Ways to overcome dimensional lock

[martixy]

Lets say we have a vault somewhere on the Material plane that's protected by force walls and a dimensional lock and physical ingress is practically impossible.

Are there ways to get inside?

Short of dispelling the Dimension lock.

Let's say in this case the force walls cannot be disintegrated and the dimension lock is permanent and cannot be dispelled or disjoined.
Does the SR offered by Dimension lock provide a way out in this case? Like can a creature with SR warp in, provided it beats the caster level check?

Are there any other ways you can think of to get inside?

Bonus question: If you have a cage made of dimension-locked areas, can you teleport/dimension door inside the volume enclosed by it?

Bonus question 2: If the Dimension lock is dispellable, but the Force walls are not disintegrateable, how obvious is the answer?

[Belzyk]

Posses a voidstone then manipulate your way through it all because voidstone isn't affected by any of that.

[Malroth]

wish can also get you inside regardless of local conditions

[Psyren]

[pedantic answer]
Rod of cancellation will punch through those walls without disintegrating them.
Disjunction will take down the lock without dispelling it.
[/pedantic answer]

Yeah, Wish and Miracle are the main ways in.

In Pathfinder, you can just break the walls down if you're strong enough. (Force is Hardness: 30 in PF, instead of Hardness: No.)

[Necroticplague]

Lets say we have a vault somewhere on the Material plane that's protected by force walls and a dimensional lock and physical ingress is practically impossible.

Are there ways to get inside?

Short of dispelling the Dimension lock.
Yes. Smash through the Wall with Disintegrate and walk in.


Let's say in this case the force walls cannot be disintegrated and the dimension lock is permanent and cannot be dispelled or disjoined.
Well, that adds quiet a bit.


Does the SR offered by Dimension lock provide a way out in this case? Like can a creature with SR warp in, provided it beats the caster level check? That's not how SR works. In this case, SR is the ability to not be the place the spell is emnating from, just like the SR for most buff spells. Which is somewhat redundant, given how the spell works.


Are there any other ways you can think of to get inside?
Wish has "Transport Travelers" on the list of safe wishes, specifically noting it's regardless of local conditions.


Bonus question: If you have a cage made of dimension-locked areas, can you teleport/dimension door inside the volume enclosed by it?
As long as the area inside the cage isn't inside the dimension lock, yep.

[martixy]

Hm, okay.

Wish/miracle, check.
Sphere of annihilation/void stone, check.
Rod of cancellation, check.

What if the dimension lock can be disjoined, but the force barrier perfectly encloses the dimension lock, so you have no line of effect or line of sight to the lock and the barrier itself cannot be taken down by any means.
On that note, Is enclosing the force barrier in an anti-magic field enough to negate sphere of annihilation and void stone?

What if it cannot even be disjoined?

Context: I'm trying to create a specific type of idiot-proof puzzle, the idiot in this case being me, the DM.

[Belzyk]

Hm, okay.

Wish/miracle, check.
Sphere of annihilation/void stone, check.
Rod of cancellation, check.

What if the dimension lock can be disjoined, but the force barrier perfectly encloses the dimension lock, so you have no line of effect or line of sight to the lock and the barrier itself cannot be taken down by any means.
On that note, Is enclosing the force barrier in an anti-magic field enough to negate sphere of annihilation and void stone?

What if it cannot even be disjoined?

Context: I'm trying to create a specific type of idiot-proof puzzle, the idiot in this case being me, the DM.

Posses a voidstone and enter it using the possessed voidstone. None of that stuff affects voidstone. Hell make a voidstone doorway figure out a way to move it in place and just walk through

[martixy]

Hm...

Here is what I found out additionally:
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?478739-Fun-with-Voidstone
Jowgen here mentions "solid positive energy", but I've been unable to find reference to such thing anywhere.
Google has literally one result for it and it is that thread.
It is an interesting idea though.

On that note, is there anything RAW, that impedes teleport(translation within a single plane), but not shifting from one plane to another?

[Âmesang]

Pass through wall of force (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/skills.htm#passthroughWallofForce) — Escape Artist (DC 120)

[ben-zayb]

Is the Wall of Force magical? If not, then animate it.


Also, the simplest, most accessible way would probably be casting a Ruby Ray of Reversal (SpC). No disintegration, of course.

[Necroticplague]

Hm...

Here is what I found out additionally:
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?478739-Fun-with-Voidstone
Jowgen here mentions "solid positive energy", but I've been unable to find reference to such thing anywhere.
Google has literally one result for it and it is that thread.
It is an interesting idea though.
Basically, it's negative enrgy that's taken it's absorbent qualities to the extreme, trying to consume other negative energy around itself until it's ended up condensed into a physical form.
It's stats are "as a sphere of annihilation, except it offers a DC 25 FORT save". It's mentioned in Manual of the Planes, as part of it's talk about the NEP.


Hm...On that note, is there anything RAW, that impedes teleport(translation within a single plane), but not shifting from one plane to another?
This question is fundementally illogical. All teleportation requires shifting planes. Even Dimension Door and Teleport are merely very short juants through the Astral.

Or, for a more explicit wording, under the Teleport subschool it says:

Teleportation is instantaneous travel through the Astral Plane. Anything that blocks astral travel also blocks teleportation.

[Inevitability]

There's an artifact sword in BovD that can slice through a Wall of Force.

[Enguebert]

Well, someone has built this vault.
And i guess this person/creature has a way to enter it.

Sometimes brute force is not the best way.
Investigate to know how the owner can enter. Steal/Duplicate this way

[Inevitability]

Well, someone has built this vault.
And i guess this person/creature has a way to enter it.

Sometimes brute force is not the best way.
Investigate to know how the owner can enter. Steal/Duplicate this way

Also, as long as someone can enter, a 10th-level Silver Key can too.

[Necroticplague]

Well, someone has built this vault.
And i guess this person/creature has a way to enter it.

Sometimes brute force is not the best way.
Investigate to know how the owner can enter. Steal/Duplicate this way


Also, as long as someone can enter, a 10th-level Silver Key can too.

This is, of course, presuming that there IS a way in intended. It's entirely possible that it was intended as a safeguard, with now way or. Or, this contrived area wasn't meant to be entered beecause it wasn't meant to keep someone out: it was made to keep something in.

[MaxiDuRaritry]

A 3rd level incantatrix can do it, assuming said incantatrix has the Selective Spell feat. Just use the Metamagic Effect ability to exclude yourself from the dimension lock's effect. Shapechanging into a wyrmling force dragon can also make you immune to force effects, explicitly allowing you to pass through any wall of force you encounter.

[Shalist]

Forceward (wiz4, SC pg 98) creates a bubble centered on you, within which force effects (walls, missiles, enemy force armor, whatever) are ignored.
Robe of Force Resistance (Book of Eldritch Might III; 100,000g) lets you pass freely through force effects.
The Magister template (Magic of Faerun) lets you pass through magical barriers 6th level and lower.

(Reiterating a few):

Force dragons, rawr!
Apparently you can hire a level 117 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?485859-OK-so-RAW-says-you-can-hire-an-epic-level-mercenary-for-12gp-a-day) mercenary warrior for 35.1g/day to help with the DC 120 escape artist check, or if your DM is being entirely unreasonable about allowable hirelings, animate object/'aid another' nanobot shenanigans.
Angelwing Razor (BoVD pg 120) is the force-cutting blade.

So if you're ever writing a fanfiction where your character is a level 117+ force dragon, who's also the Magister, and wears a Trench Coat of Force Resistance while dual-wielding scimitar-shaped Angel Razors, you're preeeetttty much set.

And a couple suggestions for the dimensional anchor affect:

'Bracers of Exit' (A&E 130; 11,200g) let you negate a dimensional anchor effect once per day.
Spells that suppress schools of magic (abjuration), various 'immune to your own AMF' shenanigans, etc., to get around the dimensional anchor.