3.5 Question

[Hunterx]

Can you be both a Warlock and. Dragon fire adept? And if so do you get the invocations of both or would they stack to figure out how and what invocations you have?

[Malroth]

You can be both but i'd strongly reccomend against it, the two do NOT stack for the purposes of damage or highest level invocations avalible so you'd be stuck with a ton of lower level Invocations and a subpar eldritch blast and Breath weapon.

[Kelb_Panthera]

Neither class has any special multiclassing rules so you'd default to the normal multiclassing rules; you'd gain the features of whichever of them you take at any given level and you'd track their invocations, breath features, and eldritch blast as two separate sets.

I.E; as a warlock 3/ dragonfire adept 3 you'd get a 2d6 eldritch blast, DR 1/Cold Iron, detect magic at will, and two least level warlock invocations from your three warlock levels and you'd get the dragontouched feat, a 2d6 breath weapon, one special breath effect, a +2 to NA from your scales, and two least level dragonfire adept invocations.

[Thurbane]

There was an ACF or feat on the WotC website that allows a Warlock to take Draconic invocations (or vice versa), but I'm struggling to find a link right now.

But yes, as above, multiclassing as a Warlock/DFA is generally not going to help you much.

[Psyren]

There was an ACF or feat on the WotC website that allows a Warlock to take Draconic invocations (or vice versa), but I'm struggling to find a link right now.

Bottom of the page (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frcc/20070613)

[Hunterx]

Saying that the least invocations will not help, you maybe very very wrong with this. It depends on what you are looking to do. The idea I have is to create what I like to call the socialist. This char will be good at everything that has to deal with bluffing, diplomacy, gathering information, handling animals, intimidating and using magic devices. So anything the is cha based and if I can change any skill to be Cha based that is even better. Since they will have a low, attack they have to be able to perform other things and bee good at it.

[ComaVision]

I'm thinking you mean something like socialite, not socialist?

[MisterKaws]

Now I really want to play as Karl Marx...

[Troacctid]

You could dip into DFA to get an extra least invocation, but with your goals, it would probably be more effective to dip into marshal instead.

[Hunterx]

Ok I know this part is going to sound nuts I know, but here goes the idea for this char is to solve most things without fighting but when he has to he will have full BAB with lots of attacks but his base attack bonus will babe 0 from his classes. The only way I know how this works is with cleric, and divine power, so the three bas classes are Warlock or DFA, cleric, and Marshal, this gives me the base social char I'm looking for, the next class will most likely be church inquisitor low requirements to get into it then it is just a series of classes to up the casting level to get divine power.

But I would like to up the abilities of the warlock or DFA if possible too.

If not then I will just be focusing on the social aspect and using those three classes as the base into eldritch deciple but would the heighten spell work to allow me into it at level 2-3 ?

[Bobby Baratheon]

If you want to solve things without fighting, diplomancy and fear effects come to mind. I strongly dislike diplomancy, but its easy enough to manage. Fear effects, on the other hand, are fun and can be done quite well without spells.

EDIT: Fear is especially pertinent to the warlock, who get a blast essence giving you a vector for starting it off. Add in the warlocks charisma (which is arguably the only stat they really need other than Dex and Con), and you've got a decent enough chassis for fear effects.

[nedz]

Bard or Beguiler are better for the socialist role - Lenin was a Rouge.

Beguiler / Warlock / Eldritch Theurge perhaps ?

As to the combat stuff, well you have minions for that.

A Bardadin would be a good compromise - or any martial bard.

[Hunterx]

The one question I did put forward was not answered dose heighten spell qualify you for early entry?

[MisterKaws]

The one question I did put forward was not answered dose heighten spell qualify you for early entry?

Here's your answer.


Spells per Day: How many spells of each spell level the character can cast each day. If the entry is “—” for a given level of spells, the character may not cast any spells of that level.

No amount of cheese, and no Sanctum Spell will let you go past this line, at least not without taking a DMG or two to the head.

[Kelb_Panthera]

The one question I did put forward was not answered dose heighten spell qualify you for early entry?

Not by itself but as part of a couple known combos, it can. MisterKaws is right about you looking at flying books for going that route unless your group is moderately high-op.

[ShurikVch]

How about the Eldritch Theurge (Dragonfire Adept/Warlock), qualified via Precocious Apprentice?

[Hunterx]

Was looking more at deciple, and was hoping that warlock 1 cleric 1 with heighten spell would count for early entry. So how to get into deciple at lv2 if it is possible. If not it will have to be three

[Malroth]

cleric 1 can qualify you if you have domain spontaneity and versatile spellcaster

[Hunterx]

Ok looking at this for the build.

Human
2 flaws

Warlock 1 Cleric 1 DFA 7 Marshal 1 Eldrich Desciple 10
This gives a Eldrich blast of 6D6
A Breath weapon of 4D6
Two breath shapes
7 invocations
Spell weaving
Lv 5 spells which is enough to get divine power for battles
Turning of an 11th level cleric.
A free Aura: Minor Aura motivate Cha
Two free feats

Feats: versatile spellcaster, domain spontaneous, negotiator, persuasive, (first 4)
Lv 3 draconic aura: presence
Lv 6 double Draconic aura: senses
Lv 9
Lv 12
Lv 15
Lv 18

Invocations: DFA: beguiling influance, see the unseen Draconic flight
Invocations: Warlock: Eldrich Glaive,

These feats not sure of yet. But maybe one to boost the blast and one to boost the breath weapon.
Any ideas.
This keeps in the theme of low combat but when needs to can pound your face in.

[Thurbane]

From memory, doesn't the Double Draconic Aura feat require character level 12?

[nedz]

From memory, doesn't the Double Draconic Aura feat require character level 12?

Yes, yes it does.

[Hunterx]

Crap could not remember thanks

Lv6 X sacred vow
Lv9 X nymphs kiss
Lv12 double dragon aura
Lv15 X
Lv18 X

Ok so that is changed now.

More social increasing feats , or maybe others.

[Gildedragon]

Move nymph's kiss to level one
Spontaneous domain caster feat is... Maybe not so needed if you opt for the "Spontaneous Domain Casting" acf from PH2