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Sebastrd
2016-05-16, 11:25 PM
I'm prepping a scenario, and I'm stumped on a motivation for my BBEG. Long story short, the party will return to their village just in time to see it burnt to the ground and the BBEG's Dragon (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheDragon) headed out of town with a crying baby. It'll set the tone and give the PC's an immediate and personal goal, especially if the kid is someone's sibling (likely).

There are some cliche motivations I could use, such as:


the kid's soul will be food to sustain bad guy's immortality
the kid is a chosen one prophesied to overthrow the bad guy
it's a Tuesday
bait to entice the party into following him
simple evil ritual human sacrifice type deal


I'd like to come up with something more creative, though. Specifically, I'm thinking some kind of Lovecraftian, cosmic horror reason. (I also considered a time travel scenario in which the kid will do something useful in the future, but that's pretty cliche, too. Then I thought perhaps the kidnappers were from the past, but that seemed pretty ridiculous.) Unfortunately, my creative juices just aren't flowing right now. Why would an evil entity want one specific baby?

Help!

RazorChain
2016-05-16, 11:41 PM
Maybe the Dragon is stealing the kid because it is the chosen one intended to overthrow the BBEG and take his place.

The Dragon intends to raise the kid as his own and overthrow the BBEG because he's really tired of doing all the dirty, menial work. Also he's looking forward to his pension and his pension plan with the BBEG doesn't look promising.

Geddy2112
2016-05-16, 11:44 PM
Your BBEG might be mortal. Living a long time or eons is not a substitute for immortality. A successor is always handy. Particularly a LE BBEG would want somebody to continue on who is part of the family, and would make sure it was the exact same as they left it after they were gone. A BBEG might not be able to sire children, or want the risk/inconvenience(particularly if they are female) so adoption to carry on the philosophical tradition is just as good as a birth. A baby is young enough to raise as your own, with no major memories of anything besides the BBEG as parent.

For Lovecraft style, cosmic horror, the baby might be a BBEG yet to grow up. Somebody who can overthrow the current BBEG. Dracula might have power, but he needs to end or control the son of Cthulhu cause he knows when he is beat.

Of course, even BBEG's are people. They might desperately want a family, and be all alone. A spare pair of hands they don't have to threaten or intimidate into being, as well as a successor, is a real motivation. I know Dracula did all of his own stunts, but it is not a requirement of the BBEG, and good help is hard to come by, easier to raise.

Mith
2016-05-16, 11:45 PM
Perhaps the baby was born under a confluence that gave it a desirable ability that the BBEG wants. perhaps the Baby would be a future PC (in a setting where PCs are markedly different then any NPC one would come across in setting) and the villain wants to shape the baby to be an enforcer.

The baby could be a changeling (as in a fae swapped out for a human child) that has potential to control a high court of the Feywild, and controlling it gives the BBEG the chance to destroy the Feywild.

Forum Explorer
2016-05-16, 11:49 PM
How about;

the baby is actually the BBEG's past self. And he is kidnapping himself to ensure that he receives the same evil training that makes him the BBEG in the first place.

Sith_Happens
2016-05-16, 11:58 PM
...To experience the miracle of parenthood?

Madbox
2016-05-17, 12:16 AM
First, an unmarked TV Tropes link? You gotta be more careful!
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tab_explosion.png

Anyways, some ideas:

Baby has unique ancestry that is somehow useful
Baby has wealthy relatives, and is held for ransom
Baby body parts needed for magic stuff
Host body for an evil spirit

Dragolord
2016-05-17, 12:17 AM
Maybe it's a relative of a paladin he killed, and he's trying to pre-empt the usual situation you get when farm boys find out that Dark Lords have killed their father.

Pex
2016-05-17, 12:26 AM
The BBEG is the true father and just wants his child back to love and raise, having nothing whatsoever to do with the BBEG's plans. The BBEG is only the villain because he's divorced from the mother at the village who bad mouthed him to all the villagers. The dragon wasn't even the one who burned the village and managed to save the baby before the house burnt down.

Or

The baby burned down the village, dominated the dragon, and was the BBEG all along.

goto124
2016-05-17, 12:29 AM
And here I am, trying to suggest baby penguins.

Coventry
2016-05-17, 12:29 AM
Will there be an even bigger, badder BBEG waiting for the party when the current one is defeated? If so, then you have a golden opportunity to set this up right now, long before the current BBEG has been dealt with.

But first, some background. Have you ever seen "A Knight's Tale"? In that movie Jocelyn really messes with William's head by giving him strange, even contradictory commands of things he should do in the next fight just to prove his love for her.

That idea can be twisted around.

So the current BBEG wants something from the future BBEG. Maybe it is "love", perhaps it is power, it could be the very last card to complete the entire set of trading cards. But the future BBEG is having fun screwing around with the current BBEG.

The current requirement on the current BBEG - go steal a human child from that village, and raise that child as if it was the current BBEG's very own flesh and blood. To succeed, the human child must not be harmed in any way, for a period of at least two weeks.

At the end of the two weeks, the current BBEG is given a different, but equally annoying "training mission" from the future BBEG. "Raise a horde of goblins", or "Set the Forest on fire", or "Build a dam across the river to keep the water from flowing downstream".

Eventually, the PCs will win. As the current BBEG dies in front of the characters, have him or her say, "do me a favor. Go kill the jerk that set me up for this. *dies*"

Any surviving minions of the current BBEG could theoretically now find themselves working for the PCs, so if there is one that made their life a living hell and never got killed, now he can join them and make their lives hell from the inside.

KillianHawkeye
2016-05-17, 12:51 AM
How about;

the baby is actually the BBEG's past self. And he is kidnapping himself to ensure that he receives the same evil training that makes him the BBEG in the first place.

Darn, you beat me to it! :smallsigh:

Gastronomie
2016-05-17, 12:54 AM
The baby is the reincarnation of a terrible entity, or a baby blessed by/affected by the raw powers of otherworldly entities. If the BBEG can educate him/her to be a brainwashed pawn, he/she may be very useful.

wobner
2016-05-17, 01:09 AM
i don't see an edition or anything mentioned, with so much homebrew in many games it probably wouldn't matter...

someone beat me to it, but reincarnation, either because reincarnation exists in the world, or as a result of a spell or failsafe. This could be a pseudo morrowind scenario where the the big bad and the baby were, in the previous life, simply friends. it wouldn't quite explain the need to kidnap him unless the bbeg fears someone coming after the baby, knowing who it is, or the soul needs to be woken up. you could have the added caveat that due to their friendship, the reincarnate knows something about the big bad that could be dangerous(where the lich lost his phylactery for example).
he may have then destroyed the village so that anyone who might have heard the child say or do something it shouldn't have, seen a birthmark, wouldn't be able to relate the information and tip anyone off.

in a similar note you could have some sort of essence that jumps from body to body as one is killed, and so it currently resides in this baby. I'm loathe to come up with an explaination for what this essence is without knowing the world and scenario, but one possible explaination is a piece of the big bad evil guy that they need to recover, like an incoporeal version of saurons one ring. more problematic could be the sword in neverwinter nights 2 that left a fragment in the child. ofcourse then you need an explaination as to why he hasn't immediately drawn whatever this essence/fragment is out, to give the players time to rescue the kid.

in both cases it is (or can be) largely random, which is nice if you want to make this one of your players siblings, since it doesn't require any special backstory connection, other than having a sibling.

Coidzor
2016-05-17, 01:15 AM
It's actually their kid, but it got kidnapped as potential leverage against them and so they killed everyone involved and everyone related to them, which just so happened to include 90% of the village's population.

Or maybe the local vicar tried to hide the marriage records or destroy them, so he shrugged and killed everybody except for the obligatory witness or two to reiterate why you don't mess with the powers that be.

Alternatively, the baby is playing host to some Daemonlord, and, well, got a little carried away before his escort to the BBEG's ball arrived.

Kid Jake
2016-05-17, 01:33 AM
His wife's been nagging him about being a mother for years but he's infertile.

VoxRationis
2016-05-17, 01:50 AM
Because he doesn't really understand how DNA works and thinks he needs the kid to make androids.

Mutazoia
2016-05-17, 02:14 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA4kxMzugNo

lacco36
2016-05-17, 02:26 AM
Let's say a knight/paladin/whoever killed his child.

He is now taking this one (the kid of the guy who killed his child) as revenge, however, he/she is also half-mad with grief and longs for company of a child.

A part of the BBEG's mind imagines that the kid will be tortured and killed in front of his parent's eyes, the second part sees his own child.

So he'll switch from "You'll see it suffer before you die!" to "Don't hurt my baby!" in seconds... :smallsmile:

JCAll
2016-05-17, 02:33 AM
The "baby" is actually the BBEG. Stop making fun of his height, guys.

Braininthejar2
2016-05-17, 05:42 AM
The mother escaped from his lab while pregnant - the child has a rare inherited template he needs for his plans.

kraftcheese
2016-05-17, 06:07 AM
Maybe it's a Rumpelstiltskin situation?

"Hey Infertile Mortal, if you PROMISE to give me the baby after [insert time period], I can give you this magic that will let you have a baby!"

Then the parents refuse to honor the deal, the BBEG takes his rightful child to raise lovingly and evilly, etc...

Millennium
2016-05-17, 10:26 AM
I like the cases where the child is in fact "rightfully" the BBEG's, because it can create interesting tension. Here are a few others:
There is a prophecy stating that this child will give birth to the BBEG anew, after he has been destroyed (e.g. Cthylla).
The child is heir to a fortune/kingdom/artifact/whatever, which the BBEG wants to control as the child's guardian (best for LE villains, but theoretically workable under any alignment if the BBEG sees this as the most expedient path).
The child is related to one of the PCs, and the BBEG wants a hostage as leverage against them. Alternatively, the child is a hostage as leverage against some other party, which then hires the PCs to help.

Gallowglass
2016-05-17, 10:39 AM
Babies are delicious

sktarq
2016-05-17, 10:43 AM
Needs an "unclaimed" and thus "pure" soul with no attachments to the outer planes to trade

For trade to a genie who wants revenge on the child's bloodline for an ancestor who bound him-infants are simply more portable.

Planing to raise the child to be a tool in their plans (general of a future planned force, assassin, bedmate, scullery maid, herald, chamberlain, coachman, etc)

The nearer the womb the sweeter the meat

A gift/reward in any of the above ways for a. Key henchman/henchwoman for their loyalty and service.

It resets the inheritance of an obscure piece of land -far far from here-to someone under his control-this land has key ritual or military potential but only if combined with BBEG's other assets.

Democratus
2016-05-17, 12:03 PM
While laying waste to the village he saw the baby and...simply loved it the moment he saw it.

Confused by his feelings but unwilling to part with the first thing that evoked such emotions in his life - he took the baby and left.

ILM
2016-05-17, 12:19 PM
Leverage against the baby's true parents, who decided it was safer for their child to be hidden among nobodies? Hell, maybe it's not even an actual baby, maybe it's the last dragon in larval form, protected by a powerful illusion created by the dying breath of its mother.

Taking a perfect baby from a perfect village in a perfect kingdom, just so he can twist him into pretzels and use him, years hence, as a lieutenant? "Look at what your child has become!"

Knaight
2016-05-17, 12:27 PM
The kid looks very similar to another child, and the BBEG wants an eventual body double to replace that other child when they're older. What they're trying to takeover this way can vary; royalty is always a fallback, but a bit trite.

Sebastrd
2016-05-17, 03:04 PM
Thank you so much folks; these are some great ideas. I definitely have some mulling and pondering to do. Woohoo!

Dalinale
2016-05-17, 03:18 PM
The baby is, in fact, the half-elven child of a extremely skilled wood elf rogue who has several hundred years under his belt. The BBG needs something stolen from a particularly well guarded area, one that is particularly skilled at disrupting his typical methods, (IE: if he's a necromancer with a slight fire theme, it's a merfolk monastery filled with clerics and minor angels under a lake of holy water), and as such he requires a skilled 'contractor' who could get the job done.

Max_Killjoy
2016-05-17, 03:30 PM
Well, there's always this, which works on at least two levels...


http://i.imgur.com/TzoC9BV.png

Segev
2016-05-17, 04:07 PM
The BBEG is able to hop bodies, but only into specific individuals born under particular conditions. This baby is one such individual, and the BBEG's current body is getting pretty old...

Vinyadan
2016-05-17, 04:18 PM
Let's see...

The BBEG was hungry, and the Dragon found that the mall was closed, so he had to improvise.

The child has potential.

The child is the rightful ruler of a country which believes in reincarnation instead of straight genealogy.

He needs a baby spleen.

The village was already destroyed. The Dragon just had a moment of humanity and collected the child.

The BBEG trains a legion of orphans, and isn't picky about how they were orphaned.

Toilet Cobra
2016-05-17, 04:23 PM
The baby is actually an old man who has been aging in reverse for almost 100 years. The villain will stop at nothing to learn the secret of his condition-- perhaps hoping to double their own lifespan or perhaps wanting to weaponise it as a deadly disease that turns grown men into children.

¬mesang
2016-05-17, 07:08 PM
Maybe it wants to raise the baby (with its mushroom pal)?

"Let's have twenty babies!"

Quertus
2016-05-17, 09:57 PM
The baby is the BBEG (hooray time travel).

The baby will be the BBEG. The BBEG can hop bodies, or is part of a collective of body snatchers, and is setting up the next BBEG.

The baby is the PC's ancestor. Hooray time travel. If the PCs attempt to stop the BBEG from sending the one PC's brother back in time, the current timeline ceases to exist.

Because the BBEG is the kid's PC brother (hooray time travel), and sent the dragon to save him from the burning village. Bonus points if, unbeknownst to the BBEG, the dragon burnt down the village in the first place.

The abduction is simply a distraction. The dragon is carrying the PC's brother 1,000 miles in the opposite direction from the BBEG's true objective.

It's all part of the BBEG's plan. Getting the child to witness his death is the final component in his epic ritual to catapult his consciousness back in time / summon the great one / whatever. Or perhaps the sooty dragon prints were the real final component to his real ritual; the other ritual is just a ruse.

Because he wanted to adopt, and this was the child his wife picked. Anything for her.

Because the Dragon wanted to adopt. And he really doesn't want to risk saying no.

Because the Dragon wants kids, and wants the BBEG to raise the perfect mate for it. And thought the baby was a girl, or is a girl itself.

Because the dragon came across the burning village, found the child, and knew that the BBEG, with his glass cane, likes investigating such anomalies.

jinjitsu
2016-05-17, 10:29 PM
Very little to contribute to this discussion, but... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keKbt3dyXhA#t=18s)

Slipperychicken
2016-05-17, 10:49 PM
I'd almost want to rip off the motivation of Brad Armstrong, from LISA: The Painful. The dragon or the BBEG would be a broken parent who adopted the child before, but it was kidnapped from him, and now the bad guy believes he must be the one to rescue the child. In this case however, that fanatical devotion to the child ultimately proves the bad guy's undoing, as it leads the heroes straight to his domain.


The BBEG is the true father and just wants his child back to love and raise


It's actually their kid, but it got kidnapped as potential leverage against them and so they killed everyone involved and everyone related to them, which just so happened to include 90% of the village's population.

I like these too.

noob
2016-05-18, 02:32 AM
The BBEG realized that the dragon was utterly stupid by excess of pride and he thinks anything else that this stupid minion will help him including a baby that can not walk or speak yet.
Anyway he is going to make of him an evil hero that will resurrect and protect good people(to weaken the planes of good) and kill evil people(to reinforce the planes of evil)
What your players were already doing this?
You should seriously shift their alignment to evil.

gatewatcher
2016-05-18, 07:55 AM
Have the other parent be just as powerful/influential as the villain and have the players be in the middle of two powerful villains both fighting for custody.

Both parents will sacrifice anything to keep their child under their care; distracting them from properly sending a force capable of stopping the players (if I had an army why wouldn't I just send it to kill the adventurers?). I like the idea that one parent isn't the "good" option.

Every stronghold is being spied on or assaulted by the other parent's forces in search of the child. Making a two way struggle the players can interact with, be surprised by a random forces, or whose plans are really a manipulation of one villain or the other as a distraction to the real plans.

The group may start to wonder if they should side with one side or need to realize that if they defeat both they have this innocent baby that will need a home somewhere.

Segev
2016-05-18, 08:18 AM
The BBEG didn't kidnap the baby. Neither did the dragon. The baby thought the dragon looked cool and followed him. Can you help the baby's faithful (but overly put-upon) dog rescue her before circumstances stop serendipitously sparing her from the hazards she encounters as she blithely follows the dragon back to the BBEG's lair?

Max_Killjoy
2016-05-18, 09:02 AM
The BBEG didn't kidnap the baby. Neither did the dragon. The baby thought the dragon looked cool and followed him. Can you help the baby's faithful (but overly put-upon) dog rescue her before circumstances stop serendipitously sparing her from the hazards she encounters as she blithely follows the dragon back to the BBEG's lair?

Why does that sound so familiar (https://youtu.be/CWnWwN1z_UM?t=47s)... :smallbiggrin:

khadgar567
2016-05-18, 09:06 AM
Red Fel Red Fel Red Fel he will show you darken path

obryn
2016-05-18, 09:32 AM
A sacrifice or whatever is the least interesting reason. "Chosen one to defeat me" is the second least interesting reason.

Some good suggestions above; I think real human motivations where he might not see himself as a bad guy are probably the most interesting.

Flickerdart
2016-05-18, 09:35 AM
Babies are fun! They're cute and you can pinch their cheeks and dress them up in adorable outfits.

Babies are most fun when they're someone else's babies, though - so as soon as the kid poops his diaper or vomits on the BBEG, he's going headfirst out the window.

khadgar567
2016-05-18, 09:40 AM
Babies are fun! They're cute and you can pinch their cheeks and dress them up in adorable outfits.

Babies are most fun when they're someone else's babies, though - so as soon as the kid poops his diaper or vomits on the BBEG, he's going headfirst out the window.

how about crying fit in middle of strategic war meeting?:biggrin::tongue:

Templarkommando
2016-05-18, 09:42 AM
A few possible suggestions:

- The baby is actually the incarnation of some dark and evil deity (you said something Lovecraftian, and that's the best I could do in that department on short notice).
- The baby is a tool for leverage. Either a hostage to keep someone in line, a bargaining chip to acquire some McGuffin which will empower the villains or end the world.
- The baby is the heir to a noble title of some sort and the dragon intends to raise the child with the intention of playing the part of puppet master later on.
- The dragon made an agreement with someone years ago - something of great value to the dragon in exchange for a service. This service was never fulfilled, but the second party is living with the benefits of a half-fulfilled agreement. To avenge himself, the dragon has stolen the second party's most valuable treasure: Their child.
- The baby is the last living member of a dynasty that holds sole claim to the Empire. If the baby does not survive, the Empire will be plunged into a civil war which will drag on for years over who inherits the crown and the question of who caused the baby's death. The BBEG intends to frame several other high-placed persons for killing the child.

Segev
2016-05-18, 09:47 AM
The BBEG actually uses children as soldiers in his legions of doom. Sure, they're weak, but he arms them with magical weapons, and they're malleable enough to acquiesce to authority unquestioningly. Raised to obedience, they're disposable and do what they're told, even unto death. He just needs to keep...replacing them. So he doesn't slaughter the children of villages he raids; he conscripts them.

Slipperychicken
2016-05-18, 10:16 AM
The BBEG actually uses children as soldiers in his legions of doom. Sure, they're weak, but he arms them with magical weapons, and they're malleable enough to acquiesce to authority unquestioningly. Raised to obedience, they're disposable and do what they're told, even unto death. He just needs to keep...replacing them. So he doesn't slaughter the children of villages he raids; he conscripts them.

So we have an army of child soldiers, all armed with Kalashnikov's Reliable Rifle?

khadgar567
2016-05-18, 10:27 AM
So we have an army of child soldiers, all armed with Kalashnikov's Reliable Rifle?

sounds like metal gear solid raiden edition to me

sktarq
2016-05-18, 10:34 AM
The dragon takes a souvenir from almost every raid-this one is only notable in being alive at the time (for variety as much as anything)

Kantaki
2016-05-18, 11:03 AM
The BBEG/the Dragon is the child's uncle and wants to take care of his last living relative after some other party destroyed the village.

Segev
2016-05-18, 11:15 AM
So we have an army of child soldiers, all armed with Kalashnikov's Reliable Rifle?


sounds like metal gear solid raiden edition to me

I was more thinking that ten billion years' time is so fragile, so ephemeral... it arouses such a bittersweet, almost heartbreaking fondness.

Now and Then, Here and There is a good, but not exactly uplifting, anime.

AceOfFools
2016-05-18, 11:24 AM
The BBEG is upset with their dragon and forcing them to, personally, care for a baby as a punishment. Change their diapers, the works.

Maybe that will teach the fool some responsibility.

Being upset at this inane and distracting order, the Dragon destroyed their child's hometown out of spite.

Elderand
2016-05-18, 12:10 PM
The BBEG is feeling her biological clock ticking and thought it would be a good time to start a family now that her evil empire is established and stable.

TheThan
2016-05-18, 02:00 PM
...To experience the miracle of parenthood?

Kinda what i was thinking, only more like 'BBEG needs an heir'.

Feddlefew
2016-05-18, 02:40 PM
The village was actually a front for an evil doomsday cult a la Insmouth. BBEG had Dragon raze village to save the world because his Evil Plan requires that the material plane is invaded by cult's elder god. Dragon snatches the only non-elderspawn being for miles off sacrificial alter during flyby.

Later, BBEG collects a generous reward from [VERY WEALTHY MERCHANT] for rescuing missing grandchild, gains enough good publicity in [MAJOR CITY] to cause problems for PCs.

Lvl 2 Expert
2016-05-18, 02:53 PM
The BBEG's warlock/sorcerer/bard (that's multiclass slashes, not "one of those options" slashes) has determined this kid has the right blood type, zodiac sign and draconic heritage to be used as a new body for the BBEG. He was a little bummed at first the child is a girl, but he's sure he'll get used to the idea in the 14 years the kid will be kept at the castle, brainwashed into not escaping, trained in the darkest of dark arts and pierced with large meat hooks daily (except on Thursdays) as part of the body switching ritual.

Either that, or it was time for breakfast, but you won't know which one it was until 14 years from now.

xkaliburr
2016-05-18, 03:30 PM
Have you ever seen Law & Order: Special Victims Unit? There are dozens of reasons to abduct a child. I will give some of the more Safe for Family reasons, but there is stuff that will truly make your skin crawl, and make your BBEG the most evil the party would ever face.

1.) The BBEG lost a child of his own, and is convinced this is his own lost child. It may or may not be.

2.) The PC has something he wants (an artifact, a special skill), and this is a bargaining chip. Bonus points if the act is mega evil, and your PC is a paladin.

3.) The BBEG was playing a game, and lost track of reality. The baby is the princess he was protecting in the game. (As video games aren't a thing in D&D, could be a holodeck- style illusion room)

And then of course there are the Chris Hanson reasons.

Kantaki
2016-05-18, 03:37 PM
The Big Bad is training the Dragon as his successor.
Part of this process is that the Dragon has to abduct a child and rise and train it as his own right hand and successor.
Just as the Big Bad did with him when he was still the former Big Badís Dragon, just as that guy did when they were the Dragon and so on and so on...

FocusWolf413
2016-05-18, 03:58 PM
The BBEG is evil for a reason. Maybe he feels what he's doing is right. Maybe he wants to make a brighter future for the world. Maybe he just wants to help out his local community.

But, really, none of it matters if he can't be a person. His determination will waver if he doesn't have a reminder of what he's fighting for. After a long day of hard work, after a day that shook him and made him question whether his path was truly good and just, he needs to go home and see his daughter's smile.

He can't fight without someone to fight for. He can't bust his a** without someone to live for. He can't risk damning himself for eternity without someone to die for.

Why is this man with a child the BBEG?

He's willing to turn the world upside down to make it right for her. (https://youtu.be/vjMN6zSVFQg)

Gildedragon
2016-05-18, 04:08 PM
I'm prepping a scenario, and I'm stumped on a motivation for my BBEG. Long story short, the party will return to their village just in time to see it burnt to the ground and the BBEG's Dragon (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheDragon) headed out of town with a crying baby. It'll set the tone and give the PC's an immediate and personal goal, especially if the kid is someone's sibling (likely).

There are some cliche motivations I could use, such as:


the kid's soul will be food to sustain bad guy's immortality
the kid is a chosen one prophesied to overthrow the bad guy
it's a Tuesday
bait to entice the party into following him
simple evil ritual human sacrifice type deal


I'd like to come up with something more creative, though. Specifically, I'm thinking some kind of Lovecraftian, cosmic horror reason. (I also considered a time travel scenario in which the kid will do something useful in the future, but that's pretty cliche, too. Then I thought perhaps the kidnappers were from the past, but that seemed pretty ridiculous.) Unfortunately, my creative juices just aren't flowing right now. Why would an evil entity want one specific baby?

Help!

BBEG is immortal and has grown wistful and dissatisfied. A child, an heir of sorts, is a project to entertain him for some time.
The child is his: either he is the father OR the parents traded him (rapunzel style) and he's come to collect

BBEG has kidnapped a past version of himself to secure him growing up into who he is now.

Lvl 2 Expert
2016-05-18, 04:16 PM
The Big Bad is training the Dragon as his successor.
Part of this process is that the Dragon has to abduct a child and rise and train it as his own right hand and successor.
Just as the Big Bad did with him when he was still the former Big Badís Dragon, just as that guy did when they were the Dragon and so on and so on...

Oooh, I like that. The one thing the heir option in general lacked was an explanation for why the kid would go along with it. But who needs a reason when you've got precedent? As before, so after.

TheThan
2016-05-18, 05:31 PM
Have you ever seen Law & Order: Special Victims Unit? There are dozens of reasons to abduct a child. I will give some of the more Safe for Family reasons, but there is stuff that will truly make your skin crawl, and make your BBEG the most evil the party would ever face.

1.) The BBEG lost a child of his own, and is convinced this is his own lost child. It may or may not be.



For extra tragedy and a dose of insanity; make the event that caused the BBEG to lose his child happen many years ago.

The Glyphstone
2016-05-18, 05:45 PM
In the last fight he had with a would-be hero, a piece of his armor was damaged and he needs to replace it:

http://i.imgur.com/0595kp4.gif

¬mesang
2016-05-18, 06:29 PM
Why is this man with a child the BBEG?

He's willing to turn the world upside down to make it right for her. (https://youtu.be/vjMN6zSVFQg)
Darn. :smalltongue: My first thought upon reading that line was Raphael Sorel from SoulCalibur.

GAZ
2016-05-18, 10:15 PM
Only the seventh son of the seventh son, born under the light of the full moon can blah blah blah whatever the BBEG's plan is. Open a portal to the lower planes, summon an arch-fiend, bring about the return of the rakshasas or the chromatic dragons, be a vessel for the BBEG's undying spirit of evil possession, etc.

The kid is actually the BBEG's legitimate child, stolen away long ago by the (dead or captive) good parent's family and kept hidden and safe, until now.

Baby flesh or baby blood is some kind of vile spell component or tasty snack.

All babies get captured and raised as indoctrinated members of the BBEG's cult. Possibly serving as human shields.

Plenty of other good answers upthread.

FocusWolf413
2016-05-18, 10:45 PM
Darn. :smalltongue: My first thought upon reading that line was Raphael Sorel from SoulCalibur.

Did you listen to the song? It pretty much perfectly describes what I was saying. It's about dedicating every day to making a better world for your child. Is there a more pure goal? Is there anything else that can so easily and innocently drive someone down the path of darkness, convinced they're right with every step?

Inevitability
2016-05-19, 02:56 AM
The BBEG is the baby. He's from the future and has returned to the past to (amongst other things) find his infant self. This may be for several reasons:

1. The BBEG simply wants to keep baby!BBEG secure, fearing his actions may result in its death and his nonexistence.
2. The BBEG will perform an eldritch ritual that slays his infant self but protects him from the consequences, allowing him to become an individual bound to no particular timeline.
3. The BBEG is horrified by his actions and is planning to never make his infant self experience the things that drove him to evil. The moment he succeeds, he'll disappear into nothingness.

Shackel
2016-05-19, 09:52 AM
I'll chip in with the baby is the BBEG itself, but go further and say that the BBEG is not just from the future, but has been planning on making himself a transcendent entity that is detached from time. This is the final part of the ritual, creating something akin to a phylactery, but, instead of an item, it's a moment in time, leaving only people on his level of power able to stop him in the first place.

The moment where he kills his mortal self, thus causing a paradox fully detaching him from the timestream and leaving him invincible, where he can safely take over the world and everything beyond.

Ruslan
2016-05-19, 11:11 AM
Maybe the Dragon is stealing the kid because it is the chosen one intended to overthrow the BBEG and take his place.

The Dragon intends to raise the kid as his own and overthrow the BBEG because he's really tired of doing all the dirty, menial work. Also he's looking forward to his pension and his pension plan with the BBEG doesn't look promising.In a twist, it's actually the wrong chosen one. The real chosen one was well-hidden by the village elders, and ends up being raised by dire wolves.

Segev
2016-05-19, 11:21 AM
In a twist, it's actually the wrong chosen one. The real chosen one was well-hidden by the village elders, and ends up being raised by dire wolves.

Which of course means that the BBEG is a rakshasa who fears fire.

Tiktakkat
2016-05-19, 11:45 AM
The baby is the great-great-grandchild of the dragon.
The village is burning because the baby manifested some draconic/sorcerous powers and the villagers tried to burn the baby as a witch.
The dragon flew in to save his descendent.
The dragon isn't particularly evil, for a dragon, though the BBEG is thoroughly unpleasant, and will easily convince the dragon that the PCs are trying to rescues the baby so the villagers can finish it off, which will thoroughly enrage the dragon and drive him to acts of extreme evil in vengeance.
The dragon will not turn on the BBEG, but the PCs might be able to convince him to simply leave with the baby. Threats will not work, but a polite request will. This will however mean some other village gets a dragon moving in next door, and the baby will be raised by the dragon.
The villagers of course will want "revenge" on the dragon even though they are the ones who burned down their village. They will accuse the PCs of working with the dragon if the PCs refuse to just kill the dragon and return the baby for "justice".

Beleriphon
2016-05-19, 06:02 PM
I'm prepping a scenario, and I'm stumped on a motivation for my BBEG. Long story short, the party will return to their village just in time to see it burnt to the ground and the BBEG's Dragon (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheDragon) headed out of town with a crying baby. It'll set the tone and give the PC's an immediate and personal goal, especially if the kid is someone's sibling (likely).

There are some cliche motivations I could use, such as:


the kid's soul will be food to sustain bad guy's immortality
the kid is a chosen one prophesied to overthrow the bad guy
it's a Tuesday
bait to entice the party into following him
simple evil ritual human sacrifice type deal


I'd like to come up with something more creative, though. Specifically, I'm thinking some kind of Lovecraftian, cosmic horror reason. (I also considered a time travel scenario in which the kid will do something useful in the future, but that's pretty cliche, too. Then I thought perhaps the kidnappers were from the past, but that seemed pretty ridiculous.) Unfortunately, my creative juices just aren't flowing right now. Why would an evil entity want one specific baby?

Help!

Because in addition to being evil the bad guy is lonely and really just wants a child. I mean look at people that steal babies from hospitals. Mind you they tend not to burn the hospital to the ground in the process, but still.

veti
2016-05-19, 11:11 PM
After torching the village and murdering everyone in it, the Dragon heard a plaintive voice crying from one of the smouldering huts.

Investigating, he found a baby. The baby looked up at him - and smiled.

Not even the most hardened heart is proof against the smile of a baby. It's a long time since anyone - anyone innocent, at least - smiled at the Dragon. Normally he gets sneers and glares from his boss, terrified grimaces from underlings and peasants. The sheer trusting innocence of the child touched his heart, and he resolved that this baby, at least, would not be punished for her village's misfortune/crime/whatever.

(Because who says everything the villain does needs to be "sinister"?)

Lvl 2 Expert
2016-05-20, 12:24 AM
The village is burning because the baby manifested some draconic/sorcerous powers and the villagers tried to burn the baby as a witch.
The dragon flew in to save his descendent.

Most of us read that as the tvtropes definition of "the dragon", the main villains right hand (wo)man. But especially in d&d an actual dragon works as well... :smallwink:

goto124
2016-05-20, 01:49 AM
I read that as a literal dragon! D:

Segev
2016-05-20, 08:22 AM
Hey, the BBEG could have a literal dragon as his Dragon. I mean, are YOU going to argue with EITHER of them about such an arrangement?

eru001
2016-05-20, 08:27 AM
Back when he was younger the BBEG fell in love with a young woman in the village. After he left she settled down with a nice young man and they had a baby, but in the devistating attack, due to spells/gunfire/out of control minions the woman was killed. The BBEG as evil as he is still has feelings for his old flame, and will protect her child.

Tiktakkat
2016-05-20, 10:33 AM
Most of us read that as the tvtropes definition of "the dragon", the main villains right hand (wo)man. But especially in d&d an actual dragon works as well... :smallwink:

I did not notice the hyperlink underlining. :smalltongue:

And yes, a real dragon is way more fun. :smallbiggrin:

If not, same story, just give the baby a birthmark or the like that indicates a connection. :smallcool:

Sebastrd
2016-05-20, 11:34 AM
Thanks again for all of the ideas. The gaming community is always so generous and ready to help; it's a quality that too often goes unnoticed. I've nailed down exactly what I plan to do, based on the ideas here and at a couple other forums along with some material shamelessly borrowed from Lovecraft's "Azathoth" and a couple other places. For those that are interested, here's what I've decided to go with:

Before age fell upon the world; when grey cities rose under smoky skies;
Before the sunlight pierced the shadow; when twisted phantoms walked the earth;
Before vain life and futile hope; within the depths outside of time;
There sleeps the Thing Within the Void.

The village of Aisa's Crescent is home to a secret society called the Sentinels of the Silver Choir. The Sentinels are an ancient order sworn to prevent the release of the Thing Within the Void (Atropus, from Elder Evils) from its extraplanar resting place. In ages past a lunatic cult worshiped the Thing from their temple fortress, which sunk into a crescent-shaped ravine that opened in the earth below it (The Sunless Citadel, heavily modified). The Sentinels guard the secret of that ancient fortress, through which the Thing might be unleashed upon our world.

As the campaign opens, the PCs, young residents of Aisa's Crescent whose parents are all members of the Sentinels, are about to be inducted into the order. Their initiation will involve spending the night on the shores of the enigmatic Grimpond, where they will each receive a vision in their dreams - either past, present, or future. One PC is a half-elf, and is the half-brother of another PC playing a high-elf. One of them will receive a vision of the very immediate future - the sight of Aisa's Crescent burning, followed by a figure in black marked with a strange symbol (a blackguard). The vision will end as the figure in black turns to look over his shoulder and briefly reveals the face of the PCs' mother.

Upon the party's return to Aisa's Crescent, they will find the scene from the PC's vision unfolding. Above the din of the raging fire they will distinctly hear the sound of a bawling infant - the PCs' baby sister. The figure in black, on horseback, will be accompanied by a group of very large, cloaked humanoids (ogres). Perception checks can reveal the mother's face as she briefly looks over her shoulder, the nature of the large humanoids, and a gemstone pendant on a chain/string around the neck of the lead ogre (a hag's eye).

The mother works for a coven of hags. The eldest hag is nearing the end of her life, and they need the child to either extend the hag's life or replace her. The mother might secretly be a hagspawn, but definitely has her own agenda and serves the hags only temporarily.

The PCs will now be faced with the prospect of either resigning the baby to her fate or leaving the Sunless Citadel unguarded.

Max_Killjoy
2016-05-20, 02:47 PM
Yeah, when someone says "dragon", I don't think of some TV Tropes nonsense.

Gizmogidget
2016-05-20, 02:55 PM
If the BBEG is human, he/she may just simply want a child. Just because ones alignment says Chaotic Evil, Lawful Evil, or Neutral Evil doesn't mean you can't care about someone. Perhaps the BBEG is infertile and has been refused adoption so he stole the child.

This doesn't apply if the being is pure evil such as demons because they don't have room for compassion in their hearts.

Inevitability
2016-05-20, 02:58 PM
This doesn't apply if the being is pure evil such as demons because they don't have room for compassion in their hearts.

False. As long as we're talking D&D (and it seems we are) demons can still feel compassion. There's several examples of demons who have ascended to Good (or at least Neutrality), and even bog-standard evil demons can feel compassion. A demon can experience love, hate, curiosity, grief... why shouldn't they be able to be compassionate?

Demidos
2016-05-20, 03:44 PM
He's getting old and preparing to train the child so he can jump his consciousness to its body when it grows older.

Gray Mage
2016-05-20, 03:45 PM
The BBEG wants to unleash a Lovecraftian horror upon the world to end it all (elder evil style). The Dragon, while loyal to the BBEG doesn't want the world to end and hopes that the child, who resembles the BBEG's dead son/daughter would convince the BBEG to stop (and maybe stick to non world ending evil plots).

Knaight
2016-05-20, 04:12 PM
Yeah, when someone says "dragon", I don't think of some TV Tropes nonsense.

The use of the term "dragon" as a descriptor for an incredibly dangerous person didn't originate on TV Tropes, as the numerous honorary titles to the effect of "The dragon of [location]" indicate. Plus, the particular trope here wherein an antagonist leader has as their right hand man someone who isn't as much a leader but is extremely personally dangerous sees wide use. It isn't one of the nonsense tropes that just list every time someone in an action movie has a firearm or similar.

Gizmogidget
2016-05-21, 05:58 PM
Nevermind, yeah you are right but the language gets kind of confusing because while there are exceptions in many sourcebooks it appears they are manifestations of evil, as in the 5e PHB they state that a demon cannot exist without being chaotic evil. But really it depends on how you want to run your game. However I would argue that in most instances the demon/ devil wouldn't want to raise a child unless it was their own or they had some nefarious purpose behind it.

Max_Killjoy
2016-05-21, 07:56 PM
Nevermind, yeah you are right but the language gets kind of confusing because while there are exceptions in many sourcebooks it appears they are manifestations of evil, as in the 5e PHB they state that a demon cannot exist without being chaotic evil. But really it depends on how you want to run your game. However I would argue that in most instances the demon/ devil wouldn't want to raise a child unless it was their own or they had some nefarious purpose behind it.

Frankly I have so little regard for the notion of inherently good or evil "species", and the notion of good and evil (or law and chaos) as overarching supernatural forces, that I say someone should run their game however they want (I'd say that over all, but particularly in this regard).

Arutema
2016-05-21, 08:11 PM
The BBEG in fact died shortly before the baby's conception/birth.

His lieutenant has been searching for the child which has the right eyes/hair/birthmarks that mark him as his master reborn.

And he has just found him.

Coidzor
2016-05-21, 11:19 PM
Frankly I have so little regard for the notion of inherently good or evil "species", and the notion of good and evil (or law and chaos) as overarching supernatural forces, that I say someone should run their game however they want (I'd say that over all, but particularly in this regard).

I mean, one could always just not use literal demons if one doesn't want supernatural evil.

somethingrandom
2016-05-22, 05:49 AM
Sorry if someone has already suggested this but I am to lazy to read all the evious suggestions

Perhaps it is prophesied that the baby would grow up to be someone who's help will be essentail to the BBEG's plans but if he remained with his parents was fated to die in an accident long before then.

The reason the dragon burn down his village is that when dragon's try to take baby's from villages without burning them down people tend to attack them and while getting stabed and shot is not particularly dangerous for a dragon is is annoying.

Coidzor
2016-05-22, 07:14 AM
The baby is the chosen one for some other dark lord's prophesied downfall, and the BBEG wants to prevent the other bad guy from circumventing things while also lulling them into a false sense of security.

Max_Killjoy
2016-05-22, 09:32 AM
The baby is the chosen one for some other dark lord's prophesied downfall, and the BBEG wants to prevent the other bad guy from circumventing things while also lulling them into a false sense of security.


You know, for a certain sort of story, there's something rather amusing about the idea of big-bads trying to aim "chosen ones" at each other...

Lvl 2 Expert
2016-05-22, 09:59 AM
That's the worst kind of genre savvyness. Be extremely careful with that BBEG.

Logosloki
2016-05-22, 10:04 AM
Because it is Monday. Bonus points if the BBEG manages to add to a monologue. Double Bonus points if Monday doesn't exist in your setting.

The BBEG heard mention of Baby-back ribs and took it literally.

The BBEG likes the way they crunch.

The BBEG is a bit of an audiophile and was after a sound needed for an art piece they were coming up with and a baby rolling down the stairs might just do the trick.

They are new to the job and just blurted out that they will take a baby. They spent the rest of the day sitting in their private castle wondering why they said that.

The League of BBEGs has a betting pool going on who can get the most babies and keep them alive for the longest. These pools are mutually exclusive.

They actually run an adoption service. They take the excess sons and daughters from one plane and distribute them to other planes. They don't ask any questions of whom adopts the children and sometimes allow people to take them in bulk.

The Baby is actually a heroic Benjamin Button. They are getting sweet revenge.

The BBEG is a fairytale BBEG and is stuck by convention. They can stop any time they like.

Cealocanth
2016-05-24, 12:06 AM
How about this one? The BBEG has pieced together that the baby is actually the child of the prince, not the man commonly believed to be his father. If he can kidnap the child before people think he's important, indoctrinate him to be a puppet of the BBEG, and then kill off the royal family, he will effectively be king. It's a ploy for power, which a lot of folks tend to want.

RazorChain
2016-05-24, 03:29 AM
Or maybe the BBEG is a big bad evil GIRL....and that biological clock is ticking!!!

Logosloki
2016-05-24, 08:10 AM
Or maybe the BBEG is a big bad evil GIRL....and that biological clock is ticking!!!

Or maybe the baby is her step great-grandson and she will live out a life trying to get him to love her even though everything she does just pushes him away from her and into the arms of his birth mother, who was prophesied to break a great curse that the BBEG put on the land?

NRSASD
2016-05-24, 11:48 AM
I can't shake the idea that the baby was picked up by accident. BBEG comes in and razes the village, storms off with her troops, then hears a crying sound from her backpack. "How in the Nine Hells did that get in there?"

Segev
2016-05-24, 12:50 PM
Maybe it's a female BBEG, and rather than biological clocks ticking, she's an elf or other long-lived race, and is sick and tired of all the flawed potential mates she's met. So she's going to raise her own from scratch, choosing a shorter-lived race (like humans) to do it. By the time he's old enough to be a boyfriend, she'll still be in the early portion of her prime.

A gender-inverted form of "wife husbandry."

Why that particular baby? Maybe she likes what she sees in the family's adult members.

Inevitability
2016-05-24, 01:03 PM
Maybe it's a female BBEG, and rather than biological clocks ticking, she's an elf or other long-lived race, and is sick and tired of all the flawed potential mates she's met. So she's going to raise her own from scratch, choosing a shorter-lived race (like humans) to do it. By the time he's old enough to be a boyfriend, she'll still be in the early portion of her prime.

A gender-inverted form of "wife husbandry."

Why that particular baby? Maybe she likes what she sees in the family's adult members.

This is disturbing on several levels. Well done, sir.

bulbaquil
2016-05-24, 03:24 PM
Because the BBEG is neither immortal nor seeking immortality, and has just found out that he is... infertile. Not wanting to broadcast this fact - it would be rather embarrassing for his Evil Empire - he has sent the Dragon to retrieve a baby. Why the Dragon? Because he's already sent the Dragon to oversee the massacre of the village, of course! Why not?

Temperjoke
2016-05-24, 04:16 PM
Thanks again for all of the ideas. The gaming community is always so generous and ready to help; it's a quality that too often goes unnoticed. I've nailed down exactly what I plan to do, based on the ideas here and at a couple other forums along with some material shamelessly borrowed from Lovecraft's "Azathoth" and a couple other places. For those that are interested, here's what I've decided to go with:

Before age fell upon the world; when grey cities rose under smoky skies;
Before the sunlight pierced the shadow; when twisted phantoms walked the earth;
Before vain life and futile hope; within the depths outside of time;
There sleeps the Thing Within the Void.

The village of Aisa's Crescent is home to a secret society called the Sentinels of the Silver Choir. The Sentinels are an ancient order sworn to prevent the release of the Thing Within the Void (Atropus, from Elder Evils) from its extraplanar resting place. In ages past a lunatic cult worshiped the Thing from their temple fortress, which sunk into a crescent-shaped ravine that opened in the earth below it (The Sunless Citadel, heavily modified). The Sentinels guard the secret of that ancient fortress, through which the Thing might be unleashed upon our world.

As the campaign opens, the PCs, young residents of Aisa's Crescent whose parents are all members of the Sentinels, are about to be inducted into the order. Their initiation will involve spending the night on the shores of the enigmatic Grimpond, where they will each receive a vision in their dreams - either past, present, or future. One PC is a half-elf, and is the half-brother of another PC playing a high-elf. One of them will receive a vision of the very immediate future - the sight of Aisa's Crescent burning, followed by a figure in black marked with a strange symbol (a blackguard). The vision will end as the figure in black turns to look over his shoulder and briefly reveals the face of the PCs' mother.

Upon the party's return to Aisa's Crescent, they will find the scene from the PC's vision unfolding. Above the din of the raging fire they will distinctly hear the sound of a bawling infant - the PCs' baby sister. The figure in black, on horseback, will be accompanied by a group of very large, cloaked humanoids (ogres). Perception checks can reveal the mother's face as she briefly looks over her shoulder, the nature of the large humanoids, and a gemstone pendant on a chain/string around the neck of the lead ogre (a hag's eye).

The mother works for a coven of hags. The eldest hag is nearing the end of her life, and they need the child to either extend the hag's life or replace her. The mother might secretly be a hagspawn, but definitely has her own agenda and serves the hags only temporarily.

The PCs will now be faced with the prospect of either resigning the baby to her fate or leaving the Sunless Citadel unguarded.

I like the idea of the baby being the scion of a carefully guided bloodline, who's ancestors all had their marriages carefully arranged in order to result in a child that was descended from all the original guardians, and as a result of that blood link, will provide the strongest sacrifice for those original guardians' enemy, and unlock the ancient seal.

Braininthejar2
2016-05-25, 04:52 PM
A situation from my own campaign - the queen was corrupted by an incubus (nothing personal, she used to be religiously devout, and it messed up his business in the realm, so he decided to 'change her mind') and found with a child.

The king couldn't broadcast the fact that his wife was unfaithful, and an alu-fiend heir to the throne would be a disaster - but he considered the baby "innocent until proven otherwise". So, after the queen died in childbirth, the baby was switched by the player (his wizard advisor) - an ordinary human child is growing up in court, as the king's official daughter (the wizard used some advanced alchemy bordering on grafts to shift her blood type to match the king, effectively making her "royal blood")

Meantime, a strange woman somewhere in the contryside, who aready had a bunch of really weird children from her own mishaps, has just been entrusted an extra one, with no explanation of who it is. (both a potential heiress to the throne, and a child of an unusually powerful incubus - which might make her blood very valuable for evil summoners - both are good reasons to keep her heritage secret).

Cluedrew
2016-05-25, 09:05 PM
This is disturbing on several levels. Well done, sir.Funny how in this context "disturbing" is a seal of approval. I had this "that's kind of twisted... Oh Right" moment while reading it. It is not overly evil but has a tinge of something messed up underneath.

Segev
2016-05-25, 10:23 PM
This is disturbing on several levels. Well done, sir.


Funny how in this context "disturbing" is a seal of approval. I had this "that's kind of twisted... Oh Right" moment while reading it. It is not overly evil but has a tinge of something messed up underneath.

Thanks! Sometimes "unsettling" is more effective than out-and-out "horrifying" or "vile" at making a villain "click."


This isn't quite the same thing, but consider the following question: who would you more like to see get their comeuppance - Voldemort, or Dolores Umbrage?

Coidzor
2016-05-26, 12:27 AM
I can't shake the idea that the baby was picked up by accident. BBEG comes in and razes the village, storms off with her troops, then hears a crying sound from her backpack. "How in the Nine Hells did that get in there?"

Throw in some inventory management and other Ultima jokes and you've got a deal.


I like the idea of the baby being the scion of a carefully guided bloodline, who's ancestors all had their marriages carefully arranged in order to result in a child that was descended from all the original guardians, and as a result of that blood link, will provide the strongest sacrifice for those original guardians' enemy, and unlock the ancient seal.

And maybe can permanently seal things as an incentive to not commit infanticide.

Or they need to get that baby back and make sure it goes on to have kids in order to keep the seals intact since other than the baby most of the bloodlines just died out that day


Thanks! Sometimes "unsettling" is more effective than out-and-out "horrifying" or "vile" at making a villain "click."


This isn't quite the same thing, but consider the following question: who would you more like to see get their comeuppance - Voldemort, or Dolores Umbrage?

And not just because Umbridge is the only human between them.

Scaleybob
2016-05-26, 01:41 AM
A few ideas:

Lunch

The BBEG isn't entirely evil, they rescue children from the destruction they cause, and raise them in an orphanarium in their lair.

The BBEG is horribly evil, and bind demons into the baby, so that when it's rescued it the demon bursts out to attack the characters.
(Variant- the BBEG is a shaman, and binds their fetch into the baby.)

Evil magic makes the BBEG impotent, and they need an heir.

Who doesn't like baby pie?

The BBEG is a keen Eugenicist, and is collecting certain children for the traits the families have.

Apologies if any ones suggested thses already.

zebaroth
2016-05-26, 02:25 AM
he is the farether of the baby and wants it to bring it up in a bad evil upbringing to become the next dark lord after he is drfeeted

khadgar567
2016-05-28, 02:41 AM
how about baby being big bad using his future self to kidnap himself so he can continue his plan