Steven Univ3rse: The Great and Lovable Thread

[Manga Shoggoth]

This is the thread for discussing Rebecca Sugar's show about a conspiracy of sapient space rocks who take over America. Sneeple may be involved.

Keep Beach City weird!

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Threads:

Steven Universe (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?326097-Steven-Universe)
Steven 2niverse: Made of Love (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?429815-Steven-2niverse-Made-of-Love)
Steven Univ3rse: The Great and Lovable Thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?489590-Steven-Univ3rse-The-Great-and-Lovable-Thread)

[Ninja_Prawn]

Woooo! New thread!

So, something we may not have considered about Jasper recently:
Was she sent on Peridot's mission to Earth as some kind of penance in the first place? I get the feeling like she was all "ugh, this is so beneath me" until she realised Rose Quartz was still in play.

If so, what does that tell us about Yellow Diamond's disposition towards her now?

[Manga Shoggoth]

So, something we may not have considered about Jasper recently:
Was she sent on Peridot's mission to Earth as some kind of penance in the first place? I get the feeling like she was all "ugh, this is so beneath me" until she realised Rose Quartz was still in play.

If so, what does that tell us about Yellow Diamond's disposition towards her now?

Jasper definitely didn't want to be there, but I think it was more that she thought her presence was unnecessary. Peridot's comment during the exchange was along the lines of "now do you believe I needed an escort". Jasper was still pretty uninterested until she saw Rose Quartz's shield.

I think Yellow Diamond suspected that some of the Crystal Gems may have survived whatever happened and wasn't taking any chances. Jasper, on the other hand, thought they were all dead.

[Admiral Squish]

New thread! Tagged.

A possibility has occurred to me about Jasper's fate. I still hope she gets redeemed, but there's a horrible possibility I hadn't considered until just now. What if Jasper gets shattered? They could even start a Jasper redemption arc before it happens, if they want to twist the knife. I'm imagining the gems finding Jasper at the same time Yellow Diamond's forces do, and hiding nearby. Jasper tries to explain herself, but YD is not forgiving, and orders her shattered. This would be the first time Steven actually sees a gem shattered, his first real, permanent failure to save someone. It would likely cement YD as a monster in his mind, not someone that can be reasoned with or shown a better way or loved into submission like other challenges he's faced. Or it could be setting up a moment of heroic mercy later, where he and the gems stand triumphant over YD and, rather than shattering her like she's shattered so many others, he chooses mercy over vengeance.

Also, I wonder how Rebecca Sugar and the crewniverse feel about Undertale.

[Snowbluff]

I figure out a timeline about the gems.

Okay, so Peridot was surprised that the Crystal Gems were still alive, but according to Lapis, defending against the rebellion was a lost cause and the Homeworld gems had to retreat from earth. IN fact, I find it strange that anyone is confused that any gems remain, since that have lifespans in thousands of years. I mean, the Homeworld Gems would have to have done something in order to make sure they weren't around anymore.

We know that there must have a been an absolutely huge number of rebel gems, because the shards were made into the massive cluster or the fusion experiments. But the cluster must have been developed before the evacuation of Earth, because there would be no Homeworld gems to make it otherwise. So most of the fatalities must have been made before the evacuation to fuel the trials and final product.

But if the defense was hopeless? How many were left, and what happened to them? We know that the corrupted gems are rebel gems that were... corrupted, but what the hell does that mean?! I don't think it was a natural process, judging what Greg said about the Crystal Gems only surviving because of Rose's shield. I don't think it's a result of damage of result of damage. Most of the corrupted gems seem perfectly fine when poofed, and gems that have lived under huge amounts of stress for thousands of years or have been cracked that long don't seem to have been corrupted. This leads me to believe that it's some kind of byproduct of a weapon that was deployed after the Earth was evacuated, and the reason why the only gems are left was because they were protected by Rose, in the ground, or not formed at the time (like Lapis).

So I think it looks like this directly after the evacuation:

A vast majority: Shattered, and used in gem experiments. ("Millions," according to Peridot, exist in the cluster)
A huge number: Evacuated.
A smaller, but still large number: Corrupted gems.
Pearl, Rose Quartz, and Garnet: Protected by Rose
Lapis: In the mirror
Amethyst: In the dirt


Hi, I'm Snowbluff. Lapis is my favorite. :smallbiggrin:

[LaZodiac]

Reminder to post the new link in the old thread.

[Manga Shoggoth]

Reminder to post the new link in the old thread.

I did. It's the very last post (#1500).

[Ninja_Prawn]

Hi, I'm Snowbluff. Lapis is my favorite. :smallbiggrin:

*waves* Hi Snowbluff! In case anyone missed it before, Pearl is my favourite.

I don't really have any comments on your spoiler. I think we just have to wait for the show to elaborate on it.

[Rater202]

Tracking post.

So, I'm predicting that Connie is going to meet Lapis or properly meet Peridot(or both) at some point and befriend them through their mutual friendship with Steven. I think that's a pretty solid prediction to make.

[Keltest]

Tracking post.

So, I'm predicting that Connie is going to meet Lapis or properly meet Peridot(or both) at some point and befriend them through their mutual friendship with Steven. I think that's a pretty solid prediction to make.

Assuming theyre both staying out at the Barn, that's a bit of a distance for Connie to travel under her own initiative. In a general sense it does seem likely that they'll meet eventually, and more probable than not that they will get along, but I'm not sure about any sort of deep friendship.

[Rater202]

Assuming theyre both staying out at the Barn, that's a bit of a distance for Connie to travel under her own initiative. In a general sense it does seem likely that they'll meet eventually, and more probable than not that they will get along, but I'm not sure about any sort of deep friendship.

I didn't say Deep friendship. I just say'd that they'd befriend each other, mostly out of mutual friendship with Steven.

Of course, I'm still predicting that Steven's first fusion with a Gem will be through Stevonnie, somehow, so something more than token friendship would be nice.

I also still want Peridot to meet Ronaldo.

[John Cribati]

Tracking post.

So, I'm predicting that Connie is going to meet Lapis or properly meet Peridot(or both) at some point and befriend them through their mutual friendship with Steven. I think that's a pretty solid prediction to make.

I think it would be funny if Connie sees Steven hanging out with Lapis or Peridot and thinks she's in a Love Triangle plot.

[Snowbluff]

I don't know how Lapis would react. She might not mesh well with Connie's inquisitive nature.

*waves* Hi Snowbluff! In case anyone missed it before, Pearl is my favourite. *waves* Pearl my favorite of the Crystal Gems. :3


I don't really have any comments on your spoiler. I think we just have to wait for the show to elaborate on it.

Yeah, we'll see. Judging by how things are going in season 3, we might have more elaboration on the subject.

[LaZodiac]

I think it would be funny if Connie sees Steven hanging out with Lapis or Peridot and thinks she's in a Love Triangle plot.

I thought the same, but that it would be Peridot who believes it's a love triangle. I think she'd get along really well with Connie.

[DigoDragon]

Hi, I'm Snowbluff. Lapis is my favorite. :smallbiggrin:

Hey there. I'm fairly new to the thread as well. I'm a fan of Peridot.

Unfortunately I'm all over the place as far as episodes seen, so I don't know much about your timeline to comment on it yet.

[Draconium]

I also still want Peridot to meet Ronaldo.

I could see that going either horribly wrong, or horribly right. I'm curious myself, now...

[Rater202]

I thought the same, but that it would be Peridot who believes it's a love triangle.

The only way that a "Someone thinks a love polygon plot is going on" is going to end with with a multi-fusion.

Incidentally, I still think Steven might have to be Stevonnie or another Human fusion, at least at first, before he/they can fuse with Gems. Easier to fuse if you're already fused, or having an extra relationship to build the fusion on. Something like that.

I also think that the first Gem Steven(or Stevonnie) fuses with will be Lapis or Peridot. Lapis and PEridot are Steven's friends. The Crystal Gems are Steven's Substitute Moms. Not an equal relationship right now.
I could see that going either horribly wrong, or horribly right. I'm curious myself, now...
I figure at first he recognizes her from the TV-he's apparently assembled a great deal of almost correct theories about "Rock People" and the Great Diamond Authority(Including that it's called the Great Diamond Authority), and between his blog and his Cameo in the Sadie Episode we got a while back, he's put Peridot and the Rock People together as part of the same group.

So I figure he recognizes her and wants to interrogate her, and at the same time she wants to know how he knows about the Diamonds, and they get to talking...But then they get sidetracked by a discussion about shipping for a show they both happen to watch.

[Ravian]

I also think that the first Gem Steven(or Stevonnie) fuses with will be Lapis or Peridot. Lapis and PEridot are Steven's friends. The Crystal Gems are Steven's Substitute Moms. Not an equal relationship right now.


I think this also makes sense because I think one of the primary reasons they're having a problem fusing with Steven is because they still think of Steven as Rose on some level, and as such they keep trying to sync the way they would with Rose and failing to truly understand Steven as a different person.

Given that neither Lapis nor Peridot ever even knew Rose Quartz (Lapis might have vaguely been aware of her but its unlikely she ever actually met her, and Peridot's too young.) I think it's likely that it'll be one of them.

[Rater202]

Another thought-Steven is a quartz, according to the guide t the crystal gems. He has the powers of a rose quartz, but, is he a rose quartz?

I mean, I know he has Rose's gem. but is he a rose quartz for for the purposes of fusion? If he fused with Pearl, would that be a rainbow quartz(like Pearl and Rose), or would that be a new gem fusion entirely?

Connie isn't a gem at all. Is Stevonnie a Rose Quartz?

[Ninja_Prawn]

If he fused with Pearl, would that be a Rainbow Quartz

I suspect not. I doubt Rose Quartz + Connie would make Stevonnie - Steven is a different kind of being from his mother.

[John Cribati]

I thought the same, but that it would be Peridot who believes it's a love triangle. I think she'd get along really well with Connie.
Peridot would be nothing if not the filthiest of Connverse shippers.

[Rater202]

Peridot would be nothing if not the filthiest of Connverse shippers.

I think the portmanteau ship name is the same as their fusion-Stevonnie.

[John Cribati]

I think the portmanteau ship name is the same as their fusion-Stevonnie.

Yeah but the fandom calls it Connverse since Stevonnie is actually a character... sometimes.

[DigoDragon]

Yeah but the fandom calls it Connverse since Stevonnie is actually a character... sometimes.

A letter off from a pretty good brand of shoe too.

[Snowbluff]

Hey there. I'm fairly new to the thread as well. I'm a fan of Peridot.
P Dot is pretty cool too.


Unfortunately I'm all over the place as far as episodes seen, so I don't know much about your timeline to comment on it yet.

That is sad. D:
I've recently had a bit of time free, and the new season came out, so I rewatched the show in such a short time that this stuck out to me.

[Hattish Thing]

New thread! Tagged.

A possibility has occurred to me about Jasper's fate. I still hope she gets redeemed, but there's a horrible possibility I hadn't considered until just now. What if Jasper gets shattered? They could even start a Jasper redemption arc before it happens, if they want to twist the knife. I'm imagining the gems finding Jasper at the same time Yellow Diamond's forces do, and hiding nearby. Jasper tries to explain herself, but YD is not forgiving, and orders her shattered. This would be the first time Steven actually sees a gem shattered, his first real, permanent failure to save someone. It would likely cement YD as a monster in his mind, not someone that can be reasoned with or shown a better way or loved into submission like other challenges he's faced. Or it could be setting up a moment of heroic mercy later, where he and the gems stand triumphant over YD and, rather than shattering her like she's shattered so many others, he chooses mercy over vengeance.

Also, I wonder how Rebecca Sugar and the crewniverse feel about Undertale.

Oh, god, that'd be soul-crushing. Apparently I'm one of the few people I know that actually likes Jasper a fair bit. That does sound like a pretty fantastic way to end her arc and grow Steven as a character, however.

I like it.

[Snowbluff]

Hey, is Pearl the one who cries and sings the most out of the Crystal Gems? I think she might be...

[eggynack]

Y'know what's weird about me, is just how much relief it filled me with hearing that Peridot got a hold of the Camp Pining Hearts full DVD set. That she was only going to get to see that one episode was a crazy stressful part of an otherwise magnificent episode of SU, whether it was the right decision on Steven's part or not, and now she's seen the whole show, and she can make beautiful shipping flow charts with all available information. On a semi-related note, is literally everything Peridot says or does in recent episodes just absolute solid gold, or is it just me? She came onto the show as maybe my least favorite character, and she's ramped up to a crazy high position. I doubt she takes first, cause other characters have more depth owing to more screen time, but they've really managed to make a relatively small amount of stuff count. She steals every scene and every episode she's in.

[LaZodiac]

Y'know what's weird about me, is just how much relief it filled me with hearing that Peridot got a hold of the Camp Pining Hearts full DVD set. That she was only going to get to see that one episode was a crazy stressful part of an otherwise magnificent episode of SU, whether it was the right decision on Steven's part or not, and now she's seen the whole show, and she can make beautiful shipping flow charts with all available information. On a semi-related note, is literally everything Peridot says or does in recent episodes just absolute solid gold, or is it just me? She came onto the show as maybe my least favorite character, and she's ramped up to a crazy high position. I doubt she takes first, cause other characters have more depth owing to more screen time, but they've really managed to make a relatively small amount of stuff count. She steals every scene and every episode she's in.

The writing for Peridot is ESPECIALLY on point, yes.

[Ninja_Prawn]

She steals every scene and every episode she's in.

She has been very good lately. I think, to some extent, that Garnet, Amethyst and Pearl (and Greg, Connie and all the boardwalk folks) have been deliberately dialed back a bit to allow Steven, Peridot and Lapis to have more of the limelight. The old characters have had the benefit of lots of relaxed, early-series episodes for us to get to know them, so it's only fair. I expect things will balance out again in the future.

[Maryring]

Steven and the crystal GMs (http://crystalgms.webcomic.ws/comics/first/)

Because why not?

[Ninja_Prawn]

Steven and the crystal GMs (http://crystalgms.webcomic.ws/comics/first/)

Because why not?

Because black text on a violet background? *Shudder*

[RyumaruMG]

Something that occurred to me on re-watching Watermelon Island - Alexandrite doesn't seem like she's just a fusion of Garnet, Amethyst, and Pearl.

Given that Alexandrite can use the weapons of the other fusions, it's almost like she's also a fusion of Sardonyx, Opal, and Sugilite.

[Ninja_Prawn]

Something that occurred to me on re-watching Watermelon Island - Alexandrite doesn't seem like she's just a fusion of Garnet, Amethyst, and Pearl.

Given that Alexandrite can use the weapons of the other fusions, it's almost like she's also a fusion of Sardonyx, Opal, and Sugilite.

Well that makes sense, doesn't it? If Ruby, Sapphire and Amethyst fused, you'd presumably get Sugilite, who clearly has elements of Garnet in her.

Thinking more generally, the more parties you have in a fusion, the more one-on-one combinations you have in there. That probably makes all large, heterogeneous fusions unstable, since the possibility of one pairing not agreeing with another increases exponentially with each additional party...

[John Cribati]

Well the Giant Women are all seen pulling out their components' weapons individually. Alexandrite can do ot too, so it makes sense she could combine them in the same way. Though it seems that she can make Sugulite's flail and Sardonyx's mallet at will.

[eggynack]

I'm more surprised that they didn't give her a fancy triple fusion weapon. I mean, it's not like triple fusion weapons don't exist, given that Garnet's weapons work in tandem with other weapons, so it'd be cool if they pulled that out.

[Rater202]

I'm more surprised that they didn't give her a fancy triple fusion weapon. I mean, it's not like triple fusion weapons don't exist, given that Garnet's weapons work in tandem with other weapons, so it'd be cool if they pulled that out.

Garnet's gauntlets are not a fusion weapon-Ruby has gauntlets, Sapphire, per word f god "probably" doesn't have a weapon.

So Sugilite's flail and Sardonyx's hammer are Ruby's weapon combined with the third gem's weapon.

[eggynack]

Garnet's gauntlets are not a fusion weapon-Ruby has gauntlets, Sapphire, per word f god "probably" doesn't have a weapon.

Nah, Ruby has gauntlet. She only gets two gauntlets when she's Garnet. Always thought that meant Sapphire's got the other. Either way, triple weapon would be cool.

[Yuki Akuma]

Ruby's gauntlet looks different to Garnet's gauntlet, while when any other fusion pulls out a fusee's weapon, it looks identical to when they use it un-fused.

Therefore, Garnet's gauntlets are probably a fused weapon somehow.

[Rater202]

Nah, Ruby has gauntlet. She only gets two gauntlets when she's Garnet.

You're assuming. Garnet has summoned just the one gauntlet on several occasions. No reason to assume that Ruby only has the one.

Furthermore: What weapon could Sapphire, who, per word of god probably doesn't have one, have that would combine with a gauntlet to make a gauntlet?

[eggynack]

Ruby's gauntlet looks different to Garnet's gauntlet, while when any other fusion pulls out a fusee's weapon, it looks identical to when they use it un-fused.
Maybe, though going by Pearl, you can get some real variation in your gem weapon if you want it. She might be the only one that makes use of it though. Kinda interesting. It's possible that the reason she varied it is cause Ruby's hands are too small for the embellishments she put on the Garnet Gauntlets. Or it's a weird fusion weapon thing. Gem weapons are a bit of an open question for the show. Y'know, who gets one, what their limits are, and so forth.

Edit:
You're assuming. Garnet has summoned just the one gauntlet on several occasions. No reason to assume that Ruby only has the one.
When did that happen? Not saying it didn't, but I don't recall the specific occasion.


Furthermore: What weapon could Sapphire, who, per word of god probably doesn't have one, have that would combine with a gauntlet to make a gauntlet?
A second other gauntlet. I always thought it fit their theme of being paired. Even if Garnet has the ability to make only one gauntlet, that doesn't mean that Ruby can make two. I mean, gem weapons come from the gem, so the Ruby gauntlet would come from the Ruby gem, and the Sapphire gauntlet would come from the Sapphire gem.

[Keltest]

You're assuming. Garnet has summoned just the one gauntlet on several occasions. No reason to assume that Ruby only has the one.

Furthermore: What weapon could Sapphire, who, per word of god probably doesn't have one, have that would combine with a gauntlet to make a gauntlet?

Perhaps Sapphire contributes the various abilities we have seen Garnet's gauntlets possess, like changing their size.

[Ninja_Prawn]

I'm more surprised that they didn't give her a fancy triple fusion weapon.

She doesn't have one in Attack the Light either; she just smashes the enemies with a fist repeatedly.

[eggynack]

She doesn't have one in Attack the Light either; she just smashes the enemies with a fist repeatedly.
Yeah, I remember that. Alexandrite's just felt like such a let down. Really limited personality, design that's purposefully off putting to fit with what was going on in her first episode, and kinda boring special powers. She's mostly just really big. She doesn't even have a cool underlying conflict like the other gem fusions have. Opal has the whole thing where she used to be hard to put together (where the ease now signifies team connectivity), Sugalite has that all consuming wrath and potential to go semi-evil, Sardonyx had a whole frigging bomb devoted to her problems, Stevonnie is just so obviously amazing that it doesn't seem worth discussing, and even Malachite has that abusive relationship thing. Alexandrite is such a weak link, barely even a character so much as an arbitrary concept that has the capacity to punch stuff. I feel like they need to do something or another with her character, though I have no idea what it would be.

[Rater202]

Found the tweet. (https://twitter.com/mcburnett/status/709559473069629440) One of the writers says that he doesn't think Sapphire has a weapon.

Alsohttp://40.media.tumblr.com/12d70e1b729059a1affe7e1318b37241/tumblr_np7goo2CdE1s6lvmno4_500.png

So yeah, Ruby only calling the one in the diner is not evidence that she only has one.

[eggynack]

Fancy. Still, it'd be kinda weird, I think, if a gem could put a gauntlet on your opposite hand.

[John Cribati]

Well, Steven can make his shield appear on his arm, or floating above his hand, even though it should technically come from his stomach area. And Jasper's pompadour doesn't come out of her nose, it just automatically forms around her head.

[Keltest]

Yeah, I remember that. Alexandrite's just felt like such a let down. Really limited personality, design that's purposefully off putting to fit with what was going on in her first episode, and kinda boring special powers. She's mostly just really big. She doesn't even have a cool underlying conflict like the other gem fusions have. Opal has the whole thing where she used to be hard to put together (where the ease now signifies team connectivity), Sugalite has that all consuming wrath and potential to go semi-evil, Sardonyx had a whole frigging bomb devoted to her problems, Stevonnie is just so obviously amazing that it doesn't seem worth discussing, and even Malachite has that abusive relationship thing. Alexandrite is such a weak link, barely even a character so much as an arbitrary concept that has the capacity to punch stuff. I feel like they need to do something or another with her character, though I have no idea what it would be.

Id like to point out that Sardonyx's problems were resolved at the end of the bomb, or at least seem to be.

And Alexandrite being a desperate weapon that takes extreme pressure to form instead of being a character in her own right seems very much deliberate to me. As you pointed out above, fusing even just two (or three, if you count Ruby and Sapphire) gems is risky and difficult to do without major personality clashes. If theyre becoming Alexandrite, theyre doing it because they need to be giant and to punch things into oblivion, and her lack of individuality reflects that.

[eggynack]

Id like to point out that Sardonyx's problems were resolved at the end of the bomb, or at least seem to be.
Well, the most obvious problem was solved. The bigger problem though, that she's such an outgrowth of Pearl's insecurities, seems like one that'd stick around. Yes, Garnet forgave Pearl, but Pearl still wishes that she could be, as in that classic movie, big. And tough. And more than just some servant. Opal encapsulates Pearl's conflict with Amethyst, but Sardonyx encapsulates what is perhaps Pearl's biggest conflict with herself.


And Alexandrite being a desperate weapon that takes extreme pressure to form instead of being a character in her own right seems very much deliberate to me. As you pointed out above, fusing even just two (or three, if you count Ruby and Sapphire) gems is risky and difficult to do without major personality clashes. If theyre becoming Alexandrite, theyre doing it because they need to be giant and to punch things into oblivion, and her lack of individuality reflects that.

They never really treat it as a conflict like that. The first time, they're mostly just wary because it's such a stupid reason, and the second, they basically do it without even thinking. Maybe if they treated it with more heft then it'd have that dramatic weight you're indicating, but it doesn't have that heft, and doesn't have that impact. It doesn't help that the fusion was treated so frivolously the first time. It'd be fine were it frivolous the first time and then weighty the second, cause I thought it worked for what it was trying to do in Fusion Cuisine, but Super Watermelon Island was really lacking in resonance and development as a whole, and Alexandrite's treatment was no exception to that.

[Xondoure]

Well, the most obvious problem was solved. The bigger problem though, that she's such an outgrowth of Pearl's insecurities, seems like one that'd stick around. Yes, Garnet forgave Pearl, but Pearl still wishes that she could be, as in that classic movie, big. And tough. And more than just some servant. Opal encapsulates Pearl's conflict with Amethyst, but Sardonyx encapsulates what is perhaps Pearl's biggest conflict with herself.

They never really treat it as a conflict like that. The first time, they're mostly just wary because it's such a stupid reason, and the second, they basically do it without even thinking. Maybe if they treated it with more heft then it'd have that dramatic weight you're indicating, but it doesn't have that heft, and doesn't have that impact. It doesn't help that the fusion was treated so frivolously the first time. It'd be fine were it frivolous the first time and then weighty the second, cause I thought it worked for what it was trying to do in Fusion Cuisine, but Super Watermelon Island was really lacking in resonance and development as a whole, and Alexandrite's treatment was no exception to that.

I get the impression that Alexandrite isn't more of a character because the fusion is still pretty imperfect. She's really one giant woman with the mind of Garnet Amethyst and Pearl working together and yet separate. As seen in the dinner party when Amethyst tries to eat and Pearl resists. Her main speaking voice seems to be Garnet, which makes sense as she takes command and the others follow her lead. My guess is that we're unlikely to see Alexandrite really come into her self, purely because she's just not that stable. The gems can form her when they're purpose is unified: love for Steven, or to protect the earth.

And IDK where your getting that from Watermelon Island. Yeah, there wasn't a lot of talking, but the watermelon Stevens were an excellent example in visual development and story telling. There wasn't a lot of character development from the Crystal Gems, but that's because it wasn't about them: it was about Malachite (and the episodes are only ten minutes long.)

It's possible I'm being defensive because the fight scene was really rad. That whip pull into triple punch? Too cool.

[eggynack]

I get the impression that Alexandrite isn't more of a character because the fusion is still pretty imperfect. She's really one giant woman with the mind of Garnet Amethyst and Pearl working together and yet separate. As seen in the dinner party when Amethyst tries to eat and Pearl resists. Her main speaking voice seems to be Garnet, which makes sense as she takes command and the others follow her lead. My guess is that we're unlikely to see Alexandrite really come into her self, purely because she's just not that stable. The gems can form her when they're purpose is unified: love for Steven, or to protect the earth.
Alexandrite doesn't necessarily have to have that strong a personality. It'd be great, but those things I listed were more about the constituent gems than the fusion. What we really needed, I think, was more of the decision before the fusion. Something as simple as Garnet saying that they have no other choice, or Pearl being hesitant, or anything. I mean, that's what's being proposed as Alexandrite's point of interest, right? That she's imperfect, and hard to put together, and easy to break apart. All we got of that in this episode was her trying to keep the fusion together briefly.


And IDK where your getting that from Watermelon Island. Yeah, there wasn't a lot of talking, but the watermelon Stevens were an excellent example in visual development and story telling. There wasn't a lot of character development from the Crystal Gems, but that's because it wasn't about them: it was about Malachite (and the episodes are only ten minutes long.)
The watermelons were neat. I mostly just found the fight boring, and it took a lot of time. Some cool moves happened during it, but there wasn't any nuance to it. No planning. And I do like more talky episodes, generally, but, say, Alone Together managed a lot of emotionally resonant stuff without talking. That's what I look for in SU, usually. Depth and resonance. Yeah, I wanted our protagonists to win, but it didn't make me care like the fight in On the Run made me care. Now that fight was a thing of beauty. I mostly just found myself kinda bored during the episode, so it's fortunate that Gem Drill was so good. Just a ton of Peridot saying amazing Peridot things, after having only the one amazing line in Watermelon.



It's possible I'm being defensive because the fight scene was really rad. That whip pull into triple punch? Too cool.
It was pretty neat. I feel like there were a lot of elements to the episode that seem like they'd make a good episode, the cool civilization, the big fight, Peridot's line. But it didn't feel like there was anything tying it all together. They just kinda toss Steven aside for no reason (aside from what is likely a bout of future vision), run off, and have a largely meaningless fight where there just happen to be watermelon Stevens. It's this little piece of underlying motivation and purpose that's missing, and it makes for an episode that comes off weightless, less than the sum of its parts.

[Snowbluff]

Alexandrite doesn't necessarily have to have that strong a personality. It'd be great, but those things I listed were more about the constituent gems than the fusion. What we really needed, I think, was more of the decision before the fusion. Something as simple as Garnet saying that they have no other choice, or Pearl being hesitant, or anything. I mean, that's what's being proposed as Alexandrite's point of interest, right? That she's imperfect, and hard to put together, and easy to break apart. All we got of that in this episode was her trying to keep the fusion together briefly.
I agree more the idea that Alexandrite effectively has no personality. The 4 way fusion is too unstable. Even when the CGs out most of their issues, she still doesn't have her own personality and is still prone to unfusing. It might just be impossible to keep such a large fusion working properly.

You want to here my theory about Alexandrite? I had to walk most of the way home from work today, so I had time to come up with a pretty good one.


The watermelons were neat. I mostly just found the fight boring, and it took a lot of time. Some cool moves happened during it, but there wasn't any nuance to it. No planning. And I do like more talky episodes, generally, but, say, Alone Together managed a lot of emotionally resonant stuff without talking. That's what I look for in SU, usually. Depth and resonance. Yeah, I wanted our protagonists to win, but it didn't make me care like the fight in On the Run made me care. Now that fight was a thing of beauty. I mostly just found myself kinda bored during the episode, so it's fortunate that Gem Drill was so good. Just a ton of Peridot saying amazing Peridot things, after having only the one amazing line in Watermelon. It's an anime fight scene. There's too much talking, if you ask me. :smalltongue:
Malachite has a partially more developed personality. Moments like when she giggles as the watermelons throw sticks at her are too precious. Also, the whole fight scene makes a whole lot of sense in hindsight, especially Malachite's Hannibal Lecture about fusion. It's almost like she was trying to destabilize Alexandrite. Those two Gems, knowing what we know about Lapis now, are an absolutely viscous combination. Physical, Magical, and Psychological warfare in a single package. Honestly, going to the island without Steven was probably a bad idea; Lapis probably gave in just to beat the crap out of the CGs.

[LaZodiac]

You know...I...Alexandrite's weapon being "literally all of them" makes sense. Also, the bow that shoot the Crystal Gem laser probably counts too. Just saying.

[Rater202]

A thought occurs to me. At one point does "My mom is a clearly mentally unstable fifty foot giant woman with six arms an a second mouth" become more normal than "I live with my three aunts?"

[Snowbluff]

A thought occurs to me. At one point does "My mom is a clearly mentally unstable fifty foot giant woman with six arms an a second mouth" become more normal than "I live with my three aunts?"

When you realize that the episode isn't about Alexandrite, but Connie's habit of lying to her parents.

[LaZodiac]

A thought occurs to me. At one point does "My mom is a clearly mentally unstable fifty foot giant woman with six arms an a second mouth" become more normal than "I live with my three aunts?"

Steven's just worried, due to what Connie has siad about her parents, that they're very deep into the "everything must be normal" way of thinking. He's basically acting like a kid who's parents are divorced or are gay. Though that latter one is also a concern for Steven I guess...

[endoperez]

I just remembered a tiny insignificant mistake and realized it might be Rose "speaking" through Steven. Which would be... interesting.


In "The Return", after Steven summons the huge shield to protect the gems from the laser from the giant hand-ship, he falls to the ground and sighs. The sigh is much deeper than Steven's own voice. I ignored it with a "that's weird" but... Rose has a deep voice.
It could be a mistake the creators didn't catch, of course.


No idea what that'd mean for the overarching story.

[The Fury]

I'm more surprised that they didn't give her a fancy triple fusion weapon. I mean, it's not like triple fusion weapons don't exist, given that Garnet's weapons work in tandem with other weapons, so it'd be cool if they pulled that out.

Bow+Flail+Hammer= ...I dunno... some kind of weird crossbow? Maybe it shoots boxing glove arrows. Alexandrite can also do that fire-breath thing, which is something that none of her component Gems can do.


A thought occurs to me. At one point does "My mom is a clearly mentally unstable fifty foot giant woman with six arms an a second mouth" become more normal than "I live with my three aunts?"

Maybe a part of why Alexandrite was given an unnerving design was to emphasize how uncomfortable keeping a lie going can get. It gets as uncomfortable as having dinner with a multi-limbed monster lady that spits her food out after chewing it and argues with herself.

[DigoDragon]

Bow+Flail+Hammer= ...I dunno... some kind of weird crossbow? Maybe it shoots boxing glove arrows.

A boxing glove arrow wielding a flail!

[Rater202]

A boxing glove arrow wielding a flail!

Incidentally, my Gemsona's weapon is a rolled up newspaper.

*thwacks Digo*

[Snowbluff]

Wait...

Peridot says that Lazulis are prone to water and flying.

PRONE TO WATER! It's a racial trait!

They KNEW these gems had magic water control powers when they were there, on Earth, during the colonization, but didn't use them for the war? Judging by what Lapis said, it didn't seem like they were being used for the terramorphing, either. :smallconfused:

I mean, none of the CGs seemed to recognize what kind of gem Lapis was when she was in the mirror, and were not prepared and didn't even seem aware of her abilities when she first appeared. Maybe she's just an exceptional example of her kind, but she's capable of UNAIDED, INTERSTELLAR, SUPERLUMINAL FLIGHT, and control all of the water on a planet whose surface is 70% water.

I don't care what Peridot says, the colonization of Earth and the defense of the colony was horribly mismanaged. Maybe that's why Pink Diamond isn't around anymore.

[DigoDragon]

Is posting fanart okay? Cause I saw this comic today and it seems like it would be kind of true. ^^;
http://img15.deviantart.net/a036/i/2015/193/e/9/steven_universe__something_something_pork_rinds_by _neodusk-d90ypos.jpg (http://www.deviantart.com/art/Steven-Universe-Something-Something-Pork-Rinds-545815180)

[Snowbluff]

Hahah, that's great.

In hindsight, she probably sings all of the time now because her jealousy. :smalltongue:

[Rater202]

http://img03.deviantart.net/262b/i/2015/179/0/9/steven_universe__the_hot_one_by_neodusk-d8z2dim.jpg

[Draconium]

Wait...

Peridot says that Lazulis are prone to water and flying.

PRONE TO WATER! It's a racial trait!

They KNEW these gems had magic water control powers when they were there, on Earth, during the colonization, but didn't use them for the war? Judging by what Lapis said, it didn't seem like they were being used for the terramorphing, either. :smallconfused:

I mean, none of the CGs seemed to recognize what kind of gem Lapis was when she was in the mirror, and were not prepared and didn't even seem aware of her abilities when she first appeared. Maybe she's just an exceptional example of her kind, but she's capable of UNAIDED, INTERSTELLAR, SUPERLUMINAL FLIGHT, and control all of the water on a planet whose surface is 70% water.

I don't care what Peridot says, the colonization of Earth and the defense of the colony was horribly mismanaged. Maybe that's why Pink Diamond isn't around anymore.

Well, Peridot also seemed impressed at just how easy Lapis took down the Homeworld vessel, so it wouldn't surprise me if our dear Lapis Lazuli is actually a lot stronger than normal, for whatever reason - maybe spending all that time trapped in the mirror allowed her time for introspection and discovery of the true depths of her powers? In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if Lazulis are normally more of a "diplomatic race" or something, a race not really meant to be on the front lines fighting.


Is posting fanart okay? Cause I saw this comic today and it seems like it would be kind of true. ^^;
http://img15.deviantart.net/a036/i/2015/193/e/9/steven_universe__something_something_pork_rinds_by _neodusk-d90ypos.jpg (http://www.deviantart.com/art/Steven-Universe-Something-Something-Pork-Rinds-545815180)

This is exactly what happened. No question. :smalltongue:

[Snowbluff]

Well, Peridot also seemed impressed at just how easy Lapis took down the Homeworld vessel, so it wouldn't surprise me if our dear Lapis Lazuli is actually a lot stronger than normal, for whatever reason - maybe spending all that time trapped in the mirror allowed her time for introspection and discovery of the true depths of her powers? In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if Lazulis are normally more of a "diplomatic race" or something, a race not really meant to be on the front lines fighting.


Okay, so my guess is that a Lapis Lazuli's function is that of a living recording device. They have flight, which lets them get around a lot more easily, and their water control lets them project image to others, like how Lapis demonstrates at the Galaxy Warp. Lapis was probably on Earth to record the colonization effort for future gemerations (*cringe*).

As you've said, her time in the mirror may have affected her, in this case it might be the source of her projection powers, which may not be native to her type. Of course, it could be the other way around, with the mirror's abilities being because of her own powers.

[Maryring]

A boxing glove arrow wielding a flail!

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/why-you-need-a-boxing-glove-arrow.jpg

[DigoDragon]

[Here's one from the same guy I think is worth sharing]

Heh, fandoms in a nutshell when it comes to "favorite character". ^^!


why-you-need-a-boxing-glove-arrow.jpg

It's true, sometimes nothing beats the therapeutic feel of a good left hook.

[The Fury]

A boxing glove arrow wielding a flail!

Naw, that's just silly. The boxing glove arrow would be on a rope so you could reel it back in while you reload. Also so you can use your crossbow as a flail.

[Snowbluff]

Why does it have to be a bow? How about a sling shot made out of the fingers of the gauntlet, with the spear as the string, that shoots whips at people.

[LaZodiac]

Why does it have to be a bow? How about a sling shot made out of the fingers of the gauntlet, with the spear as the string, that shoots whips at people.

Switch the spear and whip here because...seriously, and it'd be perfectly reasonable.

[The Fury]

Why does it have to be a bow? How about a sling shot made out of the fingers of the gauntlet, with the spear as the string, that shoots whips at people.

That reminds me of a card from Munchkin. It was a weapon called a "slug-thrower," I unfortunately can't find an image but it was basically a slingshot made by stretching a rubber band between two fingers and used actual garden slugs as ammo.


Switch the spear and whip here because...seriously, and it'd be perfectly reasonable.

I think reasonable went out the window as soon as I mentioned "boxing glove arrow."

[Snowbluff]

That reminds me of a card from Munchkin. It was a weapon called a "slug-thrower," I unfortunately can't find an image but it was basically a slingshot made by stretching a rubber band between two fingers and used actual garden slugs as ammo.
I love that game



I think reasonable went out the window as soon as I mentioned "boxing glove arrow."

This guy gets it.

[Rater202]

You know, I kind of want Steven and Connie to have to(or think they need to) fuse for some reason, and have trouble doing it because it's the first time they've done it on purpose and they aren't focusing on the right emotions.

I also want Stevonnie versus Jasper, with Jasper not knowing about the Fusion and commenting that "This is more like the Rose Quartz I remember."

[Ninja_Prawn]

Jasper not knowing about the Fusion and commenting that "This is more like the Rose Quartz I remember."

Then Amethyst does her Rose Quartz shapeshift and Jasper's like "wait, everything's more like Rose Quartz than I remember... am I... going crazy?"

[Rater202]

They're marathoning most of the Steven/Connie Episodes again.

[Lurkmoar]

Harumph. I was hopping for a more action packed episode. Still, cute and whimsy isn't bad.

Still didn't feel like In Too Deep was the right way to call these episodes...

[Rater202]

Harumph. I was hopping for a more action packed episode. Still, cute and whimsy isn't bad.

Still didn't feel like In Too Deep was the right way to call these episodes...

Malachite returns from the deep see.

Steven and Peridot go deep into the ground

We travel deep into Lapis's past

We deeply explore Lapis's issues and changes in Peridot's character sine befriending Steven

The Ruby Squad were quite deep in their Stupidity.

And Steven was trapped deeply in the sky.

[Berserk Mecha]

This is somewhat off topic, but why does the Diamond Authority want to colonize other planets in the first place? We see that it is to create new gems, but for what purpose? The gems do not require resources to live, although they are shown to require rest at times. (Like the changelings from DS9, I guess.) Even the transformers need energon. It does not seem like Homeworld would stand to lose anything if their colonies were lost.

[DigoDragon]

This is somewhat off topic, but why does the Diamond Authority want to colonize other planets in the first place? We see that it is to create new gems, but for what purpose?

To... replace the dead ones?

[Ninja_Prawn]

This is somewhat off topic, but why does the Diamond Authority want to colonize other planets in the first place? We see that it is to create new gems, but for what purpose? The gems do not require resources to live, although they are shown to require rest at times. (Like the changelings from DS9, I guess.) Even the transformers need energon. It does not seem like Homeworld would stand to lose anything if their colonies were lost.

I don't think there's been any canon exposition on this, but I'm happy to take some wild guesses:

Hurbis and the quest for 'perfection'. Peridot's immediate reaction to the old plans in It Could've Been Great was one of wonder and appreciation. This indicates that homeworld gems clearly value artistry and may have been seeking to create the 'perfect colony'.
More space = more gems. That earth colony looked like it had a lot of gem habitation space. If you've ever played a 4X game, you must know that feeling of obsessively wanting to increase the number of people you control.
The homeworld gems may be fighting an external enemy. Huge, militaristic societies often are, as the external threat binds people together and makes them more willing to tolerate tyranny at home.

[Keltest]

To... replace the dead ones?

And probably to man colonies and territories that aren't just for reproduction. Their bodies may be hard light constructs, but their equipment and tech probably use more conventional resources to make.

[Snowbluff]

They are "designed" for interstellar conquest, according to Peridot. With their life cycle seemingly needed to be started artificially, I think they were originally a warrior race constructed by aliens.

[John Cribati]

Gems are basically Magical Mineral-based Alien Virus Robots. They couldn't have evolved that way.

[DigoDragon]

Gems are basically Magical Mineral-based Alien Virus Robots. They couldn't have evolved that way.

Well, humans could be thought of as organic viruses (Agent Smith says as much in The Matrix). If we had the ability to get to other planets, we'd multiply as well. To jump on Ninja_Prawn's 4X comparison, a bigger population can secure more planets, and in turn gives a bigger production base to make a bigger population to secure more planets. Cycle of life/conquest. :3

[Yuki Akuma]

Well, humans could be thought of as organic viruses

Viruses could, also, be thought of as organic viruses. What with containing carbon and all. :smallwink:

[John Cribati]

It would be one thing if a Gem could act as an Injector and put *whatever* into the ground and have that *whatever* eventually become another Gem. That would actually be reproduction.

But Gems are just the products of... production.

[The Fury]

Something occurred to me a bit after I watched Steven Floats-- Steven remarks that all of his powers manifest according to his emotions, I wonder if this is true for all Gems. There's actually some reason to believe that this might be the case, Ruby's and Sapphire's elemental powers manifest during emotional moments in Keystone Motel and The Answer. Also the Gem that has displayed very little in the way of powers is Peridot-- the one that doesn't seem to understand her own feelings terribly well.

Not a solid hypothesis I'll admit, though probably not the worst I've heard.

[Keltest]

Something occurred to me a bit after I watched Steven Floats-- Steven remarks that all of his powers manifest according to his emotions, I wonder if this is true for all Gems. There's actually some reason to believe that this might be the case, Ruby's and Sapphire's elemental powers manifest during emotional moments in Keystone Motel and The Answer. Also the Gem that has displayed very little in the way of powers is Peridot-- the one that doesn't seem to understand her own feelings terribly well.

Not a solid hypothesis I'll admit, though probably not the worst I've heard.

Its probably different for each gem, like how they summon their weapons. Amethyst I could see using her emotions to trigger or control her powers, while Pearl has to concentrate and focus.

[Snowbluff]

Its probably different for each gem, like how they summon their weapons. Amethyst I could see using her emotions to trigger or control her powers, while Pearl has to concentrate and focus.

My thoughts exactly. Remember Secret Team?

[Ravian]

Something occurred to me a bit after I watched Steven Floats-- Steven remarks that all of his powers manifest according to his emotions, I wonder if this is true for all Gems. There's actually some reason to believe that this might be the case, Ruby's and Sapphire's elemental powers manifest during emotional moments in Keystone Motel and The Answer. Also the Gem that has displayed very little in the way of powers is Peridot-- the one that doesn't seem to understand her own feelings terribly well.

Not a solid hypothesis I'll admit, though probably not the worst I've heard.

I get the impression that different gems tap into their abilities in different ways, that's the reason why the gems were suggesting different ways for Steven to draw his shield.

in hindsight it's interesting to see how the different gem's backgrounds contribute to their different methods.
Pearl depends largely on technique, practice and discipline, while Amethyst largely relies on a more natural approach, this is partially as an indicator of their personalities, Pearl's a very disciplined and precise gem while Amethyst takes it easy and plays it by ear.

But knowing from their backgrounds there's another reason for their different approaches.

Pearls aren't warriors in Gem society, while Quartz's like Amethyst are, so while Amethyst can use her whip while it's the most natural thing in the world for her, Pearl had to train herself to be able to use a weapon.

This might also be part of the reason why Pearl also uses regular swords. It's possible that she had many of the same problems that Steven had at first when trying to learn how to fight alongside Rose. Not wanting to be hampered by her less than stellar abilities at producing her own weapon, she took up the sword (the same kind of weapon Rose also used) to be able to serve her more effectively.


As for Steven's powers, most of them are based around support and defending and helping others. It's possible that Rose Quartz served as a field medic (if she wasn't a diamond). Thus it's possible that most of her powers are linked to a more positive "nurturing" mindset.

[DigoDragon]

Viruses could, also, be thought of as organic viruses. What with containing carbon and all. :smallwink:

Right, but Herpestidae specifically mentioned mineral viruses, so I was just making the distinction between gems and humans. :3


Also the Gem that has displayed very little in the way of powers is Peridot-- the one that doesn't seem to understand her own feelings terribly well.

Well can't wait to see the episode where she gets her ducks in a row. :D

[Rater202]

Incidentally, I still think Peridot's weapon should be some kind of drill, and that a hypothetical fusion of Peridot and Garnet should be a Gurren Lagann shout out.

[EternalMelon]

Incidentally, I still think Peridot's weapon should be some kind of drill, and that a hypothetical fusion of Peridot and Garnet should be a Gurren Lagann shout out.
MY DRILL WILL BE THE DRILL THAT WILL PIERCE THE HOMEWORLD!

So, Hi, this thread exists, good to know.

I like this show.

[DigoDragon]

Incidentally, I still think Peridot's weapon should be some kind of drill, and that a hypothetical fusion of Peridot and Garnet should be a Gurren Lagann shout out.

I don't know much about Gurren Lagann, but I get the reference and that would be cool. :3



So, Hi, this thread exists, good to know.

I like this show.

Hey there. I'm fairly new here too. And yes, it's a good show.

[Rater202]

So I kind of want Peridot and Lapis to do Classroom Gems shorts.

What would they talk about?

[ChaosPerfected]

Incidentally, I still think Peridot's weapon should be some kind of drill, and that a hypothetical fusion of Peridot and Garnet should be a Gurren Lagann shout out.

Happiness for the rest of my days if this happens.

[EternalMelon]

Hey there. I'm fairly new here too. And yes, it's a good show.
God to know we are in accord. I do have a question on the release schedual... I just finished watching the show right before the start of season 3 and I understand the episodes come out a few at a time? How often are they released?

So I kind of want Peridot and Lapis to do Classroom Gems shorts.

What would they talk about?
What are Classroom Gem shorts?

[LaZodiac]

God to know we are in accord. I do have a question on the release schedual... I just finished watching the show right before the start of season 3 and I understand the episodes come out a few at a time? How often are they released?

What are Classroom Gem shorts?

Well the current batch were uploaded after around 7 months of hiatus. But apparently the show is coming back consistantly this or next month.

they're little shorts that you can find online, and are aired on TV inbetween shows as comercial time space filler if they don't have enough slotted comercial time.

[Razade]

Steven Floats was a nice return to some less high stakes stuff but I honestly missed Peridot and Lapis. Lapis was always a favorite of mine and now that she's back with a 0 F's given attitude I like her even more.

[Rater202]

What are Classroom Gem shorts? Every so often the CN releases a short or two about SU. One of them is Lion acting like a box cat, one is an extended version of the opening, one's Steven doing an unboxing video for his Hotdog Dufflebag(from Wacky Sacks, Maker of the cheeseburger Backpack)

Three of them, however, are "Classroom Gems" which are the Crystal Gems explaining things about Gems-The first one is Pearl Explaining what gems are. The Second is Amethyst explaining how gems are made, and the third is Garnet explaining the concept of Gem Fusion.

Since Peridot is a crystal Gem now and Lapis is at least an ally, I'd kind of like to see them do Classroom Gem shorts.

I've no clue what topics they'd cover though. Well, Peridot has given us the most on the Gem Casts, maybe she could explain that, but what about Lapis?

[LaZodiac]

Lapis could teach us about how their magic and weapons work since she's the one with the most unique/interesting weaponry.

[Xondoure]

Lapis could teach us about Gem History, given her powers.

[Snowbluff]

Lapis could teach us about Gem History, given her powers.

"I was used for teaching gem history once. I'm kind of taking a break from gem history for a while." :smalltongue:

[Xondoure]

"I was used for teaching gem history once. I'm kind of taking a break from gem history for a while." :smalltongue:

Fair point. :smallredface::smalltongue:

[The Fury]

Peridot could probably explain Gem tech, like how the millennia-old stuff found on earth differs from the modern tech that Homeworld uses.

Lapis... I don't know.

[LaZodiac]

Peridot could probably explain Gem tech, like how the millennia-old stuff found on earth differs from the modern tech that Homeworld uses.

Lapis... I don't know.

Speaking of which the "Summer of Steven" will be starting soon. Either tomorrow or next week!

[The Fury]

Speaking of which the "Summer of Steven" will be starting soon. Either tomorrow or next week!

I'll believe it when I see it. A more cynical side of me isn't convinced that "Summer of Steven" won't be a European exclusive.

It probably won't start tomorrow, Cartoon Network didn't mention new a episode for the next "Yoursday." Next week then. Maybe.

[Ninja_Prawn]

Speaking of which the "Summer of Steven" will be starting soon. Either tomorrow or next week!

Hey, nice avatar! Ocarina of Time, eh... that takes me back. :smallsmile:

A Summer of Steven sounds good, even if it is a European exclusive.

[The Fury]

Hey, nice avatar! Ocarina of Time, eh... that takes me back. :smallsmile:

A Summer of Steven sounds good, even if it is a European exclusive.

The UK gets it one week later. It'll be released in the Americas after they record the Spanish dub, (October.)

[LaZodiac]

Hey, nice avatar! Ocarina of Time, eh... that takes me back. :smallsmile:

A Summer of Steven sounds good, even if it is a European exclusive.

Thanks, it's pretty cool. I'm doing that game on my channel now. Hope you enjoy :smallamused:

Eh we have the internet we will get access to watching the new episodes if and when they happen.

[Rater202]

So, I just realized something.

As we all know, The ending of Super Watermelon Island leads straight into Gem Drill, which leads straight into Same Old World, which leads straight into Barn Mates, which leads straight into hit the Diamond.

Which means that Steven Universe could be said to now have a Five Part Serial.

Furthermore, at about 11 minutes an episode, it totals to just under an hour run time.

In Too Deep could be edited together and aired as a TV Movie-as sometimes happens with serial stories.

[DigoDragon]

A Summer of Steven sounds good, even if it is a European exclusive.

Slightly less good if you don't live in Europe. :smalltongue:

But the term 'exclusive' doesn't mean much on the internet these days, so...

[Rater202]

Does anybody think that this was deliberate? (http://artemispanthar.tumblr.com/post/145019053627/rosabiaz-dragon-ball-z-1989-steven-universe)

[Lord Raziere]

......Maybe.

I'd wait until we get a Nappa equivalent to be sure myself. that and Peridot's hair, personality and role fits Vegeta's far better in some ways

[John Cribati]

The creators have a general rule of "if you think something on this show is a reference to something, it probably is."

[Ninja_Prawn]

Does anybody think that this was deliberate? (http://artemispanthar.tumblr.com/post/145019053627/rosabiaz-dragon-ball-z-1989-steven-universe)

There's already been a few DBZ references in SU, so it seems quite likely. You know, I knew that scene felt familiar when I saw it, but it didn't occur to me that it could be a reference.

[Rater202]

I found Rebeca Sugar's notes on Hit the Diamond. (http://rebeccasugar.tumblr.com/post/145334824303/my-concept-drawings-for-hit-the-diamond-from)Originally Steven was going to give the Ruby's nicknames.

The one with her gem in her leg, the naive one the others call "newbie" was literally born the day before the mission.

That's a bit unsettling.

[DigoDragon]

I found Rebeca Sugar's notes on Hit the Diamond. (http://rebeccasugar.tumblr.com/post/145334824303/my-concept-drawings-for-hit-the-diamond-from)Originally Steven was going to give the Ruby's nicknames.

The one with her gem in her leg, the naive one the others call "newbie" was literally born the day before the mission.

That's a bit unsettling.

Aww dang. A lost opportunity for a "Were you born yesterday?" joke. :smallbiggrin:

[Flickerdart]

Hah, I didn't even consider that the gem was in the same place as the scouter.

[The Fury]

Aww dang. A lost opportunity for a "Were you born yesterday?" joke. :smallbiggrin:

We can still do them if you want.

"Oh, Ruby! Were you born yesterday?"

"What? No! I'm literally twice that old!"

or

"Oh, Ruby! Were you born yesterday?"

*checks watch* "Hm... About 20 hours, 31 minutes ago actually."



Hah, I didn't even consider that the gem was in the same place as the scouter.

Actually I was wondering if Leader Ruby's visor might be some kind of heads-up display. If it's for piloting a ship it might explain why she and Peridot both have them. Ruby's might event be able to say what somebody's power level is.

[DigoDragon]

Actually I was wondering if Leader Ruby's visor might be some kind of heads-up display. If it's for piloting a ship it might explain why she and Peridot both have them. Ruby's might event be able to say what somebody's power level is.

I read somewhere a theory that where the gem is located, can indicate the kind of personality the gem is.

Pearl & Peridot: Location on head denotes a very mind oriented approach on the world.
Garnet, Ruby, Saphire: Location the hands denotes a desire to be very hands on when approaching the world. Also a willingness to be vulnerable, risk it all, and do what it takes to win. You fight with your hands, so having your gem there means you are both willing to to take risk (if your gem breaks you die), but it is also the hardest part of your body.
Amethyst: Location on heart denotes desire think with the heart, to be guided by emotions.
Steven, Rose Quartz: Location on stomach denotes a desire to think with one's guts or in other words with their initution.
Lapis: Location on back means you wish to be withdrawn from the world, to have as much buffer as you can between it and you. It also means that you are willing to be vulnerable to those you trust. You hope they are watching your back. -- This why Lapis takes the captivity so hard. She feels that the other gems have betrayed her trust.

I'm still quite behind on episodes, but I thought it was an interesting theory.

[Manga Shoggoth]

To be honest, it looks like the Reddit poster decided what they wanted and tried to retrofit the characters on to it.


Pearl & Peridot: Location on head denotes a very mind oriented approach on the world.

That works for Peridot, who is is an engineer at heart. Pearl, I'm not so sure about.

It's true that she comes across as cerebral at times, but it seems more because she can be a very obsessive character. She does seem prone to make decisions more from the heart (following Rose Quartz, training Connie, trying to go back to space).


Garnet, Ruby, Saphire: Location the hands denotes a desire to be very hands on when approaching the world. Also a willingness to be vulnerable, risk it all, and do what it takes to win. You fight with your hands, so having your gem there means you are both willing to to take risk (if your gem breaks you die), but it is also the hardest part of your body.

True for Garnet (and possibly Rubies in general), but I don't really see that for Sapphire. That said, we really haven't seen enough of Ruby and Sapphire as individuals to tell.

From "Hitting the Diamond/Rubies Verses Humans" we get a different image - Garnet takes a focused hands-on approach right until she splits into Sapphire and Ruby, at which point they... I just don't want to go there...


Amethyst: Location on heart denotes desire think with the heart, to be guided by emotions.

Really, that's more Steven and possibly Rose Quartz. And judging by "Hitting the Diamond", Sapphire and Ruby.


Steven, Rose Quartz: Location on stomach denotes a desire to think with one's guts or in other words with their initution.

...And again, this is more Amethyst.


Lapis: Location on back means you wish to be withdrawn from the world, to have as much buffer as you can between it and you. It also means that you are willing to be vulnerable to those you trust. You hope they are watching your back. -- This why Lapis takes the captivity so hard. She feels that the other gems have betrayed her trust.

This in particular seems very tacked on. Lapis' driving compulsion was to go home. She took her captivity hard, true, but that was because she got caught up in a battle, mistaken for the wrong side, rammed into a mirror and interrogated, injured during the evacuation and her one hope for rescue from the mirror (Pearl picking her up after an unknown amount of time stranded at the Galaxy Warp) didn't materialise.

[Ninja_Prawn]

To be honest, it looks like the Reddit poster decided what they wanted and tried to retrofit the characters on to it.

I concur. Although this is probably true for 99% of all of these kinds of things.


That works for Peridot, who is is an engineer at heart. Pearl, I'm not so sure about.

As someone who identifies with Pearl, I feel qualified to approve this. Pearl's decision-making is influenced more by feeling than thinking; if I was to guess her MBTI* type, I'd say INFJ. It's the J that confuses people; she desires logic and order, so people mistake her for a 'thinker', but saying any NF type has a "mind-oriented approach to the world" is definitely a stretch.

*I know this is widely discredited as a scientific implement, but I feel it helps to clarify my point here.

[Snowbluff]

*I know this is widely discredited as a scientific implement, but I feel it helps to clarify my point here.

Well of course it's not very scientific. That doesn't mean it isn't useful. It just just gives basic types, which can be useful for understanding how people think. For example, my type is INTP. My approach to the show generally involves digging around trying to figure how everything works. I know a lot of people who have conflicting types, which means they generally won't appreciate a show for the themes and world building, preferring the popcorn approach to art. Whenever you hear a person telling a critic to "turn your brain off and just enjoy it," you're seeing this kind of conflict.

Using it as an approach to character study isn't necessarily wrong, either. It's like having a horoscope sign for the character. Sure, it may not be the most scientific thing in the world, but it can give a general direction or basic understanding for their behavior.

[The Fury]

Another thing to add-- Jasper and Amethyst have their gemstones placed differently, though in terms of practical decision-making they have a similar approach; the Leeroy Jenkins method. Granted, they're both solid enough for that to usually not be a problem. Rubies in general seem to be like this too. Maybe it's a warrior-Gem trait?

Peridot definitely has the most cerebral approach to the world around her, and that makes a lot of sense. Peridot is small, not very tough, and physically weaker than Steven. Peridot's ability to catalogue facts and approach problems logically is really all she has going for her. Although she does occasionally appeal to a more emotional side.



As someone who identifies with Pearl, I feel qualified to approve this. Pearl's decision-making is influenced more by feeling than thinking; if I was to guess her MBTI* type, I'd say INFJ. It's the J that confuses people; she desires logic and order, so people mistake her for a 'thinker', but saying any NF type has a "mind-oriented approach to the world" is definitely a stretch.

She's definitely a planner-- while emotion does appear to be her main drive, she seems to like having all the facts in hand before tackling a problem. Maybe this goes back to her nature as a delicate servant-Gem that's reinvented herself as a fighter-- Pearl just isn't as tough as warrior-type Gems like Amethyst so she's always needed to plan. Another possibility is that Pearl gathers facts and plans because it helps her feel in control after having her heart broken.




*I know this is widely discredited as a scientific implement, but I feel it helps to clarify my point here.

Ah, science shmience. We're talkin' about cartoons!

[Snowbluff]

She's definitely a planner-- while emotion does appear to be her main drive, she seems to like having all the facts in hand before tackling a problem. Maybe this goes back to her nature as a delicate servant-Gem that's reinvented herself as a fighter-- Pearl just isn't as tough as warrior-type Gems like Amethyst so she's always needed to plan. Another possibility is that Pearl gathers facts and plans because it helps her feel in control after having her heart broken.

It's possible that a lack of E in her typing might result in a lack of emotional intelligence, which leads to poor decision making.

[Callos_DeTerran]

Incidentally, I still think Peridot's weapon should be some kind of drill, and that a hypothetical fusion of Peridot and Garnet should be a Gurren Lagann shout out.

I know Gurren Lagann is a popular show and it has a lot of passionate fans...but the less Gurren Lagann in my life, the better. :smalltongue:

[The Fury]

I know Gurren Lagann is a popular show and it has a lot of passionate fans...but the less Gurren Lagann in my life, the better. :smalltongue:

I guess it would be rude to point out that Peridot's robot sort of looked like a Gunman. If she sees fit to repair it by borrowing parts from the wrecked Gem Drill it's all over.

[Admiral Squish]

*tries very hard not to engage and start something unpleasant*

[DigoDragon]

I guess it would be rude to point out that Peridot's robot sort of looked like a Gunman. If she sees fit to repair it by borrowing parts from the wrecked Gem Drill it's all over.

If I knew any less on the topic, I would of guessed this post was talking about Mega Man. :smallbiggrin:

[Spanish_Paladin]

I am glad to see i am not the only adult who loves this show. Its stories and characters make me happy, and i need things to make me happy even if it's only for fifteen minutes :smallsmile:

[Callos_DeTerran]

I guess it would be rude to point out that Peridot's robot sort of looked like a Gunman. If she sees fit to repair it by borrowing parts from the wrecked Gem Drill it's all over.

What's a Gunman?

[Ninja_Prawn]

I am glad to see i am not the only adult who loves this show. Its stories and characters make me happy, and i need things to make me happy even if it's only for fifteen minutes :smallsmile:

Welcome to the thread! Always good to see a new face.

[Rater202]

What's a Gunman?

Th Robots in Gurran Lagann. The weaker ones tend to look boxy with stubby limbs.

[theskorpionking]

I am glad to see i am not the only adult who loves this show. Its stories and characters make me happy, and i need things to make me happy even if it's only for fifteen minutes :smallsmile:

Another adult fan who loves the show here too. A few weeks ago I took my niece to an anime con that was held where I live and we sat in a q&a session with Zach Callison and then I was nice and got my niece a signed picture of Steven with cookie cats and spent a little extra so she could have a picture taken with him. He was a nice kid.

[Rater202]

You know how a little while ago, I mentioned that the In To Deep event was basically a Tv seriel and could be aired as a TV movie?

They're airing it as a TV movie right now.

[RyumaruMG]

I guess it would be rude to point out that Peridot's robot sort of looked like a Gunman. If she sees fit to repair it by borrowing parts from the wrecked Gem Drill it's all over.

... I now have a mighty need for Steven dressed as Simon and/or Rose wearing Kamina shades.

[The Fury]

... I now have a mighty need for Steven dressed as Simon and/or Rose wearing Kamina shades.

Garnet's shades are kind of that shape, also there's this:

http://41.media.tumblr.com/8f9c3732eb4bbb7100aa2cd82038bdd9/tumblr_inline_o1dqs0deVp1suhfr2_500.png

[Rater202]

Garnet's shades are kind of that shape, also there's this:

http://41.media.tumblr.com/8f9c3732eb4bbb7100aa2cd82038bdd9/tumblr_inline_o1dqs0deVp1suhfr2_500.png
We don't know if that's real or not.

[Razade]

Garnet's shades are kind of that shape, also there's this:

http://41.media.tumblr.com/8f9c3732eb4bbb7100aa2cd82038bdd9/tumblr_inline_o1dqs0deVp1suhfr2_500.png

Considering that picture comes from January 2016 and mentions "leaks from Barnmates" I doubt the veracity of the picture.

[Fralex]

Noooo! You started the new thread before I could tell you the awesome idea I had for the name! 3ven Universe. Pronounced "Three-ven." To fit with "2niverse." And then after we could have it be "Steven Uni4ce." OK now that I see them written out maybe these aren't actually that good. Whatever, it's nice to be back.

[Friv]

... I now have a mighty need for Steven dressed as Simon and/or Rose wearing Kamina shades.

I have got you covered, sir.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/981/444/347.jpg

(I can't find the artist, so if anyone can, let me know and I'll edit the credit in.)

[Ravens_cry]

Pear strikes me as someone who takes a methodical, analytical approach, making concrete plans she likes to follow exactly, but quickly shifts to emotion when the 'plan' goes awry. She doesn't handle changing circumstances well.

[The Fury]

Considering that picture comes from January 2016 and mentions "leaks from Barnmates" I doubt the veracity of the picture.

When the image came out there was speculation that it was from Barn Mates, it was not. That said, folks here like to remain spoiler-free and I'm not sure that it isn't from a future episode, so I'll err on the side of it being an actual leaked image that was attributed to the wrong episode.


I have got you covered, sir.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/981/444/347.jpg

(I can't find the artist, so if anyone can, let me know and I'll edit the credit in.)

...I love it.



Pear strikes me as someone who takes a methodical, analytical approach, making concrete plans she likes to follow exactly, but quickly shifts to emotion when the 'plan' goes awry. She doesn't handle changing circumstances well.

Really? Pear always struck me as a sad piece of fruit that sometimes lies to make herself feel better. She seems to acknowledge this part of herself and I think she's working on it. At least Spoon forgives her.


Sorry, I guess that might've come off as a cheap shot... or perhaps low-hanging fruit? Eh? Eh? OK, sorry. I'm a horrible person and I'm out.

[Manga Shoggoth]

Sorry, I guess that might've come off as a cheap shot... or perhaps low-hanging fruit? Eh? Eh? OK, sorry. I'm a horrible person and I'm out.

You should be careful - you may make your friends cry.

(Normally I will leap on a pun or double reference, but that episode is one of the few I haven't seen yet. Nice catch!)

[The Fury]

You should be careful - you may make your friends cry.

(Normally I will leap on a pun or double reference, but that episode is one of the few I haven't seen yet. Nice catch!)

Normally I wouldn't stoop to making fun of someone's typing mistake, (Ravens_cry, hopefully you don't mind) but the chance to make a Crying Breakfast Friends reference in a Steven Universe thread was too great to pass up.
By the way, if you do get a chance to see that episode (it's called A Cry For Help) try reading the voice credits, there's actually something cool there.

DeeDee Magno Hall (Pearl) voiced Pear

Estelle (Garnet) voiced Spoon

Also, I guess the episode after Steven Floats will be Too Short To Ride. There were two video clips released through the Cartoon Network Anything App-- here's one of them:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtDS9NjDA1U

I guess it'll be about Peridot going to Funland and she ends up being too short for the rides she's really interested in.

[Rater202]

Peridot socializing and being cute sounds like good episode.

[LaZodiac]

Also, I guess the episode after Steven Floats will be Too Short To Ride. There were two video clips released through the Cartoon Network Anything App-- here's one of them:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtDS9NjDA1U

I guess it'll be about Peridot going to Funland and she ends up being too short for the rides she's really interested in.

Yesssssssssss. A very nice, non spoilery teaser, that is EXCEPTIONALLY cute. I am prepared to see Peridot hug a tophat wearing alien plushie.

I really like Peridot's eventual fascination with the generic little green man style of alien, given she's the closest to that stereotype.

[Rater202]

I really like Peridot's eventual fascination with the generic little green man style of alien, given she's the closest to that stereotype.
There's another level to that, by the way.

While I'm hesitant to comes out and say that she's on the spectrum, becuase well, she is an alien with little if any familiarity with earth culture, Peridot has shown both positive and negative traits of being on the autism spectrum.

A common metaphor for high functioning autism is "imagine that you're an alien from another planet, with no idea how social interaction happens on earth." Some autism awareness groups have taken the metaphor and un with it, and some groups have even gone so far as to use an LGM as their symbol.

[LaZodiac]

There's another level to that, by the way.

While I'm hesitant to comes out and say that she's on the spectrum, becuase well, she is an alien with little if any familiarity with earth culture, Peridot has shown both positive and negative traits of being on the autism spectrum.

A common metaphor for high functioning autism is "imagine that you're an alien from another planet, with no idea how social interaction happens on earth." Some autism awareness groups have taken the metaphor and un with it, and some groups have even gone so far as to use an LGM as their symbol.

As someone who is on that spectrum (I don't tend to talk about it...ever) I can say flat out that Peridot is my favorite gem in part BECAUSE of that. I relate to her far, far too much than I probably would care to admit.

[DigoDragon]

Also, I guess the episode after Steven Floats will be Too Short To Ride. There were two video clips released through the Cartoon Network Anything App-- here's one of them:

Cute. My brother had a giant alien plush like that once.



While I'm hesitant to comes out and say that she's on the spectrum, becuase well, she is an alien with little if any familiarity with earth culture, Peridot has shown both positive and negative traits of being on the autism spectrum.

A common metaphor for high functioning autism is "imagine that you're an alien from another planet, with no idea how social interaction happens on earth." Some autism awareness groups have taken the metaphor and un with it, and some groups have even gone so far as to use an LGM as their symbol.

Well the parallel seems to work for some. Relatable characters are always a good thing.

[Rater202]

You know, I d have to admit that seeing a character that can even be loosely interpreted as an accurate example of a moderate to high functioning Autie or Aspie in television, especially when it's a positive depiction, always makes me smile.

Again, I don't know if Peri-dactyle is meant to be representative of it or not(despite her fitting pretty well) and even though it fits her well, I'm hesitant to make a diagnosis because I'm not a trained psychiatrist and everything about her that fits could be explained by the fact that she's an alien with no knowledge of earth or modern humanity, but her interactions with the Gems in late season 2 and season 3, as well as her character development, all really bring a warm feeling to my heart.

[The Fury]

You know, I d have to admit that seeing a character that can even be loosely interpreted as an accurate example of a moderate to high functioning Autie or Aspie in television, especially when it's a positive depiction, always makes me smile.

Again, I don't know if Peri-dactyle is meant to be representative of it or not(despite her fitting pretty well) and even though it fits her well, I'm hesitant to make a diagnosis because I'm not a trained psychiatrist and everything about her that fits could be explained by the fact that she's an alien with no knowledge of earth or modern humanity, but her interactions with the Gems in late season 2 and season 3, as well as her character development, all really bring a warm feeling to my heart.

I've been speculating that Peridot might be the best example of a typical Homeworld Gem for some time. My basic thinking is that most Gems seem to be made with a typical purpose in mind, so what would a non-aristocrat, non-military Gem be? Since Peridots seem to be made to build, operate and maintain the tech that Homeworld relies on, it doesn't seem that unreasonable that they'd be one of the more numerous Gem types, (maybe even more so than Rubies.)

Though now you have me thinking that "typical" might not be a very good way to describe her. For one thing is our Peridot an ordinary example of her Gem type? If so, maybe all Peridots are somewhere on the spectrum. There might be a good reason for making them that way on purpose-- the main drawback is that they wouldn't be very good at being social, but maybe they're not expected to be. If that's the case, Homeworld Gems might not think of Peridots as average Gems so much as "Those weirdos that you call when you need your antique Wailing Stone fixed," and don't feature very prominently in Gem society.

There's other things to take into account as well, our Peridot is implied to be very young by Gem standards. She's got facts about things but not much in the way of actual life experience, which is another reason why she might be so socially awkward.

[Lord Raziere]

There's other things to take into account as well, our Peridot is implied to be very young by Gem standards. She's got facts about things but not much in the way of actual life experience, which is another reason why she might be so socially awkward.

Actually a very big defining trait of the autistic condition is that it manifests early in life, aka childhood to teenage years. much of what an autistic person must learn are social skills, so the more life experience, generally the more likely a high-functioning autistic can function in society without anyone being able to tell the difference. sure the different wiring of the brain persists all throughout life, but one can learn to be social nevertheless like any other person. high functioning Autistics just don't have a natural talent for it like most people, and thus don't pick it up as quickly.

so its not really a separate factor.

[DigoDragon]

There's other things to take into account as well, our Peridot is implied to be very young by Gem standards. She's got facts about things but not much in the way of actual life experience, which is another reason why she might be so socially awkward.

Being stuck on an alien world with multiple strange cultures doesn't help with that. :3

[The Fury]

Actually a very big defining trait of the autistic condition is that it manifests early in life, aka childhood to teenage years. much of what an autistic person must learn are social skills, so the more life experience, generally the more likely a high-functioning autistic can function in society without anyone being able to tell the difference. sure the different wiring of the brain persists all throughout life, but one can learn to be social nevertheless like any other person. high functioning Autistics just don't have a natural talent for it like most people, and thus don't pick it up as quickly.

so its not really a separate factor.

Not normally, no. Though the only reason why I'm considering it one in this particular case is due to one of the more alien traits Gems have-- they're born, or rather created, as adults. Any given person likely has some experience of being social with another person. A Gem though? Not necessarily. In Peridot's case it might be that her interactions with other Gems were limited to delivering reports. Present facts and recommended course of action, obtain permission to proceed, get back to work. It might be that she's literally never once had a social interaction before meeting the Crystal Gems.

[Keltest]

Not normally, no. Though the only reason why I'm considering it one in this particular case is due to one of the more alien traits Gems have-- they're born, or rather created, as adults. Any given person likely has some experience of being social with another person. A Gem though? Not necessarily. In Peridot's case it might be that her interactions with other Gems were limited to delivering reports. Present facts and recommended course of action, obtain permission to proceed, get back to work. It might be that she's literally never once had a social interaction before meeting the Crystal Gems.

Depends on what we consider young though. Unless she was created specifically for the earth mission, she could be "young" and still have hundreds of years of experience under her belt. Amethyst is considered to be a fairly young gem, isn't she?

[Rater202]

Depends on what we consider young though. Unless she was created specifically for the earth mission, she could be "young" and still have hundreds of years of experience under her belt. Amethyst is considered to be a fairly young gem, isn't she?

If we assume that she's been making her logs most of, if not her entire live, and if we assume that log dates are linear, then she's anywhere from 7 to her twenties, depending on how you categorize...though that might be in "gem time,' We don't know how many earth hours it takes for homeworld to make a full rotation, nor what the gem calendar looks like.

[The Fury]

If we assume that she's been making her logs most of, if not her entire live, and if we assume that log dates are linear, then she's anywhere from 7 to her twenties, depending on how you categorize...though that might be in "gem time,' We don't know how many earth hours it takes for homeworld to make a full rotation, nor what the gem calendar looks like.

Someone once mentioned to me that she's four. He didn't offer any information on how he got that and I couldn't find anything that confirms this. Though Peridot's comments in Gem Drill about not having memories of Homeworld, despite being made there and implying that she's never had friends before made me think that maybe she was made specifically for the Earth mission.

As for the significance of the log dates... it could be that she's using fairly standard dates. It's implied to be late summer in the show now, so it's not too much of a leap to assume that "Log Date 7 15 2" might just be referring to the second log entry made on July 15th.

[LaZodiac]

Someone once mentioned to me that she's four. He didn't offer any information on how he got that and I couldn't find anything that confirms this. Though Peridot's comments in Gem Drill about not having memories of Homeworld, despite being made there and implying that she's never had friends before made me think that maybe she was made specifically for the Earth mission.

As for the significance of the log dates... it could be that she's using fairly standard dates. It's implied to be late summer in the show now, so it's not too much of a leap to assume that "Log Date 7 15 2" might just be referring to the second log entry made on July 15th.

During that episode she actually explains how the logs work. Anyone remember what she said?

[The Fury]

During that episode she actually explains how the logs work. Anyone remember what she said?

The only thing I remember as an explanation is the exchange between her and Garnet.

Garnet: "Log date, seven fifteeen two--"

Peridot: "No! You say 'seven one five two!'"

[Flickerdart]

This (http://imgur.com/gallery/5CzUF) is the most wonderful thing.

[Rater202]

This (http://imgur.com/gallery/5CzUF) is the most wonderful thing.

Hahahhahhaha!

[John Cribati]

Properly sourcing art and whatnot (http://mimicteixeira.tumblr.com)

[Rater202]

Properly sourcing art and whatnot (http://mimictexeira.tumblr.com)

Are you sure you did the link right? There's nothing there.

[John Cribati]

I have fixed it.

[Snowbluff]

Sounds like the next bomb is on the 18th.

[Rater202]

Sounds like the next bomb is on the 18th.

Yay!

...Not much of a Summer of Steven, however.

[LaZodiac]

Sounds like the next bomb is on the 18th.

Just give us the show airing regularly every Thursday please. Maybe THIS will lead into that happening? Please?

[Snowbluff]

Yay!

...Not much of a Summer of Steven, however.
I agree. It is a shame. I've become rather enamored with the writing and characters.

Just give us the show airing regularly every Thursday please. Maybe THIS will lead into that happening? Please?
Are you speaking to me or the staff?
http://data.whicdn.com/images/70629825/large.gif
Maybe I can make it happen... for a price.

[The Fury]

Just give us the show airing regularly every Thursday please. Maybe THIS will lead into that happening? Please?

...No, probably not. The lengthy hiatuses the show goes on started out as a running gag, now they're sort of part of the show's whole identity.

As long as we're sharing fan comics, (good one by the way, Flickerdart) here's one that I like. (http://tooneyd.tumblr.com/post/136909869893/the-true-power-of-yellow-diamond-neck-fuh-days)

[LaZodiac]

Maybe I can make it happen... for a price.

Gaaaaah Super Highschool Level DESPAIR. I have been destroyed.

[Ninja_Prawn]

As long as we're sharing fan comics, (good one by the way, Flickerdart) here's one that I like. (http://tooneyd.tumblr.com/post/136909869893/the-true-power-of-yellow-diamond-neck-fuh-days)

Crystal Jamie (http://peterwjdibble.tumblr.com/tagged/crystal-jamies) is the only fan art I'll ever need. ^_^

[The Fury]

Crystal Jamie (http://peterwjdibble.tumblr.com/tagged/crystal-jamies) is the only fan art I'll ever need. ^_^

Wow, gosh... My life will never be the same.

[Manga Shoggoth]

In the "life imitates ar... oh my god!!!" arena, I came across the following on El Reg today:


Boffins boggle, baffled by blobs deep inside the Earth (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/01/boffins_reveal_giant_mysterious_ancient_blobs_unde r_crust/)


Scientists have revealed new data about two giant blobs at the edge of the Earth's core, larger than continents and possibly older than any rock on the planet.

Unlocking the mystery of the blobs, known as thermochemical piles, could help reveal clue about the Earth's formation, volcanic eruptions, and earthquakes.

Sadly, The Register failed to make the obvious Steven Universe reference (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bskm1HwB_tg)...

[Rater202]

So, if a diferant Ruby fused with a diferant Sapphire, would that be second Garnet, or would that be a completly diferant fusion?

Also, I found a fanmade version of Rainbow Quartz that uses Steven instead of Rosehttp://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/steven-universe/images/9/9d/RainbowQuartz.png/revision/latest?cb=20150722205448

[LaZodiac]

So, if a diferant Ruby fused with a diferant Sapphire, would that be second Garnet, or would that be a completly diferant fusion?

Also, I found a fanmade version of Rainbow Quartz that uses Steven instead of Rosehttp://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/steven-universe/images/9/9d/RainbowQuartz.png/revision/latest?cb=20150722205448

From what I recall it would be A Garnet, but not ours.

[Ravian]

So, if a diferant Ruby fused with a diferant Sapphire, would that be second Garnet, or would that be a completly diferant fusion?

Also, I found a fanmade version of Rainbow Quartz that uses Steven instead of Rosehttp://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/steven-universe/images/9/9d/RainbowQuartz.png/revision/latest?cb=20150722205448

Not sure that the fusion would be a Rainbow Quartz. Steven is kind of already a fusion between Greg's DNA and Rose's gem. Thus Steven plus Pearl would be a different fusion entirely, because of that human side.

It will be interesting to see what Steven-Gem fusions will be like (assuming they are possible.)

[Rater202]

Not sure that the fusion would be a Rainbow Quartz. Steven is kind of already a fusion between Greg's DNA and Rose's gem. Thus Steven plus Pearl would be a different fusion entirely, because of that human side.

It will be interesting to see what Steven-Gem fusions will be like (assuming they are possible.)

Counter Argument: Steven's gem is still rose quartz. Every Gem/Gem Fusion has changed the component gems into a diferant gem type-Garnet's gems aren't a ruby and a sapphire, but a pair of garnets.

Steven isn't Rose Quartz, but he's still a rose quartz. So Steven fused with Pearl won't be Rainbow Quartz, but it might be a rainbow quartz.

[Ninja_Prawn]

Counter Argument: Steven's gem is still rose quartz.

I don't dispute your argument, but... is Steven a full Rose Quartz? I'm thinking about Lion here. Wasn't the working theory on Lion's origin that he contains some of Rose's essence (and therefore that Steven doesn't)?

[Manga Shoggoth]

I don't dispute your argument, but... is Steven a full Rose Quartz? I'm thinking about Lion here. Wasn't the working theory on Lion's origin that he contains some of Rose's essence (and therefore that Steven doesn't)?

I imagine there are a lot of theories, however, in the series we see that Lion contains a hill, a tree, a rock, a chest, one of Rose's tee-shirts, a bubbled gem...

(ahem)

I don't think Lion can be a "part" of Rose. From what we have seen in the series (mainly Lion 3 Straight to Video) Rose is clear that she and Steven cannot exist at the same time. Also Lion identifies as male (has a mane, which is characteristic of male lions), while Rose - and indeed, every humaniform gem we have seen so far - identifies as female.

I'd say that Lion is indeed separate. And yes, Steven is the effective fusion of Greg and Rose (one in the eye for Pearl...)

It is clear, however, that Lion has "something to do with" Rose - he is pink, he holds a number of her artifacts (including a tape she made for Steven). My suspicion is that Lion is Rose's Plan B: She can't be with her son, so she created (or befriended) Lion to make sure that Steven gets hold of certain items and/or information at the appropriate time (The sword when he is "old enough/ready", the tape when he starts to ask questions about her).

The mystery is why the other Gems didn't know about him - it wouldn't make sense that she didn't tell them about Lion - and I'm not even sure of that. In Rose's Scabbard we have the following exchange:

Pearl (confused): But How? Does Lion have something to do with Rose?
Amethyst (excited): Oh! Of course! That's why he's pink!
Garnet (deadpan): It's a little obvious...

From Garnet's reaction here there is just a hint that Garnet either already knew about Lion, or had already worked it out for herself. If the former, then I can see Rose telling Garnet (so that they don't treat Lion as a threat when he appears - which Pearl did initially in Steven's Lion), but not telling Amethyst (too "immature") or Pearl (too emotionally involved).

[DigoDragon]

In the "life imitates ar... oh my god!!!" arena, I came across the following on El Reg today:


Boffins boggle, baffled by blobs deep inside the Earth (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/01/boffins_reveal_giant_mysterious_ancient_blobs_unde r_crust/)

I wonder if it has any connection to the Earth's magnetic field?

[Manga Shoggoth]

I wonder if it has any connection to the Earth's magnetic field?

The article doesn't say, but clearly we must build a drill immediately.

[LaZodiac]

Speaking of which, the first episode of the new set of episodes is Steven Float's since that never apparentely aired in the States.

[Rater202]

I don't dispute your argument, but... is Steven a full Rose Quartz? I'm thinking about Lion here. Wasn't the working theory on Lion's origin that he contains some of Rose's essence (and therefore that Steven doesn't)?

There are dozens of theories about Lion.

My personal one is that Lion is a familiar that Rose created using a more advanced version of the "animate plants to fight for you" power that created the watermelon Stevens and one of the flowers from her moss-Lion doesn't look like a plant because he's a far, far more advanced construct.

Lion was originally created to, essentially, contain and protect her secret stash. Look at the objects contained within: In addition to the video and her sword, there is the Mr. Universe shirt that Greg gave her, Rose's battle Flag, a Treasure chest, a Picture of Rose and Greg together, and an unknown bubbled crystal that, judging on formation, is either a type of Quartz, Halite, or some type of metal(bismuth most likely, but gold of some sort is also possible)

Stuff she would want protected.

[Ravian]

Counter Argument: Steven's gem is still rose quartz. Every Gem/Gem Fusion has changed the component gems into a diferant gem type-Garnet's gems aren't a ruby and a sapphire, but a pair of garnets.

Steven isn't Rose Quartz, but he's still a rose quartz. So Steven fused with Pearl won't be Rainbow Quartz, but it might be a rainbow quartz.

Consider it like this.


Pearl + Rose = Rainbow Quartz

Pearl + Amethyst = Opal

Opal + Rose /=/ Rainbow Quartz


Thus logically:

Rose + Pearl = Rainbow Quartz

Rose + Greg = Steven

Steven + Pearl /=/ Rainbow Quartz

It's not a perfect analogy (mainly because we don't know any fusions involving Ruby or Sapphire that aren't Garnet or a bigger Ruby)

Steven may have the Rose Quartz gem, but his human side is not a zero sum where fusion is concerned (even if it is something of an anomaly.)

Steven is not his mother, regardless of how many of her powers he has. He is his own person, and thus any fusion resulting from him and another gem would have only a tangential relationship with Rose's fusions.

[Rater202]

Consider it like this.


Pearl + Rose = Rainbow Quartz

Pearl + Amethyst = Opal

Opal + Rose /=/ Rainbow Quartz


Thus logically:

Rose + Pearl = Rainbow Quartz

Rose + Greg = Steven

Steven + Pearl /=/ Rainbow Quartz

It's not a perfect analogy (mainly because we don't know any fusions involving Ruby or Sapphire that aren't Garnet or a bigger Ruby)

Steven may have the Rose Quartz gem, but his human side is not a zero sum where fusion is concerned (even if it is something of an anomaly.)

Steven is not his mother, regardless of how many of her powers he has. He is his own person, and thus any fusion resulting from him and another gem would have only a tangential relationship with Rose's fusions.

Consider it like this-Steven is not a Fusion of Rose and Greg-Greg still exists separately from Steven. Greg's human DNA serves simply to make Steven half human. In all other ways, he is essentially his mother's reincarnation(he explicitly has his mother's gem. He's not Rose Quartz, but he's a rose quartz.)

If we assume that a gem of the same type always forms the same type of fusion-that any ruby fusing with any sapphire will form a garnet, that any amethyst with any pearl will make an opal, then we can only assume that if Steven is capable of fusion with pure gems, then he woul count as a rose quartz, because even though he's not Rose, he is a rose quartz.

[The Fury]

I don't dispute your argument, but... is Steven a full Rose Quartz? I'm thinking about Lion here. Wasn't the working theory on Lion's origin that he contains some of Rose's essence (and therefore that Steven doesn't)?

I'm familiar with some versions of the theory, though the versions I'm familiar with seem to rely on either misinterpreting what Rose said in her video to Steven or her being a Fusion.

In the former case some theorists have point out that Rose says "I am going to become half of you..." and ask, "So what happens to Rose's other half? Did it become Lion?" Except, Rose nor anyone else said that half of Rose becomes half of Steven, she said that all of her became half of Steven.

I have issues with the idea of Rose being a Fusion similar to the ones I have to Jasper and the Diamonds being Fusions. Collectively I file those theories under "Everyone is a Fusion!" I even came up with a joke version along that general theme-- for Pearl.

Maybe you're familiar with a different version of the theory? The idea of Lion being an artificial construct that Rose created or a normal lion she somehow altered to have magic powers makes more sense to me. Though Lion's one of the big mysteries of the show-- not even the Gems that typically know about weird mysterious magic stuff seem to have any idea of just what he is or where he came from.

[Admiral Squish]

Idle thought: I wonder if Greg or Rose picked the name 'Steven'.

[Draconium]

Idle thought: I wonder if Greg or Rose picked the name 'Steven'.

I would guess Greg did. The whole concept of birth and naming the baby is a human concept - the Gems don't even have individual names, just sort of serial numbers. So it wouldn't have occurred to Rose to even consider naming the child before Greg brought it up, and I have doubts that she'd know any good human names. Of course, it's possible she could have done it, but I think it's more likely Greg picked out Steven's name.

[The Fury]

Consider it like this-Steven is not a Fusion of Rose and Greg-Greg still exists separately from Steven. Greg's human DNA serves simply to make Steven half human. In all other ways, he is essentially his mother's reincarnation(he explicitly has his mother's gem. He's not Rose Quartz, but he's a rose quartz.)


Sort of. Steven's half-human nature has made some typically normal Gem powers not work quite right. Though it's also been an asset a few times-- he isn't subject to the Gem Disruptor Fields or Gem Destabilizers. Fusion with another Gem might not produce a normal result either.


I would guess Greg did. The whole concept of birth and naming the baby is a human concept - the Gems don't even have individual names, just sort of serial numbers. So it wouldn't have occurred to Rose to even consider naming the child before Greg brought it up, and I have doubts that she'd know any good human names. Of course, it's possible she could have done it, but I think it's more likely Greg picked out Steven's name.

A case could be made for either one. In the case of a Gem you'd get a being that's one of many so deciding what to call her is easy-- That's an Onyx so we'll call her Onyx. In Steven's case, Rose would have to know that what's going to result isn't going to be a "Greg" or really Rose Quartz either, but something new and unique. Also, in her video she addressed her future son by name while Greg just called him "Baby," implying that maybe she knew what she wanted her son to be called before Greg did.

[Rater202]

Related thought.

Steven and it's cognates are derived from the Greek Stéfanos(Στέφανος), which is itself derived from στέφανος, which means "wreath, crown, honour, or reward" and literally translates as "that which surrounds or encompasses."

So, Steven's Name could mean "Crown of the Universe" or "He who encompasses the universe."

Connie's last name, Maheswaran, is Hindi for "Lord of the Universe."

Since it's very, very obvious that they're gonna end up together (if they aren't already), we have the Crown of the Universe/The Universe entire being shipped with the Lord of the Universe.
Edit: Discussion from SU wiki
So, I realised; in the episode Mirror Gem, Connie and Steven are talking. Connie tells Steven about how "school's out", and introduces him to the concept of school. He then has Pearl give him a class, but it then ends with Pearl showing him The Mirror. Steven has fun with it, realises it's sentient, and releases Lapis from the mirror. She then attempts to flee the Earth and return to Homeworld, succesfully doing so in the following episode, after Steven heals her cracked gem. Lots of episodes later, in The Return, Lapis returns, with Jasper serving as her escort and Peridot as her informant. They take the Crystal Gems into the ship on course for Homeworld, Garnet then defeats Jasper and crashes the ship. Lapis and Jasper fuse, Malachite is formed and then held captive at the bottom of the ocean. Peridot escapes, is captured, becomes smol, etc etc. She tells the Crystal Gems about The Cluster, and they start building the drill; then, Malachite returns, fights with Alexandrite and is unfused. While this happened, Steven and Peridot drill down to the Cluster with the purpose of destroying the Cluster, but they end up bubbling it instead, thus preventing the Earth from being destroyed, and preventing a colossal Gem Weapon from falling into the hands of Yellow Diamond.

TL;DR: Thanks to Connie telling Steven about school, the Earth was saved from destruction.

[Snowbluff]

I think if Steven fused with Pearl you would just get a different Rainbow Quartz...

[Keltest]

I don't think you would get (a) rainbow quartz if Steven were to fuse with Pearl. He may qualify as a rose quartz for the purposes of what powers he can get, but his biological nature has altered some of them in the past, especially the ones that involve the transmutation of his physical body. Personally, I think its unlikely that Steven can fuse with gems at all, but if it were to happen, the biological body would almost certainly not interact well with the hard light construct of a gem.

[John Cribati]

Connie's biological body very much interacts with Steven's half-hardlight construct.

[Ravian]

Connie's biological body very much interacts with Steven's half-hardlight construct.

True, it's kind of interesting that Steven's biological body is able to behave so similarly with the natural mutability of Gems. Hell, by all rights he shouldn't be able to shape-shift.

Really so far the only real limitation that we know full gems can do but Steven can't is regenerate in their gem. (I believe it was confirmed in a Tweet by the creators that he can't poof.)

My guess is that Steven's body is able to take on both biological and hard-light traits simultaneously. It's also possible that the reason he can fuse with humans is because he can partially convert other human bodies to his weird semi-hard light state.

That said, fusion is such a weird concept from a scientific (even soft-scientific) perspective. It may just be better to chalk it up to "Magic" and leave it be.

[Manga Shoggoth]

Consider it like this-Steven is not a Fusion of Rose and Greg-Greg still exists separately from Steven. Greg's human DNA serves simply to make Steven half human. In all other ways, he is essentially his mother's reincarnation(he explicitly has his mother's gem. He's not Rose Quartz, but he's a rose quartz.)

I'd disagree. Steven is a fusion, but not a gem fusion.

Gems fuse by combining to creating a new form. This form can be split up to return the original gems, and if a heterogeneous fusion is created it looks like it retains its memories if only from its components.

Humans "fuse" by mixing DNA to create a new human, retaining the original two participants. The new fusion cannot be split up.

Steven is a new type of fusion, combining the human method and the gem method. All of Rose is involved because a gem can't do it any other way, and a copy of Greg's DNA is involved, 'cause that's how humans do it.

[woweedd]

I don't think you would get (a) rainbow quartz if Steven were to fuse with Pearl. He may qualify as a rose quartz for the purposes of what powers he can get, but his biological nature has altered some of them in the past, especially the ones that involve the transmutation of his physical body. Personally, I think its unlikely that Steven can fuse with gems at all, but if it were to happen, the biological body would almost certainly not interact well with the hard light construct of a gem.
Not to mention, as the metaphor goes, Fusions are "a conversation" and I would imagine a conversation between Pearl and Steven to be very different from one between Pearl and Rose.

[Manga Shoggoth]

Not to mention, as the metaphor goes, Fusions are "a conversation" and I would imagine a conversation between Pearl and Steven to be very different from one between Pearl and Rose.

That's an interesting point - I suspect that this is more true for a heterogeneous fusion (eg: Garnet, Stevonnie) than a homogeneous fusion (eg: any number of rubies).

In The Answer, Ruby herself describes her previous heterogeneous fusions as "like me, only bigger", and is clearly surprised with the effects of a homogeneous fusion.

[Lizard Lord]

Not to mention, as the metaphor goes, Fusions are "a conversation" and I would imagine a conversation between Pearl and Steven to be very different from one between Pearl and Rose.

Not sure if this was ever mentioned before, and really doesn't have anything to do with the subject at had, but I would like to mention that if Garnet is made of love, than Malachite is made of hate. Which just goes to further show that Malachite was really never going to be anything other than a giant rampaging monster.

[John Cribati]

Personally, if a different Ruby were to fuse with a different Sapphire, I'm pretty sure we'd get a different Garnet. For all intents and purposes, Steven is just a different Rose Quartz.

[woweedd]

Personally, if a different Ruby were to fuse with a different Sapphire, I'm pretty sure we'd get a different Garnet. For all intents and purposes, Steven is just a different Rose Quartz.
Indeed. A Pearl/Steven Fusion might well be a Rainbow Quartz technically but a much different, both in appearance and personality, Rainbow Quartz then Pearl/Rose's version. Not to mention, while Steven does have the Rose Quartz gem, we don't know if that means he counts as just "another Rose Quartz" for purposes of Fusion. After all, his half-human nature has interfered with his Fusion(s) before. Who know's if it will again?

[John Cribati]

Well, they might call themself Stevearl, but I wouldn't be surprised that this hypothetical fusion would be similar to Rainbow Quartz.

[Xondoure]

Well, they might call themself Stevearl, but I wouldn't be surprised that this hypothetical fusion would be similar to Rainbow Quartz.

My bet is Pearl + Steven = Rainbow Steven. A Rainbow Quartz but with more human traits.

[Ravens_cry]

I would love to see a Pearl Steven fusion. :smallbiggrin: I think it would really help each other see the other in a new light. They have a very interesting relationship.

[DigoDragon]

Personally, if a different Ruby were to fuse with a different Sapphire, I'm pretty sure we'd get a different Garnet. For all intents and purposes, Steven is just a different Rose Quartz.

I believe his human half will have some affect on the end product. I see him as more than just another Rose Quartz.

[Ninja_Prawn]

They have a very interesting relationship.

The source of some of my favourite quotes in the entire show!

"Sometimes, you even sound like her."
"I like to watch you sleep."
"Why won't you let me do this for you, Rose?!"

[Coidzor]

I would love to see a Pearl Steven fusion. :smallbiggrin: I think it would really help each other see the other in a new light. They have a very interesting relationship.

I think they'd have to have their relationship develop in a new direction for that to ultimately be healthy for either of them and work out, especially given the whole most motherly of his surrogate mothers angle.

[Hytheter]

Related thought.

Steven and it's cognates are derived from the Greek Stéfanos(Στέφανος), which is itself derived from στέφανος, which means "wreath, crown, honour, or reward" and literally translates as "that which surrounds or encompasses."

So, Steven's Name could mean "Crown of the Universe" or "He who encompasses the universe."

Connie's last name, Maheswaran, is Hindi for "Lord of the Universe."

Since it's very, very obvious that they're gonna end up together (if they aren't already), we have the Crown of the Universe/The Universe entire being shipped with the Lord of the Universe.


You can tell it's been too long without an episode when people start scrutinising the etymology of characters' names.

[Xiander]

You can tell it's been too long without an episode when people start scrutinising the etymology of characters' names.

Now look what you did... now i'll be spending an hour looking up the eymology of every name in the show... Though the gems' names are rather easy to guess the meaning off...

:smallbiggrin::smallbiggrin:

[John Cribati]

You could take a look at what those gems represent...

In any case, a lot of people believe that Connie's name is a Romanized version of the Hindi name "Kahaani," which means "storyteller," and her father "Doug" is really "Durga," named after (one of?) the many-armed Hindu goddess (es?).

[The Fury]

That brings us to Dr. Maheshwaran-- once you know the meaning of her name, it's a really cool handle for a supervillain.

[LaZodiac]

That brings us to Dr. Maheshwaran-- once you know the meaning of her name, it's a really cool handle for a supervillain.

I didn't get it with Transformers Animated because Hasbro is evil and hates me directly but I hope we get some sort of Shattered Glass style episode. Even if it's just a dream. So that we can see supervillain Dr Maheshwaran.

[Draconium]

I didn't get it with Transformers Animated because Hasbro is evil and hates me directly but I hope we get some sort of Shattered Glass style episode. Even if it's just a dream. So that we can see supervillain Dr Maheshwaran.

... Great, now I'm starting to get an idea for this Shattered Glass Steven Universe. Though I'm curious if Steven would exist in that universe - I'd imagine a SG Rose Quartz would consider humans inferior, and I doubt she would've gotten close enough to allow Steven's conception. Unless he's the child of some other Gem in that universe, like Nadler or something. :smalltongue:

[LaZodiac]

... Great, now I'm starting to get an idea for this Shattered Glass Steven Universe. Though I'm curious if Steven would exist in that universe - I'd imagine a SG Rose Quartz would consider humans inferior, and I doubt she would've gotten close enough to allow Steven's conception. Unless he's the child of some other Gem in that universe, like Nadler or something. :smalltongue:

Shattered Glass Rose would probably create him as some kind of horrifying snatcher/infiltration unit thing. Sacrificing herself to create the ultimate stealth weapon.

[Draconium]

Shattered Glass Rose would probably create him as some kind of horrifying snatcher/infiltration unit thing. Sacrificing herself to create the ultimate stealth weapon.

:smalleek: That makes a terrifying amount of sense.

[The Fury]

Shattered Glass Rose would probably create him as some kind of horrifying snatcher/infiltration unit thing. Sacrificing herself to create the ultimate stealth weapon.

I gather "Shattered Glass" = "Evil Mirror Universe?"

Maybe we'd also get the alternate version of Connie that's the daughter of the benevolent Yellow Diamond, who sadly gave up her physical form. Also the version of Connie that's being raised by Jasper, Peridot and Lapis, (it's adorable.)

[LaZodiac]

I gather "Shattered Glass" = "Evil Mirror Universe?"

Maybe we'd also get the alternate version of Connie that's the daughter of the benevolent Yellow Diamond, who sadly gave up her physical form. Also the version of Connie that's being raised by Jasper, Peridot and Lapis, (it's adorable.)

It's a Transformers term. The symbolism of it is that it's looking into another world like a mirror...but everything is shattered and twisted. This is the Shattered Glass, where there is 80% more blue lasers and 70% more evil moustaches on robots.

That is an adorable idea holy ****.

[Rater202]

Pebles and Gemtlemen, we have Promo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgHBF4M1rzk)Starting the 18th, a Steven Bomb lasting the rest of the Summer.

In no particular order, we see Stevonnie, Steven and Lapis on a boat, Steven flying with Rocket Feet, Peridot hanging with Steven and Amethyst,Steven, Greg, and Pearl in tuxes doing some kind of show, and The Main Crystal Gems in the fire room about to do something or other.

I think the Last one is going to be Monster Reunion.

[Draconium]

Pebles and Gemtlemen, we have Promo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgHBF4M1rzk)Starting the 18th, a Steven Bomb lasting the rest of the Summer.

In no particular order, we see Stevonnie, Steven and Lapis on a boat, Steven flying with Rocket Feet, Peridot hanging with Steven and Amethyst,Steven, Greg, and Pearl in tuxes doing some kind of show, and The Main Crystal Gems in the fire room about to do something or other.

I think the Last one is going to be Monster Reunion.

I've noticed Connie (and earlier, Stevonnie) is wearing her father's jacket. Makes me wonder if he's going to feature semi-prominently in that episode. Also, Peridot has a tablet taped to her arm - maybe Steven gave it to her as a replacement for her screens?

[DigoDragon]

Also, Peridot has a tablet taped to her arm - maybe Steven gave it to her as a replacement for her screens?

So not cosplaying as a Fallout character? :smalltongue:
Hmm, wrist-mounted tablet isn't a thing in my neighborhood. I should get on that.

Pearl looks nice in a tux.

[Admiral Squish]

*ahem*
SQUEEE~

That is all.

[Coidzor]

Shattered Glass Rose would probably create him as some kind of horrifying snatcher/infiltration unit thing. Sacrificing herself to create the ultimate stealth weapon.

Steven as a genestealer, sent to infect the populace and create a bunch of semi-demi-hemi-gem-human hybrids. :smallamused:

In this universe he successfully hooks Sadie and Lars up after infecting them so they birth gem monster/human hybrids.

[LaZodiac]

I'm excited about the huge summer of steven if only because it means we'll get back to feeling like a regular tv show again. Just...every day instead o every week.

[Rater202]

I'm hoping that Monster Reunion ends with Centipeetle healed or at least tame.

Even partially healed would be nice--I want to know who she used to be.

[The Fury]

It's a Transformers term. The symbolism of it is that it's looking into another world like a mirror...but everything is shattered and twisted. This is the Shattered Glass, where there is 80% more blue lasers and 70% more evil moustaches on robots.

Ah. Yeah, sorry. I think I may have mentioned that a Transformers reference is generally lost on me, and I guess this just further demonstrates the point. Heck, I didn't even know until recently that my car would be an Autobot if she were yellow and had black stripes.


That is an adorable idea holy ****.

I agree, though it's not an idea I can take credit for.

Also, 'dat promo...

The bits that got me the most curious are the ones that show Pearl and Greg doing something together. Those two have kind of a weird relationship. I've speculated that Pearl might have a slight grudge with Greg over the fact that he was able to have the relationship with Rose that she wanted. I think she's trying to move past it, I like to think that stuff like them working on the van together in Reformed might be indicative of that.

[LaZodiac]

Ah. Yeah, sorry. I think I may have mentioned that a Transformers reference is generally lost on me, and I guess this just further demonstrates the point. Heck, I didn't even know until recently that my car would be an Autobot if she were yellow and had black stripes.



I agree, though it's not an idea I can take credit for.

Also, 'dat promo...

The bits that got me the most curious are the ones that show Pearl and Greg doing something together. Those two have kind of a weird relationship. I've speculated that Pearl might have a slight grudge with Greg over the fact that he was able to have the relationship with Rose that she wanted. I think she's trying to move past it, I like to think that stuff like them working on the van together in Reformed might be indicative of that.

Only thing I have to say here is "slight".

[Rater202]

In addition to Steven Floats, we've got five episode titles that seem to be the ones for the event. There's no info, but I still want to speculate.

Drop Beat Dad: I think we've all speculated that this is gonna involve Marty and Sour Cream.

Too Short to Ride: This is either the one with Peridot and Funland, or maybe Steven and Connie are too short for something and Fuse into Stevonnie to do it?

Mr. Greg: I want to say that this is the one with Steven, Greg, and Pearl in tuxes.

The New Lars: Lars either changes his look or changes his heart.

Beach City Drift: Race? Or Beach City get's shaken up and drifts out to sea?

[LaZodiac]

Keep in mind this is five episodes...of like 30. We're getting an entire SUMMER of Steven, every day weekday a new episode until September 1st.

[Rater202]

Keep in mind this is five episodes...of like 30. We're getting an entire SUMMER of Steven, every day weekday a new episode until September 1st.

I know, I'm just saying that those are the ones we've got so far.

[endoperez]

Keep in mind this is five episodes...of like 30. We're getting an entire SUMMER of Steven, every day weekday a new episode until September 1st.

What? 30?! ... Why?

It's nice! I personally like it. But it can't be good for the show's ratings.

What's up with this crazy schedule? Like, seriously.

[LaZodiac]

What? 30?! ... Why?

It's nice! I personally like it. But it can't be good for the show's ratings.

What's up with this crazy schedule? Like, seriously.

Because Cartoon Network saw the small but signifigent gain from he first Bomb and decided to ruin the show to make it better.

[John Cribati]

Stevenbombs pull ratings like nobody's business. Summer ratings are super-important to child-oriented channels, so CN pulls out its trump card and goes "you know what? Take it! It's all yours!"

Then they presumably toss the money around in the air and use it as confetti or something.

[LaZodiac]

Stevenbombs pull ratings like nobody's business. Summer ratings are super-important to child-oriented channels, so CN pulls out its trump card and goes "you know what? Take it! It's all yours!"

Then they presumably toss the money around in the air and use it as confetti or something.

As long as we can, as they said they WOULD, go back to weekly episodes after this. Please. Because this hiatus, this ENTIRE ****ING HIATUS SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME...could of not existed if we just did weekly episodes. There are enough episodes in this bomb for 8 weeks of the show basically.

I love this show but for christs sake this isn't the format it should be.

[John Cribati]

It's the format that produces money-confetti. Blame Capitalism.

[Ninja_Prawn]

As long as we can, as they said they WOULD, go back to weekly episodes after this. Please. Because this hiatus, this ENTIRE ****ING HIATUS SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME...could of not existed if we just did weekly episodes. There are enough episodes in this bomb for 8 weeks of the show basically.

I love this show but for christs sake this isn't the format it should be.

I agree. Sometimes I wonder if they're trying to kill it deliberately. It must be so demoralising for the Crew... :smallfrown:

[Admiral Squish]

I have to wonder. Is it better to watch the Summer of Steven to support SU, or is it better not to, to oppose the stupid scheduling?

[Ninja_Prawn]

I have to wonder. Is it better to watch the Summer of Steven to support SU, or is it better not to, to oppose the stupid scheduling?

Well the whole thing could get cancelled if the ratings drop, so not watching is probably not a good idea, at least if you're in the USA.

[LaZodiac]

I have to wonder. Is it better to watch the Summer of Steven to support SU, or is it better not to, to oppose the stupid scheduling?

In the same breath as "the Bomb format is garbage" I must also say "but if we don't support the show CN will kill the **** out of it" so we must. It is a thing we must endure.

[Admiral Squish]

Fair enough, it does seem kinda obvious in retrospect.
Seeing as how common these complaints are, you'd think somebody at CN would at least be aware of the problem with the bombs.

[The Fury]

Then they presumably toss the money around in the air and use it as confetti or something.

If I were absurdly rich I would totally do that. Next to a craps table, so I could declare, "Everyone's a winner!" Probably just the one time though, so I could cross it off the bucket list.


I have to wonder. Is it better to watch the Summer of Steven to support SU, or is it better not to, to oppose the stupid scheduling?

I dunno. It's dumb, but it's dumb in a way that got us new episodes daily. I think I can live with that. Especially since the crew will occasionally toss the fans tidbits to chew on during those long hiatuses-- like episode titles and whatnot. To be fair to the network, Steven Universe, Adventure Time and maybe Regular Show are probably the only shows in their lineup that can go on a long hiatus without diminishing their interest.

[Flickerdart]

Fair enough, it does seem kinda obvious in retrospect.
Seeing as how common these complaints are, you'd think somebody at CN would at least be aware of the problem with the bombs.
Scheduling decisions are never made with just one show in mind, or for that matter, with just shows in mind. Every network decision boils down to how it affects the bottom line. It's possible that CN wants to save new episodes of popular shows like Steven Universe to launch at strategic, critical times that support the run-of-the-mill lineup.

For example, if CN just signed a new advertising deal with, say, Hasbro, and Hasbro demands a certain amount of eyeballs within the first month or the contract is null. Having a Stevenbomb in your pocket is a really, really good way to hit the target if you're not sure your regular numbers can make it.

[Rater202]

In the same breath as "the Bomb format is garbage" I must also say "but if we don't support the show CN will kill the **** out of it" so we must. It is a thing we must endure.

Occasional Steven is better than no Steven at all.

Also ratings soar when new episodes of Steven air, so Steven Bombs and other spcial events makes mucho moneys for the CN, and the more Monies Steven makes for CN, the more new Steven we'll get(and also possibly higher budget for future seasons)

Would you rather have two and a half seasons leading up to a rushed half assed final, or seven seasons, a satisfying conclusion to the story arc, and a movie?

[Keltest]

Fair enough, it does seem kinda obvious in retrospect.
Seeing as how common these complaints are, you'd think somebody at CN would at least be aware of the problem with the bombs.

Whats a problem to you and I may not be (read: definitely is not) a problem for the people who schedule the shows. The bombs pretty much guarantee an audience, which means a lot for their bottom line. While I find it distasteful, I'm willing to tolerate it if it means the show continues to get made at the current quality level.

[John Cribati]

More Money for CN is more Steven for us. We sacrifice Steven on a regular basis to get Steven on a long-term basis.

[Razade]

More Money for CN is more Steven for us. We sacrifice Steven on a regular basis to get Steven on a long-term basis.

They've already been renewed for three more seasons. Not sure how much more Steven we need. The story has to end at some point.

[Rater202]

I think that the CN has decided to start Steven Universe events with Back to Back episodes the day the event's start.

Because Steven Floats is getting it's american release and will immediately be followed by Drop Beat Dad, at least according to one vid I saw.

[Phexar]

Entertainment Weekly just dropped quite a huge spoiler for the show. Hiding the link under a spoiler tag since it reveals it in the title.

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/07/07/steven-universe-uzo-aduba-bismuth
So... it really was a Bismuth in Lion's mane. I never saw this coming so soon. I wonder if Bismuth will be another regular/semi-regular like Peridot or not. Also it looks like she was the gem that poofed Lapis - just look at her design.

[Admiral Squish]

I would normally say I'd be fine with SU going on forever, but... I must admit, if it's a choice between it dying awesome or having it go on to become awful, I'd rather have the former.
Still, if we keep watching it, even once the show ends, there's a chance CN will learn from the example and make more shows like it.

Also, EHRMAHGERD, I need the SoS to start NOW, somehow it's harder to wait these last two weeks than it was to wait all those months...