What if someone managed to hybrid together all the 10 core dragon species?

[Conradine]

Red + Gold + Blue + Silver + Green + Bronze + Black + Brass + White + Copper.

What kind of creature would be born?

[DarkSoul]

An aspect of Io. Otherwise a Prismatic Dragon (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/dragonEpic.htm) makes sense if you're going high-powered.

Stats TBD, though I would likely allow it to choose its breath weapon type each time it used it. Maybe allow it to combine breath weapon types a number of times per day. Spellcasting progression would probably be weaker, something along the lines of green dragons.

[ExLibrisMortis]

By the half-dragon template, you get a dragon, pretty much exactly like the base dragon, just with an additional big stat boost, a few eclectic breath weapon uses, and extra immunities to a bunch of things.

If you're talking a more long-term breeding program, I think the hybrid would be watered-down in some aspects - highly resistant to all elements, but immune to none, and so on - with some nice arcane power, and probably stats in the gold dragon range. Dragons cross-breed extremely well, so I don't think there'd be any special mutations, size changes or incompatibilities.

[Honest Tiefling]

Is anyone else imagining an abomination of dragon parts with multiple heads screaming 'killllll meeeeeeeee'?

[Conradine]

Nah, that would be a chimeric monster or a patchwork sentient golem.
Hybrids tend to be more armonious. I guess it would look very similar to an aspect of Io, too.


But anyone could find a picture or painting of Io?

[Honest Tiefling]

Hybrids tend to be more armonious. I guess it would look very similar to an aspect of Io, too.

Was that a typo, or a pun? And if the hybrid is a result of cannoodling, I imagine whatever stock got introduced last would be more prominent unless dragon genetics are weird.

[Conradine]

No, no prominency.

Because you breed Red with Gold, then Silver with Blue, Green with Bronze ecc. then you breed the crossbreeds untill you have a dragon that have exactly 1 / 10 of blood of every core dragon.


And no, it wasn't a pun. When you cross breed dogs, the hybrids tend to have less extreme traits and to be stronger and more longeve.

[Honest Tiefling]

Because you breed Red with Gold, then Silver with Blue, Green with Bronze ecc. then you breed the crossbreeds untill you have a dragon that have exactly 1 / 10 of blood of every core dragon.

Except that you have five hybrids to then hybridize. Someone's going last. And you can't have a creature with EXACTLY 1/10th parentage without extra parents. But you could probably get close. If you wanted exactly 1/10th, magic might be better in which case you could probably just decide on what you think is best. Either something that resembles a Prismatic, or something that nature just gave up on and shapeshifts.

[Zancloufer]

Well True Dragons all have a number of similar stats. Their HD, saves, skills points and natural attacks are roughly based off their size and HD. Not 100% sure about size and age yet but their over all stats at medium size if you compile them look something like:

+5 Str/Con, +2 Int/Cha, +3 Wis, +8 Natural armour, Roughly 50ft walk speed, 160ft flight (Poor), 15ft Swim, 10ft burrow, 40% chance of Water breathing, 10% of Spider Climb/Ice Walking/Cloud Walking, ~10% Fire Immunity, ~40 Acid Immunity, 20% Electrical Immunity and 10% Cold Vulnerability! Yes statistically Core Dragons will most likely be resistant to Acid and vulnerable to cold! Also Wis is their best mental stat overall and they never seem to suffer a Dex penalty from size.

Things like size progression, caster level, SR, breath weapons etc seem somewhat based off CR as well as type and HD so that would take longer to compile . . .

[Bullet06320]

mongoose publishings slayers guide to dragons has rules for hybridizing dragons, though im not sure to the extent that your looking for

lifeblend spell from 2nd edition pages from the mages book is a spell that's you hybridized creatures, converting and tinkering with that could be helpful too

[avr]

Thoroughly crossbred dogs tend to end up with a similar look. Medium-large, brindled black/tan or black with tan parts. Probably crossbred dragons would zero in on some generic dragon look rather than the chimeric monster some above are imagining.

[Kelb_Panthera]

I can see a couple possibilities.

RAW 1: Nothing noteworthy. Each pairing yields a dragon that is a half <color X> <color Y> dragon, eg; a half-red gold-dragon or a half-green bronze dragon. Each new pairing would get you another variant of the same since it would be based on the base creature and the color of the other parent. The base creature may be templated but it's still one of the ten at its core. That is, the template wouldn't have any effect on each subsequent generation.

RAW 2: You end up with a half-dragon dragon wherein the base creature is one of the ten but the half is a freakin' rainbow, allowing all of the options related to color from the half-dragon template and giving a single iteration of the half-dragon stat boosts.

Common sense: you get a mut dragon. The average rather than the sum of all ten. Homebrewing will be required.

[Tiri]

You could use an Aspect of Tiamat for the base creature and apply half-dragon templates for all the good dragons to it. Have it take Dragon Breath so it gets all of its breaths every 1d4 rounds.

[khadgar567]

you can crossbreed with magic with one of the moongoose publising supplements but you need strongly optimized pc with epic luck to just try but if you do mate my hat is up to you cuz you have deity class balls in you

[Ruethgar]

Half Dragon Template+Template Class+Ritual Dragonspawn+Dragonic Class+Draconic Bloodline+Draconic Heritage that can get you 7.

Technically you could just maximize Bloodline for all of them onto a generic version of a Gold. That would reflect the different type's bloodline strength.

[khadgar567]

Half Dragon Template+Template Class+Ritual Dragonspawn+Dragonic Class+Draconic Bloodline+Draconic Heritage that can get you 7.

Technically you could just maximize Bloodline for all of them onto a generic version of a Gold. That would reflect the different type's bloodline strength.

encyclopedia arcane cross breeding is all you need type don't changes due all 10 of them are same type. I personalty advise effigy method but you need to kill them in same round so use recently hatch dragons and optimize the heck out of craft(scupluting) check so you can make effigies your self

All of this if you want the thing in game

[Conradine]

In Savage Species supplements, multiple racial archetipe simply stack.
Assuming we manage to breed together several human halfdragons, the final result would be...


Human tenth red / tenth gold / tenth silver / tenth blue / tenth green / tenth bronze / tenth black / tenth brass / tenth white / tenth copper dragon ( level 1 Fighter )
medium sized dragon
( base attributes for a lv 1 Fighter: Str 14, Dex 12, Con 13, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 8 )
( racial modifiers: Strenght +8, [Constitution, Intelligence, Charisma +2] x 10 )
Strenght 94 Dexterity 12 Constitution 33 Intelligence 30 Wisdom 10 Charisma 28
Attack: greatsword +43
Damage: greatsword 2d6+63
Armor Class: 56 ( 10 base, +1 Des, +40 natural armor, +5 chain mail; flat-footed 55 , touch 11 )
Initiative: +1 ( Dex )
Feats: Combat Expertise, Improved Disarm, Improved Trip
Pf: 21 ( 1d10 +11 )
Saving Throws: Fortitude +13, Reflex +1, Will + 0 )
Special Qualities: racial traits ( dragons ), immunities ( Fire, Cold, Acid, Electricity )

Challenge rating: 21 ( 1 class level + [2x10] archetipes )



Basically, that would be an impossibly tough opponent in melee, immune to every form of energy damage ( except Sound ), able to trip and disarm even epic-level warriors due his overwhelming strenght. Virtually impossible to push, trip or disarm, very hard to hit, but easy to take down with touch attacks , Sound effects or Will-based spells.

[Zancloufer]

In Savage Species supplements, multiple racial archetipe simply stack.
Assuming we manage to breed together several human halfdragons, the final result would be...


Human tenth red / tenth gold / tenth silver / tenth blue / tenth green / tenth bronze / tenth black / tenth brass / tenth white / tenth copper dragon ( level 1 Fighter )
medium sized dragon
( base attributes for a lv 1 Fighter: Str 14, Dex 12, Con 13, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 8 )
( racial modifiers: Strenght +8, [Constitution, Intelligence, Charisma +2] x 10 )
Strenght 94 Dexterity 12 Constitution 33 Intelligence 30 Wisdom 10 Charisma 28
Attack: greatsword +43
Damage: greatsword 2d6+63
Armor Class: 56 ( 10 base, +1 Des, +40 natural armor, +5 chain mail; flat-footed 55 , touch 11 )
Initiative: +1 ( Dex )
Feats: Combat Expertise, Improved Disarm, Improved Trip
Pf: 21 ( 1d10 +11 )
Saving Throws: Fortitude +13, Reflex +1, Will + 0 )
Special Qualities: racial traits ( dragons ), immunities ( Fire, Cold, Acid, Electricity )

Challenge rating: 21 ( 1 class level + [2x10] archetipes )



Basically, that would be an impossibly tough opponent in melee, immune to every form of energy damage ( except Sound ), able to trip and disarm even epic-level warriors due his overwhelming strenght. Virtually impossible to push, trip or disarm, very hard to hit, but easy to take down with touch attacks , Sound effects or Will-based spells.

Impossibly Tough? Not really. If you really go by the stupid RAW template stacking you also stack their LA/CR. Which you have in the bottom there. I mean you could force feed them to a Tarrasque to power level it considering Bit T (Which is considered horribly UP for his CR btw) can insta-hit and kill this guy while shrugging off his weak attacks.

Even a single level 5+ Tome of Battle character could one shot him with ease. Not sure how much EXP he would be worth though. I would think just averaging out dragon stats by type at a single size/age would work better. . .