Ghost of Storing

[Zsaber0]

If a ghost manifests with a Glove of Storing equipped, then uses that glove to store a corporeal item inside the glove, does this mean the item then crosses into the ethereal plane where the glove is and useable by the ghost?

EDIT: and has the Ghostly Grasp feat from Libris Mortis.

[Kelb_Panthera]

You can't store items you can't hold. If the item is corporeal the ghost can't pick it up.

[Gildedragon]

You can't store items you can't hold. If the item is corporeal the ghost can't pick it up.

Whay if the glove (or item) is coated in ghostwall shellac

[Zsaber0]

You can't store items you can't hold. If the item is corporeal the ghost can't pick it up.

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[Kelb_Panthera]

Whay if the glove (or item) is coated in ghostwall shellac

Nothing. Ghostwall shellac is only useful on solid structures.


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If the glove is a ghostly copy that is associated with the ghost itself, rather than an item picked up and donned after death, then it's on the ethereal (sort of) and recalling the item would put it in the ghost's hand on that plane.

If the glove is a piece of equipment acquired after death then it depends on whether the ghost picked it up from the material with ghostly grasp or if its something he got on his native ethereal plane. In the former case, the stored item will appear on the material when recalled (and the glove will fall to the ground when the ghost stops manifesting) and in the latter it will appear on the ethereal.

[icefractal]

The dual nature of ghosts does raise some odd situations. Like for example, what if you bring an object to the Ethereal plane, a ghost picks it up, manifests, and drops it. Is it now a permanently incorporeal object on the material plane? Can a different ghost pick it up if it later happens across it?

[frogglesmash]

You could argue that since the glove and the object are on different planes from each other the glove should be unable to affect the object. Then again, by RAW you need only be able to hold the item in question for the glove to work.
I think the best answer that satisfies both RAW and common sense is to allow the ghost to use the glove on objects so long as he has a way to hold them, but to have the objects remain on their original plane when brought out of storage. The reason I think this makes the most sense is that the description for the gloves says that the objects are "held in stasis and shrunk down so small within the palm of the glove that [they] cannot be seen." Nowhere is an extradimensional space mentioned therefore the glove never actually alters the object's spacial or planar location, but instead simply alters its physical properties.

[flamewolf393]

Upon manifesting, the ghost is now a physical creature. It picks up a physical object. It demanifests. It and all its gear (which includes anything wielded in hand) becomes ethereal.

Now, the glove of storing changes the mechanics/process, but not the end effect. A glove of storing is just like a bag of holding. It is a separate pocket plane of its own. You put the physical object into the glove, putting it into the *storage* plane. You and the glove move to the ethereal plane. You take the object out of the *storage* plane and into your current plane; it is now ethereal because you are on the ethereal plane.

Ghost manifestation is only complicated if you make it so by overthinking. The ghost is either on one plane or the other at any moment. Its gear is on the same plane it is.

[Necroticplague]

Upon manifesting, the ghost is now a physical creature. It picks up a physical object. It demanifests. It and all its gear (which includes anything wielded in hand) becomes ethereal.Simultaneously false and true. A manifesting ghost is physical on the Ethereal, and incorporeal (pretty much the opposite of physical) on the Material.


Ghost manifestation is only complicated if you make it so by overthinking. The ghost is either on one plane or the other at any moment. Its gear is on the same plane it is.

Flat out false. A manifesting ghost is simultaneously on the Material (partially) and Ethereal (entirely) planes.