Any way to trade away Wis to AC?

[Jowgen]

I'm making a character with a 2 level monk dip, but since I have dumped Wis, I have no use for the Wis to AC class feature. I have looked everywhere, but there don't seem to be any ACF or whatever for any class that trade away the Wis to AC bonus a monk gets.

Anybody happen to know some really obscure thing that would accomplish this? I don't even particularly care if the trade is worth it.

[Bobby Baratheon]

Ascetic mage switches it to Charisma, while Kung Fu Genius (I believe) switches it to intelligence. Both are feats. Carmendine Monk (another feat) also switches the AC bonus from Wisdom to Intelligence, but is somewhat inferior to Kung Fu Genius.

[Arael666]

There is a feat that chan change that to INT, Kung Fu Genious I believe.

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[Thrice Dead Cat]

Ascetic mage switches it to Charisma, while Kung Fu Genius (I believe) switches it to intelligence. Both are feats. Carmendine Monk (another feat) also switches the AC bonus from Wisdom to Intelligence, but is somewhat inferior to Kung Fu Genius.

It's been a while, but I think you have it backwards on Kung Fu Genius and Carmendine Monk. The latter allows you to count as having more monk levels for one of the various Monk class features while the former does not. Admittedly, CM does have slightly steeper requirements.

[Bobby Baratheon]

It's been a while, but I think you have it backwards on Kung Fu Genius and Carmendine Monk. The latter allows you to count as having more monk levels for one of the various Monk class features while the former does not. Admittedly, CM does have slightly steeper requirements.

That's entirely possible - I posted without checking the feats. I did just check, and CM is in fact the superior option for the reasons you mentioned. CM does stipulate specifically which monk abilities it affects, though, while KFG is a blanket Wis to Int. I don't think CM leaves anything important off the list, but it's possible.

[Doc_Maynot]

I can confirm, Kung Fu Genius makes you use Int in place of and all all Wis abilities on Monk.
However, you have to take it before, or during your first Monk level.

[Âmesang]

Would DRAGON Compendium's battle dancer be an alternative? It uses Charisma instead of Wisdom.

[Bobby Baratheon]

There's a paladin substitution level from Champion's of Valor that trades Divine Grace for Cha to saves. That may or may not be worth it, depending on your build.

[Necroticplague]

There's a paladin substitution level from Champion's of Valor that trades Divine Grace for Cha to saves. That may or may not be worth it, depending on your build.
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Er, Divine Grace IS cha to saves.

[Maxrim]

Bobby means Cha to AC.

[Bobby Baratheon]

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Er, Divine Grace IS cha to saves.

Whoops - forgot to finish that thought. The substitution level changes it from Cha-to-saves to Cha-to-AC.

[ILM]

But with limitations. It's an immediate action to activate and can be used 1/2 paladin class levels per day.

In other words, it sucks.

[Bobby Baratheon]

But with limitations. It's an immediate action to activate and can be used 1/2 paladin class levels per day.

In other words, it sucks.

Well, I didn't say it was amazing, did I? If you already have Cha-to-saves from another source (Say, Witch Hunter if OA is kosher with your DM), it could be worth it. Not an ideal solution to boosting AC, by any means, but situationally that could be a lifesaver. I wouldn't invest in it, but I thought I'd mention it for completeness' sake. I should have gone into more detail, though, for which I apologize.

[ILM]

No we're cool - I wasn't criticizing, just giving OP some extra info :). edit: admittedly, tinged with opinion.

[Troacctid]

Well, I didn't say it was amazing, did I? If you already have Cha-to-saves from another source (Say, Witch Hunter if OA is kosher with your DM), it could be worth it. Not an ideal solution to boosting AC, by any means, but situationally that could be a lifesaver. I wouldn't invest in it, but I thought I'd mention it for completeness' sake. I should have gone into more detail, though, for which I apologize.

I'd rather have Cha to saves twice. Stack it up.

[AnimeTheCat]

I'd rather have Cha to saves twice. Stack it up.

Does it work that way? If it does, I've been living my life all wrong this whole time...

[ExLibrisMortis]

Does it work that way? If it does, I've been living my life all wrong this whole time...
It stacks, if it's not from the same source. You can't get Divine Grace twice (from, say, Paladin of Freedom and Champion of Gwynharwyf), but you can stack Divine Grace and that hexblade ability (which only works against spells).

[Doc_Maynot]

So long as the bonuses are untyped and the class features have different names.