Undead planar travel

[Zsaber0]

These question are from the point of the caster being on the Material Plane, not the Ethereal plane.

Can ghost walk through a Gate spell? Can a ghost be plane shifted?

Is the ghost still incorporeal when on another plane? Does the ghost still exist on the Ethereal plane and it's manifestation point is just changed?

We aren't really using Coterminus planes rules.

[Flickerdart]

There is nothing forbidding a ghost from entering the Material Plane through any means, including a gate spell or plane shift.

Let's unpack all the sources of the ghost's incorporeality.



Size and Type
... It gains the incorporeal subtype.


So a ghost is incorporeal anywhere.



Manifestation (Su)
A ghost dwells on the Ethereal Plane and, as an ethereal creature, it cannot affect or be affected by anything in the material world. When a ghost manifests, it partly enters the Material Plane and becomes visible but incorporeal on the Material Plane.


When a ghost manifests, it transports itself to the Material Plane, and becomes incorporeal (again). Except when manifested, the ghost becomes vulnerable on the Ethereal Plane:



Manifestation (Su) (again)
... A manifested ghost remains partially on the Ethereal Plane, where is it not incorporeal ... The ghost’s incorporeality helps protect it from foes on the Material Plane, but not from foes on the Ethereal Plane.

Since this is under Manifestation and not Size and Type, we can conclude that it does not apply in the general case. The ghost's normal status is incorporeal on the Ethereal plane, and it can manifest to become corporeal on the Ethereal plane and incorporeal on the Material plane.

Thus, a ghost that enters the Material Plane is incorporeal (as per its subtype). It cannot manifest (because it is not on the Ethereal plane) but doesn't need to do so.

[Zsaber0]

But if a manifested ghost walks through a Gate spell on the Material plane, and the Gate goes to any other plane besides ethereal or material, what happens? Can it even move him to another plane since he is only partially on the material Plane? Would he still be incorporeal on that new plane?

I know all the stuff involving moving from material to ethereal planes and back. But what about the other planes.

[Flickerdart]

But if a manifested ghost walks through a Gate spell on the Material plane, and the Gate goes to any other plane besides ethereal or material, what happens? Can it even move him to another plane since he is only partially on the material Plane? Would he still be incorporeal on that new plane?

I know all the stuff involving moving from material to ethereal planes and back. But what about the other planes.
If a manifested ghost is hit by a fireball, it takes damage both on the Material and Ethereal planes, because there is only one ghost. Similarly, when it is affected by the gate spell, the whole ghost is affected, and moved to the destination plane. It is no longer on either the Material nor Ethereal.

[Segev]

Building off of previous posts in this thread, a ghost on any plane other than the Ethereal is Incorporeal, because they have the Incorporeal subtype. Because of the dual nature racial feature, on any plane that is coterminous with the Ethereal (like the Prime Material), they are on both planes at once, and they are not incorporeal on the Ethereal. If they are entirely and solely on the Ethereal (whether due to pulling back into it or being transported there somehow), they are not incorporeal. Presumably, they could push out from there to any coterminous plane where it intersects.

[Tiri]

Building off of previous posts in this thread, a ghost on any plane other than the Ethereal is Incorporeal, because they have the Incorporeal subtype. Because of the dual nature racial feature, on any plane that is coterminous with the Ethereal (like the Prime Material), they are on both planes at once, and they are not incorporeal on the Ethereal. If they are entirely and solely on the Ethereal (whether due to pulling back into it or being transported there somehow), they are not incorporeal. Presumably, they could push out from there to any coterminous plane where it intersects.

Wouldn't the ghost be incorporeal even on the Ethereal? Or does the Incorporeal subtype not work on the Ethereal?

[Florian]

Ghosts and such are already coterminous creatures, bound to the ethereal plane as well as the plane they died in. Trying to transport them from the ethereal plane is a bit futile as their dual nature would have them snap back to the plane instantly and the ethereal plane is coterminous everywhere.