3.5 custom weapon creation help

[Zakier]

Google-fu has thus failed me.

I've been researching and learning the 3.5 crafting system for my upcoming artificer and I seem to have hit a snag in the pricing system.

I am aware that it is only for estimating values but cannot determine final cost with dm adequately if I cannot come up with an estimation.

I believe my questions boil down to 3 and I'll provide the current item creation as an example.

The WoTC SRD states
"Multiple Different Abilities Abilities such as an attack roll bonus or saving throw bonus and a spell-like function are not similar, and their values are simply added together to determine the cost. For items that do take up a space on a character’s body each additional power not only has no discount but instead has a 50% increase in price."

Essentially the item I am crafting is a warforged Component similar to the arm bow.

Instead of firing crossbow bolts made by it it fires any bolt put into it like a normal repeating cross bow.

(Small) light repeating cross bow.

Cost 250 +Mwkwpn 300= 550

Now I want this item to have 2 dissimilar spells on it.

Spell 1: Masters Touch Spell level x Caster level x 2000 1x1x2000=2000 (Note from the SRD

" a continuous item has an effect based on a spell with a duration measured in rounds, multiply the cost by 4. If the duration of the spell is 1 minute/level, multiply the cost by 2, and if the duration is 10 minutes/level, multiply the cost by 1.5. If the spell has a 24-hour duration or greater, divide the cost in half.")

So this should be 4000 as masters touch has a normal duration of 1 minute/level

1x1x2000x2=4000 (Requires Craft Wondrous Item)

Spell 2: Use Active Unlimited Magic missle cl 5 1x5x2000=10000

Fires 3d4+1 magic missiles when firing the crossbow without a bolt.

If a crossbow bolt is loaded magic missle does not fire.

Adding this together we get 12000 (Not including crossbow base cost)

This item is Embedddd so it does take up a slot on the body. Should this mean it goes up 50% as per the SRD Note?

This would mean 18000 gp

When making this item do I also need to have and include the cost of Enhancement bonus's?
Should I make a +2 enhancement for this weapon along with it?

2 spells 2 enhancements

+2 of course costing 8000

If so it would be either 26000(18000+8000)

Plus the cost of masterwork weapon

550 go

How do i determine the damage on this?

Do the enhancement bonus's also give the +2 to hit/dam?

Or no because of the spells?

If someone could walk through the entire process explaining the reasons behind the decisions I would be grateful.

[Gildedragon]

A) why master's touch?
B) as to having it be an arm crossbow that has to be manually reloaded: just have it be so. Take the cost of the crossbow and just make it a component... So circa 400gp for that
The magic missile costs are fine as a separate item I think, though I'd need to focus over the math later. So 400+(Magic Missile item*1.5) seems about right. Maybe have the bow need to be magical to begin with...

[Zakier]

Think i finally got the price. Description of the item is

Artificer's wrist bow (+1)(CL5)
Weight 1 ½ lbs.
Range bolt 60ft/Missle 100ft(+10ft/CL)
Damage 1d6+1 19–20/×2
Piercing

This metal bracer is covered with fine lines and filigree. When activated (a free action) the filigree unfolds into a small repeating crossbow.

When fired this Armbow fires magic missle or a bolt. This version only fires 3 missiles at 1d6+1 per missle though some artificer's have made stronger versions.

Any artificer, with experience in Clockwork creation, Is proficient the use of this custom built bow.

This Armbow takes up the wrist/bracer slot and is considered a ready weapon if the user chooses so. It can be paired with a second and even modified to use stronger magics at a higher cost.

Requires Artificer, And Knowledge architecture and engineering DC 15

Requires Craft Wondrous Item, craft Wand and Craft Magical arms and armor.

Cost 31250 market price

Cost are based on
250+ 750 (Light repeating mithril crossbow)
(Masterwork included in mithril cost per DMG pg 284)

Enhancement bonus's +1
1x1x2000=2000
Hideaway Weapon Augmentation
( from RotW pg 171)
Cost 7,500 go

Magic Missle use active, no limit
Sl1 CL 5
1x5x2000=10,000

Masters touch SL1CL1 continuous
(Originally 1 minute per level)
1x1x2000=2000*2(original duration multiplier)
2000x2=4000

Let's add it together.
As the most expensive magic missle goes first. Then for each additional non similar effect were add the cost a 50% increase as per the creation guidelines.

10,000+(7500*1.5)+(4000*1.5)+(2000*1.5)= 30,250

Add in the base item at 1000 total

For 31,250 gp

An expensive bracer for a level 6 character. Well over the wealth by level.

Let's add deductions.

31250/2 (craft cost is half base cost)
15625gp
OK better but there are other considerations.
It's artificer restricted so 30%off

Extraordinary artisan reduced by 25%

Requires knowledge architecture and engineering to understand how it works mechanically (or a DC 25 raw int check):reduces cost 10%

Then my apprentice feat fit more 10%off

I prefer to do math order but the final value of the same regardless order you do in.


15625×0.7=10937.5
10937.5×0.75=8203.12
8203.12×0.90=7382.81
7382.81×0.90=6644.53

Remember to round up to the nearest copper (0.01) after each iteration

So the final cost is
6644.53

Or 6644 gold 5 silver and 3 copper

The additional reductions count towards XP as well (class/skill required)

[Gildedragon]

So couple things:
if going for light crossbow: don't make it repeating make it a Quick Loading one. Yes it is another +1 but it is handier and is overall cooler (storing 100 bolts instead of 5). Also you stop needing master's touch

If doing master's touch: drop the cost of it by at least 30% it is always to the same item... I'd go for 2000 gp tops, or if just making it a martial weapon, some 300 gp. After all either has far less versatility than a wand of Master's Touch (750 gp), and its use is only in combat, not all day, and 1 min is usually enough for 1 encounter; 2 encounters a day and it lasts about a month... my price would be more around 1500 for the effect

If keeping repeating: maybe tinker with giving that Path of War stance that let's you free summon copies of any non-enchanted bolt you got...
Then go for 5 different special material bolts: serren, silver, iron... Maybe, if DM amenable to it each bolt has a special wood shaft and tip (serren and purple mournlode; pandemonic silver +???; blood iron +???; starmetal + serren; and green steel +???)

[Zakier]

Not bad ideas. I actually plan to add to this later when my character can afford it. Switching magic missle to force missle or even better spells, since repeating crossbow it requires a clip for regular bolts. Replacing the clip is a1 round action. There was this quiver of anriel or something like that that made infinite arrows. I was thinking using it as justification make a clip with infinite bolts.