Ways around Intimidate Immunity

[TheCrowing1432]

Hey Im making an intimidate barbarian/champion of gwynharwyf

Imperious Command+Intimidating Rage+Never Out Numbered

Problem obviously is creatures immune to fear/mind affecting.

Is there a way around this? Preferably in a magic item because feats and classes are a bit tight for the build.

[Venger]

No. The only ways to ignore fear immunity are dread witch's greater master of terror and horrific aura and song of the dead, neither of which affect the intimidate skill.

[Thurbane]

IIRC correctly, I've seen some people argue that Intimidate isn't a "mind affecting attack" as such, so while Fear Immunity would specifically block it, but generic immunity to mind-affecting may not.

Not saying I agree with either ruling, just that I have seen it hotly debated in the past.

[sleepyphoenixx]

IIRC correctly, I've seen some people argue that Intimidate isn't a "mind affecting attack" as such, so while Fear Immunity would specifically block it, but generic immunity to mind-affecting may not.

Not saying I agree with either ruling, just that I have seen it hotly debated in the past.
There's been a lot of ruleslawyering about this, but i'll try to summarize what i remember of the arguments. The quote from the section on fear goes like this:

All fear attacks are mind-affecting fear effects.
The only place i know of where "attack" is defined is the invisibility spell:

For purposes of this spell, an attack includes any spell targeting a foe or whose area or effect includes a foe. (...)
There is the "for purposes of this spell" clause as a possible loophole, but the definition is generally agreed on.

Now the main argument is that Intimidate is never explicitly named as a fear effect. Just that

A character immune to fear can’t be intimidated, nor can nonintelligent creatures.
Some people take that to mean that intimidate is a fear effect (all of which are mind-affecting) and thus blocked by mind-affecting immunity.
Others interpret it as intimidate specifically being blocked by fear immunity despite not being a mind-affecting fear effect, so mind-affecting doesn't do anything to protect from it.

Make of it what you will.