3.5 Vehicle Discussion thread

[daremetoidareyo]

I figure that there isn't a comprehensive vehicle handbook. So we might as well craft the resource.

During the Optimize this feat #9 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?493792-Optimize-this-Feat-9-Races-of-Faerun-s-Animal-friends-p-161&highlight=animal+friends) feat, I came up with the idea of using toads as dray animals & using shared fury or mounted fury + bear warrior to turn them into bears. Mounted Fury wouldn't work, unless the animals in question could count as mounts while pulling a vehicle. Then I started looking into 3.5 vehicles deeper. And boy are they lacking a bit. So I compiled a list of them that I could find with casual searching and populated a spreadsheet with it. What are the useful bits of information to sort the vehicles by? Speed, ram damage, crew size, relevant skill for piloting?

The next step is to collate the vehicle augments.

For Eberron Airships in depth: this resource is helpful (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=14914.0)

So here's the list. Did I miss anything?



Name
Source
Page


Carriage
PHB
132


Cart
PHB
132


Galley
PHB
132


Keelboat
PHB
132


Longship
PHB
132


Rowboat
PHB
132


Sailing Ship
PHB
132


Sled
PHB
132


Wagon
PHB
132


Warship
PHB
132


Two Person Chariot
S&F
78


Halfling War Wagon
S&F
79


Astral Skiff
PlHB
72


Ethereal Tunneler
PlHB
73


Gate Zeppelin:
PlHB
73


Living Astral Ship:
PlHB
73


Planar Sailer
PlHB
73


Cargo Kite:
RotW
169


Keelboat
A&EG
52


Launch
A&EG
52


Catamaran
A&EG
52


Sailing Ship
A&EG
53


Longship
A&EG
53


Yacht
A&EG
53


lronclad
A&EG
53


Gnome Submersible
A&EG
54


Barge
A&EG
54


Galley
A&EG
54


warship
A&EG
54


Hang Glider
A&EG
54


Ornithopter
A&EG
54


Zeppelin
A&EG
55


Dirigible
A&EG
55


Carriage
A&EG
55


Cart
A&EG
55


Chariot, Single:
A&EG
56


Chariot, Double:
A&EG
56


Mobile Redoubt:
A&EG
56


Siege Tower, Large
A&EG
56


Siege Tower, Small:
A&EG
56


Sled
A&EG
57


Stagecoach
A&EG
57


Wagon:
A&EG
57


Worg Warsled:
A&EG
57


Halfling War Wagon
A&EG
57


Siege Tower War Wagon
A&EG
58


Dwarven Tunneler
A&EG
58


Forest Crawler:
A&EG
58


Kanto’s Lament:
A&EG
59


Nautilus
A&EG



Shadow Carriage:
A&EG
59


Sled:
FB
81


Worg Warsled:
FB
81


Ice Sled-Wagon:
FB
82


Sailing Ice Ship:
FB
82


Sailing Ice Warship:
FB
82


Iceberg:
FB
82


Skyberg:
FB
82


Coldfire Ship:
FB
82


Cloudskate:
SSt
104


Frame Wheel:
SSt
104


Sand Skiff:
SSt
104


Sand Schooner:
SSt
104


Sand Galley:
SSt
104


Sledge:
SSt
104


Drogue Wing:
RoF
159


Barge

StW
98


Caravel (Sailing Ship)
StW
98


Cog
StW
98


Coracle
StW
99


Dhow
StW
99


Dromond
StW
99


Dugout
StW
100


Elf Wingship
StW
100


Galley
StW
100


Greatship
StW
100


Ironclad
StW
100


Junk
StW
100


Keelboat
StW
101


Launch
StW
101


Longship
StW
101


Pinnace
StW
101


Raft
StW
102


Rowboat
StW
102


Theurgeme
StW
102


Trireme
StW
102


War Canoe
StW
103


Cable Spool, Cable & Harness System
SS
46


WitchBoat/Warboat
Unapproachable East
57


Soarwood
ECS
124


AirShip
Explorer's Handbook
30


Elemental Land Cart
Explorer's Handbook
33


Lightning Rail
Explorer's Handbook
33


StormShip
Explorer's Handbook
38


Undersea Ship
Explorer's Handbook
40


Wind Galleon
Explorer's Handbook
40


Lhazar Sea Galleon
Explorer's Handbook
42


Lyrandar Sailing ship
Explorer's Handbook
42


Orien Coach
Explorer's Handbook
42

[Troacctid]

Speed, size, and price come to mind, I guess.

[arclance]

A Soarwhale (Arms and Equipment Guide pg.89) can be trained like a mount to carry a Gondola or Howdah.
They fly (20 ft. Good), are Colossal size, and have a light load of 44,736 lb..
A young Soarwhale costs 10,000gp and training it costs a further 500gp.
This makes them basically a zeppelin with a living lift bag.

[daremetoidareyo]

reminder to self, raptoran gear from RotW

[mabriss lethe]

Secrets of Xen'drik had the firesled (SoX, pg. 146)

[daremetoidareyo]

Secrets of Xen'drik had the firesled (SoX, pg. 146)

This is an example why you guys are great.

Man that thing looks like an awesome thing to drop on the PCs via a loan from a powerful good guy for a first adventure, in a "kill as many orcs on this giant battle map as you can" sort of way.

As for the soarwhale, What is a gondola? No stats for it.

[Jowgen]

Are you intending to include Dragon and Dungeon magazine stuff? Because if so, there are some flying Gith war machines and the 3.5 spelljammers.

[daremetoidareyo]

Are you intending to include Dragon and Dungeon magazine stuff? Because if so, there are some flying Gith war machines and the 3.5 spelljammers.

I'll make a post about them once a little more of this collating occurs, if folks can get me issue numbers. I'm not pdf diving into those things

[Fizban]

Might want to make note of the differences between the AaEG and Stormwrack in vehicle rules, there's a couple small changes that are very important for comparing the vehicles. And as always I hate that airship link for the many many things it has wrong, but I'm not gonna dig up my old posts unless someone actually asks for it.

[Jowgen]

I'll make a post about them once a little more of this collating occurs, if folks can get me issue numbers. I'm not pdf diving into those things

Gith: Astral Brig, Astral Skiff & Planar Raider vehicles, Dragon 309 p. 75.
Spelljammer: Various space-ships made by Illithids, Drow/Neogi, Humans, Elves and Gnomes; found in Shadow of the Spider moon which was published as part of Dungeon #92 (which doubled as Polyherdon #151).

Actually, if you don't want to touch Dungeon, you can instead include these:SquidShip and Tradesman (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ae/20030821a). They're entirely seperate but seemingly in line with the SpiderMoon spelljammer stuff.

EDIT: I should note, the Gith stuff adheres to the A&E rules, as do the online spelljammers, but the Dungeon spelljammers have their own rule set.

[daremetoidareyo]

Note for later: Ice ship from FB and Mordenkainen's capable caravel (StW)

[Bronk]

There are the shadow walking Shadow Wagons from the Itinerant Bazaar.

Dragon 331 has an article about wondrous vehicles although I always thought the Beholder Globe (a hollowed out dead beholder that can be flown around using a few of it's eye beams) was the coolest. Here's the full list:

Beholder Globe
Chariot of Sustarre
Dragonfly Longship
Dune Yacht
Longship of Dread Shade
Palanquin of Beguilement
Smuggler's Wagon
Snipers Carriage
Worm Raft

[trikkydik]

monsters manual 2 has this thing called a "juggernaut"

It's more of a living creature, but man would it be fun to ride around on top of.

[mabriss lethe]

MM4 Also has a clockwork steed

[ben-zayb]

What is a gondola? No stats for it.
I'm sorry, but this quote is just too funny abd accurate in summing up the D&D RAW experience.


I don't have much to add, except to note that there's at least one spell (Planar Navigation, Sto) that requires the use of a vehicle. Oh, and wasn't there a monster that is a bit like a vehicle? Siege Crab from MM3 or MM5, I think.

[TotallyNotEvil]

Now some sort of Handbook would be fantastic. Have you guys that actively played with those vehicles and their associated rules found them to be reasonable and/or balanced?

[daremetoidareyo]

Now some sort of Handbook would be fantastic. Have you guys that actively played with those vehicles and their associated rules found them to be reasonable and/or balanced?

This feedback would be great. Particularly the chariot feats in sword & fist.

[tsj]

You should include vehicles from all time Erasmus. Also sci-fi. ..

[daremetoidareyo]

diving bell from stormwrack is missing

[arclance]

As for the soarwhale, What is a gondola? No stats for it.
The Gondola is a passenger compartment hung underneath it and is shown in its picture with its statblock.
http://cdn.tabletitans.com/img/bestiary/Soarwhale.jpg
The Howdah is a passenger compartment mounted on top of it.
Those are just dictionary definitions of what they are.
Rules wise you can move around in the passenger compartment as if the soarwhale was not actually technically a mount, no ride checks required.

Riding a trained soarwhale requires a gondola or howdah.
A soarwhale can fight while carrying a rider.
Riders and passengers may fight with no need for Ride checks.