Should the Water Count as Fire, or as Water?

[Ninjattack]

Here's the situation. In our session we have a ninja that befriended a Very Young Imperial Sea Dragon (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/dragons/dragon/-imperial-sea/sea-dragon-very-young). The party with said ninja came along a Fire Phantom (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/undead/fire-phantom). The Very Young Imperial Sea Dragon then used its Torrent Breath, which is defined as follows:

Torrent Breath (Su)
Instead of a cone of super-heated steam, a very young or older sea dragon can breathe a line of pressurized water twice the length of the sea dragon's cone breath weapon. This line deals bludgeoning damage.

And I might be wrong but I recall for some reason that this attack also counts as fire damage or something though. And Fire Phantoms are immune to fire. However, technically the dragon is just breathing super heated water.

So, should the attack be counted as water or fire? Would the fire phantom be immune to it or no?

[Extra Anchovies]

Well, "immune to fire" doesn't only refer to damage from fire, but from heat in general. Lava and the Heat Metal spell deal fire damage and do not involve actual fire, and fire-damage-immune creatures don't take damage from them. Same goes for torrent breath the sea dragon's breath weapon. If the fire phantom's stats said it was immune to the effects of fire but not of other heat sources, then it would be harmed by torrent breath the breath weapon.

[denthor]

Here's the situation. In our session we have a ninja that befriended a Very Young Imperial Sea Dragon (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/dragons/dragon/-imperial-sea/sea-dragon-very-young). The party with said ninja came along a Fire Phantom (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/undead/fire-phantom). The Very Young Imperial Sea Dragon then used its Torrent Breath, which is defined as follows:

Torrent Breath (Su)
Instead of a cone of super-heated steam, a very young or older sea dragon can breathe a line of pressurized water twice the length of the sea dragon's cone breath weapon. This line deals bludgeoning damage.

And I might be wrong but I recall for some reason that this attack also counts as fire damage or something though. And Fire Phantoms are immune to fire. However, technically the dragon is just breathing super heated water.

So, should the attack be counted as water or fire? Would the fire phantom be immune to it or no?

In your summary of the damage says.... bludgeoning damage.. compare to the Ice Storm spell 1/2 is bludgeoning damage that has no way to save from unless you are immune.

I have one DM say that fire resistance works another said who has protection from steam? Your choice

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[InvisibleBison]

As I see it, the key bit is that the Torrent Breath is dealing bludgeoning damage, not fire damage. This means that it's spewing forth a gout of high-pressure water. The temperature of the water isn't relevant, because the target is being pummeled by the force of the stream of water.

[DarkSoul]

According to the link you posted for the dragon, it has two breath weapons, a 30' cone or a line for torrent breath. The cone is steam and deals fire damage, the line is not, and just deals bludgeoning damage.

[Morcleon]

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Torrent Breath (Su)
Instead of a cone of super-heated steam ... a line of pressurized water ... This line deals bludgeoning damage.

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So, should the attack be counted as water or fire? Would the fire phantom be immune to it or no?

It's water that deals bludgeoning damage. The fire phantom would not be immune unless it has immunity to water-based attacks or immunity to bludgeoning damage.

[BowStreetRunner]

According to the link you posted for the dragon, it has two breath weapons, a 30' cone or a line for torrent breath. The cone is steam and deals fire damage, the line is not, and just deals bludgeoning damage.

Correct. Under Special Attacks there is a comma between Breath Weapon and Torrent Breath. Breath weapon deals fire damage. Torrent Breath shoots pressurized water INSTEAD of super-heated steam and just does bludgeoning damage.

[Ninjattack]

It's water that deals bludgeoning damage. The fire phantom would not be immune unless it has immunity to water-based attacks or immunity to bludgeoning damage.


Correct. Under Special Attacks there is a comma between Breath Weapon and Torrent Breath. Breath weapon deals fire damage. Torrent Breath shoots pressurized water INSTEAD of super-heated steam and just does bludgeoning damage.

Okay, that makes way more sense. Thanks guys for the clarification!:smallsmile: