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WielderofFlame
2016-08-13, 03:39 PM
I'm building a psion/tashalatora I am looking for a way to add my intelligence to my attack and damage rolls. The only thing I could find is control body but I can't target myself with that can I? Any other ideas would be welcome along with an answer to this question. thank you!

InvisibleBison
2016-08-13, 03:54 PM
Looking at the power description, I don't see why you can't target yourself, provided you're humanoid-shaped. The only potential pitfall is that, since it's a duration:concentration power, you have to spend a standard action each round maintaining it and you can't manifest another power while it is in effect.

martixy
2016-08-13, 03:59 PM
Yes, as far as I know.

It's actually the basis of one of the more amusing Psion tricks (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?177889-Brainstorm-for-Psionic-Tricks-Tactics-and-Combos-Handbook) for abusing the action economy - the so called "Move by wire".

WielderofFlame
2016-08-13, 04:04 PM
Thanks invisible, that's what I thought it just seemed too fun to be true

Necroticplague
2016-08-13, 04:13 PM
Sure you can. As long as you're a valid target, and within range, you can use it on them. So as long as you meet the 'humanoid physiology', you're good (since it's generally very hard to be farther than 100+10/PL feet from yourself). Not that the spell requires concentration, so you have to roll under some conditions (including, most notably, taking damage).

MisterKaws
2016-08-13, 05:08 PM
Yes, and the AC bonus does stack with Kung-Fu Genius.

martixy
2016-08-13, 06:04 PM
Yes, and the AC bonus does stack with Kung-Fu Genius.

If you can get away with Martial monk, it gets even more fun.

Starbuck_II
2016-08-14, 08:29 AM
Remember you can have your Psi-crystal hold a concentration for you with a feat. So that would let you do this.

Ashtagon
2016-08-14, 08:44 AM
Seems good to me, The main drawback is that you lose any attacks of opportunity you might have had. As the previous poster noted, try to hand off your concentration maintenance standard actions to your psicrystal.

MaxiDuRaritry
2016-08-14, 08:48 AM
Remember you can have your Psi-crystal hold a concentration for you with a feat. So that would let you do this.A power, actually. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/solicitPsicrystal.htm)

[edit] This (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=19788955&postcount=274) shows how useful the control body trick can be, though I think it's more useful for ranged combat than melee, specifically because of the loss of AoOs. You can fire off metapsionicked rays, and your psicrystal can fire off shots from a bow. Just make sure to do it on separate initiative counts so it doesn't force Concentration checks on you.

InvisibleBison
2016-08-14, 09:28 AM
A power, actually. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/solicitPsicrystal.htm)

[edit] This (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=19788955&postcount=274) shows how useful the control body trick can be, though I think it's more useful for ranged combat than melee, specifically because of the loss of AoOs. You can fire off metapsionicked rays, and your psicrystal can fire off shots from a bow. Just make sure to do it on separate initiative counts so it doesn't force Concentration checks on you.

I don't think this trick works. You use your Int bonus for damage when making the target do something, and control body can only make the target do physical actions.

MaxiDuRaritry
2016-08-14, 11:07 AM
I don't think this trick works. You use your Int bonus for damage when making the target do something, and control body can only make the target do physical actions.It can only make the target do physical actions, sure. But it also says, "If you force the subject to engage in combat, its attack bonus is equal to your base attack bonus + your Intelligence bonus, and its bonus on damage rolls is equal to your Intelligence bonus." No qualifiers. So long as the power is in effect and the controller spends actions controlling, you gain +Int to stuff.

InvisibleBison
2016-08-14, 11:34 AM
It can only make the target do physical actions, sure. But it also says, "If you force the subject to engage in combat, its attack bonus is equal to your base attack bonus + your Intelligence bonus, and its bonus on damage rolls is equal to your Intelligence bonus." No qualifiers. So long as the power is in effect and the controller spends actions controlling, you gain +Int to stuff.

"If you force the subject to engage in combat" is the qualifier. The +Int to stuff only applies on actions you force the subject to make, and you can't force the subject to manifest powers, so if you manifest the power on yourself you don't get +Int on your power damage.