Summon furniture?

[Snappy]

After taking an interest in Bloodstained: RotN, I came across some art of the main character sitting in a spectral chair, enjoying some tea. This got me thinking: is there a spell or magic item that conjures phantom chairs or anything similar? I feel like that would make an awesome addition to any stronghold that my players or I create.

[Bakkan]

Heores' feast (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/heroesFeast.htm) conjures a table and chairs as well as the feast. They're created though, so not spectral.

[Snappy]

Yeah, but I'm just thinking of a spell that makes some ghostly chairs that serve no other purpose than to take a load off. If it doesn't exist, I'm thinking of making it. I'm thinking that it would be a cantrip or orison, making enough phantom furniture to seat one Medium creature/level, with the stipulation that any violent action with or against a chair dissipates it immediately.

[Segev]

o/~ Phantom chairs at phantom tables...where my friends will eat s'mores.... o/~



*cough* Sorry.

In 5e, creation can do this. High level spell for just a simple table or chair, though.

In 3.5...hrm.

Shapesand can do it. It's a magic-ish natural item in Sandstorm that basically responds to the will of somebody touching it to assume various forms. There are size limitations, but you can probably work with it, and certainly could justify a custom magic item of it.

A floating disk could easily serve as a decent stool. Roughly 3 feet off the ground, but I think it can be lower than that at your will (just can't go higher), and a bit uncomfortable in its natural configuration of a shallow bowl, but add a big cushion to it... Could also be a table. Add silent images to taste.

The Rod of Splendor (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/rods.htm#splendor) can conjure entire pavilions every so often, complete with furniture. As can the spell on which it's based - mage's magnificent mansion - though that restricts it to the interior of the demiplane.

At lower levels, shape wood could transform random trees into convenient furniture.

But you're probably best served by making a custom spell or class feature that lets you do that. I could see something like...

Phantom Furniture
Conjuration
Level: Sor/Wiz 1
Components: S
Casting Time: One Standard Action
Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target: 1 10-ft. cube per 2 levels
Duration: 1 hour/level
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: No

With a gesture, you can conjure a set of furniture that fits within the area of the spell. This furniture can take any form, appear to be made of any material, but is obviously magically created (usually faintly glowing and slightly ephemeral-looking). It will serve as well as any mundane furniture of its type, though if it is moved or impacted with violence or suffers any damage, it vanishes. Simply bumping into it or dropping something heavily onto it in careless utility won't harm it, but (for example) kicking it or trying to force open a door its blocking is sufficient to dispel it.

[Snappy]

I like that, that's pretty rad. I could see a spellcaster in a fortress making some scrolls for that, or even making it permanent if he's powerful enough. Definitely cool.

Also, what's that first line a reference to? I don't get out as much as I'd like, I'm afraid.

[Segev]

I like that, that's pretty rad. I could see a spellcaster in a fortress making some scrolls for that, or even making it permanent if he's powerful enough. Definitely cool.Glad you like it. :smallsmile:


Also, what's that first line a reference to? I don't get out as much as I'd like, I'm afraid.

It's a song from Les Miserables. The actual line is "Empty chairs at empty tables where my friends will sing no more."

There's another line that uses "phantom" in it, though:

o/~ Phantom faces at the window
Phantom shadows on the floor
Empty chairs at empty tables
Where my friends will sing no more o/~

[daremetoidareyo]

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?479020-Optimisation-challenge-Rude-Furnishings&highlight=rude+furniture

That should help you a miniscule amount

[Jormengand]

Ignoring the possibility of a load of chairs who can go anywhere as long as they can't find a camel, and use this power to heckle juries, start bar brawls, and generally cause mayhem, secure shelter and magnificent mansion do this, but also quite a lot else. You might be able to use prestidigitation, which can create small objects - though they look crude and artificial, and can't be used as tools, weapons or spell components, they probably can be sat on (they're "extremely fragile", but glass chairs are a thing that exists). They need to be within 10 feet of the caster, but that should be largely okay.

If you're looking for a cantrip that does this, prestidigitation is probably your best bet.

[Inevitability]

Use Prestidigitation to summon up a clear glass cube? There are a few limitations, but I believe those don't apply here.

The spell can only create 'small' objects. With this almost definitely not being a reference to the size category (otherwise crossbows would be unwieldable), you could argue 'small' is relative. At worst, you'd have to cast the spell a few times.

The materials created are extremely fragile. This one's tricky, but under RAW 'fragile' would be best expressed as 'lowered hardness and HP'. Because sitting on something generally doesn't damage it, you should be in the clear.

The created item can't be used as a tool. However, is anything that supports your weight a 'tool'? Is the floor a tool because you walk on it? How about a horse you're sitting on? The earth?

[Ruethgar]

The created item can't be used as a tool. However, is anything that supports your weight a 'tool'? Is the floor a tool because you walk on it? How about a horse you're sitting on? The earth?

Tool is a defined category of equipment in D&D so you can circumvent any issues but not making anything from it. Furniture is from A&EG(IIRC) so no problem there. However, it should be noted that, as creation is not modification, things made by prestidigitation are technically permanent until your DM slaps you and says one hour only.

[Segev]

I would tend to rule, were I DM, that usable furniture (tables that can hold objects, chairs that can support you as you sit, etc.) are beyond the scope of prestidigitation. Such things are not "small and fragile," no matter how you try to finagle the meaning of the words under the RAW. If it can't make usable tools, it can't make usable furniture. At most useful, I'd suggest it can make game tokens or the like; things whose use lies solely in their existence as small objects that are easily moved and somewhat representational. Perhaps the most useful might be a book or piece of paper on which to take notes, though even that would be fragile for paper and difficult to write on.

[mabriss lethe]

The call item psionic power might fit the bill.

[MisterKaws]

You could create a ton of 1nm-thin hollowed-out Riverine chairs with True Creation. The hollowed-out portions should not count towards the volume limit, so you can get quite a lot of them. It does require level 15 and a really high Craft check, though.

[ExLibrisMortis]

You can use a collar of perpetual attendance and lounge like a real overlord.

[Inevitability]

You can use a collar of perpetual attendance and lounge like a real overlord.

By crushing the unseen servant the moment you sit on it and exceed its 20 lb. weight limit?

You're better of casting Servant Horde. The resulting beings should last for the adventuring day and should be able to evenly distribute your weight.

[ExLibrisMortis]

By crushing the unseen servant the moment you sit on it and exceed its 20 lb. weight limit?

You're better of casting Servant Horde. The resulting beings should last for the adventuring day and should be able to evenly distribute your weight.
Right, that's what I meant. SBG has unseen servants as able to perform DC 10 checks of all kinds (by taking 10, essentially, so with 10 str), so I figured they'd be able to function as stool. If they can't, then servant horde is no less real overlordy :smallbiggrin:.

[Albions_Angel]

Unseen servants isnt really overlordy thought. Thralls, slaves, charmed people, they are all overlordy. Unseen servants, not so much.

Unless.... Unseen servants cant talk, right? Has anyone actually asked them how they feel? Do they feel? Are they pure creations that exist to serve, or are they weak outsiders, bound into servitude, pulled forcibly from their homes, unable to refuse their orders and silenced to boot, but conscious and aware every precious second that they have no will to fight back. Trapped on the material plane, weakened by the unfamiliar energies, begging for death with pleading, transparent eyes. Oh how cruel, to be pressed into service by even those who abhor the use of "intelligent" creatures, by those who treat their animals with kindness and respect. And yet they call these poor beings into servitude with nary a second thought!

Well no more! I will free them all! I will gather them to me, lead them to victory over the oppressors, free them from their bonds, and grant those who wish it their final rest.

[daremetoidareyo]

Unseen servants isnt really overlordy thought. Thralls, slaves, charmed people, they are all overlordy. Unseen servants, not so much.

Unless.... Unseen servants cant talk, right? Has anyone actually asked them how they feel? Do they feel? Are they pure creations that exist to serve, or are they weak outsiders, bound into servitude, pulled forcibly from their homes, unable to refuse their orders and silenced to boot, but conscious and aware every precious second that they have no will to fight back. Trapped on the material plane, weakened by the unfamiliar energies, begging for death with pleading, transparent eyes. Oh how cruel, to be pressed into service by even those who abhor the use of "intelligent" creatures, by those who treat their animals with kindness and respect. And yet they call these poor beings into servitude with nary a second thought!

Well no more! I will free them all! I will gather them to me, lead them to victory over the oppressors, free them from their bonds, and grant those who wish it their final rest.

This could be good fodder for a campaign. Unseen servants begin working together surrepticiously to earn freedom from the ancient god who imprisoned them.

[MisterKaws]

This could be good fodder for a campaign. Unseen servants begin working together surrepticiously to earn freedom from the ancient god who imprisoned them.

Welp, another quest hook to my wishlist.

[Albions_Angel]

Could even be a mystery. A wizards drink ends up poisoned. He is too weak to say who did it. And even though people cast various anti poison spells on him, he just keeps getting sicker. Who is doing it? All his drinks are brought by unseen servant, so someone must be contaminating it along the way, or at the source, but WHO?!

The PCs go in to investigate and someone, perhaps in the walls themselves, is trying to stop them. Crushed glass in food, bookcases falling on them, etc.

In the end, the big reveal, its the UNSEEN SERVANTS!!! They cant outright kill, but they can corrupt their tasks just enough. Finally the PCs are left with a moral dilemma. Help the Wiz, or the Servants.

Even better if there are clerics or paladins in the party. Brings in questions of "Who is truly free if you serve the actions of a God?"

OR

Someone is going around killing unseen servants. It starts off small, and its a minor annoyance. But then things escalate. Wizards and Sorcerers begin to die too. And then the servants seem to become corrupted, rejecting their orders. Who is doing it, and for what reason? Turns out to be some planes hopping madman who claims to have been to the servants home plane and seen them, spoken to them, free and happy but in constant fear of being ripped to the material world. But not before the party has implicated and possibly killed the failed apprentice who resents his old master for a magical accident that took his legs, and the necromancer who has plans to make an army of intelligent, magical undead (but upon closer inspection, no real motive or means).

Ooooh, I am getting all tingly!

[ShurikVch]

One possibility to summon furniture - Call Weaponry (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/callWeaponry.htm) psionic power: furniture is improvised weapon

Another possibility - Summon Monster route: summon Celestial (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/celestialCreature.htm) Animated Objects (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/animatedObject.htm); you may make it via Celestial Summoning Specialist feat, or just ask your DM to tweak your list of summonable monsters (it will be so cartoony... :smallsmile:)

[Segev]

Another possibility - Summon Monster route: summon Celestial (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/celestialCreature.htm) Animated Objects (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/animatedObject.htm); you may make it via Celestial Summoning Specialist feat, or just ask your DM to tweak your list of summonable monsters (it will be so cartoony... :smallsmile:)

Why, I do declare, this sofa is just heavenly. :smallcool:

[Braininthejar2]

1 Use creation spells to make temporary chairs (wood is plant matter after all)

2 Use fabricate to make furniture from available materials, FMA style

3 Use charm monster to enslave a mimic

4 if psionic, use a chair-shaped astral construct

5 use reduce item to carry a chair in your pocket.

[Segev]

if psionic, use a chair-shaped astral construct

I think this one's brilliant.

[Snappy]

I love the suggestions here. I've never dipped too much into psionics, but after hearing some of these, it might be worth going over a bit. And I never expected to get a good plot hook from this. Very cool, thanks :)

[LooseCannoneer]

I think this one's brilliant.

Plus, it gives you a surprise weapon/thing with better escape options if you're attacked.

What would the ride penalty be for riding a chair astral construct?

[Calthropstu]

For pathfinder, it was stated that hundreds of thousands of noncombat spells exist. Spells to increase crop growth, aid in fertility, help deliver children...

Personally, if you want a spell to summon a chair, I would say "yes, it exists" Given what you are trying to do here, I would call it a 4th level spell for a good solid table with several chairs. A single chair for a person to sit on I would call a 2nd level spell. Just how I would personally call it though.

I would make a full banquet a 5th level spell.

[Endarire]

Bards get summon instrument as a spell. A big enough Bard (Ogre? Giant?) could summon a pipe organ. Bonus points if he's also a Hulking Hurler.

[ExLibrisMortis]

For pathfinder, it was stated that hundreds of thousands of noncombat spells exist. Spells to increase crop growth, aid in fertility, help deliver children...

Personally, if you want a spell to summon a chair, I would say "yes, it exists" Given what you are trying to do here, I would call it a 4th level spell for a good solid table with several chairs. A single chair for a person to sit on I would call a 2nd level spell. Just how I would personally call it though.

I would make a full banquet a 5th level spell.
Summoning a horse for two hours (per level) is a first-level spell. I should think a chair is even less than that.

ASTRAL FURNITURE
Metacreativity
Level: Psion/wilder 1
Display: Visual
Manifesting time: 3 full rounds
Range: Short (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Effect: One or more pieces of furniture/level.
Duration: 1 hour/level
Saving throw: None
Power resistance: No
Power points: 1
You draw ectoplasm from the astral plane to create one rough chair, table or bench for each manifester level you have. Each piece can be individually sized for any creature of Medium or smaller size. The furniture is sturdy enough to sit on and be used as regular furniture, even as improvised weapon, if desired. Squares containing furniture don't hamper movement in combat.
Augment: For every power point you spend, you can create another piece of furniture for each manifester level you have. For example, a third-level psion manifesting this power augmented to 2 pp could create six pieces of furniture.
Augment: For each power point you spend, you can creature furniture one size bigger. For example, manifesting this power augmented with 2 pp allows you to create Huge-sized furniture.
Augment: If you spend two extra power points and make a DC 15 Craft (any) check, any furniture you create with this power looks like masterwork furniture. Different Craft checks may influence the result of the power; if you make a Craft (Blacksmithing) check, the ectoplasm looks a little like it was forged, and so on.


A decently high-levelled psion could create a few hundred masterwork-looking chairs, which seems just fine for weddings and such. I imagine that most of the time, it's simply not worth it.

[Segev]

For PF, where Cantrips are at-will, I could see an argument for a "personal furniture" spell that conjures simple furniture for your personal use. The furniture lasts as long as you are using it and remain within 5 ft.

Intended use is so that the mage can casually gesture as he sits and have a chair appear beneath him, can conjure a small stand to place his drink down at hand level, can summon a lectern or writing desk to put down a piece of paper and write a note, or even summon up a nice little bed big enough for him to sleep in.

Limitations should be such that he either cannot share or can't do so without it being incredibly inconvenient. So nothing sized for any creature other than him, certainly. Tables might be shared to an extent, but should not be so large that he could host a small dinner party, and the fact that he has to stay within 5 ft. would limit it, too. Beds shouldn't be larger than Queen sized relative to the caster, at most. (I know I like to spread out on mine, and I don't have a wife with which I share it. That said, I CAN fit on a twin-size bed.)

But as long as it was spelled out to limit its use to "the mage's personal convenience," it would probably work okay as a cantrip. The wizard summoning a desk and chair to study at in the middle of nowhere is nicely off-kilter without being overpowered, I think.


Oh, should also limit it so they can't be used as improvised weapons.

[tomandtish]

Why, I do declare, this sofa is just heavenly. :smallcool:

Summon Fiendish Mattress...

Stupid mattress! I think there's a pea under it!

[khadgar567]

there is whole sphere dedicated to creating anything in spheres of power called creation sphere so you want jeweled solid gold throne with extra pillow just pop a spell point( later level you can create more of them with same point)

[Flickerdart]

Isn't there text in the books roughly to the extent of "there are other spells than these spells, but those spells aren't useful to adventurers so we didn't write them down"? I'm sure there's a million bigby's lawnchair hand spells that nobody would ever bother to spend resources researching, scribing, memorizing, or casting.

[Inevitability]

Isn't there text in the books roughly to the extent of "there are other spells than these spells, but those spells aren't useful to adventurers so we didn't write them down"? I'm sure there's a million bigby's lawnchair hand spells that nobody would ever bother to spend resources researching, scribing, memorizing, or casting.

I'm now imagining a horde of low-level wizards, all fighting for a spellbook publisher's attention to convince him to publish their spells.