SoP Dimensional Demon Hunter Build Advice

[pilvento]

Friends, I have a lot of ideas in my mind that I just cant put together. and give form to the following character idea.

We will soon start paizo´s Wrath of the Righteus AP and we will be using the spheres of power sistem for our characters. For the pourpose of this thread lets leave Mythic out of the discussion for now.

So! In my mind i got this character that looks like Azazel, from X-Men. A redeemed Tiefling warping arround the battlefield (like outsiders kinda do in DnD). For this I want to use the following mechanics.

Tiefling (trade spelllike for bonus talent)
Full bab and low caster OR medim bab and half caster
High Dex
Sneak Attack for damage
Full two-weapon fighting tree
Two-weapon pounce feat from 3.5
Infiltration and scouting
Dimensional assault feat chain
Demon hunting?

We will rule the Dimensional assault feat chain so it works with any kind of teleport from SoP, like both found in the warp and darkness sphere. Quick meld and/or Quick teleport talents can be used in place of the Dimensional agility feat.

I ask for your knowledge to help me put all this pieces together, I need to find or make a class to work as a chasis for the build.

Thank you all!

[khadgar567]

So you want night crawlers dad as character my best choice is sphere magus grabing warp, destruction and creation as main spheres

[stack]

Sphere magus is your best bet, at least for 1 level for spell combat, then skip the dervish feats. No need to burn SP for quick teleport that way. Unfortunately locks you out of TWF, but you could get sneak attack (in limited fashion) from hedgewitch with the charlatanism tradition.

Other than hedgewitch with chalatanism or the unseelie disciple fey adept (expanded options) (low bab, no armor, sneak attacking, bad idea), I can't recall a way to get sneak attack on an SoP caster. Might be an archetype or option I'm forgetting.

[Extra Anchovies]

Sphere magus is your best bet, at least for 1 level for spell combat, then skip the dervish feats. No need to burn SP for quick teleport that way. Unfortunately locks you out of TWF, but you could get sneak attack (in limited fashion) from hedgewitch with the charlatanism tradition.

Other than hedgewitch with chalatanism or the unseelie disciple fey adept (expanded options) (low bab, no armor, sneak attacking, bad idea), I can't recall a way to get sneak attack on an SoP caster. Might be an archetype or option I'm forgetting.

There's a number of options for casting and sneak attack through archetypes, but I'm not sure if or how they stack with SoP conversions.

Sandman (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/bard/archetypes/paizo---bard-archetypes/sandman) Bard
Eldritch Scoundrel (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/rogue/archetypes/paizo---rogue-archetypes/eldritch-scoundrel-rogue) Rogue
Cult Leader (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/hybrid-classes/warpriest/archetypes/paizo---warpriest-archetypes/cult-leader) Warpriest
Sanctified Slayer (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/inquisitor/archetypes/inquisitor-archetypes---paizo/sanctified-slayer) Inquisitor
Nature Fang (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/druid/archetypes/paizo---druid-archetypes/nature-fang) Druid with the Crocodile (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/druid/archetypes/paizo---druid-archetypes/animal-and-terrain-domains/crocodile-domain) domain
Mantis Zealot (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/hybrid-classes/warpriest/archetypes/paizo---warpriest-archetypes/mantis-zealot-warpriest-archetype) Warpriest

Mantis Zealot and Cult Leader almost stack (one has slightly more limited weapon proficiencies) - if your DM's willing to make them compatible, you end up with +11d6 sneak attack by 20th level (or +12d6 with Accomplished Sneak Attacker).

Also of note is Sandman Bard, which can take Accomplished Sneak Attacker at 5th level for single-classed Arcane Trickster entry.

Edit: that list is up to date as of August 2015, so there might be a few more options floating around.

[Mehangel]

There is also an Unchained Rogue archetype called the Treasure Seeker (Diviner's Handbook (http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/178419/Diviners-Handbook)) and a Rogue archetype called the Snake Oil Salesman (Enhancer's Handbook (http://drivethrurpg.com/product/184708/The-Enhancers-Handbook?src=also_purchased&filters=0_0_0_0_45208)), but the later loses sneak attack. Alternatively, if you teleport using the Dark sphere instead of Warp, you can also take the Dark Slaughter (meld) which grants 1d6 "sneak attack".

[EldritchWeaver]

There's a number of options for casting and sneak attack through archetypes, but I'm not sure if or how they stack with SoP conversions.

The conversions should only touch the spellcasting/magic-like class features. Checking them, Sandman is ok, Eldritch Scroundrel needs to be converted to SoP (Mid-Caster and 15/20 magic talents), Cultleader is ok, Mantis Zealot is ok, Sanctified Slayer is ok, only Nature Fang is problematic. Wildshape is also replaced by the Sphere Druid. But as a GM I would accept it to replace Wild Heart (IMO, it needs text to that extent). Luckily, Nature Bond is merely modified, so by reading you'd get still powers.

Edit: Talked with Adam, he agrees that Wild Heart should count as Wild Shape for archetypes, which replace Wild Shape completely.

[pilvento]

Wow, thank you all for your answers it took me a while to check out all the archetypes i did not know.

In the party we will also have a paladin with VMC magus and a cleric thats gonna get bardic music somehow so I would like to not have many features in common, so warpriest and bard are out, im still considering magus and there is an archetype that works with TwF, and one that kinda swaps arcane pool for SA damage.

Those archetypes are...
Mystic Dervish (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/magus/archetypes/ascension-games-llc---magus-archetypes/mystic-dervish) and Greensting Slayer (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/magus/archetypes/paizo---magus-archetypes/greensting-slayer)

The santified slayer was what came first to my mind when thinking about the character, but both bane and SA damage may be too much, its still the most solid choice for the build unless I can make the magus archetypes work.

Then I also found that the Bloodrager also has this archetype...
Bloodscoundrel
(http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/hybrid-classes/bloodrager/archetypes/flaming-crab-games---bloodrager-archetypes/blood-scoundrel)

We are ok with 3rd party as long as it looks "balanced"

I want the dimensional feat chain to be in this build. Its what inspired me to make the character, and use either the warp or darkness spheres. Sneak attack is the best way that came to my mind to make the best out of the feat chain, since its last feat allows me to flank with myself.

What do you guys think about making magus work with those archetypes somehow, and whats your opinion on bloodscoundrel?

[stack]

Greensting slayer modifies arcane pool, which technically bars combining with sphere magus but since oyu aren't plays PFS you should be able to make it work. Better off going the hedgewitch with charlatanism though, since it gets a separate pool so you don't eat your SP and gets better progression too. Greensting slayer is terrible, really.

Mystic dervish loses spell combat, so therefore will be immediately expunged from my memory. Maybe as a dip for the extra feat? Figuring out how to deal with diminished casting in SoP will be a question as well. Recommendations vary, but some reduction in SP gained is the usual suggestion I've seen.

Treasure hunter unchained rogue (Diviner's handbook) as mentioned above may be the best bet is you have your heart set on sneak attacking. Could go hedgewitch and combine font of inspiration (Diviner's) and charlatanism for both studied target and (limited) sneak attack, which would be nasty when dual wielding.