Getting Extra feats

[flappeercraft]

Right now im making an optimization build and there is one thing I want. That thing is extra feats I know about flaws and it already includes a couple flaws but what are some ways I can get extra feats without levels. The race I have is Tiefling if that helps and I can't change to human (its supposed to be what I am going to do for a character). I know about faustian pacts but if you think know a way to avoid my soul getting stolen by the devil in the end I might use them.

[OldTrees1]

*doorbell* Have you heard about the King in Yellow?

Worshiping an Elder Evil grants feats

[D.M.Hentchel]

Otyugh Hole for Complete Scoundrel (pg. 151) grants a free feat, as does The Frog God's Fane (pg. 145)

[MaxiDuRaritry]

Lots of magical locations.

Also, get a bunch of the ioun stones that grant Alertness. Now do the Dark Chaos Feat Shuffle (DCFS) to turn them into whatever feats you want that you qualify for. If you want to protect them from being grabbed out of the air, there's the ioun blade from the Arms & Equipment Guide and the sequester (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/sequester.htm) spell and psionic sequester (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/sequesterPsionic.htm) power.

Also, lots of classes grant bonus feats. Most of them grant Light Armor Proficiency (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#armorProficiencyLight) by default. (Seriously, look at that feat; it says that all classes except the ones mention grant it automatically.)

[MisterKaws]

I think you'll appreciate this (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=16939083&postcount=21).

[Necroticplague]

Frog God's Phane magical location gives you a crappy feat (Value 2K). Pay a spellcaster to cast Embrace the Dark Chaos and Shun the Dark Chaos on you (value 4.9K). A free bonus feat of any type you qualify for for a mere 6.9K. You can repeat this as many times as you can keep making the DC 15 INT check for the Phane and paying for the DCFS.

[MaxiDuRaritry]

Frog God's Phane magical location gives you a crappy feat (Value 2K). Pay a spellcaster to cast Embrace the Dark Chaos and Shun the Dark Chaos on you (value 4.9K). A free bonus feat of any type you qualify for for a mere 6.9K. You can repeat this as many times as you can keep making the DC 15 INT check for the Phane and paying for the DCFS.Except Frog God's Phane would be what's giving you the bonus feat; you just changed it to something else. Unless you're saying you could level up to, say, level 9, DCFS out the feat, take a negative level, regain the level, and get a new feat in addition to the old one?

[Necroticplague]

Except Frog God's Phane would be what's giving you the bonus feat; you just changed it to something else. Unless you're saying you could level up to, say, level 9, DCFS out the feat, take a negative level, regain the level, and get a new feat in addition to the old one?

And? I'm seeing exactly nothing in the Frog God's Phane description that stops you from using it multiple times (except for if you fail the INT check). So I'm not seeing any reason you can't, say, use it a lot for 20 copies of Skill Focus (K(Religion)), then DCFS all of that out.

[MisterKaws]

And? I'm seeing exactly nothing in the Frog God's Phane description that stops you from using it multiple times (except for if you fail the INT check). So I'm not seeing any reason you can't, say, use it a lot for 20 copies of Skill Focus (K(Religion)), then DCFS all of that out.

With the sole exception of damage dice, bonuses from the same source never stack unless they say otherwise, and that includes bonus feats.

[eggynack]

And? I'm seeing exactly nothing in the Frog God's Phane description that stops you from using it multiple times (except for if you fail the INT check). So I'm not seeing any reason you can't, say, use it a lot for 20 copies of Skill Focus (K(Religion)), then DCFS all of that out.
Y'know, I've seen this trick a lot, but I just checked it out, and the overall rules for legendary locations says, " Unless otherwise specified, no creature can gain the benefit of a legendary site’s conferred power more than once." This plan may not work as a result, unless I'm missing something.

Edit:
With the sole exception of damage dice, bonuses from the same source never stack unless they say otherwise, and that includes bonus feats.
This isn't a relevant objection. You never have more than one copy of the feat at a time, because you trade the old one out each time. Y'know, assuming it works.

[Necroticplague]

With the sole exception of damage dice, bonuses from the same source never stack unless they say otherwise, and that includes bonus feats.Yes, because obviously fighters only get one actual bonus feat, because it can't stack with any other bonus feats from the same source
Bonus feats, despite the name, aren't a bonus. The definition of "bonus" excludes bonus feats. (a bonus is a positive modifier to an die roll).


Y'know, I've seen this trick a lot, but I just checked it out, and the overall rules for legendary locations says, " Unless otherwise specified, no creature can gain the benefit of a legendary site’s conferred power more than once." This plan may not work as a result, unless I'm missing something.

Huh. Missed that. Consider myself corrected. Still means you can DCFS feats from different locations, though. So one from the Phane, one from the Hole, one from the Vault, one from the Spire, one from the the Court.

[MaxiDuRaritry]

Buy or craft one ioun stone for Alertness and a thought bottle. Clone them. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?246396-Another-Addition-To-The-Tippyverse) Use this to DCFS your shiny new feats. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?217819-Nesting-Thought-Bottles-millions-of-wishes) Win.

[Shalist]

The shapechanger subtype (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/typesSubtypes.htm#shapechangerSubtype) grants proficiency with "any weapons or armor mentioned in the creature's description," or something to that effect. Given that PCs write their own descriptions, I'm sure you can appreciate what a nigh-bottomless well of feats this could be. You'll need the 'dark chaos shuffle' others have mentioned to really get your milliage out of them, but still...

[LTwerewolf]

I know about faustian pacts but if you think know a way to avoid my soul getting stolen by the devil in the end I might use them.

See that's not the right way to think about it. Your soul isn't getting stolen. Your soul is going to the place it belongs most. Don't you want a place that you can use your cleverness to climb ranks? You can even negotiate the place of your soul before you sign. If you're important enough, why start as a lemure? Waste of potential, really. If you would like to know more, we have this nifty pamphlet.

*ahem*

Anyhow, there are always ways to get extra feats, most just have opportunity costs.

[Jowgen]

You called? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?400840-List-of-Feat-Granting-Items-Locations-Grafts)

[eggynack]

Huh. Missed that. Consider myself corrected. Still means you can DCFS feats from different locations, though. So one from the Phane, one from the Hole, one from the Vault, one from the Spire, one from the the Court.
I'm pretty surprised myself, honestly. This is a classic strategy, and I was look for citations that indicate it works when I found the opposite. I wouldn't be overly surprised if this strategy had some text somewhere supporting its operation.