Metaconcert inception

[you randomly]

So the random throught struck my mind that as a metaconcert knows all of the power os the participants it its self knows metaconcert so does this mean you could have 2 groups of people cast metaconcert and then have those 2 metaconcerts merge to make another metaconcert?
Or is there something im miss other than this could be exreamly ineffective/counter productive

[Name1]

IIRC you could, but why would you? It would only cost you a few more PP compared to just outright merging the two groups before casting metaconcert.

[MaxiDuRaritry]

IIRC you could, but why would you? It would only cost you a few more PP compared to just outright merging the two groups before casting metaconcert.A single metaconcert can only hold up to ten participants, but an inception'd metaconcert (single layered) could hold up to ten groups of ten participants. A hundred people is a lot of potential powers known. The number gets exponentially higher the farther you inception it.

...Or you could just add one sufficiently erudite erudite. But, y'know...

[InvisibleBison]

As far as I can tell, you could do this, but there's no real reason to do so. The main advantages of metaconcert are 1) Increasing the save DCs of powers the metaconcert manifests and 2) Dividing damage from psionic attacks among the members of the metaconcert.

For the first advantage, having a metaconcert of metaconcerts is strictly inferior to having everyone just join one metaconcert. Consider the case of 10 manifesters, 5 of whom form metaconcert A, and 5 of whom form metaconcert B; the two metaconcerts then form metaconcert C. In this case, metaconcert C has two participants and thus gets a +2 bonus to its save DCs. Had all 10 manifesters joined one metaconcert, said metaconcert would recieve a +10 bonus to its save DCs.

For the second advantage, forming a double metaconcert offers no advantage over forming one large metaconcert. Using the same example as before, if metaconcert C takes X points of damage from a psionic attack, it would distribute X/2 points to each constituent metaconcert, each of which would in turn distribute X/10 point of damage to each participating manifester. The end results are thus identical to what would happen if a 10-member metaconcert took the same amount of damage.

[Kelb_Panthera]

So the random throught struck my mind that as a metaconcert knows all of the power os the participants it its self knows metaconcert so does this mean you could have 2 groups of people cast metaconcert and then have those 2 metaconcerts merge to make another metaconcert?
Or is there something im miss other than this could be exreamly ineffective/counter productive

You could but between the setup time and the fact that metaconcert doesn't do -much- by itself there's not a huge gain to be made by this unless there are more would-be participants than the limit of a metaconcert allows; which would be rare outside of something like a kalashtar enclave or a gathering of elans for the induction of a new member to their race.

[you randomly]

A single metaconcert can only hold up to ten participants, but an inception'd metaconcert (single layered) could hold up to ten groups of ten participants. A hundred people is a lot of potential powers known. The number gets exponentially higher the farther you inception it.

...Or you could just add one sufficiently erudite erudite. But, y'know...

Okay considering the area (20ft radius from you?) and participate limit (10) what is the maximum people you could condense into one metaconcert? (If someone else could run the maths im on my phone and going bed now)

[you randomly]

As far as I can tell, you could do this, but there's no real reason to do so. The main advantages of metaconcert are 1) Increasing the save DCs of powers the metaconcert manifests and 2) Dividing damage from psionic attacks among the members of the metaconcert.

For the first advantage, having a metaconcert of metaconcerts is strictly inferior to having everyone just join one metaconcert. Consider the case of 10 manifesters, 5 of whom form metaconcert A, and 5 of whom form metaconcert B; the two metaconcerts then form metaconcert C. In this case, metaconcert C has two participants and thus gets a +2 bonus to its save DCs. Had all 10 manifesters joined one metaconcert, said metaconcert would recieve a +10 bonus to its save DCs.

For the second advantage, forming a double metaconcert offers no advantage over forming one large metaconcert. Using the same example as before, if metaconcert C takes X points of damage from a psionic attack, it would distribute X/2 points to each constituent metaconcert, each of which would in turn distribute X/10 point of damage to each participating manifester. The end results are thus identical to what would happen if a 10-member metaconcert took the same amount of damage.

Okay so if we have 2 groups meta A and meta B, meta A manifests metaconcert with meta B desigbaying its self as the conductor wouldnt the new metaconcert (meta AB if you like) gain atleast the benifit of meta A's +9 to dc's as it would still be effecting the conductor of meta A who is the conductor of 2 meta concerts

[MaxiDuRaritry]

Okay considering the area (20ft radius from you?) and participate limit (10) what is the maximum people you could condense into one metaconcert? (If someone else could run the maths im on my phone and going bed now)This effectively allows you to fit any number of people in a single 5' space, if the tree is small enough. (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/fw/20040710a)

[Kelb_Panthera]

Okay considering the area (20ft radius from you?) and participate limit (10) what is the maximum people you could condense into one metaconcert? (If someone else could run the maths im on my phone and going bed now)

Reasonably or absolutely? Spoiler alert: the latter will involve scientific notation.