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knightware
2007-07-10, 06:44 AM
I was wondering if someone could advise me of a reasonable LA for a Planetar Angel

Arang
2007-07-10, 07:01 AM
The Planetar has +8 LA.

EDIT: The Planetar has - LA, which I think means that it shouldn't be a PC at all.

EDIT 2: If I has to use one for a PC, I'd say maybe +10 LA. You might want a second opinion or five on that, though.

Raum
2007-07-10, 07:12 AM
The +8 LA is probably a minimum. After all, it has shape changing abilities, casts up to 9th level cleric spells, has a variety of at will powers, and has some powerful always on powers. Then you still have to add flight, a stack of resistances, and regeneration.

Nerd-o-rama
2007-07-10, 08:35 AM
Too innately powerful/weird to balance as a PC, which is what an LA of "-" means. Consider as an alternative an Astral Deva, which has 12 Hit Dice and a listed +8 Level Adjustment, meaning they start at effective character level 20.

Planetars are significantly more powerful than Devas, especially in a PC role with all their Spell-Like Abilities, free casting, and Regeneration. I'd say they're at least +12 or +14 LA, putting their ECL in the upper 20's.

Person_Man
2007-07-10, 08:53 AM
I agree with Nerd-o-rama. LA "-" races just shouldn't be played in most cases.

Also, you could just have 20th level Favored Soul. That would essentially approximate most of their abilities one way or another.

Firefingers
2007-07-10, 08:54 AM
A Level adjustment of - means that the race is unplayable as an ECL 20 character and hence you need to either pick a lower class or equally be playing an epic level campaign in which case the DM can determine the ECL but looking at it your looking at about +11-14 or so as its LA so a quite high ECL

knightware
2007-07-10, 04:02 PM
Its for an Epic Gestalt game so the high LA isn't such an issue

Omnipotent_One
2007-07-10, 08:12 PM
I'd give it +12 LA. It's an incredibly powerful tool in the hands of a player.

Elana
2007-07-11, 04:20 AM
LA + 14

A good quick rule for outsiders is to give them an LA as high as their standard HD.

Talya
2007-07-11, 05:45 AM
If someone wants to play an angel, Sean K. Reynolds book "Anger of Angels" (Sword & Sorcery) has many varieties that are fleshed out a bit better than what the Monster Manuals give you. Worth a look.

skywalker
2007-07-11, 11:29 AM
14 LA +14HD= 28ECL.

The thing is only CR-16. Which means it isn't THAT powerful. I think the +10 LA is sufficient. You're still gonna be at ECL-24 with a +10LA. Which means 4 planetars could take on a solar(sounds about right to me).

Yuki Akuma
2007-07-11, 11:49 AM
14 LA +14HD= 28ECL.

The thing is only CR-16. Which means it isn't THAT powerful. I think the +10 LA is sufficient. You're still gonna be at ECL-24 with a +10LA. Which means 4 planetars could take on a solar(sounds about right to me).

LA and CR have next to nothing to do with one another.

In combat, a monster only lives for about four rounds, so he only has one chance to use his "1/day" abilities and doesn't get to use those "at will" abilities very much.

However, as a PC, a creature survives for months in-game, and gets to use those sickeningly powerful "at will" abilities any time he likes.

Compare the mind flayer's CR to his LA, for example. A mind flayer is an ECL sixteen creature!