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SangoProduction
2016-10-10, 12:22 PM
We all know that the Necklace of Natural Attacks is overpriced, and is so bad for monks (ignore the fact that monks are bad for monks). I've simply never seen anyone make a post about this, so I figured I would. Unfortunately, this doesn't work in Pathfinder, because Errata Bull ****.

So... Gauntlets

This metal glove lets you deal lethal damage rather than nonlethal damage with unarmed strikes. A strike with a gauntlet is otherwise considered an unarmed attack.

And Monk

A monk also deals more damage with her unarmed strikes than a normal person would, as shown on Table: The Monk.

There. Enchant the gauntlets/boxing gloves/whatever you fluff it as, and be done with it. You deal the same amount of damage as if you were using unarmed attacks, because gauntlets count as unarmed attacks, save for being lethal and having their own damage...which is overwritten by the monk, which does more damage than normal.

khadgar567
2016-10-10, 12:49 PM
you know its to bad that japanese word Nani counts as not enough fords for post since my responce to your post is simple one word other wise

SangoProduction
2016-10-10, 12:56 PM
You might want to work on your English. Regardless, a simple "what" doesn't really contribute anything. What are you confused about?

DrMotives
2016-10-10, 12:59 PM
you know its to bad that japanese word Nani counts as not enough fords for post since my responce to your post is simple one word other wise

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/gibberingMouther.htm

MaxiDuRaritry
2016-10-10, 01:06 PM
I've seen this mentioned a few times, and the counterargument brought up is "unarmed strike ≠ unarmed attack." However, a ward cestus works in 3rd ed. for this, as does a warforged battlefist -- a non-warforged can use the warforged mighty arms graft to use a battlefist just fine.

Then if you spend 300 gp upon character creation, you can turn your unarmed strike into a masterwork weapon, and since monks treat their unarmed strikes as manufactured, you can then have it enhanced like you would any other manufactured weapon.

Then you could take levels in kensai, take the Ancestral Relic feat, and so on.

And then you stack them all, like this. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=15474863#post15474863)

Inevitability
2016-10-10, 02:20 PM
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/gibberingMouther.htm

We're talking something worse here.

Much worse. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/gibberingOrb.htm)

SangoProduction
2016-10-10, 04:38 PM
I've seen this mentioned a few times, and the counterargument brought up is "unarmed strike ≠ unarmed attack." However, a ward cestus works in 3rd ed. for this, as does a warforged battlefist -- a non-warforged can use the warforged mighty arms graft to use a battlefist just fine.

Then if you spend 300 gp upon character creation, you can turn your unarmed strike into a masterwork weapon, and since monks treat their unarmed strikes as manufactured, you can then have it enhanced like you would any other manufactured weapon.

Then you could take levels in kensai, take the Ancestral Relic feat, and so on.

And then you stack them all, like this. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=15474863#post15474863)

I'll take the counter argument and say the following:

It's under weapons. Unarmed Strike is the weapon under Unarmed Attack category. So gauntlets count as the entire category, Unarmed Strikes included.

Really, because Gauntlets are under the category of Unarmed Attacks, it's a recursive reference, meaning you actually deal infinite damage every attack.

Therefore, the monk is actually the most underpowered class, as it uses a lower damage number than infinity when every other class can (at least with a feat) deal infinite damage. Actually, strike that. It doesn't interrupt the recursion, because it only changes the damage of Unarmed Strikes, not all Unarmed Attacks.