Can eldrich blast get extra attacks due to bab?

[nintendoh]

I was under the understanding that a regular EB can get the iterive attacks but i read a few things online that stated otherwise. Are eldrich glaive and claws the only way to do that?

[Troacctid]

Only with eldritch glaive.

[nintendoh]

Why is that?

[Janthkin]

Why is that?Because Eldritch Blast isn't an attack action; it's a Standard action. Iterative Attacks only work with the Full Attack action, and Eldritch Blast doesn't qualify.

[Necroticplague]

Why is that?

Because firing an eldritch blast is a standard action. Thus, you can't fire more than one unless you have multiple standard actions.
If it was an attack action, you could get several using a full-attack action, but it isn't.

[nintendoh]

Thanks, in your opinion would it be a fair house rule to consider it an attack in a mid power level campaign of mostly tier 3s.

[Vizzerdrix]

Thanks, in your opinion would it be a fair house rule to consider it an attack in a mid power level campaign of mostly tier 3s.

No, not when you considder all the debuffs that it can deliver.

[nintendoh]

Gotcha thanks

[Kaje]

Make vanilla eldritch blast an attack action. Keep it a standard if modified by essences.

[Malroth]

That depends on your definition of "mid power tier 3" if you've got Dungeon crasher Uberchargers and Rainbow savant warmages and Talifran song persist bards then allow the itterative attacks but if you've just got some swordsages and rangers then yeah limit it to standard actions

[ExLibrisMortis]

A 10d6 iterative is not so bad, even with essence invocations. It's similar to a full sneak attack character with a DR-beating weapon (either a force bow, or transmuting or w/e, or maybe the Force Helmet soulmeld), or perhaps a DFI bard. Yes, the sneak must jump through some hoops (immunities, SA-enabling, costly weapon, targeting touch AC), but then they get more options to boost their attacks (TWF, flurry, Snap Kick, natural attacks, weapon crystals). If an optimized DFI bard, Unseen Seer or Swift Hunter doesn't break your game, then neither will a warlock with iterative EBs.

[nedz]

You could also use Eldritch Chain. This won't get you extra attacks due to BAB — but you do get extra attacks.

There is also Quickened SLA - Eldritch Blast, but that is quite limiting - unless you go for the Eldritch Glaive cheese.

[nintendoh]

How broken would it be if i used a belt of battle for this? Other players are twf ranger and a slightly nerfed necro wizard.

[Troacctid]

You mean, using a Belt of Battle to get an extra standard action to use another eldritch blast? Probably not broken at all would be my guess.

[MeeposFire]

Also note that eldritch glaive is weird. It is not a full attack action and it does not work with anything based on full attacks. It is a full round action that gives you a number of attacks based on BAB and that is it so a max of 4 attacks at 16 BAB per use. All abilities that apply to full attacks do not actually work with it by RAW.

[Sicarius Victis]

Also note that eldritch glaive is weird. It is not a full attack action and it does not work with anything based on full attacks. It is a full round action that gives you a number of attacks based on BAB and that is it so a max of 4 attacks at 16 BAB per use. All abilities that apply to full attacks do not actually work with it by RAW.

To be fair, Warlocks are freaks anyways. Eldritch Glaive is just an extension of their weirdness.

[MeeposFire]

To be fair, Warlocks are freaks anyways. Eldritch Glaive is just an extension of their weirdness.

They are to an extent but glaive is extremely odd with its "full attack that is not a full attack". It is just so needlessly confusing compared to what they could have done.

[Necroticplague]

They are to an extent but glaive is extremely odd with its "full attack that is not a full attack". It is just so needlessly confusing compared to what they could have done.

Honestly, that's not even the full extent of it's wierdness. Things like handedness (technically, none, beyond what you need to use an invocation), power attack (again, technically no, no melee damage roll), STR to damage (see previous), and similar other things are needlessely confused by referring to glaives at all in the description. And it not being a full attack at least solves one problem that would pop up if it was (i.e, what happens when you use quicken SLA).