Cloistered Cleric 1/ favored soul 15/ ordained champion 3. I have a few questions

[dehro]

I return to the boards once more, in search for your collective knowledge...

I took the single cleric class mostly in order to get the turning ability to use to fuel smite and holy warrior for the ordained champion.

1) if I understand it correctly, this build means I get the knowledge of
9 orisons and
6 first level spells, with 6 spell slots for the orisons and 6+CHA for the first level spells
However, I also get full knowledge of all orisons and first level spells because cleric, for which I have, respectively, 3 and 1+1 (+WIS)
So..does that mean that since I know them anyway, I can cast all 1level spells with my favored soul slots? Can I do this only on the ones I have also prepared for my uses as a cleric? Or should the favored soul in me just ignore the fact that in theory I do have access to every first level spell? I'm guessing it's the latter, but it seems counterintuitive

2) ordained champion allows me to pic one of the other classes to gain more spells.. The obvious choice is favored soul.
It also stacks with turning abilities.. Which are from cleric.
Can I "split" the upgrades this way? I'm guessing I should be able to

3) my choice of divinity is Tyr, who grants me 2 more domains beyond war, which I get as a bonus from ordained champion.
I'm inclined to take retribution for the nifty domain power. My second choice would be knowledge, but the power is less useful. I already get most knowledges as class ability and don't have nearly enough ability points to cover them all adequately.. The rest of the domain power is only mildly of use, because I only get the first level domain spells anyway.
I am therefore considering swapping the domain power out for a fighter feat, as per the ordained champion class feature "combat feats".
Does that mean I swap out the +1 on knowledge spells, or also the fact that all knowledges are class skills? Not that it changes much, but just to know. (come to think of it, there might be a domain available with a better first level spell and an equally dumpable power.)

I might have more questions later, and thank you in advance for the assistance.

[sleepyphoenixx]

1) Your guess is right. Spellcasting from different classes is completely separate unless one specifically advances the other.

2) Turn Undead from different classes stacks. You only check if a level grants/advances turning or not, then add them all together to get your effective turning level.

3) You trade out the complete domain power. For the Knowledge domain that includes all knowledges as class skills.
Keep in mind you can also trade out domains for the domain feats from Complete Champion. Some of those are a lot better than a fighter bonus feat.

[DrMotives]

Have you considered replacing cleric with cloistered cleric? You'd get few more class skills & points, an extra domain (knowledge), your cleric spells would include identify and couple others not available to favored souls. The things you'd lose are 2 hp, and weapon & armor proficencies that would immediately come back with your first level in favored soul.

[dehro]

3) You trade out the complete domain power. For the Knowledge domain that includes all knowledges as class skills.
Keep in mind you can also trade out domains for the domain feats from Complete Champion. Some of those are a lot better than a fighter bonus feat.
Wait.. What now? Where does that come from?

Have you considered replacing cleric with cloistered cleric? You'd get few more class skills & points, an extra domain (knowledge), your cleric spells would include identify and couple others not available to favored souls. The things you'd lose are 2 hp, and weapon & armor proficencies that would immediately come back with your first level in favored soul.

Ooh, that's intriguing. I'd end up with 4 domains/feats

[sleepyphoenixx]

Wait.. What now? Where does that come from?
The rule is in Complete Champion, at the beginning of the feat section. Every class that gets domains can trade those domains out for the equivalent domain feats.

It's pretty neat if you're just dipping cleric anyway or if your god has lame domains like Law. Law domain sucks, but Law Devotion is pretty good.

[Nifft]

I have to ask: if you like the benefits of Cleric, why add Favored Soul?

Some of the best Domains have abilities which scale by Cleric level, such as the Travel Domain's power.

[dehro]

I have to ask: if you like the benefits of Cleric, why add Favored Soul?

Some of the best Domains have abilities which scale by Cleric level, such as the Travel Domain's power.

I like the notion of divine spontaneous casting and it simplifies my options, as I'm notoriously bad at keeping track of spells, picking them and so on. If I have a smaller, fixed selection, I don't need to go through the books at every new day. On any given day, I've got what I've got and there will be no thoughts like "I should have picked that other spell instead". In this case, the benefits of the Cleric are mostly functional to those of the ordained champion, which is the PrC around which the concept and backstory of the character are constructed.
If I didn't need the turn undead ability to fuel two ordained champion features (smite and holy warrior), I would have stuck to Favored soul and not bothered with cleric at all. Since a dip seems to be necessary, I might as well make it count.

[Firest Kathon]

If you are just in it for the spontaneous spells, consider the Spontaneous Divine Caster (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/spontaneousDivineCasters.htm) variant from Unearthed Arcana.
Edited to add: It meshes especially well with anything which grants extra domains (such as Ordained Champion) as it gives you more known spells.

[dehro]

Meh.. The high saves are also a point of interest. The extra spells are compensated by favored soul having more spells than that variant allows for.
No, I'm sticking with favored soul for this one.

[dehro]

So.. I'm getting there, more or less. I'll list what I've come up with so far. I'd appreciate if someone told me if I made any blatant mistakes.

1) human cloistered cleric 1 of Tyr
War domain, which comes with weapon proficiency and focus: longsword.
Law domain, which I swap into law devotion.
Bonus Knowledge domain, which I swap into knowledge devotion.
First feat Power attack
Human bonus feat: cleave
2) favored soul 1
3) favored soul 2
Feat to be decided
4) favored soul 3
This is where I would get weapon proficiency, but I can pick another feat instead because I got it from war domain.. Yet to be decided
5) favored soul 4 (I reckon I could go ordained champion from here already, but I can't tell if that would change anything or not)
6) favored soul 5
Energy resistance fire
Feat: practiced spellcaster
7) favored soul 6
8) favored soul 7
9) favored soul 8
Feat: rapid metamagic
10) favored soul 9
11) favored soul 10
Energy resistance electricity
12) favored soul 11
Feat: quicken spell
13) favored soul 12
Bonus feat: weapon specialisation longsword
14) favored soul 13
15) favored soul 14
Feat: maximise spell
16) favored soul 15
Energy resistance sonic
17) ordained champion 1
Law domain which I swap into law devotion
Modified spontaneous casting
18) ordained champion 2
Feat: extend spell
Bonus feat: Diehard
Bonus feat: smite
19) ordained champion 3
Class feat: channel spell
Class feat: divine bulwark
Feel free to suggest variations, as far as feat selection goes.