Trixie Slaughteraxe for President

[Thorsby]

In a fantasy world a women goes on a treasure hunt to finance her presidential campain.

http://trixie.webcomic.ws/comics/first/

There was a tread for this earlier, but it got old. I've just started a new storyline has just begun.

[Gez]

I love the names of the characters in this setting. I think "Julius Saunamassacre" is my favorite so far.

How many vice-presidents will die for the half-baked machinations of the president?

[Welf]

Between scheming 1 and scheming 3 were 45 days, and she lost 2 vice presidents. with 120 days left she probably will run through another 6 of them. :smallbiggrin:

[Fri]

Just here to endorse this guy. His comic might not like much, but they all are top notch like you wouldn't believe.

Here, a primer. Read this one if you don't believe it.

http://lies.thecomicseries.com/

His shortest one, only 34 pages.

[Welf]

Here is the list of his other comics (http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/othercomics/). Go and read Hitmen for Destiny or I'll punch you in the face. Then you'll die and won't be a ghost.
But seriously, the writing and world building are superb. Still sad about any comic that ended.

I still wonder how Audrey and Klara can be sisters. They are quite different in temperament, outlook and appearance. But they genuinely like each others and act like sisters.

[Gez]

I really recommend "Lies, Sisters, and Wives" because it's very short (just 34 pages) so you don't have any excuse not to read it.

I felt that "The Accidental Space Spy" kinda ran out of steam. It seemed to try to replicate part of the formula of "Hitmen for Destiny" with description of weird alien societies, but it didn't really work. It got a rather abrupt end, too. "Transdimensional Brain Chip" was okay, though a bit abruptly ended too. Trixie Slaughteraxe is promising so far, and, again, I really like how everyone has a name that could be a heavy metal band.

[Welf]

So for me to sum up the history:
300 years ago Queen Petronella ruled. She had three daughters (http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/30/), Imogen who was blind and had no legs, Gemma who had a crippling fear of water and executed people for sweating, and Saffron who we know nothing about. The queen put a few loyal soldiers into glass orbs. And was later killed by her other soldiers, judging by the picture in the background (http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/58/).
Petronella worked with he witch Etheldred. Apparently Etheldred was fascinated with Goordtryb, the toad god. She did enchant a forest to hid a castle, and if Betty Wolfwrestler (http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/54/) was right she tried to capture him too. There are a few hints that there was going on and that Betty wasn't just some lunatic ho misread this. Etheldred had a painting of Goordtryb (http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/77/) in her secret chambers, and next to where she kept the Sceptre of Death. Maybe she foresaw Goordtryb killing her? Or bringing the apocalypse? The gargyc frog looks very similar to Goordtryb on the painting, maybe she tried to capture him but did a mistake? And she hid the orb in the statue of Petronella, which indicates some significance, since she left the other orbs out in the open.

What you guys think? Will we see Goordtryb again?

[Welf]

Rudolph Filthmaster is learning how to be presidential (http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/138)very quick. Barbara Everdark would be proud. And by doing the job himself he shows he is still a true man of the working class. He gets my vote!

[Ciffo]

This seems to be the perfect setup for another "meeting" where everyone has to lie for a reason or another: that is the part I enjoy most for the comics of this author.

I guess that someone will manage to hide the corpse but will be found in the library (peraphs by Jenny? She could know that her uncle should be home!), the noise from this confrontation will likely bring there the policemen :smallbiggrin:

[Welf]

Oh Disposable Vice President #3, we hardly knew you. Fortunately that venom isn't deadly, it just knocks you out (http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/128/). I give it a 2:3 chance that he will be put in an incinerator or similar. Possible with help of Lyndon's magic. He had that spell waaay to long already. :smallbiggrin:


This seems to be the perfect setup for another "meeting" where everyone has to lie for a reason or another: that is the part I enjoy most for the comics of this author.

I guess that someone will manage to hide the corpse but will be found in the library (peraphs by Jenny? She could know that her uncle should be home!), the noise from this confrontation will likely bring there the policemen :smallbiggrin:

I love these too.And now we have a dead body, and a dead looking one, and 3 states of knowledge: (1) Knows someone is dead, and knows it's Julius: Lyndon, Trixie, Team Henchmen, (2) know someone is dead, but don't know it is Julius: Klara and Audrey, (3) know nothing: policewoman.
This promises to be fun.

[Ciffo]

It will be very funny to see what he comes up with in order to make the cop go away. To complete the circle we'd need someone else who is coming to this house with a scimitar for some other reason :smallbiggrin:

[Welf]

He will impersonate a dead guy. This will go well, because no one, especially not the resident sociopath, is getting a deadly assault weapon to cut up a dead person.

[Yes_Thieves_Can]

These are pretty damn funny!

[halfeye]

That just got a lot dark.

[Welf]

Rest assure that the vice president already lived a relatively long and possibly happy life.

Also, good ol' Hank is totally not suspicious because they used a box, not a bag (http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/154).

[Thorsby]

Current plotline is moving towards the end.

[Ibrinar]

And that is why you use an election system not super vulnerable to vote splitting^^ Seriously that is a ridiculousy small minority the traditionalists have maybe they should just arrange for someone to split their votes.

[Welf]

AT least it's an easy system. Those with more money win.

[Thorsby]

In todays strip: weird spiders.

[Doorhandle]

In a fantasy world a women goes on a treasure hunt to finance her presidential campain.

http://trixie.webcomic.ws/comics/first/

There was a tread for this earlier, but it got old. I've just started a new storyline has just begun.

Finally! I was wondering where this comic sneaked off to!

[Welf]

I'm not entirely sure what they are planning. Are they trying to get free?

[M@XWeru]

Well, the Sisters, Wives and Lies comic was legitimately amazing, so I guess I'll have to get into this next.

[Ibrinar]

I'm not entirely sure what they are planning. Are they trying to get free?

It isn't quite clear how much comes from the human mind and how much from the parasite so hard to say. But I guess he lost his magic again now..^^

[Welf]

It isn't quite clear how much comes from the human mind and how much from the parasite so hard to say. But I guess he lost his magic again now..^^

Ah, so that is why she sent the Headling one into his death.

[Welf]

I loved Audrey's comeback (http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/208). It's true!
Good thing that comic was finished before national election, this will help me in the voting booth.

[Welf]

New sub-chapter begins, (http://trixie.webcomic.ws/comics/210) new people to meet.
I notice a certain theme with the current rulers we meet. Princess Helverdeev could be friends with Barbara Everdark (http://trixie.webcomic.ws/comics/58/).

[Thorsby]

In the latest strip: a wedding dress.

[Welf]

The arc did not where I expected it to go. I thought we would get a classic lies-sisters-and-lies plot (I love those).
Also, Lyndon, why do you talk? :smallbiggrin:

All for nothing (http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/)? Who is black women?

[Ibrinar]

@newest comic:No, you have to accept such offers and then immediately tell your allies. First part to make it more likely they consider the problem handled and won't do more, the immediately part to avoid plots where your allies find out and think you betrayed them.

[Thorsby]

In the latest strip: a visit to an asylum.

[Welf]

Now I wonder if she is a real witch or she just did her tricks herself.

[Welf]

I wonder no more. (http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/255)

How can they get out of this one? I hope they did a philosophy major and can argue themselves out of this. I only know my Rene Descartes and can only prove my Cogito-Ergo-Sum. Which is exactly what they want.

[Thorsby]

In the latest strip, weird creatures and violence.

[Mabn]

I wonder no more. (http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/255)

How can they get out of this one? I hope they did a philosophy major and can argue themselves out of this. I only know my Rene Descartes and can only prove my Cogito-Ergo-Sum. Which is exactly what they want.
Technically, they don't need to prove anything. It is a more useful line of argument to say if a given impossible one is real, then __. Throwing the vase was an example of this, if an impossible one has a vase for a head, impacts could make their head shatter. If an impossible one has a beach ball for a body, pricking it should make it deflate. You paint a given impossible one into and ever smaller disadvantageous corner by looking into the conditions that would be true if they did exist. If it turns out for example that the impossible one's body was make of flesh and only resembled a beach ball, then the odd one could not bounce back at you when you throw it into a wall, because that isn't how flesh works. Since they can't exist, determining how they do must diminish their abilities and eventually render them unable to function.

[Welf]

We did get a fight of logic and reason. (http://trixie.webcomic.ws/comics/277)

And looks like the found a way to stop Samantha from doing magic. (http://trixie.webcomic.ws/comics/279) Trixie's rules lawyering and Lyndon's useless useful spell saved the day. Now I wonder how he will lose the spell again. :smalltongue:

[Haven]

Does Thorsby have a Patreon or something?

[Dodom]

The comic itself doesn't have comments enabled. Does the author read this thread sometimes? If so, I have a message:
This comic is surprisingly good. The art style looks like a lot of those beginners' comics so at first glance one expects clumsy writing, but that's not the case at all. The plots are clever and the twists unexpected, the monster designs are novel, and the characters are funny and well individualised. The whole comic is unique in many ways, I don't see artwork this creative every day.

[Thorsby]

I'm the author. Thank you very much, Dodom! No patreon, Haven.

[Welf]

The comic itself doesn't have comments enabled. Does the author read this thread sometimes? If so, I have a message:
This comic is surprisingly good. The art style looks like a lot of those beginners' comics so at first glance one expects clumsy writing, but that's not the case at all. The plots are clever and the twists unexpected, the monster designs are novel, and the characters are funny and well individualised. The whole comic is unique in many ways, I don't see artwork this creative every day.

The writing of Thorsby's comic is stellar. In fact it's better than OotS or Erfworld since it doesn't fall into traps of meandering story lines and padding. In particular the crafting of singular scenes is great. The old Lies, Sisters and Wives (http://lies.thecomicseries.com/) comic is a great example and quite short. Or read all the comics (http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/othercomics/).

[Dragonus45]

So for me the big thing about these comics is how farcical they can be. And a proper farce is kind of a lost art form in modern writing.

[Haven]

I'm the author. Thank you very much, Dodom! No patreon, Haven.

You should consider it! Or something similar. I know there's at least a couple of people who would be interested if you got one.

[Thorsby]

A new chapter begins. It's called "The Last Cupcakes".

[Welf]

New comic. (http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/302)

I have a really bad feeling about this. Like in, "main character maimed or killed" bad.

Also, more frog people? I wonder if we ever get more details on this.

[Thorsby]

In the latest trip: A hand related problem.

[Lissou]

I wanted to say that I love your stories, Thorsby. The stories are compelling, the cast is diverse and WOW you're great at creating various aliens. And the comedy is pretty vaudevillesque and I love it. Please, never stop! :D

I do wonder how you come up with all the different biology and culture though... any tips you're willing to share?

[Thorsby]

Thank you very much. Here are some ways to come up with creatures:

1. Use a real animal that has some weird trait, change the animal so it is either a threat to humans or intelligent to enough to talk and have technology. What if termites were big enough to eat people? What if termites were intelligent? If you read about biology, there are lots of really weird animals to use.

2. Think of some part of a creature’s body and think how it could be different. How could camouflage be different? How could the sense of smell be different?

3. Think of some weird creature. Now try to come up with a way that creature could have evolved. You might end up with a more interesting creature. I had an idea for an alien that could remove and reattach its limbs. How could that have evolved? The limbs are actually other creatures that are symbiotic with the alien. If you can’t think up a realistic way a creature could have evolved, coming up with a joke way can still be fun to read.

4. Start with a bizarre environment, then think how creatures evolved to live in that environment. In a story I had a zone that turned creatures invisible. I came up with lots of creatures that lived in and around that zone.

5. Similar to 4. Start with a magical creature. Think up non-magical creatures that evolved to live in an environment that has those magical creatures.

6. Think up some way a trait of human psychology could have evolved. Think up some environment or whatever would have caused this trait to evolve to be much stronger. Make up a species that has a very strong version of this trait.

7. Or the reverse from 6, think up a way that the opposite trait could have evolved. Make up a species that is in some ways the opposite from humans.

To make up an alien culture, start with a different biology and base the culture around that. Try to think several steps ahead. If a culture has X that means it must also have Y. Then it must also have Z. And so on.

When writing about an alien culture there are (at least) three ways to do it. The first is to have it be similar to human culture. I find this boring. It’s also arguable unrealistic, but I don’t care much about that. The second is to have the culture be different and to explain to the reader how the culture works. The problem with this is that it leads to lots of exposition. The third way is to have the culture be different, and to not explain how it works.

Of course authors don’t stick to just one of the methods, they use a mix. I tend to focus on the parts of the culture that is different, and explain them. The rest of the cultures tend to be similar to human cultures, but I don’t dwell on those parts. Then I might add a few unexplained things that are not important to the plot. Like maybe there is some weird machine in the background of a room, and I don’t explain what the machine does.

[Lissou]

Thank you so much! It's great to read about how you came up with creatures I read about. I like how you also have it so that invisibility makes you blind consistently across your stories.
Still, even with these methods, it's impressive how much stuff you come up with. I loved the story about the space agent because of that and the whole different cultures aspect, it was great.

[Thorsby]

Another chapter begins. The election is approaching fast.

[Welf]

Well that was a technically legal way to win the election. That Veepee was useful in the end. I wonder what brutal way he will be killed.

I notice Prudence Lavagargler doesn't have a bottle next to her, and the blue spider has a cup but no wine next to him.

[Lissou]

Yeah, my guess is not all of them drank wine and so the plan won't be foolproof.
Interesting that the results are so long after the election, though, I'm use to same-day results, I wonder why it's a week later in that world.

[lopa12]

Between scheming 1 and scheming 3 were 45 days, and she lost 2 vice presidents. with 120 days left she probably will run through another 6 of them.

[Welf]

Yeah, my guess is not all of them drank wine and so the plan won't be foolproof.
Interesting that the results are so long after the election, though, I'm use to same-day results, I wonder why it's a week later in that world.

I don't think 1 week is that long; we usually get preliminary results on the first day. The final official result usually takes longer. They probably count, recount if there is any issue and then have to send the results to the capital for collection.

So it's Barbara, spider guy and old hag. My money is on spider guy. He'll be a bad president, but at least he means well.

[Lissou]

I wonder if they'll do a new election or just decide all the votes for other candidates are void?

I guess maybe it's a huge country. When I counted ballots it only took a few hours per office (and since every office was doing it at the same time, the final results were available the day of, even with recounting). But if you add time zones within a country, or give time for people to vote by mail, it could take longer for sure. I thought maybe it was part of establishing the universe but who know?

Spidey would definitely be the best president of the three, and he would probably take advice from Trixie if she offered it.

[Welf]

Spidey would definitely be the best president of the three, and he would probably take advice from Trixie if she offered it.

He does take advice, but unfortunately not from Trixie. And Audrey and Lyndon betrayed Trixie for nothing.

[Lissou]

He does take advice, but unfortunately not from Trixie. And Audrey and Lyndon betrayed Trixie for nothing.

True, he takes advice from just anyone :( That's sad. So what do you guys think the papers are? I'm thinking maybe asking for a new election or something?

[Ibrinar]

You know this is one case where I don't want the team to reconcile. Murderous girl is a bad person and while he isn't as bad he still sucks.

[Lissou]

Yeah, he betrayed his friend, and well, she's bad all around. I agree with you, they're probably better off if they don't reconcile. Although he seems to be remorseful at least.

[Welf]

To be fair, Audrey wasn't wrong. Even with the money Trixie would have lost because of Barbara's dirty tricks. She is as cynical as she is correct.

[Welf]

Good to see Trixie took the initiative again. I hope this wakes up Zoozo. Unfortunately now that the election is over the Traditionalists have no more reason to not snuff her out. And the Scepter of Death predicted she would die rather soon from an illness. :smallfrown:

Also, I'm on my thir re-read of the comic. Knowing how it ends (so far) with Lyndon and Audrey makes it more interesting. The original pairings were an extrovert and an introvert, Trixie / Lyndon and Audrey / Klara respectively. Now it's Trixie / Klara and audrey / Lyndon. And the new pairings did change Klara and Lyndon. In the first comic basically only Trixie and Audrey talk and negotiate, Klara only gives factual statements. Lyndon doesn't talk before the second comic, both are rather passive. Early Lyndon is pretty stiff and rather arrogant. Both change. Klara clearly falls in love with Trixie and takes initiative when she pretends to gamble away their fortune to stay near Trixie and help her. Before that she was clearly dominated by Audrey who took care of both of them. By now she is pretty independent. Lyndon acted quite superior around Audrey before he fell for her and realized he isn't better than her. And by the end of the last story arc he even betrayed Trixie for her and ate the cake. Earlier when he and Trixie met the ambassador he wouldn't drink wine because it was forbidden.
So both grow, but it comes at a cost for them.

[Thorsby]

In the latest strip: a press conference and some advice.

[Welf]

Well someone advanced their career. I guess she learned a lot from Barbara.
Also, poor Zoozo. He was a good guy and tried to do the right thing.

[Lissou]

Yeah, I loved Zoozo, I was hoping he'd escape the trail of deaths. Poor guy.

[Welf]

387 days have passed, so no shocking reveal Zoozo has survived. :smallfrown:
Audrey was very pragmatic again. Somewhat heartbreaking, but she is usually right. Which is bad for Lyndon and Trixie.

I forgot about the fever. It seems there was more to it, but I can't find more clues what will happen So first Lyndon had the vision of his execution. (http://trixie.webcomic.ws/comics/113/) That prevented his death, and kept Trixie's campaign alive. She probably was executed too in the original time line. Then Trixie has the vision of her dieing of a sickness, and Klara was with her. So she would have ended up with her anyway, but maybe later. And she never was going to win the presidency in either future.
So do the Skyggemyr start the sickness? Was Trixie or Lyndon a danger to their plot in an alternative time line?

[Welf]

This got more and more depressing (http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/362). I hope this will all turn out to be a dream/vision. But we know it's not. :smallfrown:

Last comic (http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/363) has the Skyggemyyrians invading. I think it's because of the opportunity, not because they are behind the sickness. At the end of the first arc Betty Wolfwrestler says the glass box contained the toad god Goortryb, captured by the witch Etheldred (http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/54/). Then it turns out that was just a regular monster toad that gets easily defeated. In hindsight, I wonder if that was all. In a castle full of dangerous animals it seems strange that this giant toad gets hidden in a box in a statue. Maybe Goortryb was inside, but as some kind of spirit? From the picture we have from he does look like that toad, but with a crown (http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/77/). And he seems to hate humans in particular. Everywhere we see humans and non.-humans, so a picture of only humans that get his wrath seems significant.
The three magical objects the gang finds seem to tell a story. There is the orb with Goortryb (?) hidden in castle protected by a powerful mind altering spell and guards, there is the Scepeter of Death that shows one's demise, and the glove that can put the conscious of a person into an animal. Maybe Etheldred foresaw what Goortryb or his followers were up to, and used the gauntlet to get close to him and capture him? Although she was said to be a follower of him and her cult was almost completely wiped out by a rival Goortryb cult.

[Onyavar]

Depressing, alright.

The large time skips and the bad developments are screaming a time travel or alternate reality is going to be arranged. Probably with an artifact.

[Welf]

Last comic (http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/364) seems to go into that direction. So a little hope? The little guy seems to know more, but it also seems it can't bring back his dead family. Maybe an alternative reality split of when Lyndon touched the jewel and nothing happened?

[Gez]

Here's a ridiculous idea. You remember the premise from Interdimensional Brainchip? New realities are constantly splitting in an exponential growth of alternate realities?

What if the Scepter of Death uses this, magically. When you use it, it splits the timeline in two. One that is frozen, and another that plays normally. The one that plays normally continues until the user dies. Then the last moments of the user's life are sent as vision to the other timeline, which is unfrozen at this point and proceeds naturally.

[Welf]

There's a good chance for that. Hitmen for Destiny and Transdimensional Brain Chip featured alternative realities. That's 2 out of 4, and Lies, Sisters and Wives doesn't count. (also, I'll read that comic now again)

[Lissou]

Maybe Lyndon's most recent spell is to create an illusion that replaces actual reality, which is why he has to be alive for the illusion to still exist.

[Welf]

So that is the star thing. I think she knows now. Is that dream universe collapsing? But if so, why would Torgeir bother to offer Audrey to tell her where Lyndon is to get free?
Btw, it's been 2142 says or 5 years and 317 days since Lyndon disappeared and 1014 days or 2 years and 284 days since she spoke with Torgeir Lykke.

[sty.silver]

I've been reading Thorsby's comics for a while, and have been suspecting that the current universe in this one is fake. But there is no reddit and no-one I know personally is reading it. So I had to use google to find some place where it's being discussed so that I can state it before the fact and feel accomplished.

... and, of course, the idea isn't the least bit new. Nevermind me.

I think the frozen-timeline-via-scepter is the most plausible specific scenario. So Lyndon is only special because this is his vision, but the scepter is just working as intended, and it's not doing anything novel. The ambassador has studied it and figured out how it works, so after Lyndon touched it and didn't see anything, he knew that his current version wasn't the original anymore but the one trapped in the vision. That checks out with the dialogue on that chapter. Everyone in this sphere of reality is now going to die, and it's going to resume to them breaking into the mansion with Lyndon having gotten the vision, but with no-one remembering all the stuff leading up to it.

[sty.silver]

At least it seems like there are only two layers, one real universe and many fake ones branching off of it. (This is based on the impression that the scepter doesn't work in the fake universe.) So it's much less crazy than reality, where the universe actually splits up at every moment, and each branch splits up etc.

This is all pretty cool, I found the Trixie comic just a little bit weaker than Trans-dimensional brainchip and space spy so far, but I think this twist changes that.

Edit: Another thought: the reason for the star thing could be that the scepter isn't actually copying all of reality, but is only copying a 2142 light-day large radius around the current location. The stars are all farther away so they don't get copied, however the light they've sent out in the last 2142 days does get copied, so for 2142 days, it seems as though the stars are still there. In reality, they've been gone ever since the vision started.

The Sun ought to be closer than that, so that did get copied. So there's nothing (at least nothing obvious) that will make this universe crash anytime soon. It could last for another 60 years, until Lyndon dies of old age...

[Welf]

The fake universe theory looks very likely. The Skyggemyrians really put some effort into keeping Lyndon alive and as healthy as possible. He seems in the shape of his live (except for the hair).

Now I wonder how useful the sceptre is. However he dies it will be as result of him saying he has no vision, and the ambassador confirming that. Without that they probably will kill him. The guard monster would get him, or the ambassador would get him with an arrow. And they can't try to fight their way out because of the witch and her weapon stealing spell.
Also Lyndon pretty much knows nothing important I presume. He was kept in a prison and I doubt they briefed him about the details of Abyssium's politics and how to stop the war they started. And even if they did, he needs to get told right before he dies in the fake universe so he can do something about this.
I actually think they will try to salvage this universe and keep Lyndon alive as long as possible. It's horrible, but all they have. Alternatively, he and Audrey come up with a a plan and murder him after talking about it. Maybe learn a new spell?

[Ibrinar]

If it is the scepter it is weird that non of the others remarked on it not just showing their death but also the entire time up to it.

[sty.silver]

I think the way it works is that, once the fake universe collapses, the person who has touched the scepter remembered the last few moments of their life, and everyone else doesn't remember anything. That would explain why the others didn't say anything about that: they don't know.

Once the universe does collapse, I think Lyndon will have a vision, namely one of dying in whatever way he ends up dying in this universe.

I don't think Audrey will try to kill him once she knows what's up. You could look at it as them returning to their old lives that way, but you could also look at it as dying once the universe collapses and someone else living on. I think that's the perspective everyone will take. Seems more thorbsy-like.

[Welf]

This is one way to introduce yourself. (http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/373) Audrey is my favourite character.

[sty.silver]

I bet they're about to find out everything from reading the diary

[Ciffo]

Very interesting way to know some little bit of future, if you are crazy enough to kill yousrself! It's more and more strange the disappearing of the stars, it seems to happen in all the different possible futures avoided by the ambassador.

[sty.silver]

So the stars disappear a fixed time after the scepter is touched. That checks out with my theory.

[sty.silver]

They've learned a way to transmit messages from the phantom world to the real world. Once they figure out what's up they should attempt to transmit a message that will change stuff in the real world.

Their break-in to get the scepter happened right before the president died and Trixie disappeared. So it's not totally impossible that they can manage to keep the president alive if they act quickly, and maybe save Trixie, too.

[Lissou]

They've learned a way to transmit messages from the phantom world to the real world. Once they figure out what's up they should attempt to transmit a message that will change stuff in the real world.

Their break-in to get the scepter happened right before the president died and Trixie disappeared. So it's not totally impossible that they can manage to keep the president alive if they act quickly, and maybe save Trixie, too.

Didn't Lyndon touch the scepter soon before he was captured? Knowing that, he could send a message as he dies, although of course he needs to die. Maybe that's why they're keeping him alive. Maybe they realised the scepter only goes a certain amount of time forward, so if they keep him alive that long he won't see anything.

[sty.silver]

He touched it like 10 seconds before they were caught, I think.

If they wanted to stop him from sending a message, they could just kill him, right? But I think they want the fake universe to exist as long as possible.

[Lissou]

True, if they had killed him right away he couldn't have sent a message either. There goes my theory :P

[Ibrinar]

Yeah first idea was a "knows he is in a virtual world and doesn't want to stop existing" scenario before we got more info. With the whole regularly commits suicide to send himself messages scenario there has to be some concrete purpose to this. The simplest is just another data point, tell him something before you kill him and real you can then question the original about his vision.

[sty.silver]

I don't think it's clear that the ambassador knew about beings in the simulated universe being conscious as he wrote those entires. All that his real-life version experienced is touching the scepter and receiving a vision immediately. Yeah, he pre-committed to the message thing, but that could still work if you imagine the scepter just quickly simulating everything without involving consciousness.

However, his versions in the simulated universes must have figured out what's going on? At first, they probably just thought the scepter has stopped working, like Lyndon at the start of the current simulation. But since they stuck to the plan of communicating messages, we can conclude that they did eventually figure it out. Which would beg the question of why the simulated ambassador didn't also think "by the way, I'm conscious" before dying.

Or maybe he does understand how it works, but chooses to use the scepter anyway. Maybe I'm wrong and he does take the position of "this is just another version of myself, and if I die here I still live in the real world?" But then why work so hard to keep Lyndon alive? Maby he changed his position?

I actually think the key question ought to be about whether or not it's ethically good to basically duplicate all experience on the planet. But the ambassador doesn't seem to have a problem with starting a war just to keep some family in power, so he's probably not a utilitarian.

[sty.silver]

I think one reason why I was so quick to assume that everyone considers their life to be over once the simulated universe stops is how Torgeir Lykke has talked about it.


I know something. Something bad. Bad, bad, bad. And this terrible knowledge has not been great for my mental health.

If he took the 'I'll return to my other life'-position, then why would the secret be so bad? You essentially get an extra life. Sounds good to me.

I wonder whether Thorbsy will really dive in and explore the philosophical stuff or just leave it all up to the readers.

[sty.silver]

Thinking more about this, the behavior of trying to keep Lyndon alive for self-preservation and the behavior of willingly committing suicide seem pretty incompatible. They basically each contradict one of the two philosophical viewpoints. This could mean that he wants to keep Lyndon alive for a different reason? Maybe Lyndon is younger than he is and so this is a unique opportunity for him to look farther into the future? But I don't really think that's it.

[Gez]

Thinking more about this, the behavior of trying to keep Lyndon alive for self-preservation and the behavior of willingly committing suicide seem pretty incompatible. They basically each contradict one of the two philosophical viewpoints. This could mean that he wants to keep Lyndon alive for a different reason? Maybe Lyndon is younger than he is and so this is a unique opportunity for him to look farther into the future? But I don't really think that's it.

No, it's not inconsistent.

The one who uses the scepter gets a vision of a simulated future. However, if the simulated people know they are simulated, they can mess up the simulation (and therefore, cause the scepter's prediction to be fully invalid) by simply acting differently from how they would have acted normally.

Only the one using the scepter gets a vision. For the ambassador, keeping Lyndon alive doesn't have any specific interest, other than making sure the vision Lyndon gets is not useful to Lyndon.

[Ibrinar]

Which can be done either by immediately calling of the chase (if you were the likely next cause of death) in which case you are done in minutes or by catching him, bringing him to a random place and killing him in a random way. There really isn't the slightest need for a multi year charade if you just want to make someones vision useless against.

[Welf]

But why bother to keep Lyndon alive? If the ambassador hat shot him with the arrow he wouldn't have gotten any useful information out of this. Or give him a slow-working poison and put him in a dark cell.

[sty.silver]

No, it's not inconsistent.

The one who uses the scepter gets a vision of a simulated future. However, if the simulated people know they are simulated, they can mess up the simulation (and therefore, cause the scepter's prediction to be fully invalid) by simply acting differently from how they would have acted normally.

Only the one using the scepter gets a vision. For the ambassador, keeping Lyndon alive doesn't have any specific interest, other than making sure the vision Lyndon gets is not useful to Lyndon.

I think you misunderstand.

One of two things is true. A) the simulated ambassador doesn't mind if the simulation ends, because he'd just return to his other life. (This is what you seem to be assuming). Or B) the simulated ambassador considers the end of the simulation to be synonymous with his own death and will do everything to delay that for as long as possible. (This is what I suspect is true.)

The inconsistency is thus: committing suicide only makes sense with viewpoint A, but keeping Lyndon alive only makes sense with viewpoint B. To resolve this, you need some alternative explanation for one of the two behaviors. If you assume viewpoint A, you need to explain why he goes out of his way to keep Lyndon alive. Preventing him from receiving a vision doesn't make sense. If that was the goal, then the ambassador could have just let the Jouster kill Lyndon.

[Welf]

Those spells Lyndon learned are really useful. With those he could escape the embassy.
It's also unusual to see Audrey being the one who is carried.

[MarcusSalviusOt]

So Lyndon and Audrey have come to the same conclusion as we did. So what now? Will they us the scepter or try to work it out in this universe?

[Ciffo]

For what they say, the only way they could return at the "normal" universe is by the death of Lyndon. I guess he could send a message to himself in the normal universe as the ambassador do. Will he have the strenght to do so?

[Lissou]

I'm wondering how they knew he was the one who created that universe. Was he the last person to have a vision or something? Since they were already in the fake universe when he touched the scepter, that can't be why they know it's his universe...

[DavidSh]

Shouldn't the universe belong to the first person who didn't have a vision? Because the vision doesn't appear until after a completed simulation, and they don't appear to be doing nested simulations.

[Welf]

For what they say, the only way they could return at the "normal" universe is by the death of Lyndon. I guess he could send a message to himself in the normal universe as the ambassador do. Will he have the strenght to do so?

I'm not sure if Lyndon has, but Audrey would. I don't think she wil give Lyndon a choice.


I'm wondering how they knew he was the one who created that universe. Was he the last person to have a vision or something? Since they were already in the fake universe when he touched the scepter, that can't be why they know it's his universe...

He was the first person to not have a vision. Here in panel 6 the universes split (http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/354/). From that point on we follow alt-Lyndon and alt-Audrey. Of course in theory someone else could have touched the jewel first. The ambassador touches the jewel next and doesn't have a vision too.

[Gez]

I'm wondering how they knew he was the one who created that universe. Was he the last person to have a vision or something? Since they were already in the fake universe when he touched the scepter, that can't be why they know it's his universe...

At the instant you touch the gem, the universe splits. They were not in the fake universe when he touched the scepter, they were in the "true" or "reference" universe until that point. Then after touching it, there's one Lyndon ("real Lyndon") that is getting a vision, and another Lyndon ("simulated Lyndon") that is experiencing simulated life in the simulated universe and whose last moments will become Real Lyndon's vision.

In all these pages, we've followed Sim-Lyndon's adventures. We won't go back to Real Lyndon until Sim Lyndon dies.

And we've already had that happen once, but it was subtle enough: http://trixie.webcomic.ws/comics/76/
Look at Lyndon's disappointed face when he says "I suppose we should head home then." -- he didn't see a vision. However, because that was the first time he tried it, he hadn't seen the scepter working before, so that didn't surprise him, just disappoint him. Then he dies real Lyndon gets the vision.
http://trixie.webcomic.ws/comics/77/
Notice how Lyndon still has his finger on the gem here. For real Lyndon, the vision is instant, he hadn't had the time to move his finger away from the gem.

The next few characters' death happen quite a while after touching the gem. And since the characters only get a vision of their final moments, they don't get to see themselves going "uh, this didn't work" first before dying.

http://trixie.webcomic.ws/comics/354

Every panel starting from the one in which Audrey asks "How'd you kick the bucket?" is in the simulation. Every panel up before that is in their real world.

[Lissou]

I get it now. Thanks everyone for explaining it. That does explain why Lyndon was disappointed and saying "Let's go home then" the first time he used the scepter. Nice foreshadowing! I didn't realise that because the split happens when you touch it, technically all that we're seeing is happening before Lyndon stops touching the scepter. He can tell real Lyndon everything and avoid whatever happened after he touched the scepter. I wonder how he'll die, maybe Audrey will kill him if he isn't willing to do it himself. But he needs to explain enough that Lyndon doesn't freak out since Audrey is right next to him.

[Gez]

I think you misunderstand.

One of two things is true. A) the simulated ambassador doesn't mind if the simulation ends, because he'd just return to his other life. (This is what you seem to be assuming). Or B) the simulated ambassador considers the end of the simulation to be synonymous with his own death and will do everything to delay that for as long as possible. (This is what I suspect is true.)

The inconsistency is thus: committing suicide only makes sense with viewpoint A, but keeping Lyndon alive only makes sense with viewpoint B. To resolve this, you need some alternative explanation for one of the two behaviors. If you assume viewpoint A, you need to explain why he goes out of his way to keep Lyndon alive. Preventing him from receiving a vision doesn't make sense. If that was the goal, then the ambassador could have just let the Jouster kill Lyndon.

Option C) the simulated ambassador is aware he's not "real", and he's also aware that once Lyndon dies, the real Lyndon will be aware of how he died and be able to plan something to avert this fate, potentially escaping from the embassy alive.

Think of this: if Lyndon sees a vision in which he dies very old, he will not worry about the jouster or anything else that is looking to kill him in the real world, and be caught completely unaware. Real ambassador wins. The ambassador is someone who doesn't mind dying when he's in a simulation if that will help the real him. There can be a self-preservation motive as well, since everybody assumes the simulated universe simply ceases to exist when the scepter's user gets their vision of death; but the most important mission was to get Lyndon to trust the embassy staff to be friends instead of enemies, so real Lyndon can be easily captured, interrogated, and executed.

[sty.silver]

Option C) the simulated ambassador is aware he's not "real", and he's also aware that once Lyndon dies, the real Lyndon will be aware of how he died and be able to plan something to avert this fate, potentially escaping from the embassy alive.

The problem with this is that there are much easier ways to prevent Lyndon from having a vision. If he dies while escaping the Embassy, then yes, he will get a warning and the Ambassador doesn't like that. And yeah, if he dies old, thinking the ambassador is his friend, he won't get a vision.

... but, if they just kill him two days after he escaped from the Embassy, then he also won't get a vision. All you gotta do is kill him quick so that he doesn't have time to think much. Like, the message submitted consists only of the things you've been thinking about right before you died. So just kill Lyndon while he's asleep and you're good.

I think the last update of the comic suggested a more mundane explanation: the ambassador does value his simulated life, but not as much as he values helping the Tsar. So if his death serves a purpose in that direction, he's willing to commit suicide, but if it doesn't (as is the case now), he would rather stay alive as long as possible.

Btw, I'm not as convinced as you're all are that Audrey will want to kill Lyndon now. It could be, but I actually suspect that she rather grow old. The comic could just make a time jump, or maybe someone else kills him.

[Lissou]

Btw, I'm not as convinced as you're all are that Audrey will want to kill Lyndon now. It could be, but I actually suspect that she rather grow old. The comic could just make a time jump, or maybe someone else kills him.

The thing is, though, if he dies of old age or something, or really any death that isn't planned, he won't get to send a message to the real him to prevent all the deaths. So planning to die in his own terms is the safest way to ensure he'll send the message. And the longer that's delayed, they higher the chance he will die from something else.

[Ibrinar]

Also they haven't exactly escaped yet and aren't under the protections of being protagonists that have to find a way for the story to continue, so being surrounded by enemies might motivate them to go the kill Lyndon route. Edit: ah no forgot they got free entirely

[sty.silver]

Fair point about committing suicide being preferable. But you don't need to commit suicide now, you can wait until you're old and sick and then commit suicide.

It could also be that Lyndon and Audrey disagree on this. In either direction. Maybe Lyndon wants to commit suicide and Audrey is like, hell no I want to enjoy this life.

[Welf]

Audrey is pro-choice, Lyndon pro-lif, and in particular pro-Lyndon-life.

I really would have expected Lyndon to accept. He seemed to be the guy who keeps dieing in simulations, while Audrey keeps killing in real life. But their plan has an issue, if he has an accident or gets killed it won't work.

Also, Lyndon is ripped.

[sty.silver]

I was really grossed out looking at his chest tbh :sigh:

[Thorsby]

In the latest strip: swords and sorcery.

[Welf]

I still wonder what her school of magic is. Bellicose magic? It's pretty useful.

[Gez]

I still wonder what her school of magic is. Bellicose magic? It's pretty useful.

We've never seen her using her spells to kill anyone; she's tried to use the jouster and the snout elves to kill the gang but never her spells. So perhaps she's a pacifist mage like Lyndon. Except, competent, unlike Lyndon.

[sty.silver]

They're going to want to use the tree spell on Lyndon so that he doesn't die but loses his ability to do anything. I wonder if Lyndon commits suicide before that happens. If so it has to be now.

[Welf]

We've never seen her using her spells to kill anyone; she's tried to use the jouster and the snout elves to kill the gang but never her spells. So perhaps she's a pacifist mage like Lyndon. Except, competent, unlike Lyndon.

I don't think. She uses her spells to inflict violence on others. The first time she used the flying spell he intended to smash snake-Audrey with a rock. I think then she would lose all her spells.


They're going to want to use the tree spell on Lyndon so that he doesn't die but loses his ability to do anything. I wonder if Lyndon commits suicide before that happens. If so it has to be now.

The idea with a tree is pretty clever. TreeLyndon might life for centuries depending on how the spell works. I think suicide, or assisted suicide by Audrey, seems inevitable in the short term.
I'm not sure if Audrey already will die. Maybe Lyndon grows a pair and attacks the witch. He is pretty strong now and she can't kill him.

[sty.silver]

That's a good point. Yeah, he is physically strong and her weapon stealing spell is useless against that.

[Gez]

I don't think. She uses her spells to inflict violence on others. The first time she used the flying spell he intended to smash snake-Audrey with a rock. I think then she would lose all her spells.

I forgot about the rock dropping thing, but the first time she used the wing spells was to get away from the group after smashing the purring cat figurine. (Which was the worst crime ever committed, however it was technically compatible with pacifist magic.)
First appearance of the witch:
http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/228
http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/229
Rock-dropping:
http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/286

[sty.silver]

Oh, the ambassador tries to talk into Lyndon's conscience. That's so rich. He literally tried to engineer history such that a disease would kill half of all people in a country which would subsequently go to war with another country, and all in order to keep one man in power. Can't imagine anyone less ethcal.

Anyway, Audrey isn't going to like this, because if Lyndon becomes a tree, he can't send a message to the other world. This is bad news for their real-world counterparts.

[Welf]

The Ambassador is a douche, but he has a point. If Lyndon dies, this world will stop existing. How many are those? 1 billion? And he would save maybe a few million? Of course, if he does sacrifice this life and exists as a tree, in the OT the ambassador will capture and murder him, and then use the sceptre again and again, creating billions or new lives and sacrificing them.
Also, it's a depressing thought that each time the sceptre is used a billion people gets sacrificed. The ambassador probably used it dozens or hundreds of times. Audrey used it 3 or 4 times on that shadow baboon, each time killing a billion.

[sty.silver]

I'm not really buying it. If having a simulated universe is ethically good, it just means you should touch the scepter all the time when you're in the real universe. You can create any number of universes however often you want.

[Ibrinar]

Well create and then destroy in years to decades.. Not much different than my normal morals: having kids is usually a morally neutral decision, killing the kids after you had them isn't. There are plenty moral systems where creating a bunch of clones isn't a moral good but destroying them after is morally bad. Are your seeing it from an utilitarian or similar perspective perhaps?

[sty.silver]

ye, valence utilitarian here.

[Ibrinar]

I think she will take things into her own hand if she now immediately kills him with the snake much of what he read out loud will be in the vision.

Edit: half called it she first summarized it and then snaked him.

Edit newest comic: were there usage limitations on the staff? otherwise he should check whether his plan works since forming it should change his future.

[sty.silver]

Yeah, if you are actually willing to use the scepter as often as needed (and I don't see why you wouldn't), that seems like a nearly unbeatable advantage. Not only could you find out whether your plan would be interfered with, but you should also know that these two are hiding below the table. You could just check all conceivably relevant boxes. There's almost no limit as to how well you could prepare. The bottleneck to everything is time and you essentially have infinite time.

Edit @latest page: the ambassador is certainly not doing it optimally, but he's also not shying away from using it (touching it every couple of seconds). I hope our heroes have a plan, because it seems like the odds aren't in their favor.

[Ciffo]

Yes, the ambassador indeed use the sceptre as much as he can. Now I'm really curious as how it can be stopped...peraphs there is a way to breack the sceptre?

[Ibrinar]

He doesn't immediately know the outcome of his altered decisions, he could use it again to see whether his new plan works, but the usage time(uncluding reaction time) is small but non zero so there are limits. And knowing what comes doesn't automatically mean you can react in a way that is successful . See any jump and run with unchanging levels. It is super powerful but it is theratically possible that he comes in a situation where he doesn't find a solution fast enough. Or just gets sloppy.

[Welf]

Or they can actively manipulate the outcome when they see him use the sceptre. Like attacking from the right in the simulation, and attacking in the left in the real world. But that means they have to sacrifice the simulated world to win in the real world. And they would have to guess from the Ambassador's reaction in which world they are.

[Ibrinar]

This scene was a bit weird to me, who lets someone holding a big knife in a potentially hostile situation just walk up to them?

[Welf]

Until she killed the guard Lilith sounded reasonable. Trixie is hiding in a closet in a disguise, and she has a motive to hurt the president. Only Klara's intervention speaks for her. Then Lilith gaied trust with the guard by instantly submitting to his order. Then she made a good poker face and stabbed him when he let his guard down.

[Ibrinar]

I know that is the intention of the comic, I am just not buying it.

[sty.silver]

Or they can actively manipulate the outcome when they see him use the sceptre. Like attacking from the right in the simulation, and attacking in the left in the real world. But that means they have to sacrifice the simulated world to win in the real world. And they would have to guess from the Ambassador's reaction in which world they are.

I think you're on to something there. I could see that being a thing. That could devolve if the ambassador catches on and then tries to make the real world seem like a simulation, or something like that.

[Lissou]

I think you're on to something there. I could see that being a thing. That could devolve if the ambassador catches on and then tries to make the real world seem like a simulation, or something like that.

The problem is, they don't know about the simulation, do they? I don't think Audrey had time to mention that part to Lyndon before killing him.

[sty.silver]

Oh, duh. You're right.

[Welf]

Update (http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/424)

Lyndon guessed how the sceptre works. And their conundrum.

[Ibrinar]

Just need to instantly kill him from behind, if he doesn't know how he died the info is of much more limited value. (Or did the scepter show you your surroundings, not sure?) Which is easier said than done.

[Lvl 2 Expert]

Just need to instantly kill him from behind, if he doesn't know how he died the info is of much more limited value. (Or did the scepter show you your surroundings, not sure?) Which is easier said than done.

Even if the scepter only shows the first person view, he would still have a reaction like "that was a really weird death, I didn't say anything to myself, I didn't see what killed me, but it happened in a hallway like the one up ahead. Guards, surround me while I touch the scepter and try going another way."

[sty.silver]

Klara is the real hero of this story. :cool:

Edit: Damn, look at this! What did I say?

Lykke seems to just do whatever the ambassador tells him to, even if it isn't in his own self-interest. We know from the vision that he doesn't actually care about keeping the Tsar in power.

[Ibrinar]

If they have time to pick an action from the hat they also have time to just decide to do something else it is not like they can't hear him too. Unless he pulls something like "That wasn't an real prediction, I tried shouting this and we won after!" fights just move too fast and involve too many people reacting to any changes for this method. Though he can indeed catch traps.

[Lvl 2 Expert]

So, hats are a source of true randomness in this world, and cannot be predicted. Good to know.

[Gez]

So, hats are a source of true randomness in this world, and cannot be predicted. Good to know.

It's mostly that whenever they hear the ambassador tell their plans, they draw a new plan. And they do this faster than the ambassador can tell about new visions.

So the ambassador gets a vision of Plan 1, in that simulated vision he doesn't warn the snout elves out loud about it, so Audrey doesn't draw a new plan. Back to the real world, he warns the elves, so Audrey draws a new plan.

The point of divergence is the ambassador acting on the knowledge he acquired through the wand. And since his aim is to thwart Audrey's and Lyndon's plans, he has to introduce a divergence. It's just that Audrey and Lyndon have figured out a way to game the system and make these changed outcomes work for them.

[Lvl 2 Expert]

It's mostly that whenever they hear the ambassador tell their plans, they draw a new plan. And they do this faster than the ambassador can tell about new visions.

So the ambassador gets a vision of Plan 1, in that simulated vision he doesn't warn the snout elves out loud about it, so Audrey doesn't draw a new plan. Back to the real world, he warns the elves, so Audrey draws a new plan.

The point of divergence is the ambassador acting on the knowledge he acquired through the wand. And since his aim is to thwart Audrey's and Lyndon's plans, he has to introduce a divergence. It's just that Audrey and Lyndon have figured out a way to game the system and make these changed outcomes work for them.

Ah, right. So his countermove is to prevent Audrey from hearing him. Get some earphones for his underlings maybe.

Though... that would still require the plans he predicts they'll use to have een already drawn, which we don't see, or for him saying things to influence which note they draw. That second one in particular is certainly not impossible, but it's good to know that those are the rules of this story. Randomness in time travel stories (and such) can get weird.

[Gez]

SNICKER-SNACK YOINK (http://trixie.thecomicseries.com/comics/432) :smallbiggrin:

[sty.silver]

Quick thinking by Trixie there. That changes the power dymanic quite a bit.

[Welf]

Okay that was hilarious :smallbiggrin:

[Ibrinar]

That spell was both more powerful and more undirected than I thought. And yeah it was funny.

[St Fan]

Now talk about hoist by her own petard... definitely chuckleworthy.

That'll teach that sorceress to be a one-trick pony... resort too much on the same spell, and you have only yourself to blame for becoming so predictable.

[sty.silver]

The last chapter managed to make me feel sorry for the ambassador. My sense of empathy is scope insensitive to the amount of bad the character has actually done or was intending to do. Which in his case is gigantic.

I think we are back to all main characters having plot armor. Which is normal for Thorsby, I'd say, but the simulation part tricked the reader into thinking it was lifted.

Theoretically, the ambassador could have used the scepter of death 1000 times in advance, or even in the way, in order to obtain all relevant information about the location. Somewhere in there, the catapult thing would have shown up. He did not use it to its full potential.

[DavidSh]

"Epilogue 1". Can this be the end, after about four years?

[Lissou]

I would think so, yes. I was thinking it was winding down with the past few updates.

Looking forward to the next project. Once this story is completely over, of course :)

[sty.silver]

I hope there will be a next project. I'm a bit scared that Thorsby might decide to stop.

[Lissou]

I hope there will be a next project. I'm a bit scared that Thorsby might decide to stop.

That would suck. I've enjoyed all the ones I've read.

[sty.silver]

I really appreciate just how weird the world in this comic is. That needs to be said.

And this is really looking like a thoroughly happy ending.

[PhantomFox]

Another project would be nice. Though I would hope the art would improve if that's the case. It's... serviceable.

[Gez]

Another project would be nice. Though I would hope the art would improve if that's the case. It's... serviceable.

Go back to Hitmen for Destiny, and you'll notice the art has improved. However, I believe Thorsby will keep the same style, because it works well for him and lets him work quickly.

[sty.silver]

Now start another comic. Do iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

[Gez]

Unfortunately, we may have to wait several months now. There was half a year between the end of Brain Chip and the start of Trixie.

The good news is Thorsby has an account here and usually makes a thread to announce it when he has a new project, so we shouldn't miss it. Otherwise, there's also http://thorsbysprojects.thecomicseries.com/Mycomics/ to keep track of them.

[sty.silver]

That's too bad. I only jumped on board halfway through this one, so I've never experienced a non-comic phase and was sort of assuming he'd just go straight into the next one.

I just looked at the upload dates and there an almost 12 year long gap somewhere during the arc on the first planet in the accidental space spy. It goes from January 2002 (http://spacespy.thecomicseries.com/comics/27/) to December 2013 (http://spacespy.thecomicseries.com/comics/28/) from one chapter to the next. Anyone know what's up with that?

[Thorsby]

Some of the comics used to be hosted elsewhere. When I uploaded them to Comicfury I messed up the dates. Don't remember the original dates anyway.