Haley and Belkar are still Cloister-ed ?

[Rinazina]

it is happen hundreds of strips ago, the duration is 1 week per undisclosed-level of Xykon (at least 21) .
Considering the last 500 strips are happen in the range of 2 month, in-story-time, is it plausible ?

[Keltest]

Didn't haley receive a Sending spell from the Azurites?

[Jasdoif]

Didn't haley receive a Sending spell from the Azurites?She did, yes. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0893.html)

That aside....


it is happen hundreds of strips ago, the duration is 1 week per undisclosed-level of Xykon (at least 21) .
Considering the last 500 strips are happen in the range of 2 month, in-story-time, is it plausible ?Based purely on the timing?

We know Xykon first cast cloister when Roy was waiting around to be judged (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0484.html), Roy was dead for about 103 days (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0498.html), and then he ran down the mountain for nine days (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0500.html) before we see what's happened to the rest of the Order....So that's sixteen weeks, as Haley attested to (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0532.html). If your two-month figure is correct, that means it's been eight weeks since then; so 24 weeks since Xykon cast Cloister.


So it would be plausible, if Xykon's caster level was around or below 24...and, well, if Haley receiving a sending from the Azurites didn't mean the cloister had expired already.

[Rinazina]

If your two-month figure is correct, that means it's been eight weeks since then; so 24 weeks since Xykon cast Cloister.

if Haley receiving a sending from the Azurites didn't mean the cloister had expired already.

right, I was forgetting the sending, but remembering the http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0709.html panel 7, I was just thinking she might be still covert. and the two months was just a random guess :)

Thanks for pointing out,

[Quartz]

But does the Cloister only apply if you're still in Azure City? IOW Did Xykon cast it on the area or the people within the area?

[Keltest]

But does the Cloister only apply if you're still in Azure City? IOW Did Xykon cast it on the area or the people within the area?

Cloister is a spell effect that affects everybody within a given (city sized) area. Its not a channeled or maintained effect that affects an area, its a once and done spell that affects the targets and lasts on them no matter what they do, or where they go, until it expires or is somehow magically negated.

[Quartz]

or where they go

Do you have a link for that? Because Xykon specifically says that it's Azure City that's off the grid.

[Quartz]

Actually, I can answer my own question: as explained by Celia in #532 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0532.html) it affects an area and also the people within it, so both are correct.

[Gift Jeraff]

Mr. Scruffy would have been hit by Cloister and was able to be scried on back at the beginning of the last book 7 years ago.

[Rogar Demonblud]

That wasn't Scruffy getting scried, just the location the Order happened to be at. Coincidence, not correlation.

[Keltest]

That wasn't Scruffy getting scried, just the location the Order happened to be at. Coincidence, not correlation.

No, it was definitely scruffy. One of the bonus strips in BRITF specifies that it was Z scrying them and targettign Scruffy specifically because he would have the worst ability to resist it.

[NerdyKris]

And to avoid the obvious followup question of how any of them knew about Mr. Scruffy:

Quar is the one who told Z to scry on Mr. Scruffy, having been given the information by the three fiends, along with how to manipulate Vaarsuvius.

[woweedd]

She did, yes. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0893.html)

That aside....

Based purely on the timing?

We know Xykon first cast cloister when Roy was waiting around to be judged (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0484.html), Roy was dead for about 103 days (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0498.html), and then he ran down the mountain for nine days (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0500.html) before we see what's happened to the rest of the Order....So that's sixteen weeks, as Haley attested to (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0532.html). If your two-month figure is correct, that means it's been eight weeks since then; so 24 weeks since Xykon cast Cloister.


So it would be plausible, if Xykon's caster level was around or below 24...and, well, if Haley receiving a sending from the Azurites didn't mean the cloister had expired already.
So we know Xykon caster level is not above 24, is what you're saying.

[Jasdoif]

So we know Xykon caster level is not above 24, is what you're saying.If you choose to take Rinazina's "two months" at face value as an exact figure, yes.

[137beth]

I think the answer is just that the Giant isn't trying to follow D&D rules precisely.

Ah well, at least "still in the Cloister effect" threads are better than "still in Girard's illusion" threads:smallamused:

[littlebum2002]

I think the answer is just that the Giant isn't trying to follow D&D rules precisely.

Ah well, at least "still in the Cloister effect" threads are better than "still in Girard's illusion" threads:smallamused:

How about the "Still in the illusion from #94 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0094.html), panel 4"?

[137beth]

How about the "Still in the illusion from #94 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0094.html), panel 4"?

But, see, when that idea was first thrown out (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?296812-Still-trapped-in-an-illusion), I actually thought it was funny. The title of that thread made it seem like it was yet another in a recent string of threads saying they were still in Girard's illusion, but when I actually read it I was surprised to find a parody postulating tat they were still in Dorukan's illusion.

Now, sure, it's not nearly as funny now, because jokes get less funny the more they are repeated. But I do think that it is (at least when used sparingly) more entertaining than the conjecture it is parodying.

[dtilque]

Mr. Scruffy would have been hit by Cloister and was able to be scried on back at the beginning of the last book 7 years ago.

In internal chronology, that's what? 2 weeks ago... maybe 3 at most.


It's been a while since I tried to work out a timeline for the whole strip, but if I recall correctly, you have to assume that it took Belkar and Haley something like three months to go from Azure City to Greysky City. That right there is about half the Cloister period.

[Quartz]

If your two-month figure is correct, that means it's been eight weeks since then

Absent February, two months in our world is normally nearly 9 weeks (61 days).

[137beth]

Absent February, two months in our world is normally nearly 9 weeks (61 days).

What is this "February" you speak of? (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0209.html)

[Quartz]

Anyway, there's a simpler explanation: Haley made her saving throw. This wouldn't matter while she was in the base area of effect, but it would mean that the spell would not affect her once outside.

[martianmister]

it is happen hundreds of strips ago, the duration is 1 week per undisclosed-level of Xykon (at least 21) .
Considering the last 500 strips are happen in the range of 2 month, in-story-time, is it plausible ?

More like more than six months apart:

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=19024546&postcount=10
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=19024760&postcount=16

[Peelee]

Anyway, there's a simpler explanation: Haley made her saving throw. This wouldn't matter while she was in the base area of effect, but it would mean that the spell would not affect her once outside.

I don't think anyone else was using epic magic (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0532.html). Being outside the area doesn't matter, because it was also cast on all creatures in the area as well, which is explicitly called out as overkill.

[Rinazina]

The reason why I ask, I've to admit, was another couple of indirect speculation:


Is Mr Stiffy still cloister-ed ? because he was the target for Evil team research, and they know Stiffy+MisteriousElf are the Team A near the gate. Despite, MrStiffy was under Cloister longer than Haley.
Tarquin Team will spy on OOTS again? I don't know how they are doing with the Snarl (probably worst than Azure city?), and considering the side-recurring-villains are a thing and considering the Mc-Mechane MechaFace flying boat might be crushed soon, also the protection from scrying cast by V every day will stop to be a layer of defense. Maybe if it was just a good way to get some distance from the Empire of Blood... maybe will open the hole on the curtain.

[Peelee]

The reason why I ask, I've to admit, was another couple of indirect speculation:


Is Mr Stiffy still cloister-ed ? because he was the target for Evil team research, and they know Stiffy+MisteriousElf are the Team A near the gate. Despite, MrStiffy was under Cloister longer than Haley.
Tarquin Team will spy on OOTS again? I don't know how they are doing with the Snarl (probably worst than Azure city?), and considering the side-recurring-villains are a thing and considering the Mc-Mechane MechaFace flying boat might be crushed soon, also the protection from scrying cast by V every day will stop to be a layer of defense. Maybe if it was just a good way to get some distance from the Empire of Blood... maybe will open the hole on the curtain.



1.) Why would Scruffy have been under Cloister effect longer? Regardless, we know he specifically is not now, due to his being scried upon already.
B.) Tarquin Team never spied on OotS. Linear Guild did, before they allied with Tarquin. Those people are now dead. Tarquin's buds could spy on them, of course, but I have a feeling he'll be dealt with entirely off-panel.

[Jasdoif]

Is Mr Stiffy still cloister-ed ? because he was the target for Evil team research, and they know Stiffy+MisteriousElf are the Team A near the gate. Despite, MrStiffy was under Cloister longer than Haley.Hmm....I just noticed, Xykon's been renewing the cloister every few weeks (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0709.html).

So, O-Chul is almost certainly still cloistered at this point: That was the same night MitD inadvertently figured out the ritual had arcane and divine components (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0700.html), and Tsukiko doesn't seem like the type to hold off on acting for long; so that would have been close to the whole sequence where Tsukiko confronts Redcloak (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0829.html), Tsukiko becomes wight chow (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0830.html), Xykon and friends people who kinda follow him around plane shift off to the astral tomb (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0833.html), and then arrive at Girard's pyramid (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0899.html); there can't have been the months Tsukiko mentioned since then.


Also, that means Mr. Scruffy and Haley not being cloistered does mean there should be some sort of connection between Xykon's caster level and how long it took Haley/Celia/Belkar to get from Azure City to Greysky City....Which might be useful if we knew Xykon's caster level or how long took Haley/Celia/Belkar to get from Azure City to Greysky City. Oh well!

[martianmister]

Well...

1. Several days between New Year and the invasion. (302 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0302.html))
2. They left Azure City 16 weeks (4 month) after the invasion. (532, p. 17 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0532.html))
3. Mysterious 5/6 months time gap between Azure City and Greysky.
4. They stay in Blind Pete's home for over a week. (602, p. 3 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0602.html))
5. Several day between Guild attack and resurrection of Roy. (643, p. 20 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0643.html))
6. Roy is resurrected 7 weeks (2 months) before the new year. (666, p. 9 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0666.html))
7. They reached Girard's Gate 2 weeks later (842, p. 10 and 17 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0842.html))

His level is maximum 30-33 and minimum 22.

[dtilque]

3. Mysterious 5/6 months time gap between Azure City and Greysky.

Only about half that is mysterious. They first went north for a few days, then turned around and went back south to visit the Oracle, then back north to Greysky City. Most of this travel would have been in hobgoblin territory, so they'd have had to take side roads and paths to avoid them. But those would also be less than direct routes and they would take longer. So I figure maybe 3 months for all that travel. No doubt the author thought it would be more.

[martianmister]

It's mysterious because 5/6 months is an unexpectedly long time. I mean, I never expected Haley, Celia and Belkar living together for half of a year when I read these strips. So much times passed, yet so little we see of it. Maybe that's why they became goods friends? Just think about all these unseen stuff. Haley and Celia must have know each other almost as they know Elan and Roy. :smallamused: