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flappeercraft
2017-01-01, 02:12 AM
So when someone casts time stop according to the SRD "This spell seems to make time cease to flow for everyone but you. In fact, you speed up so greatly that all other creatures seem frozen, though they are actually still moving at their normal speeds." so could someone as an immediate action while someone is casting Time stop cast a Wings of cover spell and be covered for the whole time stop as if apparent time stops for the caster then this should slow it down enough so that this trick works right? Would it or would it not work?

Venger
2017-01-01, 02:16 AM
So when someone casts time stop according to the SRD "This spell seems to make time cease to flow for everyone but you. In fact, you speed up so greatly that all other creatures seem frozen, though they are actually still moving at their normal speeds." so could someone as an immediate action while someone is casting Time stop cast a Wings of cover spell and be covered for the whole time stop as if apparent time stops for the caster then this should slow it down enough so that this trick works right? Would it or would it not work?

No.

Wings of cover counters attacks. Time stop is a buff, and isn't one your opponent targets you or the area your body occupies with, so it doesn't protect you. You might still choose to if you think he's going to bomb you with stuff while the time stop is up, though.

Ludic
2017-01-01, 02:24 AM
I see what you did here. Sneaky sneaky.

I approve.

But to answer your question no. For the above reasons, and because timestop is happening in nanoseconds. You can't move fast enough to do anything about it once it's up.

The best way to stop timestop is to ready an action like 'If the wizard starts casting a spell, I will cast a twinned, maximized, repeating, Orb of Force so he has to make a concentration check to keep the spell'.

Also, the best interrupt is death.

Crake
2017-01-01, 04:03 AM
The point of this is entirely moot, because you're already immune to anything the enemy does while in the timestop, and as soon as they come out and fire off their readied action spell or whatever, you can then use wings of cover to block the attack.

flappeercraft
2017-01-01, 12:17 PM
The point of this is entirely moot, because you're already immune to anything the enemy does while in the timestop, and as soon as they come out and fire off their readied action spell or whatever, you can then use wings of cover to block the attack.

Not necessarily, wouldn't this block disjunction spells? Read a lot about that it would and that it would not but im not completely sure.

Venger
2017-01-01, 12:20 PM
Not necessarily, wouldn't this block disjunction spells? Read a lot about that it would and that it would not but im not completely sure.

No. Wings of cover blocks targeted effects, as it says in the spell text. this means either things that are aimed at you, or aoes, in which case it boosts your AC or ref save as relevant.

flappeercraft
2017-01-01, 12:50 PM
No. Wings of cover blocks targeted effects, as it says in the spell text. this means either things that are aimed at you, or aoes, in which case it boosts your AC or ref save as relevant.

But "The wings of force last just long enough to disrupt your foe's line of effect to you, providing you total cover against a single attack with a weapon, spell, or psionic power." according to the Wings of Cover spell description. According to the SRD "A burst spell affects whatever it catches in its area, even including creatures that you can’t see. It can’t affect creatures with total cover from its point of origin (in other words, its effects don’t extend around corners)."

Crake
2017-01-02, 12:26 AM
But "The wings of force last just long enough to disrupt your foe's line of effect to you, providing you total cover against a single attack with a weapon, spell, or psionic power." according to the Wings of Cover spell description. According to the SRD "A burst spell affects whatever it catches in its area, even including creatures that you can’t see. It can’t affect creatures with total cover from its point of origin (in other words, its effects don’t extend around corners)."

Note that it says later on that against an area spell, it only grants +8 cover AC and +4 to reflex saves where appliccable, and goes on to give fireball as an example. Since disjunction is likewise an area spell, you would only get +8 to AC and +4 to reflex saves, however neither of those things help you against the disjunction. Sorry, but it just wouldn't help.

Now, an initiate of the sevenfold veil using an immediate action to put up a violet veil would work, as would using an immediate action to cast celerity, and casting antimagic field, forcecage, or prismatic sphere. The disjunction would remove these effects (though only a % chance for the AMF) but you, your buffs and your gear would be safe and sound.