Disabling a Beholder mage (3.5)

[flappeercraft]

So what are the best ways to completely inutilize a Beholder mage other than killing it and AMF?

[The Bandicoot]

Chop off its eyestalks?

[Inevitability]

Cast Seething Eyebane. Once it's lost its eyes, a beholder is just an oversized balloon with lots of sharp teeth.

[Bronk]

Regeneration, or maybe even just cure blindness, and you're left with a regular beholder...

[Tiri]

Cast Seething Eyebane. Once it's lost its eyes, a beholder is just an oversized balloon with lots of sharp teeth.

The Beholder Mage actually casts spells from it's eye/spellstalks. Without the eye in it, the stalk can still cast just fine.


Regeneration, or maybe even just cure blindness, and you're left with a regular beholder...

The requirement is 'Must put out central antimagic eye'. Just because he gets his eye back doesn't change the fact that he put it out. So, no.

[flappeercraft]

The requirement is 'Must put out central antimagic eye'. Just because he gets his eye back doesn't change the fact that he put it out. So, no.

Actually since the Beholder mage no longer meets the requirements wouls he still be able to cast spells? Because in a way the prerequisites are like the key to a locked door, when you lose the key to the locked door you can no longer open ot or in this case the door being the abilities from the class

[Tiri]

Actually since the Beholder mage no longer meets the requirements wouls he still be able to cast spells? Because in a way the prerequisites are like the key to a locked door, when you lose the key to the locked door you can no longer open ot or in this case the door being the abilities from the PrC

That only applies to prestige classes from Complete Warrior or Complete Arcane, which are the only two books that have that text.

Furthermore, even if the rule applied to Beholder Mage (it doesn't), the requirement is that you have to have, at some point in time, put out your central antimagic eye. It says nothing about the eye having to stay put out or not, so restoring it would have no effect.

[Bronk]

That only applies to prestige classes from Complete Warrior or Complete Arcane, which are the only two books that have that text.

Furthermore, even if the rule applied to Beholder Mage (it doesn't), the requirement is that you have to have, at some point in time, put out your central antimagic eye. It says nothing about the eye having to stay put out or not, so restoring it would have no effect.

Normally that's how prestige classes work, but in this case the continued need for a ruined central eye is referenced multiple times in order for the beholder mage to use it's powers.

[Tiri]

Normally that's how prestige classes work, but in this case the continued need for a ruined central eye is referenced multiple times in order for the beholder mage to use it's powers.

Only for Ocular Transformation and spells that need a focus (unless the Beholder Mage managed to obtain the focus anyway). Other than that, the Beholder Mage is fine.

[Bronk]

Only for Ocular Transformation and spells that need a focus (unless the Beholder Mage managed to obtain the focus anyway). Other than that, the Beholder Mage is fine.

They use it as a focus for all of their spells (LoM, P43-44).

[Kish]

This is a "stupid RAW is stupid/stupid RAW is binding" argument.

[Tiri]

They use it as a focus for all of their spells (LoM, P43-44).

Yes, but most spells do not require a focus. Therefore, only the ones that do are affected.

[TheTeaMustFlow]

The requirement is 'Must put out central antimagic eye'. Just because he gets his eye back doesn't change the fact that he put it out. So, no.
While I do think this argument is sound by RAW, given that in fluff terms the antimagic eye is supposed to interfere with one's use of magic, it might be worth a try in-game. I'd have your character do some research on the option first though (so you can get an idea of whether the omnipotent intelligence that runs the world thinks it should work like that).

[Bronk]

Yes, but most spells do not require a focus. Therefore, only the ones that do are affected.

For the beholder mage, all spells require the focus. Since you didn't look it up, here's the quote:


The ruined central eye acts as an arcane focus for all the creature’s spells.

[Tiri]

For the beholder mage, all spells require the focus. Since you didn't look it up, here's the quote:

That quote doesn't say that they need the focus. There is a focus, and presumably spells that require foci can use the ruined eye, but apart from that, there is nothing saying that spells that do not normally require a focus require one in the case of the Beholder Mage.

By the way, I did look it up.