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Korahir
2017-01-18, 07:51 AM
Hello fellow playgrounders,

I am working on a P6 setting (and possible adventure path) and one thing bothers me: crafting in general and especially craft wondrous items, craft magic weapons and arms and craft construct are impossible to be used by noncasters.

Now I thought about homebrewing a trait (or feat) to work around that thing, something along the lines of: for item creation feats your character level is your caster level. Another problem is that in P6 most constructs are impossible to craft although I feel a Wood golem (CL 12 requirement) would be an investement worth the GP put in and not broken given the ressources it takes to craft such a thing.

Now would it be completely unreasonable to half (and round down) the required CL for EVERY item creation feat and creation requirement. The 12 CL for a Wood Golem changes to 6 CL and Craft wondrous item can be taken at lvl 1. This combined with the trait would allow an old gnome rogue with enough investments in craft (carprentry) to try and create a Wood Golem (the DC would be 42 since he misses 5 spells). Given 6 ranks + 3 class skill+ 6 Int + 3 skill focus + 2 masterwork tools + 5 crafter's fortune + 2 obssessive racial bonus + 2 aid another= 29 He would still need to role a 13 to make progress.

Of course since I am already down the homebrew rabbit whole I could chunk down the DC to 35 (extremely intricate as given in PAthfinder Unchained) but in general do you think these adaptions are to abusable? I am fully aware that money machines can be turned on very easily with such adjustments to the rules. Do you have better ideas to let mundanes achieve more with crafting skills?

the_archduke
2017-01-18, 08:32 AM
I'm just going to leave this here (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/master-craftsman---final)

Korahir
2017-01-18, 08:35 AM
Thanks but this only solves half the matter. Ranks are still capped by level so no Golems in P6.

the_archduke
2017-01-18, 08:45 AM
Even the wood golem is 8 HD. Do you want the party to be able to create servants that have 2 more HD than they do? If you are going to cut the requirements in half, you probably need to cut the HD in half too.

the_archduke
2017-01-18, 08:48 AM
Craft Construct (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/item-creation-feats/craft-construct-item-creation) can be taken by a mundane with Master Craftsman in E6. Now you just need a golem that fits the E6 world and E6 requirements. If there aren't any, you need to homebrew them.

Korahir
2017-01-18, 08:51 AM
Wood Golems are pretty balanced for their CR. Some might say the underperform considering that Fireball is a staple for many arcane Casters and eats away more than half their HP on average. Given the insane amount of resources PCs or NPCs would need to invest to get a Wood Golem I don't see the need to cut the HD in half.
What I am looking for more precisely are possible abuses of the half the CL requirement: clockworks tend to be pretty powerful and I am not too familiar with them. Hints like that would help.

the_archduke
2017-01-18, 09:00 AM
Scarecrow (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/constructs/scarecrow)
Ioun Wyrd (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/constructs/ioun-wyrd)

Alterntaively, E6 has as a core assumption that you can get things that require level 8 with a feat. Make a feat that allows you to build a specific golem (like a rope golem (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/constructs/golem/golem-rope-tohc) or graven guardian (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/constructs/guardian-graven)) that reuires level 7 or 8. Feats are cheap in E6, and if these aren't good enough... homebrew time.

Korahir
2017-01-18, 09:32 AM
Thanks I guess those should do.

Grand Arbiter
2017-01-18, 11:57 AM
If you are looking for low-power constructs, take a look in my Homebrewer's signature in my spoiler with other people's 'brew. Vaynor made some miniature golems that could be of use if you convert them to Pathfinder from 3.5.

Korahir
2017-01-18, 12:14 PM
If you are looking for low-power constructs, take a look in my Homebrewer's signature in my spoiler with other people's 'brew. Vaynor made some miniature golems that could be of use if you convert them to Pathfinder from 3.5.

Thanks a lot.