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2017-01-19, 11:50 PM
My whole party consists of characters with INT as a dump stat except for our Wizard. Every time we receive any non-monetary loot, he's usually the one to succeed the Investigation check. He lies about the price to us and gives a "fair share" when we sell it. He even insists on receiving all the monetary loot he can get. It's getting annoying to hear his constant whining for loot. His character is Chaotic Good and I for one feel like he is misplaying the character and ruining the fun team spirit of the game.... and just the fun.

Potato_Priest
2017-01-20, 12:03 AM
My whole party consists of characters with INT as a dump stat except for our Wizard. Every time we receive any non-monetary loot, he's usually the one to succeed the Investigation check. He lies about the price to us and gives a "fair share" when we sell it. He even insists on receiving all the monetary loot he can get. It's getting annoying to hear his constant whining for loot. His character is Chaotic Good and I for one feel like he is misplaying the character and ruining the fun team spirit of the game.... and just the fun.

Talk to him out of character and tell him that it's hurting the fun of the game. Have others corroborate if he doesn't believe you or accuses you of being a wimp/whiner/insert insult here. Being a jerk and doing pvp type activities that other people aren't comfortable with is a player issue, not a character issue.

Sigreid
2017-01-20, 12:04 AM
The group as a group, not just you, needs to tell him/her/it/whatever that they are making the game less fun for the rest of you and if this continues you will all have to decide if they keep getting invited to game night. This is only if it bothers you all enough that it's true. Don't warn or threaten actions the group isn't serious about though.

StoicLeaf
2017-01-20, 12:36 AM
Alternatively, you can streamline the process.

i.e. you've already likely RPed this particular scenario, just have it occur automatically in the background.
At some point he might become complacent and will perhaps slip up in such a way that even low int chars will notice him being dishonest, you could then RP that anew.

Although if he's actively asking how much each and every corpse has on it, then yeah you should probably ask him to turn it down a bit.

Ziegander
2017-01-20, 12:54 AM
Maybe the DM can stop handing all loot out dependant solely on Investigation checks? Seems like a good place to start 👍.

JellyPooga
2017-01-20, 02:13 AM
Just as Devils Advocate; maybe you guys should have thought a bit more before dumping Int...

In all seriousness though, sort it OOC.

SharkForce
2017-01-20, 04:08 AM
the good news (sort of) is that wealth is pretty meaningless in default 5e. i mean, if his greed is interfering with someone getting a suit of plate mail or something like that, then yeah, talk to him, but otherwise, honestly, it's not particularly good for much more than burying it in a hole somewhere in case you need it later unless you're playing with rules that actually make gold mean much of anything.

(with that said, intelligence may govern investigation, but it generally doesn't cover deception, which is what he'll need to lie to you repeatedly about the value of the stuff he's finding).

Sir cryosin
2017-01-20, 08:38 AM
Just because he/she said that the amulet is worth 100gp. Doesn't mean he/she isn't lying. Some one else has to have a high wisdom. When it happens again have him/her make a deception check against someone's insight check. Also is the party not with him when he goes to go sell these items. Ask the shopkeeper whoever he selling the items to for how much they paid for them. Or just settle it out of character be like look man we all come here to want to have fun we all want to have everything shared equally stop being a God damn **** please and thank you.

Alejandro
2017-01-20, 09:10 AM
What is the character doing with all the money?

Randomthom
2017-01-20, 09:30 AM
So, other posters here aren't wrong, you should sort out the root of this problem OOC but that's not to say that the solution can't collaboratively be still resolved in game.

Ok, so you all dumped INT and can't appraise the items like the Wiz can, did you all dump WIS too? Catch him in the lie, ask the GM to get him to roll a CHA (Deception) vs your WIS (Insight). In the case of this roll, you, the other players, get to decide the repercussions. In-character, decide what your character would do if your long-term comrade-in-arms had been swindling you. Are you the forgiving sort? Are you prone to violent outbursts? Do you love money too? Will you demand he reimburse you? Will you boot him from the group

Perhaps you can go into further questions. How many times have you done this to us in the past? How much have you swindled from us? Where is all the money? etc.

Sigreid
2017-01-20, 11:51 PM
True. Get the DM to give you a chance to catch him lying to you each time and then beat him like a pinata until the candy falls out. :smallbiggrin:

Coffee_Dragon
2017-01-21, 09:48 AM
My whole party consists of characters with INT as a dump stat except for our Wizard. Every time we receive any non-monetary loot, he's usually the one to succeed the Investigation check.

Looks like the "everybody rolls" conundrum has been debunked! Niche protection does work!

More seriously, it seems you're all sort of enabling this guy's dickery by abstracting the handling of loot in a way that simply benefits him. First, as has been pointed out, valuation is not Investigation, but a plain Int check. If you're in a big city and trying to find a buyer for something rare and valuable, Investigation makes sense for that process, but then you'd be there with him, right? If you're not, then Investigation rolls aren't the problem.

Second, you're assuming that "dumped Int" means "not of normal intelligence", which is wrong. Your Int 8-10 people do not fail to understand how the world works. They should know that putting a price on a treasure dragged from the bottom of a tomb from a lost civilization (or something) is not straightforward. They should know the wizard shouldn't always get no more and no less than what he announced beforehand. They shouldn't think that they can't go with the wizard to protect their valuables, look after their interests and pick up useful pointers.

There isn't enough info in the OP to say exactly how you should proceed, but ideally you shouldn't have to resort to ways to resolve this that depend on the characters acting on out-of-game knowledge. Presumably say to the player either "look, it makes no sense that you could trick us like this when we're all off selling treasure, so let's knock it off", or "look, you set up this elaborate scheme to trick us and it's very clever, congratulations, but it's not fun any more, so let's knock it off".