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EisenKreutzer
2017-01-24, 06:43 PM
I'm really fascinated by the NeoExodus Campaign Setting lately, and have been devouring the available PDFs.

I stumbled on this, which is a pretty important part of the setting, and I'm not sure just how potentially broken this is:


CLERIC OF THE KAGA (ARCHETYPE)
The Kaga has clerics that worship it, serve their
community, maintain the shrine, catalog and record
everything they see and hear for their lord. Clerics of
the Kaga do not gain their power from a divine source.
Rather they draw power from an arcane source.

Skills: Clerics of Kaga replace the Heal skill with the Use
Magic Device as part of their class skills.

Arcane Caster: Clerics of Kaga are considered arcane
casters (though they still gain spells and select domains
like clerics do).

Clerics of the Kaga may use their cleric level to qualify
for any feat, prestige class or other option as though
they were arcane caster. Similarly they do not qualify
for any feat, prestige class or other option that requires
them to have divine caster levels. For example a cleric
of Kaga 5/ fighter 1 would qualify for the Eldritch Knight
prestige class, but a cleric of Kaga 3/ wizard 3 would not
qualify for the Mystic Theurge prestige class.
Despite being arcane casters, clerics of Kaga do not
have arcane spell failure for their cleric spells.

Arcane Bond: A cleric of Kaga forms a bond with an
implement or a familiar, like a wizard does. Levels of
cleric of Kaga and wizard stack to determine benefits.
This replaces a cleric’s ability to channel positive or
negative energy

Giving a Cleric access to every concievable Arcane Feat and Prestige Class as well as other potential options..
Am I right in suspecting that this is sketchy?

Starbuck_II
2017-01-24, 06:49 PM
No, the sketchy thing is they don't have ASF even if they are arcane.

EisenKreutzer
2017-01-24, 06:59 PM
No, the sketchy thing is they don't have ASF even if they are arcane.

Is that a problem? They only get Cleric spells, so they would not have ASF anyway.

SaintNick
2017-01-24, 11:06 PM
Is that a problem? They only get Cleric spells, so they would not have ASF anyway.

Being a Samsaran would grant them access to a few arcane spells.

EisenKreutzer
2017-01-24, 11:24 PM
Being a Samsaran would grant them access to a few arcane spells.

Thats true, but the Archetype specifically states that only their Cleric spells are not affected by ASF.

upho
2017-01-24, 11:28 PM
AFAICT, this seems fine. Since you don't actually gain access to the wizard/sorc spell list, I don't think there's any need to worry about this cleric taking over the show any more than a regular cleric does.

Ssalarn
2017-01-24, 11:40 PM
Seems like the archetype is 90% fluff with a couple neat little trades; familiar in place of Channel Energy is a fine trade, and swapping out 1 class skill for another isn't going to change much, even if it is technically a slight upgrade.

There might be some weird fringe interaction out there in a separate PrC or something that uses the arcane caster language, but this seems like a perfectly acceptable and balanced archetype.

EisenKreutzer
2017-01-25, 12:38 AM
Seems like the archetype is 90% fluff with a couple neat little trades; familiar in place of Channel Energy is a fine trade, and swapping out 1 class skill for another isn't going to change much, even if it is technically a slight upgrade.

There might be some weird fringe interaction out there in a separate PrC or something that uses the arcane caster language, but this seems like a perfectly acceptable and balanced archetype.

Well, I trust your judgement more than my own. You're one of the regulars I trust the most on this forum.