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Matrota
2017-02-03, 12:44 PM
Question is pretty simple. How does one become immune to a demilich's Trap the Soul ability? Death Ward only gives a bonus to the save against it, but I'm sure there there are other ways. Looking for solutions outside of undeath.

Necroticplague
2017-02-03, 12:51 PM
Question is pretty simple. How does one become immune to a demilich's Trap the Soul ability? Death Ward only gives a bonus to the save it, but I'm sure there there are other ways. Looking for solutions outside of undeath.

Any other way of not having a CON score (such as by being most contructs) would also work, since it's a FORT save.

There's also Soulfire armor, which protects from magical death effects.

WhamBamSam
2017-02-03, 01:43 PM
Any other way of not having a CON score (such as by being most contructs) would also work, since it's a FORT save.

There's also Soulfire armor, which protects from magical death effects.It's hard to be a Con-less construct as a PC, but not impossible. Warforged are able to assume Construct forms with Polymorph and Metamorphosis, which replace Con scores, and should give you a non-ability for Con. A 16th level Urban Druid of any race can Wild Shape into an Animated Object, which also accomplishes this.

As the type pyramid is most likely defunct in 3.5, you can also remove your Con score by going undead, then assume a non-undead type through shenanigans while still keeping most of the benefits, including Con -.

Means of achieving this include delayed levels in a template class (Half-Fiend 1, Half-Fey 1, and Half-Dragon 3 change type), class features that change type, chicanery to add normally unavailable templates (ex. binding Zceryll for LoM-Pseudonatural, being subjected to Aspect of the Wolf followed by Planar Familiar or Awaken to become a magical beast), possibly feats that mess with type (Otherworldly, Human Heritage, or Dragonwrought, though they're a little awkward as you'd have them before becoming undead and RAI would seem to be against having them revert you back from undeath).

Deophaun
2017-02-03, 02:49 PM
It's hard to be a Con-less construct as a PC, but not impossible.
You can just cast undead mask and the problem's solved.

Soulfire armor arguably doesn't work, as it is created via death ward.

Lormador
2017-02-03, 06:02 PM
Veil of Undeath would even let you keep your Constitution score during the process.

Thurbane
2017-02-03, 07:23 PM
Church Inquisitor 8 should do the trick.

Divine Rank 6 or more also works. Not very practical for most PCs.

The Shadar-Kai item Gal-Ranan will give a bonus on the save.

The fluff for a Binder's Soul Guardian class feature indicates it should work, but RAW, it does not.

If Pathfinder is included, Iron Circlet of Guarded Souls (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/h-l/iron-circlet-of-guarded-souls)

flappeercraft
2017-02-03, 08:12 PM
Your soul can't be absorbed if you don't own one, just sign your name here, here and on these 3 other contracts also right here. Do this and you have nothing to fear

Well, maybe your DM could allow faustian pacts to protect you from this kind of effects as now a devil would own your soul and not yourself.

Zanos
2017-02-03, 08:21 PM
The soul of a character with a Faustian pact is still hosted within their body until their death, but it's promised to the lower planes. That will not save you from a demilich, which is an epic level challenge anyway.

Speaking of Epic, the weakest demilich is CR 29. Is Epic on the table for this?

Jack_Simth
2017-02-03, 08:32 PM
Shapechange. Anything 3.5 with old-school magic immunity will do. The Golems in the Draconomicon, for instance.

Becoming immune to fort save effects that don't affect objects has already been mentioned.

The_Iron_Lord
2017-02-03, 08:37 PM
Just be dead. The RAW for being dead just says your soul departs from your body; technically it doesn't actually give you any negative effects, and having a soul that isn't in your body would protect against the demilich's ability pretty well.

Deophaun
2017-02-03, 08:48 PM
Your soul can't be absorbed if you don't own one, just sign your name here, here and on these 3 other contracts also right here. Do this and you have nothing to fear
If we're going the lawful evil rules lawyer route:

If the target fails its save, the soul of the target is instantly drawn from its body and trapped within one of the gems incorporated into the demilich’s form.
Don't have your soul in your body; have it someone else's. Magic jar.

Thurbane
2017-02-03, 08:49 PM
Quori Mindhunter 1 has a class features of the same name as Church Inquisitor 8, but it doesn't specify immunity to trap the soul, soul bind etc. in the same way...

Gusmo
2017-02-03, 08:54 PM
With its 10 minute/level duration, veil of undeath (Spell Compendium) is easy to get up and running all day without persist cheese. A pearl of power and extend rod (or similar methods, to also keep other 10 minute/level spells such as foresight and shapechange going), along with some caster level boosting (which helps many other things) are all you need. You don't actually become undead, but you get the broad spectrum immunities of undead.

Matrota
2017-02-03, 08:58 PM
Speaking of Epic, the weakest demilich is CR 29. Is Epic on the table for this?

Ironic that you ask. I posted this thread since I'm trying to help out my players a littler bit in a 3.5 campaign I'm DMing. Epic is on the table, but not necessarily for player characters. The players will likely be somewhere between 12th-15th level when they fight a cursed/nerfed demilich, but they will have a few npcs with them, most of which are epic level. The npcs are listed below.

Magdus: Human wizard 3/ fighter 3/ spellsword 12/ homebrew class 8

Saphernion: Nymph bard 15/ cleric 4

Shaylatul: Moon elf Bard 2/ Barbarian 15

Lukan (May or may not participate, but can provide magical goods): Human weretiger Sorcerer 20/ Archmage 5/ Artificer 5