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Coidzor
2017-02-05, 06:09 PM
Or, I guess if even further granularity is desired, the equivalent of wooden fencing(restricts movement, may be low enough to jump over, doesn't break LoS) vs. a wooden privacy fence(breaks LoS, some impediment to jumping over, not going to stand up to high Str) vs. a wall for a wooden building (more solid in the face of strength) vs. a palisade(taller, fortification-grade).

In PF there's the first level spell, Expeditious Construction which makes either loose stone or packed earth, but it's a low wall and requires two castings to block anything's line of sight that's bigger than a mouse, but it is Instantaneous. Then there's the usuals, like Wall of Stone (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/w/wall-of-stone) at 4th through 6th and Wall of Iron (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/w/wall-of-iron) mostly at 6th along with Rampart (www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/r/rampart) at 7th level.

In 3.5 there's Wall of Stone and Wall of Iron at equivalent spell levels along with Nature's Rampart as a 3rd level spell and surely a few others that are slipping my mind.

So what say you?

InvisibleBison
2017-02-05, 08:05 PM
I'd say that wood is a less resilient substance than stone. Thus, a spell that creates a wall of wood would be less useful than one that creates a wall of stone, so it should be a lower level spell. A wall of wood spell that worked like wall of stone save for the substance swap would seem reasonable at one level lower than wall of stone on each of the various lists. Alternatively, a wall of wood spell could be the same level of wall of stone if it produced a significantly larger wall.

Fizban
2017-02-05, 10:12 PM
I don't think there should be instantaneous creations below a certain level, Wall of Stone is already pretty huge, but they did go and print Wall of Salt.

Wall of Salt has 3hp/level and hardness 2, with a weakness to water, at 4th level. To compare, Wall of Wood would want to be 1 inch/4 levels, for a bit less hp and a bit more hardness, and is capable of catching fire.

Stone Shape can make a wall with some raw material, approximately 5 squares+ 1/2 levels at 1 inch thick. Wood Shape has the same volume at 2nd level druid. Wall of Stone is 2 levels higher than Stone Shape, applying the same adjustment to Wood Shape results in 4th level druid.

So, a wooden version of Wall of Stone should probably be 4th level.

Shalist
2017-02-06, 01:48 AM
As others have said, wall of --- spells that create permanent stuff already exist, and this is just a weaker (and less profitable) version of them, so I'd argue for 4th level *shrug*. In any event, here are some other options:

Blockade (Complete Scoundrel pg 95) is a 1st level spell that creates a 5' cube of wood, though the 3-round duration limits its versatility.

Tree tokens (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/wondrousItems.htm#tree) (SRD 400g) create big 'ol permanent trees.

Lastly, a weaponized tower shield with the sizing enchantment (MIC 43, +5000g) can be as big or as small as you wish at a moments notice (smash atoms and galaxies in half with equal ease!), though riverine shields arguably work better for this sort of thing (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=10294124&postcount=5).

digiman619
2017-02-06, 02:04 AM
Can't be too high, it only costs one green mana... (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=2251)

khadgar567
2017-02-06, 02:27 AM
My opinion is make it 1st level

weckar
2017-02-06, 06:18 AM
4th, but I'd give druids a 3rd level version. I assume it comes with the same limitation that Wall of Stone does, which requires it to grow from existing stone?