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[tedcahill2]

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[aimlessPolymath]

A recent thread you may be interested in was Alternatives to Spells (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?514134-Alternatives-to-quot-Spells-quot). Instead of putting together a special method of casting for each class, we put together ACFs which could be flexibly applied to many different classes, so you could create a cleric or wizard which runs off whatever different power source instead of the normal one.

I'm not entirely sure how you got that number for pages- a wizard learns about 40 spells over the course of his career (2 per level), and even if they were all 9th level spells (they aren't) that would still only be 360 pages. They really average around 5th level, so you only need about 180 pages.

[Seerow]

He said he was basing off Sorcerer spells known, then doubled it. So checking that we have...

9/5/5/4/4/4/3/3/3/3

Doubled goes to

18/10/10/8/8/8/6/6/6/6

so 18+10+20+24+32+40+36+42+48+54 = 324


...So yeah still no idea where he got 724 pages.

And honestly the flexibility to be able to trade out cantrips and other low level spells known for high level spells known should result in a lower overall pool, to be balanced, not higher. For example if you convert all of a Wizard's spell slots into power points, they'd get several times more than a Psion... but the flexibility of the psion makes them work with less. Similarly, here I'd recommend going for something like 66-75% as much as a Sorcerer. So level 20 Wizard with 100-120 pages sounds about right to me.

[tedcahill2]

He said he was basing off Sorcerer spells known, then doubled it. So checking that we have...

9/5/5/4/4/4/3/3/3/3

Doubled goes to

18/10/10/8/8/8/6/6/6/6

so 18+10+20+24+32+40+36+42+48+54 = 324


...So yeah still no idea where he got 724 pages.

And honestly the flexibility to be able to trade out cantrips and other low level spells known for high level spells known should result in a lower overall pool, to be balanced, not higher. For example if you convert all of a Wizard's spell slots into power points, they'd get several times more than a Psion... but the flexibility of the psion makes them work with less. Similarly, here I'd recommend going for something like 66-75% as much as a Sorcerer. So level 20 Wizard with 100-120 pages sounds about right to me.

You aren't counting page requirements properly. Per the PH a spell requires a number of pages equal to twice it's level. So assuming a wizard always learns a new spell of the highest level available it would look like this. Special note: the grimoire would always contain all 0 level spells and they do not take up any pages.

Level 1: 6 pages (wizards start with 3 level one spells)
Level 2: 4 pages
Level 3: 8 pages
Level 4: 8 pages
Level 5: 12 pages
Level 6: 12 pages
Level 7: 16 pages
Level 8: 16 pages
Level 9: 20 pages
Level 10: 20 pages
Level 11: 24 pages
Level 12: 24 pages
Level 13: 28 pages
Level 14: 28 pages
Level 15: 34 pages
Level 16: 34 pages
Level 17: 38 pages
Level 18: 38 pages
Level 19: 38 pages
Level 20: 38 pages

Total pages used 434. Gave an additional 2/3rds pages so there were pages available for adding new spells beyond what a wizard learns for free. That's how I came up with 724 pages.

[aimlessPolymath]

Nope- it's one page per spell level. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/arcaneSpells.htm)


Space in the Spellbook
A spell takes up one page of the spellbook per spell level. Even a 0-level spell (cantrip) takes one page. A spellbook has one hundred pages.

[tedcahill2]

Nope- it's one page per spell level. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/arcaneSpells.htm)

That's weird, maybe my PH is pre errata, cause my friend and I were just looking at this and it definitely said 2 pages per level.

So the grimoire pages will definitely need to be adjusted.