UA Artificer's Thunder Cannon

[Regitnui]

One of my players wants to roll up one of these guys. He asked me what his attack modifier on the cannon is. I looked at the UA, and besides proficiency, i don't see anything explicit. I told him: Proficiency plus Dex modifier, as it's a ranged weapon. This is UA material. Am I right, wrong, or bananas?

[Master O'Laughs]

Yes, I do believe any ranged weapon uses the dex modifier for attack and damage unless specifically stated otherwise in the description of the item (UA Kensai Monk).

Don't worry, you are not crazy... yet

[Sariel Vailo]

i made it a strength plus prof due to it being a "Thunder Gun" it must have recoil or knockback.

[Sir cryosin]

In its article is calls it a ranged weapon and all range weapons use Dex as it to hit and damage modifier.

[Regitnui]

Yes, I do believe any ranged weapon uses the dex modifier for attack and damage unless specifically stated otherwise in the description of the item (UA Kensai Monk).

Don't worry, you are not crazy... yet

Reassuring. Thanks, Playgrounders.

[Joe the Rat]

Ranged weapon, so it defaults to Dex.

Hmm... I was just reviewing this, and I'm amused that it gives you two tool proficiencies, and expertise in said proficiencies... but it never says they had to be crafting tools...

[Hawkstar]

Ranged weapon, so it defaults to Dex.

Hmm... I was just reviewing this, and I'm amused that it gives you two tool proficiencies, and expertise in said proficiencies... but it never says they had to be crafting tools...

Artificers make the best drummers.

[Beleriphon]

Artificers make the best drummers.

Indeed, they also make awesome navigators is seams.

[Dr. Cliché]

Indeed, they also make awesome navigators is seams.

In fairness, this is Eberron we're talking about - those magitek airships don't steer themselves, you know. :smallwink:


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At least, I'm assuming they don't. :smallconfused:

[Beleriphon]

In fairness, this is Eberron we're talking about - those magitek airships don't steer themselves, you know. :smallwink:


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At least, I'm assuming they don't. :smallconfused:

They don't but you're as likely to get an unclassed commoner with a dragonmark flying one as any adventuring class.

[RazDelacroix]

Magitech airships do not steer, pilot, navigate, clean, fight, flight, or otherwise perform actions themselves.

Yet!

"Alright everyone! Let's infuse this ship with the soul of the dragon we just killed! There is absolutely nothing that can go wrong with this!"

[Dr. Cliché]

Magitech airships do not steer, pilot, navigate, clean, fight, flight, or otherwise perform actions themselves.

Yet!

The Enchantment Centre reminds you that the Lighted Associate Airship will never threaten to stab you and, in fact, cannot speak. In the event that the Weighted Associate Airship does speak, the Enchantment Centre urges you to disregard its advice.

[Sariel Vailo]

handaxe,str,javelin str , a shotgun str

[Sicarius Victis]

handaxe,str,javelin str , a shotgun str

Handaxes and javelins are not ranged weapons, they are thrown weapons. Thus, they use different rules than ranged weapons. As the Thunder Cannon is a ranged weapon, thrown weapons are not an appropriate comparison.

And no, shotguns would not use STR.

[tieren]

Handaxes and javelins are not ranged weapons, they are thrown weapons. Thus, they use different rules than ranged weapons. As the Thunder Cannon is a ranged weapon, thrown weapons are not an appropriate comparison.

And no, shotguns would not use STR.

Probably would use strength then if he was throwing the cannon at something instead of shooting it.

[Sicarius Victis]

Probably would use strength then if he was throwing the cannon at something instead of shooting it.

Perhaps, but that's an entirely different character. We're talking about an Artificer, not a Bloodstorm Blade or Hulking Hurler.

[Newtonsolo313]

Probably would use strength then if he was throwing the cannon at something instead of shooting it.

Well I mean if you run out of ammo...

[RazDelacroix]

I scoff at the notion that an artificer cannot use Strength as a means to deal damage with the Thunder Cannon! Surely there is a reason for such cunning creators to construct cobalt chimpanzees who chuck cannons with celebrated candor!

Okay, so I just want to see chimps chucking cannons now...

[Regitnui]

Another question from my artificer player: thunder cannon damage is just 2d6?

[Quintessence]

Another question from my artificer player: thunder cannon damage is just 2d6?

I would say 2d6+dex...

[Regitnui]

I would say 2d6+dex...

Does dex apply to damage rolls as well as attack? The question comes from comparing with the dagger. I'm AFB, so I'm asking.

[D-naras]

Thunder cannon works just like a bow or crossbow: You add your dex mod to attack and damage rolls with it.

[Quintessence]

Does dex apply to damage rolls as well as attack? The question comes from comparing with the dagger. I'm AFB, so I'm asking.

Yes it does, if the weapon uses dex as attack, it uses dex as damage.

[Camman1984]

I really like the idea of this class, I am concerned that the mechanical servant will get murdered at every opportunity, even at level 6 a cr2 beast is fairly squishy. I like that it acts on it own though so it can run/fly away without me burning actions

[Gembi]

Yes it does, if the weapon uses dex as attack, it uses dex as damage.

"The firearm is a two-handed ranged weapon that deals 2d6 piercing damage, which counts as magical for the purposes of overcoming resistances and immunity from nonmagical attacks and damage."

Does this mean the Artificer adds DEX as an attack bonus, but Spellcasting Ability (INT) for damage?

[MeeposFire]

"The firearm is a two-handed ranged weapon that deals 2d6 piercing damage, which counts as magical for the purposes of overcoming resistances and immunity from nonmagical attacks and damage."

Does this mean the Artificer adds DEX as an attack bonus, but Spellcasting Ability (INT) for damage?

Negative. It is a weapon attack and so uses your dex mod for damage like other ranged weapon attacks in order for it to use the int mod in general it would need to be called out as using your spell casting mod or stating that it a spell attack.

What that statement is referring to is that weapon counts as magical much like a +1 long bow is a magical weapon which means it can overcome resistance and immunity to normal weapon attacks. A magical +1 long bow would also overcome resistance and immunity to nonmagical attacks and damage but would also use your dex mod for attack and damage.