Kobold weight = 25lbs. Imp can carry 90. :)

[Dalebert]

Yep! You better believe I went there with my kobold warlock.

[Tanarii]

There are reasons I run the game with the optional encumbrance rule.

This isn't one of them though. For some reason I'm hearing Ride of the Valkyries right now ... :smallbiggrin:

[Idkwhatmyscreen]

Sit on a silver platter and put the imp in a tuxedo.


"Jeeves, escort me to the door"

"Yes master Kobold"

[Arenabait]

Oh god... A Kobold with Raven queen patron, and being carried by an imp in raven form for a fly speed of 60ft... This is awesome.

Hell, a hawk has a str of 5, giving it a carry weight of 75. Time for some kobold wizard/warlock/bard shenanigans in Adventurers League!!!

[RickAllison]

There are reasons I run the game with the optional encumbrance rule.

This isn't one of them though. For some reason I'm hearing Ride of the Valkyries right now ... :smallbiggrin:

And it is in games with optional encumbrance that I break out the Enlarged sumo wrestler! And suddenly jumping on a dragon cripples it :smallbiggrin:

[jaappleton]

....What's a Halfling weigh?

[Arenabait]

Both gnomes and halflings weigh "Around 40 pounds". How did it take this long for someone to figure this out!?!? A gnome wizard can have their hawk familiar carry them!!!

[jaappleton]

Topics like this are why I ----ing love this community.

[War_lord]

The 101st Kobold Airborne Division "Screaming Dragons".

[Tauguy628]

And imp can give invisibility to anything its carrying... Invisibility that does not break when whatever the imp is carrying deals damage. (It only breaks when the imp itself deals damage):smallbiggrin:

[joaber]

well, imp can lift 90lbs, can carry 45, but is enought, lol.

that's why I use x4 instead of x2... thinking that Tiamat can't carry an elephant is sad.

[Quintessence]

Both gnomes and halflings weigh "Around 40 pounds". How did it take this long for someone to figure this out!?!? A gnome wizard can have their hawk familiar carry them!!!

Yes, if he is naked...

[jaappleton]

Yes, if he is naked...

Bags of holding to hold their gear. Armor of Shadows invocation so they're only wearing cloth.

[Tanarii]

well, imp can lift 90lbs, can carry 45, but is enought, lol.Good point, he forgot to 1/2 for a Tiny creature. (Edit: That does pretty sharply reduce the gear that the Kobold can carry though.)

Same with the Hawk above, carrying capacity is 5x15x1/2 = 37.5 lbs. So it'd have to be a skinny AND naked halfling/gnome.

[Quintessence]

Bags of holding to hold their gear. Armor of Shadows invocation so they're only wearing cloth.

bag of holding is too heavy LOL

[RulesJD]

Both gnomes and halflings weigh "Around 40 pounds". How did it take this long for someone to figure this out!?!? A gnome wizard can have their hawk familiar carry them!!!

It didn't.

The reason why it didn't take this long is that it doesn't work. Even the most basic of equipment (spell casting focus, robes, Exotic Saddle, etc) puts you over the carrying capacity because they are Tiny which means their carrying capacity is cut in half.

The only way this trick actually works is to be a Small Sized (Gnome, Halfling, Kobold, etc) Beastmaster Ranger and choose the Pteranodon as your beast companion. It is a Medium size creature so it can easily carry you.

[Addaran]

It didn't take this long to figure out. In the last year, i've seen at least 4 threads about this idea specifically.


It didn't.

The reason why it didn't take this long is that it doesn't work. Even the most basic of equipment (spell casting focus, robes, Exotic Saddle, etc) puts you over the carrying capacity because they are Tiny which means their carrying capacity is cut in half.

The only way this trick actually works is to be a Small Sized (Gnome, Halfling, Kobold, etc) Beastmaster Ranger and choose the Pteranodon as your beast companion. It is a Medium size creature so it can easily carry you.

It definitively work if you go just by raw. Focus is just 1 lbs and not even needed (eldritch blast doesn't have any). Clothes are 3 lbs but you could go with just underwear/bikini, especially with the free mage armor. No need for saddle, you're not actually riding it, he's carrying you.

So if your DM is actually okay with it, you just need to drop your backpack and your perv-trench-coat when the fight starts then off you go. =P

[Tanarii]

It didn't.

The reason why it didn't take this long is that it doesn't work. Even the most basic of equipment (spell casting focus, robes, Exotic Saddle, etc) puts you over the carrying capacity because they are Tiny which means their carrying capacity is cut in half.Minimum Gnome/Halfling weight is 37 lbs. They can't even be wearing clothes, which weight 3 lbs or more. So ... if they are the skinniest possible gnome or halfling and literally naked, and a Monk (Martial Arts / Slow Fall) with Find Familiar via Feat ... Drop-Gnomes!

[Arenabait]

It didn't.

The reason why it didn't take this long is that it doesn't work. Even the most basic of equipment (spell casting focus, robes, Exotic Saddle, etc) puts you over the carrying capacity because they are Tiny which means their carrying capacity is cut in half.

The only way this trick actually works is to be a Small Sized (Gnome, Halfling, Kobold, etc) Beastmaster Ranger and choose the Pteranodon as your beast companion. It is a Medium size creature so it can easily carry you.

Who said anything about saddles? Any reason they can't just carry you with their claws?

And even with the carrying capacity halved, for an imp that leaves 45 pounds, that's room enough for a gnome or halfling to go, with their clothes (and if for some reason that isn't, have them only wear underwear or shorts or something). If you still feel like being a stickler for noncombat equipment, any reason that you can't get a party member to carry things?

Hell, it says "About 40 pounds" for the weights for gnome and halfling, giving wiggle room for weight in both directions. You can have a 36 pound anemic gnome with some sumo style underwear (About a half pound at most, and butt naked if it has to weigh more. Nobody said they had to wear robes), and a crystal or wand (1 pound) be carried by a hawk with 5 strength (giving it a 37.5 pound carry weight). And STILL be carried.

[Tanarii]

Hell, it says "About 40 pounds" for the weights for gnome and halfling, giving wiggle room for weight in both directions. You can have a 36 pound anemic gnome with some sumo style underwear (About a half pound at most, and butt naked if it has to weigh more. Nobody said they had to wear robes), and a crystal or wand (1 pound) be carried by a hawk with 5 strength (giving it a 37.5 pound carry weight). And STILL be carried.Halfling and Gnome weights are both 35+2d4. 37 lb minimum. So they can do it, but not with an arcane focus. Of course, many cantrips, and more than a few spells, don't need an M component at all. And with a lucky height / weight roll (or selecting your result). (To be clear, talking about the Hawk here.)

[KnotaGuru]

Not sure an imp can carry that much. According to the lifting and carrying rules on PHB p 176, a creature can carry 15x it's strength score. An imp has a 6 strength, so 15x6 = 90. However, size matters. For each category above medium, you double the carrying capacity, while you half the capacity for each size category below medium. Imps are tiny, and therefore 2 steps below medium, so 90/4 = 22.5 lbs.

[Tanarii]

Not sure an imp can carry that much. According to the lifting and carrying rules on PHB p 176, a creature can carry 15x it's strength score. An imp has a 6 strength, so 15x6 = 90. However, size matters. For each category above medium, you double the carrying capacity, while you half the capacity for each size category below medium. Imps are tiny, and therefore 2 steps below medium, so 90/4 = 22.5 lbs.
Tiny creatures half the weights. Small creatures carry just as much as Medium Creatures.

Player's Basic Doc p. 60*:
Size and Strength. Larger creatures can bear more weight, whereas Tiny creatures can carry less. For each size category above Medium, double the creature’s carrying capacity and the amount it can push, drag, or lift. For a Tiny creature, halve these weights.

*I'm assuming this corresponds to PHB 176, but I'm AFB so not sure.

[KnotaGuru]

Tiny creatures half the weights. Small creatures carry just as much as Medium Creatures.

Player's Basic Doc p. 60*:
Size and Strength. Larger creatures can bear more weight, whereas Tiny creatures can carry less. For each size category above Medium, double the creature’s carrying capacity and the amount it can push, drag, or lift. For a Tiny creature, halve these weights.

*I'm assuming this corresponds to PHB 176, but I'm AFB so not sure.

So a halfling or gnome with an 15 strength can carry just as much as a human or elf with an equal strength score? I'd still rule against that.

EDIT: sage advice agrees with you, even if I think it's not right
http://www.sageadvice.eu/2014/11/04/mount-and-carry/

[JumboWheat01]

It's Rule of Cool like this that I just love to see.

[Segev]

The designers didn't want the two most common size categories to have many meaningful differences. They removed a lot of the things that distinguished them; apparently carrying capacity is one of them.

[Addaran]

So a halfling or gnome with an 15 strength can carry just as much as a human or elf with an equal strength score? I'd still rule against that.

EDIT: sage advice agrees with you, even if I think it's not right
http://www.sageadvice.eu/2014/11/04/mount-and-carry/

It's to simplify things. Before, halfing's equipment weighted less, same with their weapon. (with having lower dice, now they just can't use heavy well and the rest is the same).

If you rule that small carry less, you'll need to adjust the equipment, so you aren't grippling small fighters.

[KnotaGuru]

Also according to sage advice (http://www.sageadvice.eu/2014/11/04/mount-and-carry/), "A mount must be at least one size larger than its rider." So no, a tiny imp cannot carry a small kobald.

[Addaran]

Also according to sage advice (http://www.sageadvice.eu/2014/11/04/mount-and-carry/), "A mount must be at least one size larger than its rider." So no, a tiny imp cannot carry a small kobald.

Carry is not the same as riding.

Or else a medium barbarian can't carry the medium princess "bride-style", even if he have 20 str.

[KnotaGuru]

Carry is not the same as riding.

Or else a medium barbarian can't carry the medium princess "bride-style", even if he have 20 str.

Lol, yes, that's true

[Dalebert]

Both gnomes and halflings weigh "Around 40 pounds". How did it take this long for someone to figure this out!?!? A gnome wizard can have their hawk familiar carry them!!!

I know someone who does that. I thought it was a stretch.

An imp carrying a kobold is hardly a stretch though. It means I can't have more than 20 lbs of gear on me. This shouldn't be too tricky. A focus can be 1 lb. I have a dog mount with saddle bags that carries most of my stuff.

Sidenote: I played this character tonight in two 1-hour games (In Volo's Wake) and not once did I fail to have advantage either from pack tactics or Darkness and Devil's Sight. When your imp is invisible and carrying you, you always have pack tactics for melee. Also, since it's not your own movement, you don't provoke AoO and the imp itself doesn't provoke because it's invisible!

So yeah. It's a great combo.

[Arenabait]

Actually, anything the imp is carrying is ALSO invisible. MEaning you're both invisible!

[Master O'Laughs]

I love this idea, though i think my DM would impose disadvantage on any attack roll due to being carried. At least with pack tactics you are making standard attacks.

[Maxilian]

I know someone who does that. I thought it was a stretch.

An imp carrying a kobold is hardly a stretch though. It means I can't have more than 20 lbs of gear on me. This shouldn't be too tricky. A focus can be 1 lb. I have a dog mount with saddle bags that carries most of my stuff.

Sidenote: I played this character tonight in two 1-hour games (In Volo's Wake) and not once did I fail to have advantage either from pack tactics or Darkness and Devil's Sight. When your imp is invisible and carrying you, you always have pack tactics for melee. Also, since it's not your own movement, you don't provoke AoO and the imp itself doesn't provoke because it's invisible!

So yeah. It's a great combo.

So... it looks like i know what combo i will be using in the near future :P