And The Gold Medal Goes To... (Movement speed optimization question)

[Fayd]

Hey playground, I've been thinking about an odd thought experiment. What is the highest achievable one round movement speed in 5e, disregarding teleportation effects like dimension door and teleport? Minor teleportation effects like the weaker Nomad discipline powers are fine, but the one mile teleport isn't what I have in mind.

[Jyuasnteisn]

Build:
Tabaxi Monk 13/Elk Barbarian 5/Fighter 2
Mobile feat

Base Speed: 30 ft.
Monk Unarmored Movement: +20 ft.
Barbarian Fast Movement: +10 ft.
Elk Totem: +15 ft.
Mobile: +10 ft.
Feline Agility: *2 speed
Dash*3 (action, Step of the Wind, Action Surge): +3*speed
Total: 680 ft.

You could go faster if you have people to help you out.

Allies:
Dream Druid 20
Transmutation Wizard 6

Base Speed: 30 ft.
Monk Unarmored Movement: +20 ft.
Barbarian Fast Movement: +10 ft.
Elk Totem: +15 ft.
Mobile: +10 ft.
Balm of the Summer Court (10 dice spent): +50 ft.
Transmuter's Stone: +10 ft.
Longstrider: +10 ft.
Haste: *2 speed
Feline Agility: *2 speed
Dash*4 (action, Haste action, Step of the Wind, Action Surge): +4*speed
Total: 3100 ft.

If you bring magic items/boons into the mix:
Base Speed: 30 ft.
Monk Unarmored Movement: +20 ft.
Barbarian Fast Movement: +10 ft.
Elk Totem: +15 ft.
Mobile: +10 ft.
Boon of Speed: +30 ft.
Balm of the Summer Court (10 dice spent): +50 ft.
Transmuter's Stone: +10 ft.
Longstrider: +10 ft.
Haste: *2 speed
Feline Agility: *2 speed
Boots of Speed: *2 speed
Dash*4 (action, Haste action, Step of the Wind, Action Surge): +4*speed
Total: 7400 ft.

[joaber]

There is more. I have a build in pc with magic itens doing 11,200ft. With new mystic this will increase

[Mith]

There is more. I have a build in pc with magic items doing 11,200ft. With new mystic this will increase

=1,866.67 ft/s or 1.66 times the speed of sound

[Pichu]

Ah...I was doing this recently! Mach 4.12

Psion (Immortal, v3) 9/Barbarian (Elk) 5/Monk 2/Fighter 2/Wizard (Bladesinger) 2 Tabaxi Urchin

Allies: A Druid 17 & Wizard (Transmuter) 6/Psion (Avatar) 1

Base Speed: 345' (http://pastebin.com/kWw6kRad)

Items: Boots of Speed & Potion of Speed

Multipliers: 2*2*2*2 (Boots, Haste, Urchin, Tabaxi) = 16

What Happens:
BA: Activate Celerity
Use Movement
A: Dash
AS: Dash
Haste: Dash
Reaction: Move via Crown of Rage from Ally 2

Calcs: 345*16*5 = 27,600; 27,600/6/1116.5 (Speed of Sound) = ~4.12

[joaber]

Ah...I was doing this recently! Mach 4.12

Psion (Immortal, v3) 9/Barbarian (Elk) 5/Monk 2/Fighter 2/Wizard (Bladesinger) 2 Tabaxi Urchin

Allies: A Druid 17 & Wizard (Transmuter) 6/Psion (Avatar) 1

Base Speed: 345' (http://pastebin.com/kWw6kRad)

Items: Boots of Speed & Potion of Speed

Multipliers: 2*2*2*2 (Boots, Haste, Urchin, Tabaxi) = 16

What Happens:
BA: Activate Celerity
Use Movement
A: Dash
AS: Dash
Haste: Dash
Reaction: Move via Crown of Rage from Ally 2

Calcs: 345*16*5 = 27,600; 27,600/6/1116.5 (Speed of Sound) = ~4.12

how you get the base speed of 345?

what I get:
lets upgrade:
tabaxi, urchin
Moon druid 2 = horse 60ft
Fighter 2 = action surge
barbarian elk 5 = +25ft
monk 2 = +10ft.
bladesinger 2 = +10ft.
mystic 6 = +10ft. (focus celerity)
Artificer 1 = +20ft
Mobile +10
longstride +10
boon of speed +30
major property artifact +10,
transmuter stone +10 (stolen from wizard).
boots of speed for horse = x2
potion of speed = haste

allies: druid circle of dreams lv 20, balm of the summer court for +100"
mystic with focus in Mantle of Fury +5

base 310'*16= 4960

movement + dash + action surge dash + haste dash + bonus action (monk) dash + reaction (Mindless Charge) = 29760

Mighty Leap (5pp) +100ft
Wind Step (5pp) +100ft fly movement

29960

[Pichu]

1. Click the link
2. Where is mindless charge from?
3. Can't you only use one focus at a time? (I skimmed over the rules a bit)

[Xetheral]

Since it hasnt been mentioned yet in this thread, it's possible to break the speed of light. You need to be a Vengeance Paladin with the Tunnel Fighter fighting style from the Underdark UA (or Polymorphed into a Marilith). Then you need something to provoke a LOT of opportunity attacks, because with Vengeance Paladin each OA lets you move. The preferred method for doing so in the original thread was something like 150 million pigeons, properly arranged along your intended path, all taking the Ready action to move (and thus provoke an OA) once you threaten them.

See here: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?487886-D-amp-D-Footrace-Who-can-run-the-fastest-mile

[joaber]

1. Click the link
2. Where is mindless charge from?
3. Can't you only use one focus at a time? (I skimmed over the rules a bit)

Mindless charge from your ally
One of focus is from your ally, celerity is self.
How can you be a quickling and keep ypur old features? Shapechange is self and true polymorph remove your old features.


Since it hasnt been mentioned yet in this thread, it's possible to break the speed of light. You need to be a Vengeance Paladin with the Tunnel Fighter fighting style from the Underdark UA (or Polymorphed into a Marilith). Then you need something to provoke a LOT of opportunity attacks, because with Vengeance Paladin each OA lets you move. The preferred method for doing so in the original thread was something like 150 million pigeons, properly arranged along your intended path, all taking the Ready action to move (and thus provoke an OA) once you threaten them.

See here: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?487886-D-amp-D-Footrace-Who-can-run-the-fastest-mile

OoV feature say "when you use your reaction", tunnel fighter don't use reaction, so this isn't perfectly correct, but with some interpretation...

[Pichu]

1. Scroll of Shapechange
2. I was referring to Mighty Leap and Wind Step
3. My base speed is now 450 adding in the Dream Duid, dropping Monk levels 1 Artificer, and my ally using Mantle of Fury instead. Brings me up to Mach 5.5

[Pichu]

According to my calculations (definitely not KSP), you would be burned up at those speeds. Which is why you have a psionic friend give you immunity to fire damage.

Edit: Sorry for double post!

[joaber]

1. Scroll of Shapechange
2. I was referring to Mighty Leap and Wind Step
3. My base speed is now 450 adding in the Dream Duid, dropping Monk levels 1 Artificer, and my ally using Mantle of Fury instead. Brings me up to Mach 5.5

Mighty leap and wind step doesn't comsume any action, and different effects so they stack.
You need one level as druid to cast Scroll of shapechange, your ally can't use in you. And you can't rage while concentrate.

[Pichu]

Mighty leap and wind step doesn't comsume any action, and different effects so they stack.
You need one level as druid to cast Scroll of shapechange, your ally can't use in you. And you can't rage while concentrate.

1. Mighty Leap and Wind Step are from different subclassses
2. Okay, I'll add a level of druid to become a Psion 9/Barbarian 5/Fighter 2/Wizard 2/Artificer 1/Druid 1
3. The Barbarian 'Rage' description says "If you are able to cast spells, you can't cast them or concentrate on them while raging." It only specifies spells. (I'm probably just dumb/blind, so sorry!)

[joaber]

1. Mighty Leap and Wind Step are from different subclassses
2. Okay, I'll add a level of druid to become a Psion 9/Barbarian 5/Fighter 2/Wizard 2/Artificer 1/Druid 1
3. The Barbarian 'Rage' description says "If you are able to cast spells, you can't cast them or concentrate on them while raging." It only specifies spells. (I'm probably just dumb/blind, so sorry!)

Mystic can choose any discipline, not just from his order.
When you use a sprel scroll you're castimg that spell.
But the 120ft from quickling is better than the 15ft extra from elk rage.

As mystic 9 you could gain +140ft from each discipline istead of 100ft

[Pichu]

Mystic can choose any discipline, not just from his order.
When you use a sprel scroll you're castimg that spell.
But the 120ft from quickling is better than the 15ft extra from elk rage.

As mystic 9 you could gain +140ft from each discipline istead of 100ft

Ah, okay. I understand. But to what are you referring to about the+140'?

[joaber]

Ah, okay. I understand. But to what are you referring to about the+140'?
For each psi point you get 20ft jumping or flying, you can spend 7 as mystic 9, this doesn't increase your speed, so don'tstack with dash or the double effects, how I understand. Is just a single +140 each in your turn.
I think would work qith the reaction movement too

[Pichu]

Well factoring this all in, I can get my base speed up to 455 (Quickling, Celerity (7pp), 2 Artifacts w/ 2 Majors each, Fast Movement, Artificer Potion, Longstrider, a Dream Druid 20 ally, Transmuters' Stone, An Ally with Crown of Fury, An Ally with Mantle of Command, Mobile feat, Boon of Speed, and Bladesinging) As a Mystic 9/Barbarian 5/Fighter 2/Wizard (Bladesinger) 2/Artificer (Alchemist) 1/Druid 1 (to cast Shapechange via Scroll). 455* 16 (Tabaxi, Haste, Boots of Speed, Urchin)=7280. 7280*5.5 (Movement, Action: Dash, Action Surge: Dash, Haste: Dash, Reaction: Crown of Fury, Mantle of Command)=40040. 40040+280 (Mighty Leap (7pp) and Wind Step (7pp))=40320. 40320/6699 (1116.5*6)= ~Mach 6.01!

[joaber]

Well factoring this all in, I can get my base speed up to 455 (Quickling, Celerity (7pp), 2 Artifacts w/ 2 Majors each, Fast Movement, Artificer Potion, Longstrider, a Dream Druid 20 ally, Transmuters' Stone, An Ally with Crown of Fury, An Ally with Mantle of Command, Mobile feat, Boon of Speed, and Bladesinging) As a Mystic 9/Barbarian 5/Fighter 2/Wizard (Bladesinger) 2/Artificer (Alchemist) 1/Druid 1 (to cast Shapechange via Scroll). 455* 16 (Tabaxi, Haste, Boots of Speed, Urchin)=7280. 7280*5.5 (Movement, Action: Dash, Action Surge: Dash, Haste: Dash, Reaction: Crown of Fury, Mantle of Command)=40040. 40040+280 (Mighty Leap (7pp) and Wind Step (7pp))=40320. 40320/6699 (1116.5*6)= ~Mach 6.01!

i got something a little different:

tabaxi, urchin
druid 1 = scroll of shapechange = quickling 120ft
Fighter 2 = action surge
Barbarian 5 = +10ft
monk 2 = +10ft.
bladesinger 2 = +10ft.
mystic 3 = +10ft. (focus celerity)
artificer 5 = +20ft (attunement to 4 itens)

Mobile +10
longstride +10
boon of speed +30
4x artifacts with 2x major property artifact each = +80ft
transmuter stone +10 (stolen from wizard).
boots of speed for horse = x2
potion of speed = haste

allies: druid circle of dreams lv 20, balm of the summer court for +100"
mystic with focus in Mantle of Fury +5
another mystic focus in mantle of command

base 425'*16= 6800

movement + dash + action surge dash + haste dash + bonus action (monk) dash + reaction (Mindless Charge) + 1/2 mantle of coomand = 44200

Mighty Leap (2pp) +60ft (x2 monk unarmored movement) = 120ft
Wind Step (2pp) +60ft fly movement

44380

[Pichu]

This is fun :3

Also, Boots of Speed require Attunement, making you have a base speed of 405'. Sorry :/

Also, Boon of Speed allows you to dash as a BA.

Artificer (Alchemist) 5/Barbarian 5/Ranger (Underdark Scout) 3/Fighter 2/Wizard (Bladesinger) 2/Druid 1/Mystic 1

Allies: Dream Druid 20, Wizard (Transmuter) 6, Mystic buddies for Mantle of Fury and Mantle of Command

120 (Quickling) + 100 (Balm of the Summer Court [Druid Ally]) + 5 (Focus: Mantle of Fury [Mystic Ally]) + 30 (Boon of Speed) + 10 (Mobile) + 10 (Longstrider [Wizard Ally]) + 60 (3xArtifacts via Superior Attunement) +10 (Bladesinger) + 20 (Alchemist Potion) + 10 (Transmuter's Stone) + 10 (Unarmored Movement) + 10 () + 10 (Rogue Ally) + 10 (Fast Movement) + 10 (Focus Celerity) = 425'

Tabaxi, Urchin, Haste, Boots of Speed = *16

Wind Step & Mighty Leap for +80

(425*16*6.5+80)/6699 = Mach 6.61 / 44,280 ft of movement

[joaber]

This is fun :3

Also, Boots of Speed require Attunement, making you have a base speed of 405'. Sorry :/

Also, Boon of Speed allows you to dash as a BA.

Artificer (Alchemist) 5/Barbarian 5/Ranger (Underdark Scout) 3/Fighter 2/Wizard (Bladesinger) 2/Druid 1/Mystic 1

Allies: Dream Druid 20, Wizard (Transmuter) 6, Mystic buddies for Mantle of Fury and Mantle of Command

120 (Quickling) + 100 (Balm of the Summer Court [Druid Ally]) + 5 (Focus: Mantle of Fury [Mystic Ally]) + 30 (Boon of Speed) + 10 (Mobile) + 10 (Longstrider [Wizard Ally]) + 60 (3xArtifacts via Superior Attunement) +10 (Bladesinger) + 20 (Alchemist Potion) + 10 (Transmuter's Stone) + 10 (Unarmored Movement) + 10 () + 10 (Rogue Ally) + 10 (Fast Movement) + 10 (Focus Celerity) = 425'

Tabaxi, Urchin, Haste, Boots of Speed = *16

Wind Step & Mighty Leap for +80

(425*16*6.5+80)/6699 = Mach 6.61 / 44,280 ft of movement

forgot about boots of speed
ranger underdark scout and Ambush Master doesn't work with urchin, because one is only in combat, other can't be used in combat. :(
I think i prefer monk 2, his bonus action dash double the jump of Mighty Leap, not a great add, but is something.

[Pichu]

forgot about boots of speed
ranger underdark scout and Ambush Master doesn't work with urchin, because one is only in combat, other can't be used in combat. :(
I think i prefer monk 2, his bonus action dash double the jump of Mighty Leap, not a great add, but is something.

Ah. Sad how this thread is just us, huh?

I'll drop Ranger 3 & Ambush Master [via Ally] for 2 levels in monk, giving me a net of -10. Also, I can jump (no pun intended) up to Mystic 3. Revising the calcs bring me up to: (415*104+180)/6699 or Mach 6.47 / 43240

Edit: forgot to double Mighty Leap

[StrikingViking]

How about if the contest is limited to the PHB and only 1 of the 3 books between Elemental Evil, Sword Coast, and Volo's? No other sources allowed like UA

[Pichu]

How about if the contest is limited to the PHB and only 1 of the 3 books between Elemental Evil, Sword Coast, and Volo's? No other sources allowed like UA

Where's the fun in that :P

Also, if an Ally cast Jump on me, my speed goes up to (415*104+420)/6699 = Mach 6.5 / 43,580

[StrikingViking]

Where's the fun in that :P

Because some of us treat this as a hobby in between wife, kids, and work. Free time is at a premium. I run a books only game so my group is all on a even playing ground, and can contribute to the group without sitting there watching 1 person be OP as the 9 hells. Where's the fun in that?

[Pichu]

Because some of us treat this as a hobby in between wife, kids, and work. Free time is at a premium. I run a books only game so my group is all on a even playing ground, and can contribute to the group without sitting there watching 1 person be OP as the 9 hells. Where's the fun in that?

What will this do to affect a game? Plus, you lose the Tabaxi ability and eventually all you buffs, etc. will wear off.

[StrikingViking]

What will this do to affect a game? Plus, you lose the Tabaxi ability and eventually all you buffs, etc. will wear off.

Got the answer in a pm from someone else. Thanks anyway.

[Fayd]

Well, honestly, both a Core Only and a UA Enhanced half of the experiment could be interesting, I don't see why we couldn't theorycraft on both tracks.

Also this speed is ridiculous and I love it.

[Pichu]

*Small Bow* Thank you :3

[joaber]

Ah. Sad how this thread is just us, huh?

I'll drop Ranger 3 & Ambush Master [via Ally] for 2 levels in monk, giving me a net of -10. Also, I can jump (no pun intended) up to Mystic 3. Revising the calcs bring me up to: (415*104+180)/6699 or Mach 6.47 / 43240

Edit: forgot to double Mighty Leap

sorry, I miss 10ft of how you get the 415 base.

[Pichu]

sorry, I miss 10ft of how you get the 415 base.

Post #19 gets me 425'. I lose 10 for dropping the 3 Ranger levels and another 10 from losing the Rogue Ally. I gain 10' back with a 2 level dip into monk. 425-10-10+10=415

[joaber]

Post #19 gets me 425'. I lose 10 for dropping the 3 Ranger levels and another 10 from losing the Rogue Ally. I gain 10' back with a 2 level dip into monk. 425-10-10+10=415

yes, but there was +10 of unarmored movement and hadn't monk at this point. There is another +10 with no information that I think was from ranger.

[BillyBobShorton]

What's your base movement?

Level 16 Dwarven asskicker. 30. I never die.

And you, Softkins Purrysmash?

Mach 3. I can move almost mile & a half in 6 seconds from a dead stop. Faster than sound for a brief moment. I should be dead from inertia/G-forces. Or at the very least, collapse from exhaustion or crushed organs after 1 round. But here I am. Who needs coffee? I'm not good at much else.

[Pichu]

yes, but there was +10 of unarmored movement and hadn't monk at this point. There is another +10 with no information that I think was from ranger.

Yeah, sorry. You had the fastest build.....I'LL BE BACK!!!

[joaber]

Yeah, sorry. You had the fastest build.....I'LL BE BACK!!!

WE did the faster build, lol.

[Pichu]

True, true. I added jump to your original build for more distance :3

[Pichu]

I'm REAALLY sorry for thread necro, but I just found something:

These options are available to you when you choose a
totem animal at 6th level.
Elk. Whether mounted or on foot, your travel pace is
doubled

We can go Barbarian (Elk) 6/Artificer (Alchemist) 5/Mystic 3/Fighter 2/Bladesinger (or Monk) 2/Druid 1

Tabaxi: 2x
Urchin Background: 2x

Barbarian: Fast Movement +10, x2
Artificer: +1 attunement, +20 (Speed Draught)
Mystic 3: Focus: Celerity +10
Fighter 2: Action Surge
Bladesinger/Monk 2: Bladesinging/Unarmored Movement +10
Druid: Allows for Scroll of Shapechange (Quickling=120 base)

Mobile: +10
Longstrider: +10
Boon of Speed: +30
3x Artifacts w/ 2x Major Properties: +60
Transmuter's Stone: +10 (Stolen/Gifted)
Boots of Speed: 2x
Potion of Speed: 2x

Dream Druid 20 Ally: Balm of the Summer Court +100
Mystic Ally 1: Focus: Mantle of Fury +5
Mystic Ally 2: Mantle of Command

395'
*2 (Potion)
*2 (Tabaxi)
*2 (Urchin)
*2 (Boots)
*2 (Barbarian)
=12640'

movement + dash + action surge dash + haste dash + bonus action (Boon) dash + reaction (Mindless Charge) + 1/2 mantle of comand = 82160

Mighty Leap (2pp) +60ft (x2 monk unarmored movement x3 Jump spell) = 360ft
Wind Step (2pp) +60ft fly movement

82580' = ~13763 ft/s = ~2.61 mi/s = ~Mach 12.23

[Aett_Thorn]

Travel pace is different from round movement. Travel pace is specifically designed for over-distance travel, not your base movement speed.

Edit - Also, the Urchin feature is more about finding shortcuts and the like, not about actually increasing speed. So that doesn't really work either.

[JackOfAllBuilds]

Yeah, urchin and elk-6 are both about exploration/casual travel pace, not top speed in combat (if you look at travel speeds, they're actually usually half of your walking speed over an hour)

[johnlent]

I'm REAALLY sorry for thread necro, but I just found something:

These options are available to you when you choose a
totem animal at 6th level.
Elk. Whether mounted or on foot, your travel pace is
doubled

*2 (Urchin)
Mighty Leap (2pp) +60ft (x2 monk unarmored movement x3 Jump spell) = 360ft
Wind Step (2pp) +60ft fly movement



None of these work. Leaping and jumping take away from your remaining speed, they are not added. If you have a speed 30 and jump of 40, you can only jump 30. It is capped. Overland travel and exploring as an urchin are not applicable in a turn based combat situation, they only apply in the Exploration phase of the game.

[Lombra]

There was a guy who achieved FTL speed with a fighting style and lots of pidgeons if I'm not mistaken.