Demon Question

[Bartmanhomer]

What's the difference between succubus and inccubus?

[torrasque666]

Same kind of demon, just female and male variants respectively.

[CIDE]

As already mentioned just the male and female version of the same demon. I don't know of any stat differences between the two. As far as I know they're the only openly acknowledged demon with more than one gender. Makes me wonder about Male Erinyes and Marilith or female Pit Fiends and Balor out there.

[Bad Wolf]

As already mentioned just the male and female version of the same demon. I don't know of any stat differences between the two. As far as I know they're the only openly acknowledged demon with more than one gender. Makes me wonder about Male Erinyes and Marilith or female Pit Fiends and Balor out there.

Erinyes are kind of their own seperate type of devil. They can't be promoted/demoted into that form, and the only way to make another is by breeding. Which heavily implies that there are males.

[Thurbane]

AFAIK, the reference to Incubus in the MM was dropped from the 3.0 version to the 3.5 version...

[Venger]

As already mentioned just the male and female version of the same demon. I don't know of any stat differences between the two. As far as I know they're the only openly acknowledged demon with more than one gender. Makes me wonder about Male Erinyes and Marilith or female Pit Fiends and Balor out there.

There are none. The block for succubus is the one for both. Due to their shapechanging ability, it's more or less a nonissue as well since they can trivially change sex.

[Crake]

There are none. The block for succubus is the one for both. Due to their shapechanging ability, it's more or less a nonissue as well since they can trivially change sex.

Correct, as for other fiends, like the marilith, pit fiend and balor, referencing "gender" is meaningless. They are fiends, and they are what they are. A balor is no more a male than a gelatinous cube, it just is what it is.

[Milo v3]

Sometimes they are separate, such as in Pathfinder. But generally they are just "the demon is deciding to appear male/female at the current moment".

[hamishspence]

Dragon Magazine also had a separate version of the incubus (Demonomicon of Iggwilv: Malcanthet article).

As did 4e's Demonomicon (succubi are devils in 4e).

Erinyes are kind of their own seperate type of devil. They can't be promoted/demoted into that form, and the only way to make another is by breeding. Which heavily implies that there are males.

And in Exemplars of Evil, we got to see one.

[ShurikVch]

What's the difference between succubus and inccubus?
According to Savage Species - no difference (gender aside) - they share the same monstrous class

But article about Malcanthet have completely different Incubus, which doesn't resembling Succubus (but very much alike to Incubus in Pathfinder)https://trow.cc/board/uploads/post-11914-1188711338.jpg



Makes me wonder about Male Erinyes and Marilith or female Pit Fiends and Balor out there.Actually, there was some number of female Pit Fiends:
Lydzin (Hellbound: The Blood War, Lord of the Iron Fortress)


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bJaT2h_luBI/VL-sxujB91I/AAAAAAAADRk/T1daXaIs5tM/s1600/184pitfiend3e.jpg

Baalzephon and Zimimar are, by some reports, female too; Utarla in 4e adventure Prince of Undeath

Verin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verin_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)) in For Duty and Deity "can take the form of a male marilith"

Erinyes... Does Malkizid (http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Malkizid) fit the bill?

AFAIK, there are no female Balors

[hewhosaysfish]

Erinyes are kind of their own seperate type of devil. They can't be promoted/demoted into that form, and the only way to make another is by breeding. Which heavily implies that there are males.

For what it's worth, the 3.5 MM explicitly says that Erinyes resemble "very comely women or men".

[CIDE]

Well, I certainly learned a few things in this thread.

[Calthropstu]

Humm
They are quite different in PF.
And I recall them being very different in 2nd edition too.

[Thurbane]

succubus (n.)
late 14c., alteration (after incubus, giving a masc. form to a word generally felt as of female meaning) of Late Latin succuba "strumpet," applied to a fiend (generally in female form) having sexual connection with men in their sleep, from succubare "to lie under," from assimilated form of sub "under" (see sub-) + cubare "to lie down" (see cubicle). Related: Succubine (adj.).

incubus (n.)
"imaginary being or demon, credited with causing nightmares, and, in male form, consorting with women in their sleep," c. 1200, from Late Latin incubus (Augustine), from Latin incubo "nightmare, one who lies down on (the sleeper)," from incubare "to lie upon" (see incubate). Plural is incubi. Compare succubus.

Looks like Incubi actually predate Succubi in folklore, at least according to the source above. This actually surprised me. :smalleek:

[Great Velocity]

That's because Incubi were an explanation for why a woman's child looked nothing like the father.

[atemu1234]

But article about Malcanthet have completely different Incubus, which doesn't resembling Succubus (but very much alike to Incubus in Pathfinder)https://trow.cc/board/uploads/post-11914-1188711338.jpg

Well, that's mostly because Paizo were the makers of Drag Mag as well as Pathfinder.