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kraftcheese
2017-04-09, 09:52 AM
Something about RPGs seems to occasionally attract people who are just a little bit odd. Not just unconventional, nerdy or socially awkward (all of which are fine) but strange, rude and committed to overstepping boundaries.

Whether it's people who take their roleplaying far outside the confines of the game, folks who use RPGs to explore fantasies the rest of the group finds uncomfortable or just players with the tact and hygiene of a goblin, I'm sure we all have a couple of odd stories to share!

I haven't played with a great deal of groups so my oddest fellow gamer was the dude who insisted on pulling his lips back over his teeth, extending his neck and plucking bites off a sandwich over our map during a game (chewing open-mouthed, of course); not sure whether that was just how he ate all the time, but I tell ya, he made a lot of crumbs.

Max_Killjoy
2017-04-09, 11:24 AM
Let's see, there was the guy who really, really liked "German WW2-era" weapons, uniforms, and iconography...

There was the guy who constantly did stuff like this: one of his mage's spells were powered by a single material competent... toe jam.

Koo Rehtorb
2017-04-09, 11:41 AM
Reposting this:


Dating The Creepiest Gamer Ever

The creepiest gamer I ever met was my ex-husband. There is so much creepy overflowing in that withered little man, but I will try to limit it to game-related, or we could be here for a very long time.

Let's call him Jake. Jake and I were high school sweethearts. At first he actively hid his role-playing from me, then after I found some of his books, he briefly explained what role-playing was. He started telling me about his campaigns and characters, at first keeping it vague, and only bringing it up during related conversation. Slowly and inexorably, every conversation started to turn to role-playing. During pillow talk, long walks, midnight phone calls, he would rush through the bare minimum of non-role-playing related discussion so he could get back to the important stuff: wizards, and whether they had bagged the goddess Isis yet.

I had assumed when he told me about his campaigns, he was describing things he had done with his friends. One day he admitted to me that he hadn't played in a campaign with other people in years (“not since I thought D&D was cool,” he'd scoff), but he made campaigns to play by himself, constantly. Not just brainstorming, not rolling up characters, not imagining storylines; he was actually creating a full contingent of players, NPCs, settings, and storylines and then playing them all by himself for months on end. He wouldn't sleep, he wouldn't eat, he would just roll roll roll, and then come over to my house in the middle of the night, stand outside my window while I was sleeping, and manically describe the battle his warriors had just had. He joked his one-man campaigns were like what they say about alcoholics and drinking alone. It was funny until I found all the places he was stashing his role-playing books, how many crevices of his life were filled with character sheets. He even stuffed them into my backpack, just in case.

I was actually pretty interested in role-playing, but every time I showed the barest glimmer of enjoyment he would keep me up all night long forcing me to make characters, like I was some RPG sweatshop. Did it matter if I had to work or go to school in the morning? No, I had to stay up to register on his role-playing forums so I could read his posts about role-playing, or I really couldn't understand the full flavor of it. I'd tell him I was getting burned out he would back off for maybe a day or two. But once he had proposed marriage and figured I was good and stuck with him, he would hit me with: “Well, you tell me about your day all the time and I don't care about that, but I listen because I'm not a bitch.” Once we had reached this point in our relationship, we no longer did things together. Instead, I would come over to his house and watch him roll up characters. Eventually I would fall asleep, and he would wake me up to yell about how rude I was being, coming over to his house just to fall asleep. So I tried to stay awake, talk to him, maybe even pitch some character ideas, but in the middle of my sentences he would leave the room to go read a role-playing book somewhere else. When I found him and asked why he'd left while I was talking, he'd say that I was always chattering at him when he was obviously trying to work.

Jake exclusively played games from the most rule-heavy, fanbase-screwing, complicated, nonsensical company out there (name omitted because I know how rabidly Jake googles any mention of his favorite company). For many years, I thought that was the only gaming system available, which served to crush most of my blossoming love for role-playing. There were times when he'd drag me out to a gaming store and I'd pick up a handbook that looked interesting, only to have him snatch it away and go on a long diatribe about how that wasn't a real role-playing game, and the people who liked it were simple-minded and boring because they didn't understand what role-playing was all about. Now, if you want a real role-playing book, you should buy this one for me...

Because of the complexity of the rules, and Jake's insistence that I also utilize the dozens of tables he had created for his own personal use, I was unable for about a year to make a character on my own without his assistance. If I managed to get through all the stats but couldn't handle equipment, Jake would pat me on the head, tell me I'd for sure get it next time, then hand me a character he had made for his lonesome one-man campaign. Did I want to give them a special power? Too bad, it doesn't work with the plot. Maybe they have a mysterious figure from the past? Oh, no, definitely not, I've already figured out who his father is, and it's a secret and I can't tell you but man it is such an awesome plot twist you are going to love it.

Despite all this, I somehow managed to enjoy role-playing, in concept if not in practice, and after about a year of directed study I managed to put together a few characters on my own, come up with a detailed backstory, and a framework for a basic campaign. I had hidden this from Jake because I wanted it to be a surprise. When I finally showed it to him, he spent a few silent moments looking it over, then told me my ideas were really amateur, and obviously I didn't understand the concept, or the rules, or how to run a game, that I was more or less just scribbling on paper, but it was cute that I tried. If I wanted to try making a real character, though, he had an idea he thought I would just love, and if I wanted to work on a real campaign I could copyedit his thirty page manifesto and his additional 10 page outline and timeline for an alternate universe. In fact, I did copyedit it, and even offered to write up some fiction interludes, which would give it enough meat to be its own role-playing book. Jake was very excited about the idea, until I pitched him the story I had come up with to illustrate one of his character concepts. He dismissed it as having too much “emotional stuff” going on (the character discovered her powers and pondered if it was moral to use them). You couldn't even tell what her stats were, he said. Nobody's going to read that.

After a while, Jake started running campaigns with real people (so to speak) and I was always dragged along, still determined to like role-playing despite him. His group was a collection of autistics, munchkins, and generally maladjusted misogynists who, session after session, could not fail to say "Why is she here?" or "Show us your tits, hur hur" in rapid succession. Rather than defend me, Jake would demand I sit near him so he could continually grope me throughout the session. When I told him I didn't appreciate him groping me when I'd asked him not to, he'd ask me why we were dating if he didn't get to grope me whenever he wanted, or, my personal favorite, he'd say he needed to do it so everybody else knew he was a “King Geek.”

After some time, I begged off the gaming sessions, saying I was happy to hear him talk about role-playing, happy to read his books, happy to help him make campaigns and characters, but I just didn't feel like playing anymore. We fought for hours while he called me lazy, boring, stupid, anti-social, neurotic, crazy, a quitter, etc. The arguments were non-stop, he would wake me up in the middle of the night just to tell me some zinger he had thought up about why my not role-playing was comparable to refusing to give him sex. I finally gave in and kept role-playing, until, well, until I left him.

No matter where he was, what was going on, who was talking, Jake was role-playing in some way, shape, or form. When Jake got home from class, he had no notes on the lecture, only notes on ninjas. He would wake me up in the middle of the night to make me look at a character he had just created. He would call me at work to inquire about whether I would be too tired and lazy to role-play when I got home. Sometimes I had to tell him to shut up during sex. When we walked down the street, he would sometimes jump back and forth, make odd creeping gestures, wave his hand in front of him, or lag behind me to check out surrounding scenery. He was fighting role-playing battles in his head. If we stopped on the street to talk to friends, he would pull out an imaginary laser gun and shoot at passerby for a while (thankfully, it was rare that he made the accompanying pyoo pyoo sounds, but it did happen). If he got bored with this, he would interrupt me and my friend mid-conversation in order to start talking about his latest character concept. Even at dinner with his family, if I looked under the table I would never fail to see him pulling an imaginary wakizashi out of its sheath to slay an imaginary demon. Near the end, he had even begun to do it over the table. His family would just glaze over and talk around him while he made threatening gestures at the turkey. His family never said anything to him; the closest they came was feebly joking about how astonishingly fast I was putting back the wine. During one Christmas dinner, Jake began talking rapidly about a wizard he had made with spells that killed babies. His family became increasingly more uncomfortable, yet nobody said anything. Finally, four glasses of wine in me, I managed to blurt out, “Darling, you have such stimulating dinner conversation!” as I slammed the butt of my fork on the table in a drunken temper tantrum. Still, nobody said anything to him, but it did shut him up, and I noticed after that his parents always made sure to set a bottle of wine next to my place setting.

Jake had a vast collection of books from that singular horrible role-playing company; it took up the entirety of a bookshelf I bought for him as a surprise present, but really as an attempt to get the role-playing books out of our bed. But Jake could never stand to be physically separated from his books for long. When I would force him to come to bed, he would bring a book, prop it up against my sleeping body, and take notes until I woke up and had to go work, at which point he would follow me into the bathroom, into the shower, and all the way out the door, telling me about the characters he had made while I slept. I learned pretty quickly not to complain about his obsessive reading habits or I would get subjected to a tirade about how my reading habits (history and social theory) were far worse, and my attempts to discuss the books I read banal and socially desperate.

The sheer amount of books he owned horrified all worthwhile guests, who never returned, and attracted other creepy gamers like snorting boystink flies. While at home, Jake always had a book in his lap. It didn't matter if we were watching a movie, eating dinner, had just finished sexin', if he was on the phone with his parents, if he was doing his homework at the same time. His books were an additional appendage. Once I was so foolish as to think there was an easy way to distract him from his books, and I offered him sexual acts I had heard boys were enamored of (i.e. oral sex). “Boys don't actually want that all the time,” he'd say. “That's a myth. It's really offensive that you think boys are that simple.” Although in all fairness, I should admit that it did work once, though I caught him glancing at his book out of the corner of his eye, and afterwards he picked it right back up and started reading where he left off, mentioning casually, “Now I know how much you must hate it when I bug you for sex.”

Nothing meant anything to Jake unless he could slap some stats on it. When we met new people we enjoyed, Jake would ask me later, "What character class do you think he would be?" When he tired of his usual solitary campaigns, Jake would try and stat out all his friends and family members and re-create them in his favorite role-playing setting. One of the sweetest compliments he ever gave me, which illustrates both what he thought was sweet and how rarely he complimented me, was when he statted me out and gave me a moderately high attractiveness rating (generalized terms used here
to avoid identification from the creepy googler ex-husband). "Oh, only 14?" I said, joking. "It's a 14 on paper," he told me, "but a 21 in my heart." Then he looked at me like he was waiting for me to melt. Oh god I am creeping out just thinking about it.

During one of these periods, he agonized for weeks over what level of intelligence to give his character and mine. Initially, he had given me the higher stat, then after thinking harder about it, gave himself just one point over me. "Oh, really?" I said. "And which one of us is flunking out of college, and which of us has a 4.0?" "Well, which one of us can't compute a tip? Huh? Huh? Why don't you try figuring out an equation for once?" I let it drop. Probably because I'm so dumb.

Gaming itself was an astonishing horror. Normal people fled in our wake, leaving behind only those who could stand a 24/7 stream of game talk. Any interruption for normal subjects of conversation were quickly assimilated into an idea for a new character. Let me give you an example:

Friend: So my grandma died not too long ago.
Me: Oh, man, I'm sorry. Was she sick?
Friend: No, she was just old, you know? We were expecting it.
Jake: Well, it's gotta happen sometime. I mean can you imagine if you were
immortal? It's for the best that we're not. I've thought about it and
decided that's not the superpower I'd want. Too hard to see the people you
love die.
Friend: Yeah... yeah, I guess.
Me: I think he knows how hard that is, Jake.
Jake: Yeah, definitely not immortality. What superpower would you have, if
you could have any?



Being Married to the Creepiest Gamer Ever

To add to his phenomenal qualities, Jake had become a drug addict. For a while I welcomed his new habit – for once, we could talk about something else. Now I do not say "addicted" lightly, har har, who gets addicted to that plant? No, really. This addiction ended in several arrests, a terrible hospital stay that racked up over 20k, shady friends with bad connections who hid unpleasant items in our home, and the consistent siphoning of my money to pay for his habit. I had to work full-time while I went to college full-time so I could support his habits. He'd steal my ATM card to buy drugs and books, would lambast me for ever “skimming” his stash, tell me every time I glanced at one of his books that I ought to buy them for him if I was interested in reading them, too. Jake did work, at a minimum wage delivery boy job chosen specifically because it was known as drug addict central. I can't tell you how many times I brought Jake the drugs or book he'd left at home and had to step over his managers and co-workers, passed out on the floor.

The end result of all this was that our only friends were people who could stand constant gamer talk cross-sectioned with the kind of people who were as addicted as he was. Thrilling combination! We had such parties. Our gaming sessions were frequently interrupted by the downing of a whole bottle of whiskey while Jake was in the bathroom (he had, prudently, outlawed drinking during gaming), gamers tripping on acid and flipping their **** when we went on dungeon crawls (“oh ****, guys, this is bad, real bad, we have to get out of here, right now, I'm not dealing with any trolls OH **** TROLLS THEY HAVE FACES LIKE LITTLE PEOPLE”), dealers arriving with twenty people in tow to sell in our living room, and massive smoke breaks every half an hour. The woozy alternative states made gamers easily distractable, which Jake would take out on me, dressing me down in front of all the players for “distracting” them by making jokes, dressing cute, expressing ideas, discussing my day, doing my homework, and bringing everybody beverages and pieces of cake I had baked just for that gaming session. Once I arrived for a gaming session and everybody was busy making characters, so I went to my room to do more homework and Jake burst in red-faced and horrified. “We¹re gaming, dear,” he said vilely. “It looks like everybody's just make characters.” “Well, it¹s rude for you not to be there.” “But I have a character, I don't need to make one.” “But you need to know what they're making. Stop being so antisocial and get out here. It's like pulling teeth, trying to get you to make friends.”

Once I asked him why he yelled at me more than the other gamers, and he responded, “You're my wife. I expect better out of you.”

Jake had a favorite character that he “always returned to.” He would re-create him, build him up to King **** of Munchkin Mountain, the kind of character who spent his time ****ing goddesses and killing unkillable entities of pure darkness. Then he'd get bored and re-create him again and again, ad nauseum. This character was his baby, his lifeblood. I once made what was supposed to be a ridiculous suggestion: he had re-made this character so many times and played out all possible scenarios with him that obviously the next step was to make a post-modernist campaign in which this "wizard" (generic term) crossed the boundary of imagination and met his creator, and he and Jake could have tea and discuss life and philosophy. Well, he ****ing tried, no kidding, but couldn't get the table he made to work right.

But let me get to the heart of it. One night, while very very drunk, after talking to me about his newest campaign for several hours, Jake admitted to me that he thought about his wizard so much that sometimes when he jerked off he would call out his name. I must have made a horrified face, because he quickly stuttered out that it was probably because his name was so similar to mine (it was not), and he was used to calling out my name (he never had).

Jake loved to make his own tables, ones that were twice as complicated as anything his favorite company could put out. He created highly detailed sexual orientation tables with a hundred separate and distinct options (you do not want to know what occupied the 100 slot). He created a table that described in detail the sexual compatibility of characters, again, 100 options. He created a table that illustrated all the horrifying deformities any given character could acquire. 100 options. If you're clever, you can probably find abbreviated versions of these on his favorite role-playing board – they're quite popular.

Our five-year anniversary coincided with weekly gaming. Jake argued that it would be too hard to reschedule, but promised he'd make it a worthwhile day. He demanded that all gamers arrive with an enormous quantity of drugs, which they were to give to the two of us in “celebration,” and that gaming had to end by 5 pm, rather than 8 pm, because he was going to make me a fantastic dinner. At 10 pm, the last excruciatingly high gamer left, at which point Jake set about making the dinner which promised to astound and thrill me. I worked at 7 am, so by that point I had passed out. Jake awoke me with a plate of steak and potatoes, and lambasted me for falling asleep on our anniversary, which was supposed to be a special day.

On our wedding night, Jake brought a role-playing book to read in the hotel room. I made some overtures to, you know, it's our wedding night and all, and shimmied around a little, until he pulled out a notepad and started writing up a character, telling me he just needed to do this thing and I was bothering him which was really inconsiderate because he hadn't had time to do this for like a whole day with on account of the wedding. I gave up and took a shower, and when I came back he had finally put down the role-playing book, in order to call another woman and ask her to come over and have sex with him. Skipping over what happened next, which is non-role-playing related but rest assured truly creepy, the next day we went to his parents' house to open our presents. All pictures of the event show me holding up pots and pans, towels, appliances, while next to me Jake reads his role-playing book. At one point his mother admonished him for not being involved, and his father responded, "We're just glad she married him before she found out what he was really like! Ha ha..." Awkward laughter rippled around the room. They repeated this statement with frightening consistency and increasing tones of desperation until the day I divorced him.

At one point Jake had an affair. The woman he had an affair with was a close friend of mine, and he had told her that I was totally cool with them having sex. It was more complicated than that (**** always is), but it's still a painful topic, so I'll keep it at that. She was of an inappropriate (though legal) age, and he took terrible advantage of her, treating her much the same way he treated me. She and I are still friends, maybe better friends now that we've dated the same horrible man, and she told me later that they would go and have their affair time, after which he would pull out some books and demand she make a character. She gamely tried to get involved, and though she loved role-playing and still does to this day, she could not care about his terrible books, tables, and campaigns. She has a picture of them together, in which he is gesturing vehemently at his books, and she has quite clearly fallen asleep sitting up. Despite her disinterest in his gaming system, and her quite clear interest in other systems, for Christmas he spent a ridiculous amount of money (much more than he spent on me) buying her several books she had specifically indicated that she hated, because possession of these books would enable her to play in the campaign he was about to run.




Divorcing the Creepiest Gamer Ever

Just before he had worked us so far into debt that we had to move into his parents' basement, I met another man that I thought I might want to be with instead of Jake. I told Jake all of this upfront, and told him all the things that would need to change for me to want to be with him, because I felt like I was losing my mind. He listened quietly, nodded, then told me about his new campaign idea in such a level of detail that it lasted three hours. At the end of that three hours, I reminded him that things needed to change. He agreed, and suggested we find a new group of role-players so I could have fun with other people. As he saw it, my inability to make friends was what made me feel like I was losing my mind, and caused me to be so easily swindled by any guy who came along and was “nice” or “listened to what I said.” Then he told me about a character he'd just made. I repeated everything I'd just said, astounded at his blasé reaction, and he nodded again and asked me not to interrupt him when he was talking.

Later I told him I was going to spend a day with this man to talk to him and try and sort out my feelings. He kept right on telling me about his campaign. I asked him over and over again if he was upset, if he wanted to talk, if he was okay with me going to see the guy. Yes yes, he's just fine, if I would just stop interrupting him. Suddenly, the next day, Jake announced that he had scheduled role-playing for the day I was to see the guy. I said that sounded great, it would be something for him to do while I went out. He stared at me angrily, then told me he'd scheduled it so I could play with him. He had already made me a character, and planned out the entire campaign around me, so I had to come. I told him I still planned on seeing this guy but guessed I could hang out till then, and he nodded, then told me all about the campaign. Gaming day came. I told Jake I would be leaving at such-and-such a time, and he said nothing, but immediately set about derailing the game, so that by the time I had to leave, we had just gotten started. I announced that I had to leave, I had a meeting with a friend. Jake said, “Okay, but if you leave, I'm going to hate you.” I left anyway. Jake followed me out onto the porch, enraged, shouting, “I'm going to be so mad at you if you leave in the middle of the game.” I left, and when I returned home that night I was prepared to talk about what had happened with the other man (nothing) and what I'd decided (to stay with Jake). I never got to tell him, and he never asked. Instead, I was subjected to a long diatribe about how I'd humiliated him in front of his role-playing friends and completely ruined his game. This conversation lasted until about 2 a.m., at which point he gave up trying to “talk sense” into me, and started angrily rolling dice. Have you ever heard angrily rolled dice? It is a sound you will never forget, it's so small and sad. Anyway, you can consider that whole episode a delayed or sublimated reaction to my nearly leaving him, but honestly, I don't think he cared what was happening, or even realized what it meant, until it interfered with his game. Telling him I was in love with another man was one thing. Going to see that man on game day was beyond the pale.

Miracle of all miracles, after a lifetime of playing the same system, Jake got interested in another role-playing game. He immediately asked me to roll up a character, and when I refused, saying I had spent the last seven years learning his damn horrible system and I wasn't about to learn another, he told me it wasn't fair, he had agreed to go to marriage counseling and I wouldn't agree to play in his new campaign, and relationships were about compromise, and I was a bitch. I left the house for several hours. When I returned and told him he could not call me names, he looked perplexed and said his calling me a bitch wasn't any worse than me telling him he was always forcing role-playing on me, because saying "always" was a cruel and dehumanizing insult. I insisted it was, in fact, an entirely different thing, and he told me I was dramatizing things, which I always did, because I was in emotional turmoil, whereas he wasn't angry at all. Finally, to reconcile, he suggested that perhaps if I at least read through one of his books I could prove to him I was not, in fact, a bitch.


After seven years, I told Jake I wanted a divorce on Tuesday and moved out on a Friday. Saturday was gaming day, and you better believe it was still on. Jake proceeded to murder everybody's character in slow, brutal, and deliberate fashions. When one player complained, Jake shot back that they couldn't handle the game. They postulated that perhaps he couldn't handle his wife leaving him because she didn't love him anymore. There was a long pause, then Jake rolled a d20, and they went on, never mentioning it again.

When I told Jake I wanted a divorce, he vacillated between hysterical crying and total denial. I encouraged his denial, because while hysterically crying he was prone to do things like stand at the bathroom door sobbing “Don't leave me” while I brushed my teeth, or stand at the window staring bug-eyed at me as I walked to the bus stop, or call me at work and leave messages that consisted of several minutes of crying, and then “I promised myself I wouldn't cry,” and then several more minutes of crying. Or, since we¹re being creepy here, my personal favorite, waking up at 3 a.m. to find him
standing next to my bed staring at me eerily; once he saw I was awake, he told me he had been standing there thinking of strangling me. I told him that was a scary and ****ed-up thing to tell somebody, and he told me that was okay because he felt scared and ****ed-up, and I was cruel to hold it against him. But I digress from gaming creepy. During one of his periods of denial, in which he lived in a fantasy world in which we were going to be friends or friends with benefits or just dating, he brightened considerably and said, “Do you know, this will really be best for us, because when we¹re just friends you can play in my new campaign.”


The day I left Jake, he called me several hours after I had moved everything out of his parents' basement. I was eating a celebratory dinner with a friend who had helped me move. First he asked me how moving had gone, then he told me about his day, then, after a slight pause, he began to tell me about an idea for a character he'd had while at his Narcotics Anonymous meeting. I was so conditioned to just nod and say, “uh huh” at appropriate intervals that I might have continued doing it for quite some time. Luckily, the friend I was with had an obnoxious personal habit of shouting at me whenever I was on the phone. “Tell that ******* you left him because he can never shut up!” she yelled. “Tell him nobody wants to hear about his creepy ****! Tell him he's lonely and depressed and ****ing weird!” Jake heard her yelling, and raised his voice until he was yelling character ideas into the phone. I interrupted and told him, “You know, we are divorced now. You cannot call me to tell me about role-playing.” I believe it finally sunk in for him at that moment, when he said, “Oh. Oh. We're... we're really broken up, aren't we?”

You may consider this a story of the triumph of the human spirit over enormous odds, because I still like role-playing.

Post stolen from RPGnet (https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?369229-Necro-Creepiest-Person-You-ve-Ever-Gamed-With-Part-Deux).

legomaster00156
2017-04-09, 12:19 PM
I have had the fortune to not really know any gamers I'd consider creepy (though at least one of my current players is strangely obsessed with Sonic vs. Goku arguments). I just have to comment on the sheer horror of the person above me, because wow. :smalleek:

Max_Killjoy
2017-04-09, 12:20 PM
Ugh.

She was right to leave him, and he was creepy as heck from that description, and I'm not going down "two sides to every story" lane.

But... I also feel some human pity for "Jake" too. Sounds like he had some serious stuff wrong in his brain that could have used some help, that he probably never got.

Eldan
2017-04-09, 01:00 PM
Nothing really creepy, ever. Worst I had was a guy who played in several of my groups. Good roleplayer, generally, the one who got people to play things out instead of just rushing to objectives, interesting backstories, all fine. He also played a lot of female characters. Sure, fine, no problem with that, I've played female characters before. Really attractive female characters. With really large breasts. Which he sometimes mentioned five or six times per game evening. What made it even weirder was that he was gay, so it wasn't even the usual cliché.

After we kept looking at him strangely every time he did that and he caused a few awkward silences, he got bashful, dropped the subject and never mentioned breasts again.

So yeah, nothing to compare here to other stories I've heard.

JNAProductions
2017-04-09, 01:03 PM
Nothing really creepy, ever. Worst I had was a guy who played in several of my groups. Good roleplayer, generally, the one who got people to play things out instead of just rushing to objectives, interesting backstories, all fine. He also played a lot of female characters. Sure, fine, no problem with that, I've played female characters before. Really attractive female characters. With really large breasts. Which he sometimes mentioned five or six times per game evening. What made it even weirder was that he was gay, so it wasn't even the usual cliché.

After we kept looking at him strangely every time he did that and he caused a few awkward silences, he got bashful, dropped the subject and never mentioned breasts again.

So yeah, nothing to compare here to other stories I've heard.

That's just odd. But hey, at least it had a good ending!

BWR
2017-04-09, 01:08 PM
I have nothing to compare with that horror story.

The closest is one of the founding members of the gaming club I hung out at some years back. Most of the members were decent people, even if the 'awkward teen boy' factor was high. M, however, was different. Mostly he was just a mousey quiet type, probably a bit misogynistic (or just scared of girls). He was never much into RPGs, being more into board games. Even that was not his true passion. His number one pleasure was being a bureaucrat. Organizing things, having meetings, arranging jobs to get money for the club, doing paperwork, etc. And he was good at it. For years he was in the Triumvirate (I regret making that joke), often in the role of treasurer. The problems showed up after I stopped attending the club. He was apparently too fond of being in charge and started ignoring the actual members of the club if possible. more and more money went to things like laminating machines, copying machines, printers, safes, cupboards, office supplies etc., far more than the club needed, and less money was going to actual games. He became terribly rude to people, but they put up with him because he was doing a job no one else wanted to do. Eventually everyone got fed up with him, especially after the incident where he told one girl the only reason an ugly thing like her was welcome in the club was that people pitied her.

He was unanimously voted out of the Triumvirate and expelled from the club for being a ****, unsurprisingly. He then refused to hand over the keys to the safe and cupboards where the papers and games were, and tried to sabotage the club by canceling jobs they had lined up and more. The new leader had to get the police to come over with a court order to get him to hand over the keys and whatnot. I can't recall if he'd done anything to the money, but it would not surprise me if he had.

Donnadogsoth
2017-04-09, 01:25 PM
Probably a 1/10 on the Gamer Creepiness Scale, was a group I joined...for a day. On the telephone interview I was instructed that this group was super-politically correct, not tolerating racism, sexism, etc.. Fine, I said. A few days later I visited the house, a student house. Gamer/nerd junk everywhere. Open, well-used catbox in the kitchen. Stacks of pizza boxes on the counter amidst the unwashed pots. The games room itself was Modern Nerd Deco with unopened (and never-to-be-opened) toys hung like trophies on the wall. "Play with me..." they said in a tiny voice, "Please play with me...". I settled in, the room swelled with gamers. And then the DM fondly recounted to me in loving detail a gamer tale climaxing in a homosexual rape...of a dwarf by a minotaur...played for laughs. Right. We played a bit of D&D after that, and after my character had been killed I suddenly informed them I had had my fill of roleplaying, and then made my way to the door, never to darken it again. Like I said, 1/10, not super creepy, but, there you have it.

BayardSPSR
2017-04-09, 02:14 PM
Reposting this:

...

Post stolen from RPGnet (https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?369229-Necro-Creepiest-Person-You-ve-Ever-Gamed-With-Part-Deux).

... No words for that one.

The worst I've gamed with was That Guy Who Insists on Playing a Scantily-Clad Female Elf in a Misogynistic Manner, but that was only for one session. I had to take my dice away from him because we were gaming on a moving, rickety train at night, and he dropped the dice every single time he rolled. There were eight or so people in the group, and not enough dice for everybody, so we would have been in a pickle if they'd gotten lost.

Piedmon_Sama
2017-04-09, 02:50 PM
Fun fact about me: I like to draw. I basically am constantly drawing. When I play I usually have a sketchbook open and am working on something. So, a couple years back I'm doodling some thing or another.... ah right, okay so this was a D20 Modern campaign influenced by Call of Cthulhu. GM wanted everybody to play "normal people." Some of my friends' concepts for "normal people" included "a lost cat detective," and "a Russian lion-tamer from the circus." (In best Yakov Smirnov impression: "ohhhh boyy, dey're naht goink to like disz...") Sensing the way the wind was shifting, my character pitch to the GM was "a mystery-solving nun" which I proceeded to illustrate. I basically drew Velma Dinkley in a nun's habit, more or less exactly what you'd picture if I said "mystery-solving nun" right?

So back in the day my friends and I played in the back of our local game store. It was something of an "open table" basically you could bring friends of friends or even just show up and ask to play, we'd let in anybody. So we had this guy there for the first time and he was basically what you'd expect----potato shaped, face like sweaty mozzarella, what hair he had forming a whirlpool of grease, had a tattoo of his dwarf PC from AD&D-times "which reached level 40, totally legit" (like okay dude, I believe you).

So basically as a joke I scratch out a drawing of this four-eyed nun and am like "how about it?" and this dude who I don't know at all is sitting next to me and when I withdraw the sketchbook he leans in, glances at the rest of the table like he doesn't want them to hear, looks at me very seriously and says "d--do you do..... nudes? Female nudes?"

Me: Uhh---n--no. No I don't.

That guy clung on for a few more sessions. I tried not to sit next to him again.

Max_Killjoy
2017-04-09, 04:30 PM
Fun fact about me: I like to draw. I basically am constantly drawing. When I play I usually have a sketchbook open and am working on something. So, a couple years back I'm doodling some thing or another.... ah right, okay so this was a D20 Modern campaign influenced by Call of Cthulhu. GM wanted everybody to play "normal people." Some of my friends' concepts for "normal people" included "a lost cat detective," and "a Russian lion-tamer from the circus." (In best Yakov Smirnov impression: "ohhhh boyy, dey're naht goink to like disz...") Sensing the way the wind was shifting, my character pitch to the GM was "a mystery-solving nun" which I proceeded to illustrate. I basically drew Velma Dinkley in a nun's habit, more or less exactly what you'd picture if I said "mystery-solving nun" right?

So back in the day my friends and I played in the back of our local game store. It was something of an "open table" basically you could bring friends of friends or even just show up and ask to play, we'd let in anybody. So we had this guy there for the first time and he was basically what you'd expect----potato shaped, face like sweaty mozzarella, what hair he had forming a whirlpool of grease, had a tattoo of his dwarf PC from AD&D-times "which reached level 40, totally legit" (like okay dude, I believe you).

So basically as a joke I scratch out a drawing of this four-eyed nun and am like "how about it?" and this dude who I don't know at all is sitting next to me and when I withdraw the sketchbook he leans in, glances at the rest of the table like he doesn't want them to hear, looks at me very seriously and says "d--do you do..... nudes? Female nudes?"

Me: Uhh---n--no. No I don't.

That guy clung on for a few more sessions. I tried not to sit next to him again.

Bleah... real life needs a -1 button.

CharonsHelper
2017-04-09, 05:27 PM
The worst I've had are at conventions where people were stinky and didn't know the rules. I did have one of those with a really badly built PFS rogue - and got offended when I asked why he didn't have a buckler since he wasn't TWF (he wasn't "some munchkin") - and then in the middle of the session got up and threw a hissy fit about how the GM was horrible and the session was horrible etc. and left the table.

The GM wasn't amazing, but he was okay. We'd been having trouble since he and another rogue were pretty sub-par, but that wasn't the GM's fault, so it was mostly me (drunken master monk) and a mediocre dex fighter doing the heavy lifting. I got the impression that he'd been grumpy since I'd dared imply that he could improve his character.

Knaight
2017-04-09, 05:41 PM
The worst I had was a teenage guy (which described most of the group at that point, because I was GMing for friends and siblings of friends and I was about 15 at the time) who decided to play a lesbian nymphomaniac, and who played it exactly as well as the first part of the sentence suggested. It's not much, and it's especially not much compared to that nightmare story upthread.

bryce0lynch
2017-04-09, 06:16 PM
My wife used to run a 2000+ member D&D meetup. A few times a year we would have LARGE roleplaying events at our house; 50-75 people. She usually charged $1, under the philosophy that people who could not or would not spend $1, to be fed pizza & beer, chips & soda, were not people to invite to your home.

One event, a new guy kept contacting her beforehand about the $1. This, that, can he pay by check, etc. Day of the event comes and there's a group playing Call of Cthulhu in the backroom, and he's a part of the game. He starts to REALLY freak out when the stage cigarettes come out (its a 1920's jazz club) about people smoking in the house. Later, a woman in a minivan shows up with eight young kids. "Woah, lady, what are you doing dropping those kids off! You can't do that!" "Why not?! The meetup said it was a public event!" The kids start to freak when she tells them I won't let them stay and use our pool. It's dudes foster mother and family. Fine. Dude, you need to watch the kids by the pool. [No, I'm going to crush the hearts of a bunch of young foster kids. Instead I'm going to thank Pazuzu that I have a good home owners policy and sit nervously the rest of the day.]

Later the kids leave. We have a real red velvet cake in the form of a dragon. The dude eats the cake like he's never tasted cake before in his life. I mean just smashing it in. It's like a cartoon, with bits of icing and red velvet around his mouth. He eats about a third of the cake by himself. It's getting late, the dude doesn't get several references to "its time to leave" ... maybe because there's one table of people who haven't finished up yet. My wife puts on something on skinimax. Dude holds himself with both hands and starts rocking back and forth staying "I'm very uncomfortable." Finally, he just walks out the door, down the long driveway, and off down the street, at 2am.

We no longer do public games.

Velaryon
2017-04-09, 07:20 PM
I haven't had anybody too bad; certainly some folks in this thread have had much bigger creeps in their groups. I can think or one or two that bear mention, though.

The first, let's call him Z, is maybe 8-10 years younger than the rest of my regulars. He's a pretty okay guy for the most part, though he seems a bit hyper sometimes, and tends to play pretty much the same one or two characters every campaign - badass swordsman or generic barbarian. Where the creepy bit comes in is that he will hit on pretty much any female character, PC or NPC. I don't spend much time with Z outside of game nights, but I am under the impression that he's somewhat like this in real life as well. He'll usually drop it after it's been made clear the character isn't interesting, but it still provokes an eyeroll, and makes me hesitant to cross-play characters because I don't want to deal with it. However, our group tends to juggle several games at once and he's only in one of them, so I don't see him that often.

Another, slightly more annoying guy, we'll call M. The problem with M is he has absolutely no shame and therefore no boundaries. He'll talk about any sort of thing, up to and including sexual things, right there at the table even if it's not relevant to what's going on. And when asked to drop the subject, he'll act as though the person who requested it is hyper-sensitive, rather than acknowledge that there may be a time and place for that kind of thing, but at the gaming table during D&D isn't it. Only one of us even likes M to begin with, but unfortunately that person is usually the one hosting the game. Thankfully, M doesn't live in the area anymore, so we only have to put up with a visit from him once every couple of years.

souridealist
2017-04-09, 08:55 PM
I've had a guy playing a beautiful diplomancer dread necromancer (no, of course he didn't roleplay the diplomacy! "I roll a diplomacy. I get a 48 at first level. Now this NPC is going to do everything I say. What do you mean, what did I just say to him? It doesn't matter, I got a 48.")

Same game had a guy who thought every plan out of my mouth was the stupidest idea possible... until one of the other players suggested the same plan. I was also the only woman at the table. I'm sure these were totally unrelated. (I had a pretty good track record, too.) My now-husband persuaded me to drop that group and found me another one, and I give it a good fifty-fifty chance he saved my interest in roleplaying.

In a different group, there was one guy who always seemed a little skeezy, got uncomfortably intense about guns, things like that, but he was married with a kid and never actually did or said anything to me, so I just thought of him as kind of annoying. In one Call of Cthulhu one-shot he played a fedora-tipping m'lady-saying gangster, and I made a crack about coming off as creepy. At the time, the only way I had to get to games was cadging rides from the other players; he was my ride home that night. A few blocks out, he says "You know, you're in my car. I could make you get out and walk home. Now, aren't you sorry you called me creepy?"

I was not sorry I called him creepy. I thought I'd hit the nail on the head. I was sure as hell sorry I'd gotten into his car, though. I guess it's possible, maybe, that he didn't know I'd hear "you're stuck in my car, and I have the power to make you walk home" with the subtext of "I also have the power to lock the doors, pull off onto a back road, rape you, and leave you in a ditch," but that's what was in my head right then. So, uh, PSA to guys who really are nice, just kind of awkward: don't do what that guy did.

On a brighter note, both of the older, balding guys with a persistent aroma of weed and beards in which you could lose a small squirrel turned out to be genuinely good guys.

ross
2017-04-10, 12:11 AM
personifcation of /tg/


I don't get it. Like how lonely and depressed does a guy have to get before he decides to sort his ****ing life out? christ

Corsair14
2017-04-10, 07:05 AM
Lets see, had an older guy who was one of the heads of our college gaming group. Nice enough guy, fairly loud. About ten years older than the rest of us, I was 26ish at the time. He was a tall, overweight, bald black dude(note I am just giving the description of what he looked like), had a horrible habit of wearing fishnet tops(we finally got him to stop by telling him he couldn't hang out with us dressed like that) and super baggy black pants with the chain danglies and stuff. Like I said, nice enough guy, he fully funded the Crux Shadows(goth electro music very interesting lyrics) to come play a free concert at school. He disappeared for awhile and his arch-nemesis, a much less likable guy who we totally thought would be the one who did this, came to one game session with a print out and handed it to us. Apparently our guy did the whole luring an under-aged chick to his apartment/statutory rape thing and was sitting in a prison cell in southern GA. His arch nemesis printed up his mug shot and rap sheet along with where he was incarcerated. Yeah good times.

Quertus
2017-04-10, 10:23 AM
Hmmm... Let me instead describe the creepiest gamer I'd continue gaming with.

His iconic t-shirt read, "you can't have manslaughter without laughter". I'm pretty sure he was wearing it when I met him, and (it felt like) at least half the times when we gamed. Might just be a trick of my memory.

Although his characters were certainly never paladin material, it wasn't until he played a Cultist of Slanesh that he truly shined. I couldn't even think up half the things he'd say or do with that character, let alone deliver them with anything remotely resembling in-character delight. It's possible I've applied a little brain bleach to forget a few of the more disturbing examples.

But I'd gladly play with him again. The reason is, he kept it 100% in the game.


Nothing really creepy, ever. Worst I had was a guy who played in several of my groups. Good roleplayer, generally, the one who got people to play things out instead of just rushing to objectives, interesting backstories, all fine. He also played a lot of female characters. Sure, fine, no problem with that, I've played female characters before. Really attractive female characters. With really large breasts. Which he sometimes mentioned five or six times per game evening. What made it even weirder was that he was gay, so it wasn't even the usual cliché.

After we kept looking at him strangely every time he did that and he caused a few awkward silences, he got bashful, dropped the subject and never mentioned breasts again.

So yeah, nothing to compare here to other stories I've heard.

... His attempt to get guys to talk sexy to him through the proxy of his very feminine character?


On a brighter note, both of the older, balding guys with a persistent aroma of weed and beards in which you could lose a small squirrel turned out to be genuinely good guys.

Tends to be the case :smallwink:

Anonymouswizard
2017-04-10, 10:57 AM
On a brighter note, both of the older, balding guys with a persistent aroma of weed and beards in which you could lose a small squirrel turned out to be genuinely good guys.

I'll agree it tends to be the case (even if you leave out the weed), the best guy in a group I was once in was invited along by his daughter and was a barrel of laughs. Very old school, but that meant he could be depended upon while the rest of the party went a bit more wild, and a great guy who bought me drinks because I was a penniless student. Also about as socialist as you can get, which caused a tad of friction about a year ago because I'm significantly more moderate and a committed floating voter, and we disagreed significantly on one particular area.

Although I think that group in total was the creepiest group I've ever played with, his daughter had to deal with more sex jokes after he joined because everyone was just a lot more relaxed.

(Outside that group I'm probably the creepiest gamer I've met, but that's more because I've lucked out and not played with real weirdos*)

* Well, there was the one guy who, when he joined my Shadowrun game** (I should run that again at some point because I love the setting, I might do it in Savage Worlds and give weaker races bonus skill points) immediately created a troll focused on unarmed combat, spent some money on his lifestyle to have a flat for a few months, bought ten finger compartments, and then spent every last nuyen on novacoke, always carrying a dose in each finger compartment. He only stuck around for one session though, which is a shame as I'd had his flat raided by the police while he was on the run because a) he was suspected of being a drug dealer, and b) he was by far the most dangerous member of the group, and they wanted him to b captured walking into the trap they set up.
** I was a bit of a weirdo in that one myself, my pet NPC was a ghoul Street Samurai with cybereyes trying too hard to be cool (mirrorshades, trenchcoat, katana, grizzly voice, the works), unfortunately nobody got the joke.

GungHo
2017-04-10, 11:38 AM
Reposting this:



Post stolen from RPGnet (https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?369229-Necro-Creepiest-Person-You-ve-Ever-Gamed-With-Part-Deux).

Yeah, you win the forum. GG, everyone. Looks I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

hymer
2017-04-10, 01:04 PM
... His attempt to get guys to talk sexy to him through the proxy of his very feminine character?

:smallannoyed:

Or his attempt to put the het boys at ease, seeing as they always seem to be talking/thinking about breasts?

Beans
2017-04-10, 01:21 PM
:smallannoyed:

Or his attempt to put the het boys at ease, seeing as they always seem to be talking/thinking about breasts?

If so, apparently a misjudgment on his part, given the emphasis he placed on his character's breasts baffled the "het boys".

Oh, those "het boys" and their crippling fixation on the female mammary to the apparent exclusion of all other topics of contemplation or conversation.

thamolas
2017-04-10, 02:27 PM
Years ago, a guy I worked with (he was a part-timer with bad hygiene, but we got along) invited me to come to his apartment to play D&D with his buddies. I went.

It was a studio apartment with 5 guys who all had bad hygiene. They stank so badly (like rotten cheese and ass) that my eyes watered when I entered and I insisted on opening some windows.

They played uber-powerful "evil" characters and the "story" was just them murdering innocents and stomping heroes who came to stop them. No biggie. I've played evil murder hobo before. But their playstyle was pretty freakin' repetitive. Very little dialogue. And I got the impression that this was the only style they were interested in playing.

During breaks in game play, I learned that they each worked 2 days a week and lived together in the studio apartment, gaming 5 days a week. I can't begin to describe the Eldritch Horror that was the bathroom. It was gross beyond words.

They only ate fast food and spilled stuff on the floor (where they slept) and never cleaned up. The guy I worked with was skinny (I think he had a gland problem) and the other 4 dudes were dangerously obese.

None of them had interests outside of roleplaying and video games (aside from one dude who swilled booze and smoked weed while playing). Boozer guy's (the only one who didn't act like a 30+ yr old virgin) "girlfriend" came over, ate a bunch of their food (don't remember which fast food chain it was that day) and left.

When I noticed that none of them were washing their hands before leaving the bathroom, I made up an excuse and got the hell out of there. I can't believe it took 20 year old me that long to bail. 40 year old me would have said "nope" and took off after looking in through the front door.

thamolas
2017-04-10, 02:34 PM
On a brighter note, both of the older, balding guys with a persistent aroma of weed...

The old weed dudes are usually great. At least, in my experience.

Knaight
2017-04-10, 02:42 PM
When I noticed that none of them were washing their hands before leaving the bathroom, I made up an excuse and got the hell out of there. I can't believe it took 20 year old me that long to bail. 40 year old me would have said "nope" and took off after looking in through the front door.

I'm pretty sure 15 year old me would have bailed roughly after looking in the front door. Showering once in a while (I'm not even asking for daily here, but at least most days and when people are coming over) is not that much to ask. Neither is breaking out a mop every so often (seriously, monthly or so would be progress from the sounds of things).

thamolas
2017-04-10, 03:18 PM
I'm pretty sure 15 year old me would have bailed roughly after looking in the front door. Showering once in a while (I'm not even asking for daily here, but at least most days and when people are coming over) is not that much to ask. Neither is breaking out a mop every so often (seriously, monthly or so would be progress from the sounds of things).

You're right. When I was a teenager, a lot of the young people were into grunge or gutter punk, so I didn't start paying attention to my nose until mid-20s. In my early 20s, most of the gamers I encountered were at least mildly disgusting, so it took some serious stuff to rattle me.

Honest Tiefling
2017-04-10, 03:50 PM
... His attempt to get guys to talk sexy to him through the proxy of his very feminine character?

Roleplay on MMORPGS, where you get two straight guys flirting with each other. Danged if I understand the phenomenon.

Speaking of online, I've encountered such weirdness as a supposedly straight guy trying to get gay guys to bang his female avatar that was...Shall we say, uniquely equipped? Oddly enough the last part doesn't confuse me (straight dudes tend to be more into the chicks with alternate equipment after all), but the former was really odd.

logic_error
2017-04-10, 03:51 PM
Reposting this:



Post stolen from RPGnet (https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?369229-Necro-Creepiest-Person-You-ve-Ever-Gamed-With-Part-Deux).


That post was made by Jake, role playing as his own ex-wife.

Anonymouswizard
2017-04-10, 04:01 PM
I'm pretty sure 15 year old me would have bailed roughly after looking in the front door. Showering once in a while (I'm not even asking for daily here, but at least most days and when people are coming over) is not that much to ask. Neither is breaking out a mop every so often (seriously, monthly or so would be progress from the sounds of things).

Agreeing here, as someone who has trouble keeping myself clean all the time (I sometimes go for almost three days before showering, I feel awful but sometimes I'm just too stressed to deal with it all for a while, I'm trying desperately to keep it to at least every other day currently) I would likely have left. Speaking of that, I need to break out the mop when term starts, my bathroom's going to be in a bad state when I get back.

I mean, I both have a slightly dulled sense of smell and occasional trouble with personal hygiene (and a tendency to walk with heavy bags) I'm by far the worst of my gaming group when it comes to this stuff, and consider myself lucky that they've been patient enough that I was able to realise how much of an arse I was and try to change it (I always shower before game sessions now, and I now feel more awake when I arrive).

I have to say that the showering thing is a weird one, as someone who went from 'eh, I can't stink that bad' to 'oh my god it's been three days I must shower' you eventually get to a point where not showering just makes you feel grimy in a way you didn't before.

Elvenoutrider
2017-04-10, 04:07 PM
So before I tell this story - let me specify this happened almost a decade ago during my first semester in college. My problem solving and conflict resolution abilities have improved significantly.

Some of the events of this story were influenced by a decent amount of alcohol. Between that and the time that has passed since, I may be misremembering aspects of the story. In addition many of these details came out after several years through various events and I heard about some of this second hand.

So I was part of two clubs in college, a social fraternity and the tabletop rpg club. I was very careful to ensure that no one in either organization knew I was a part of the other. This would prove to be completely unnecessary and I would eventually use it to dispel a lot of stereotypes about both... and probably reinforce a few.

Anyways I had a friend in the tabletop club who kept begging me to come to a party at the tabletop club's off campus house. He told me if I was in a social fraternity I obviously loved parties so why wouldn't I love a party that also involved RPGs. Well I put off going for a while because table top gaming was my weekday hobby. On weekends the fraternity was my priority. I was also pledging at the time so between that and studying engineering my my weekends were booked. I'll take a second to dispel one stereotype: While pledging kept me busy at no point did it ever come before my schoolwork and at no point did I ever feel victimized, or coerced into doing anything I didn't want to do.

Anyways for reasons I don't remember, my Saturday obligation was canceled and I found myself with a free night on a Saturday. Turned out the tabletop club was having a bunch of people over and I was out of excuses. I made the several mile trek over. It was actually a trek. Walking to this place required me to walk a ways off campus to a house surrounded by forest. First impression I got was walking into the back yard to see it packed, meditation music playing and several people across the gender spectrum dancing naked around a bonfire. I also noticed I was the only guy at the party not wearing a kilt As a sheltered CIs gendered male with little exposure to this sort of thing I was incredibly uncomfortable so I did the logical thing to me and inquired as to the nearest alcohol. Turned out someone living at the house was a brewer and they had several legs of beer they made themselves. HUZZA!!!

I inquired as to who made the beer and was directed to another room where several older men were hanging out with some of the few girls at the party. I had seen these guys at the club before but had assumed they were grad students or even professors or faculty of some sort but at this point I slowly learned that they had graduated a long time ago and still hung out at the club, and acted as the club's gaming library. I'd describe them but let's be real they've been described several times on this thread already.

I found it odd that we allowed people with no affiliation to the university to join the club and decided to dig in. After doing some investigative work - asking drunk people - I found out the guys living at the house offered free housing to girls who joined the club, and contacts of people in the club, in exchange for sexual favors. It actually took me a few years to find all of this out. The higher ups in the club were fairly protective of this information. I didn't find out a lot of it until there was nothing much to do about it. Effectively the people at that house got over a thousand dollars a year as a slush fund to spend on gaming materials.

My investigation was stalled that night because a pretty girl started flirting with me and I decided to change priorities. We flirted with each other until someone pointed out that she was not of the age of consent. I put an end to that immediately and told her not to talk to me again. Soon after this I was asked if I wanted to beat some slaves. I don't remember my response but I didn't think that sounded good. Eventually curiosity got the better of me and I ended up going downstairs where sure enough many of the girls at the party were tied up naked and guests were allowed to beat them with various implements. This night would double as my introduction into bdsm. I watched but... something felt really off so I chose to not participate. I found out years later that some girls participating in these scenes were coerced through various means.

That's not even the end of the story. The underage girl was apparently dating someone at the party, and about an hour later he came and started shouting at me for insulting her, which I may or may not have done, then went to the umbrella rack and drew a sword cane on me to defend her honor. I don't know how dangerous the blade actually was but everyone else in the room was freaked the **** out. For reasons I can only chalk up to being a dumb drunk young person, I decided to fight him. I said something to make him look over his shoulder and kicked him, ended up wrestling with him on the ground. It was at this point that I learned the proper way to wear a kilt... and found a vulnerable spot to strike and put an end to the situation.

Truly closing the story took several years but to summarize, party was over immediately after that, and for reasons I'm unsure are related, I never saw a lot of the people i met that night at the club again. I petitioned the club in meetings to get our stuff back from the house and get storage on campus and eventually after some people graduated, it worked.

As for the people living in the house, they continued to find vulnerable women to take advantage of until some of them finally took them to court. I heard conflicting details on that but frankly I distanced myself from the club and then graduated

logic_error
2017-04-10, 04:37 PM
This thread got creepy quite fast.

Yuki Akuma
2017-04-10, 05:02 PM
This thread got creepy quite fast.

What did you expect, with that title?

War_lord
2017-04-10, 06:40 PM
Well I think most people where expecting sheltered manchildren having tantrums, Neckbearded Chosen of Nurgle, and accounts of barely concealed sexism. You know, the usual D&D horror stories.

Not an account of Eyes Wide Shut meets the Manson Family.

Koo Rehtorb
2017-04-10, 06:55 PM
Usual D&D horror stories get old. So here's another story from RPGnet. :smallsmile:


This is a bit long but...

I guess I will just have to mention my brief GMing to the brazilian police death squad.

Everything begun at my local gameclub (by local I mean the only one in a 4,000,000 people city) some five years ago. This club was run by a fellow hobbyist on weekends, was located at a big avenue and had a large 'Camelot' plaque hanging over the door with the picture of a knight. Needlessly to say it attracted a lot of curious people. Well, at the end of a saturday afternoon of particularly intense WEG Star Wars playing I was approached by this timid skinny guy in his late twenties. He had been watching the entire session and was almost apologetic about coming forward to talk to me. Anyway he lived just 3 blocks away and he loved "games", so he wanted someone to GM a game for him and his "work colleagues". They had never roleplayed before. He seemed a nice, clean, eager-to-play guy, so I invited him and his buddies for a AD&D game in the club, the following night.

Nothing would have prepared me and the other player (the club owner) for the cast of foul characters arriving at the club the next night. Just to contextualize the many non-brazilian readers in this thread, there are two kinds of police in Brazil: the semi-illiterate oppressive superviolent military police, and the corrupt immoral wiseguy detective/mobster types from the civilian police. These guys were the second type.

These four men (the skinny guy only showed up later) were villain prototypes and had intimidation skill points worth entire 20th level characters. Even when they nicely said hello they had menace written all over their foreheads. It was night, but they were dressed like beach tourists, wearing soccer team t-shirts and sandals. There were so much male jewelry as to make Mr. T look like a girl playing child´s bijouterie. All of them had pistols attached at strategic holsters in their bodies, at least one of them had knives, and all of them were anxious to play the nice "game of dice".

I should see the size of the problem when a huge black man put two bottles of smuggled whisky on top of the table we would play. He seriously asked me if that was booze enough for all of us (two bottles for 7 people). I replied I didn´t drink. He said he would freeze the liquid for me to eat it and his mouth opened in a big smile filled with golden teeth.

Anyway the quarreling began when I showed them the pre-gen characters. All of them "wanted to be the master". There were also quarreling about who would get which character (they were choosing by the pictures). But that was mild quarreling and they calmed down as their heavy drinking and joint smoking ensued. Oh, and they also loved the dice.

The game finally began at the tavern where I had planned the characters to meet and the players to familiarize themselves with the blessed and (to them) newly-perceived freedom a player has in a RPG. They caught on fast enough with IC dialogue, and besides the incessant joint passing and abusive drinking the players were concentrated, with cellphones turned off and all.

That´s when the prostitutes arrived.

Unknowingly to me and the club owner, skinny guy had arranged for two prostitutes, old acquaintances of these guys, to meet at my friend´s gaming club. Things went downhill from there, with the women disrupting the game and the telling of IC mixed with OOC murder stories. By this point my friend made the second mistake of the evening, trying to stop the game by telling me he was late and had to close the club and stuff. The murderous cops didn´t take his intentions well, and started to get all serious and quiet, trying to intimidate my friend. After all, he wasn´t being a nice host, since they had brought the booze, the girls, the drugs and the guns, and they were not going to leave before knowing "who won" anyway, since everyone of them had (of course) bet 50 bucks his character would "win".

So I wrapped things up by having an all-out combat between the characters, while a detective banged one of the girls against a wall 4 feet away. The winner got 200 bucks and a knuckle-duster, they all had a blast and left me and my shaking buddy glad we were left alive . We never saw any of them again, not even skinny guy.

Maybe not too creepy, but then again my experience is limited.

Knaight
2017-04-10, 07:21 PM
I'll take a second to dispel one stereotype: While pledging kept me busy at no point did it ever come before my schoolwork and at no point did I ever feel victimized, or coerced into doing anything I didn't want to do.

Well, obviously if it didn't happen to you personally it's not a thing that happens at all, and is just a stereotype, regardless of what the statistics say.

Penelomeeg
2017-04-10, 09:07 PM
I dont have anything as horrifying as some of these particular stories but I do have one golden experience. My ex boyfriend; lets call him Drew.

Drew was the skinny nerd who assumed he was the best at everything and the smartest guy in the room. Constantly took his shirt off to show me his pasty white skinny 15 year old torso, and made a show of inappropriately groping me in front of his friends and in private when i specifically asked him to cut that **** out.

To the d&d part of the story. Drew actually introduced me to the game and my first group were all his friends. I got along with the guys and they made several references to wanting to keep me around if me and Drew broke up. Drew did not like any of this. Especially that I would tease him like the guys at the table often did to each other and he did to them. He constantlt berated me after games about how I was embarrassing him in front of and trying to steal his friends in the group. Now onto the creepy part:

He would insist that I create characters in relatipnships with his and would often eventually try to have them have sex in game, he would get upset if I didn't go along with it and give details about our actual sex life when this happened. (Note one of our players was 18 going on 19 and would clearly become uncomfortable hearing about what he did with his 15 year old girlfriend).

I was expected to come to every session he schedualed and if I happened tl have plans? My friends were less fun than his anyways obviously so that was no excuse. He berated any character I created for the smallest flaws which coincidentally was also the sort of emotional abuse he inflicted on me in real life.

Finally I broke up with him, unfortunately not because I saw how much of an abusive and controlling douchebag he was. I realized I was gay and came put of the closet. Which he of course sent me a strongly worded email while drunk (how you can drunk email someone I'll never know) about how I had humiliated and tricked him and was confused, a bitch and a million other things and would realize my mistake and come crawling back.

I did not come crawling back.

Fast forward his old group pretty much slowly broke away from him because of how much of a jerk he was to them, and according to one member who I saw about a year back randomly while ag university. They had started to feel uncomfortable around him after theu saw the way he treaged me and how he had demanded they all cut ties with me after the break up.

He had also DM'd a campaign apprently where he had made a noble prince not so subtley based on himself being controlled and seduced by an evil large breasted sorceress with a more detailed description eerily similar to me and was secretly the lover of a powerful Succubus using her to take advantage of the poor prince. Apparently this was the last straw for a few of them.

And that is how I became the BBEG of my ex boyfriend's campaign.

Cluedrew
2017-04-10, 09:34 PM
The old weed dudes are usually great. At least, in my experience.There may or may not be some character traits there about having some "bad habits" but at the same time not letting them getting out of hand so you can grow old.


Now onto the creepy part:I thought the creepy had already been in full swing at this point. Or maybe it is some other kind of unpleasant. I am glad that the others called Drew him out on his behaviour, even if it took a while. Of course I appreciate any story where the bystanders do something for good, there are some but not a lot.

You know went a lot of people say "my story is not so bad" it often turns out to be bad anyways, or maybe I just have a low threshold... I think this one actually think is pretty tame.

My one creepy story is some once posted a teacher fantasy (PG-13 outside of the fact it was several types of illegal) as part of a ongoing role-play we had. The poster pulled it themself almost immediately, with an apology, so... some decency there. Honestly I was more annoyed about the misrepresentation of some of the characters present than the fantasy aspect. I was annoyed by that too of course, it was going to be pulled officially before the poster did it.

Never happened again, but they did leave soon after to play Call of Duty so...

The Extinguisher
2017-04-10, 11:09 PM
I don't remember many details behind the story, because I think we only ended up doing one or two games with the guy, but in early high school me and some friends were in a game DMed by a friend of a friend, who used very, very heavily from the Book of Erotic Fantasy. At the time I'm pretty sure we laughed it off as dumb humour, but we were like 15 and looking back it's a little disturbing.

Florian
2017-04-11, 03:34 AM
Good question.

As a long-time gamer, I´ve met some "Special Snowflakes" and could report on those here.
*Laughs*
People I game with these days are part of the local SM scene .... so....

Vinyadan
2017-04-11, 05:04 AM
No Psycho DM and Stabbington? ;)

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?23784-I-think-I-just-dealt-with-the-worst-gaming-session

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?95189-New-Worst-Session-How-Lanky-got-hisself-stabbed!

Now sure, creepy is probably more the indirect perception of things being wrong than what's described here, but I guess they also qualify.

Anonymouswizard
2017-04-11, 08:18 AM
I dont have anything as horrifying as some of these particular stories but I do have one golden experience. My ex boyfriend; lets call him Drew.

[story is told]

And that is how I became the BBEG of my ex boyfriend's campaign.

Well, on the plus side it sounds like his friends were decent people, I hope you invited the member of that group to any game you had on at the moment!

Also, yeah. I'm happy that the couples in my group have generally been mature people. Sure, there was a lot of cuddling between the GM and his wife, but that was consensual on both sides, and the conversations never got beyond 'at secondary school debate society we once had a boobs versus bums debate'.

I congratulate you on handling it much more maturely than you did. I've seen such situations handled much better by both sides, including one relationship that got weird because of it (it began as a gay relationship between a bisexual and a straight woman because one member identified as transgender [they may or may not be genderfluid, it's unclear at this point], and eventually became a straight relationship because of complicated reasons, but the two of them are currently happily married and have sorted these issues out between them*), but in all my experience I just have to respect people who end relationships because they realise they aren't attracted to that gender because it'll work out better in the long run.

* Honestly a far bigger problem was them not telling people about how this was working early enough, leading to a bit of 'why do the wedding invitiations say "A and C", shouldn't it be "B and C", I was the one who got the story out of him about two weeks after the wedding.


No Psycho DM and Stabbington? ;)

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?23784-I-think-I-just-dealt-with-the-worst-gaming-session

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?95189-New-Worst-Session-How-Lanky-got-hisself-stabbed!

Now sure, creepy is probably more the indirect perception of things being wrong than what's described here, but I guess they also qualify.

I think we're trying to stick to stories not on giantitp, otherwise I expect to have seen the tale of the railroading GM with Japanophilia and Katanophilia (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?275152-What-am-I-supposed-to-do) (also known as the SUE Files).

I know what your thinking, 'but japanophiles already love katanas'. You have not yet seen the adoration that the true master of all katanas has for his blades. The only thing creepier is the GM's love for his self insert GMPC villain.

War_lord
2017-04-11, 10:52 AM
No Psycho DM and Stabbington? ;)

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?23784-I-think-I-just-dealt-with-the-worst-gaming-session

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?95189-New-Worst-Session-How-Lanky-got-hisself-stabbed!

Now sure, creepy is probably more the indirect perception of things being wrong than what's described here, but I guess they also qualify.

The creepiest person in story two is the guy posting it.

legomaster00156
2017-04-11, 11:01 AM
The creepiest person in story two is the guy posting it.
I didn't get any creepy vibes at all from him? I'm far more concerned with the person who stabbed than the person who got stabbed. :smallconfused:

Marlowe
2017-04-11, 11:03 AM
Indeed. Story two makes me think rather unkind things about our Lanky friend, and even makes me wonder how much of the first story was accurate.


I didn't get any creepy vibes at all from him? I'm far more concerned with the person who stabbed than the person who got stabbed.

He's leading on or flirting with one woman, and has been doing so for quite some time, right in front of his fiance. When fiance finally snaps over this sort of behaviour, he tells her to get back in the kitchen..

And he did so while she was holding a knife.

Sleazy, stupid, and incredibly insensitive.

War_lord
2017-04-11, 11:21 AM
Totally ignoring his wife's feelings in favor of playing D&D with his guy friend and two women who were flirting with him. Two women that it later turned out were actually interested in him sexually. In response to said wife confronting him about it, he decided to publicly humiliate her by telling her to get back in the kitchen. If you treat anyone like that, and then decide to antagonize them when they're already furious, they're going to lash out, in this case with what was in their hand.

And this is all from his version of events, which is naturally going to paint him in the best light possible. At best he acted like a 16 year old, at worst he was gaslighting his then wife.

CharonsHelper
2017-04-11, 11:36 AM
+1 on that guy being a ****.

Not that it excuses stabbing him, she should have just left him long ago. But if I was on her jury I'd probably convict for the least thing I could find and recommend the minimum penalty. Community service if I could find a way to pull it.

And as others have said - we're getting 100% his point of view. (And I'm not even sure that can be called a stab. It looks more like a nick.)

Theoboldi
2017-04-11, 11:46 AM
Wow. Yeah, sure. Let's say that someone totally deserved to get stabbed because he was insensitive towards his wife. And let's assume he manhandled her as well. It doesn't even look that bad, right? Cause we totally should justify to ourselves that it wasn't that bad of her to stab him purely on the basis that we find his actions sleazy.

I am really glad you people are not in charge of any kind of justice system. Wow. Just wow. I'd make some stupid joke about you guys being the creepiest gamers here, but that doesn't even feel appropriate. I'm just really disgusted by this kind of mentality.

Honest Tiefling
2017-04-11, 11:59 AM
I agree that Lanky was a bit of a jerk, but I don't think it was a stabbing offense.

But I'd like to point out that the second story is suspiciously from a different account. I've read the two stories, but I don't know the context to know if this has ever been explained or not.

Lord Torath
2017-04-11, 11:59 AM
Wow. Yeah, sure. Let's say that someone totally deserved to get stabbed because he was insensitive towards his wife. And let's assume he manhandled her as well. It doesn't even look that bad, right? Cause we totally should justify to ourselves that it wasn't that bad of her to stab him purely on the basis that we find his actions sleazy.Nobody is saying that. (No one except Jayne is saying that*). No one is saying his fiance's behavior (stabbing/slashing him) was acceptable. They're simply saying that his behavior was unacceptable as well.

* Obligatory Firefly reference.

War_lord
2017-04-11, 12:09 PM
...Except no one condoned stabbing. Stabbing people is obviously wrong, no matter the severity of the injury. That goes without saying. But it fails to be an example of a "creepy gamer" on multiple levels. The woman was not a gamer, the conflict was only tangentially related to gaming, and while I don't condone her decision to lash out, I understand the psychology in play, thus not creepy.

If anything, he meets the criteria better. He is/was a gamer, he was flirting with another woman in front of his wife over the course of several years with the expectation that she would "get over it" (a man who has clearly never watched any crime documentary), and he literally told her to get back in the kitchen when he was confronted over his crappy behavior. That's all stuff I'd categorize under "being a creep", and I don't think one extreme action on her part erases that.

Anonymouswizard
2017-04-11, 12:17 PM
Really, whether or not Lanky's behaviour was acceptable depends on information we don't know. I've seen relationships where that behaviour with other people is fine and one where's it not, and I honestly don't know how I'd personally feel in that situation.

Now, Lanky certainly isn't blameless, it's been a while since I've read the story and I don't remember it fully, but I remember his fiancé had brought it up before and he had essentially shrugged it off. But his fiancé also isn't blameless, due to her (IIRC) relatively offensive behaviour towards Lanky's friend and stabbing him.

I personally don't believe what Lanky did was a stabbing offence (but I don't believe he was in the right), and even Lanky's 'go back to the kitchen' remark makes perfect sense in context. But Lanky's actions were things he shouldn't have done without the consent of his wife.

If I was in a jury I'd probably argue for not guilty, stabbing's not nice but even Lanky's account paints it as accidental (although IIRC Lanky's American? I know if I was assigning punishment I'd go no further than 'pay Lanky's medical bill for this inury').

EDIT: I will condone stabbing in the case of surgery or other medical procedures. That's my limit though.

Velaryon
2017-04-11, 12:41 PM
Wow. Yeah, sure. Let's say that someone totally deserved to get stabbed because he was insensitive towards his wife. And let's assume he manhandled her as well. It doesn't even look that bad, right? Cause we totally should justify to ourselves that it wasn't that bad of her to stab him purely on the basis that we find his actions sleazy.

I am really glad you people are not in charge of any kind of justice system. Wow. Just wow. I'd make some stupid joke about you guys being the creepiest gamers here, but that doesn't even feel appropriate. I'm just really disgusted by this kind of mentality.

It's been awhile since I read Lanky's stories, but from what I remember nobody comes out of the last one looking good. He didn't deserve to be stabbed, even if it was by accident, but his complete disregard for his wife's feelings about the situation was pretty inexcusable. I'm inclined to put the "get back in the kitchen" line down to an unfortunate choice of words with no particular malice behind them (since, y'know, she'd just come from the kitchen), but combined with his attitude of "their flirtations are none of your business because we're playing a game," it makes for a really bad scene. Again, escalating it to violence was not justified. Doesn't mean he wasn't wrong though.

War_lord
2017-04-11, 12:45 PM
I personally don't believe what Lanky did was a stabbing offence (but I don't believe he was in the right), and even Lanky's 'go back to the kitchen' remark makes perfect sense in context.

Okay, lets totally take the inflammatory nature of "the kitchen" out of the equation and assume that Lanky meant it only in the literal sense with none of the subtext (and I will note that, even if he didn't mean it like that, it could still have been seen that way, anger warps perceptions). He made a big show of standing up, going around the table, kissed her on the forehead (which is rather belittling in this context) and told her to go away. And then was surprised when he got stabbed. It's not like she came at him with a carving knife in an icepick grip and murderous intent. She apparently attempted to apologize before apparently getting "roundhouse kicked", which I think, hope, is an embellishment since I'm pretty sure a petite woman getting kicked in the head by a trained soldier is pretty disproportionately lethal compared to a shallow stab to the abdominal area.

The fact that he didn't seem terribly bothered by the sudden and violent disintegration of his engagement hints that things previous might not have been as idyllic as portrayed. As Velaryon said, everyone in that story ends up coming across badly.

Beans
2017-04-11, 01:36 PM
I have been unfortunate enough to mistake an invitation to an RP chat for an invitation to an RPG chat. And to be fair, there were fantastical creatures (that is, anthropomorphic animals) and fantastical weapons (eternally laughable osmium katanas katanae).
However, there was little die rolling and far, far too much... not just sex, but terribly unpleasant sex.
I wished to bleach my computer and also my brain.

Anonymouswizard
2017-04-11, 01:42 PM
Okay, lets totally take the inflammatory nature of "the kitchen" out of the equation and assume that Lanky meant it only in the literal sense with none of the subtext (and I will note that, even if he didn't mean it like that, it could still have been seen that way, anger warps perceptions). He made a big show of standing up, going around the table, kissed her on the forehead (which is rather belittling in this context) and told her to go away. And then was surprised when he got stabbed. It's not like she came at him with a carving knife in an icepick grip and murderous intent. She apparently attempted to apologize before apparently getting "roundhouse kicked", which I think, hope, is an embellishment since I'm pretty sure a petite woman getting kicked in the head by a trained soldier is pretty disproportionately lethal compared to a shallow stab to the abdominal area.

The fact that he didn't seem terribly bothered by the sudden and violent disintegration of his engagement hints that things previous might not have been as idyllic as portrayed. As Velaryon said, everyone in that story ends up coming across badly.

Yes, I was trying to get across the 'nobody comes out of this week', by my reading something was going to happen eventually.

Vinyadan
2017-04-11, 05:54 PM
The way I see it he was taking the girl for granted, which is a forma mentis I don't understand - either he thought his power was so big he could get away with stuff evidently offending her, or, well, I'm out of alternatives. This was his first fault, and a preexisting one.

The second fault was to escalate by bluntness during the incident, reacting in a humiliating way for her. The way it was said also meant that she wasn't that important, which causes a sentiment of betrayal.

This isn't enough to make her actions not wrong, but yes, I'd say that he had been a multiple level ass for a while. However, stabbing people is really out of proportion, and I don't think the circumstances count as mitigating for her actions.

Max_Killjoy
2017-04-11, 06:04 PM
The way I see it he was taking the girl for granted, which is a forma mentis I don't understand - either he thought his power was so big he could get away with stuff evidently offending her, or, well, I'm out of alternatives. This was his first fault, and a preexisting one.

The second fault was to escalate by bluntness during the incident, reacting in a humiliating way for her. The way it was said also meant that she wasn't that important, which causes a sentiment of betrayal.

This isn't enough to make her actions not wrong, but yes, I'd say that he had been a multiple level ass for a while. However, stabbing people is really out of proportion, and I don't think the circumstances count as mitigating for her actions.

Did I also get this correctly... he roundhouse kicked her?

Mr Beer
2017-04-11, 06:10 PM
At the time, the only way I had to get to games was cadging rides from the other players; he was my ride home that night. A few blocks out, he says "You know, you're in my car. I could make you get out and walk home. Now, aren't you sorry you called me creepy?"

I was not sorry I called him creepy. I thought I'd hit the nail on the head. I was sure as hell sorry I'd gotten into his car, though. I guess it's possible, maybe, that he didn't know I'd hear "you're stuck in my car, and I have the power to make you walk home" with the subtext of "I also have the power to lock the doors, pull off onto a back road, rape you, and leave you in a ditch," but that's what was in my head right then. So, uh, PSA to guys who really are nice, just kind of awkward: don't do what that guy did.

Yeah, guys who are actually nice probably don't need that PSA. Creepy guys who identify as nice, different story.

Beans
2017-04-11, 06:14 PM
Yeah, guys who are actually nice probably don't need that PSA. Creepy guys who identify as nice, different story.
It's hilarious in a deeply uncomfortable way that he went and said that, apparently unaware that he was making himself look ten times as creepy as before.

Honest Tiefling
2017-04-11, 06:24 PM
Yeah, guys who are actually nice probably don't need that PSA. Creepy guys who identify as nice, different story.

I disagree. I'm socially awkward and say things all of the time with implications I don't intend. Then again, even I think that was a stupid idea.

Koo Rehtorb
2017-04-11, 06:28 PM
Uh. Someone being in a relationship with you doesn't give them the right to flip the **** out in front of everyone over an issue that's not immediately pressing. Much less stab them, obviously.

If it was bothering her then a calm discussion before this point would have been best. A calm discussion after this point when everyone had left would have also been acceptable. If she's going to flip the **** out and make a huge scene in front of everyone then she has zero right to complain about being "humiliated" by the reaction. And frankly I find the sort of built in assumption here that he should just naturally weigh her feelings more than the feelings of his friends, at least some of which it sounds like he knew for a longer time than he knew her, kind of offensive. You could argue that he could have done a better job disarming the situation, but that's hardly any sort of moral failing on his part.

Obviously this is assuming that everything happened exactly as he presented it, which isn't a safe bet. We're only getting one very biased side of the story.

Max_Killjoy
2017-04-11, 06:47 PM
I've had a guy playing a beautiful diplomancer dread necromancer (no, of course he didn't roleplay the diplomacy! "I roll a diplomacy. I get a 48 at first level. Now this NPC is going to do everything I say. What do you mean, what did I just say to him? It doesn't matter, I got a 48.")

Same game had a guy who thought every plan out of my mouth was the stupidest idea possible... until one of the other players suggested the same plan. I was also the only woman at the table. I'm sure these were totally unrelated. (I had a pretty good track record, too.) My now-husband persuaded me to drop that group and found me another one, and I give it a good fifty-fifty chance he saved my interest in roleplaying.

In a different group, there was one guy who always seemed a little skeezy, got uncomfortably intense about guns, things like that, but he was married with a kid and never actually did or said anything to me, so I just thought of him as kind of annoying. In one Call of Cthulhu one-shot he played a fedora-tipping m'lady-saying gangster, and I made a crack about coming off as creepy. At the time, the only way I had to get to games was cadging rides from the other players; he was my ride home that night. A few blocks out, he says "You know, you're in my car. I could make you get out and walk home. Now, aren't you sorry you called me creepy?"

I was not sorry I called him creepy. I thought I'd hit the nail on the head. I was sure as hell sorry I'd gotten into his car, though. I guess it's possible, maybe, that he didn't know I'd hear "you're stuck in my car, and I have the power to make you walk home" with the subtext of "I also have the power to lock the doors, pull off onto a back road, rape you, and leave you in a ditch," but that's what was in my head right then. So, uh, PSA to guys who really are nice, just kind of awkward: don't do what that guy did.

On a brighter note, both of the older, balding guys with a persistent aroma of weed and beards in which you could lose a small squirrel turned out to be genuinely good guys.


Yeah, guys who are actually nice probably don't need that PSA. Creepy guys who identify as nice, different story.


It's hilarious in a deeply uncomfortable way that he went and said that, apparently unaware that he was making himself look ten times as creepy as before.


I disagree. I'm socially awkward and say things all of the time with implications I don't intend. Then again, even I think that was a stupid idea.


Context is a big thing here.

I've had to tell a few people that they were in my car and could either respect the other people in it, or get out and walk.

One dude, I had to follow through with the threat.

kraftcheese
2017-04-11, 07:39 PM
Ngl...even with that one-sided retelling Lanky did seem like the creep in that situation; actively flirting with other people when you know it makes your partner uncomfortable, belittling your partner when they call you out, the ROUNDHOUSE KICK, assuming that wasn't metaphorical...

Doesn't excuse his partner stabbing him but I don't think we're even getting a shadow of the real story.

Mr Beer
2017-04-11, 07:41 PM
I disagree. I'm socially awkward and say things all of the time with implications I don't intend. Then again, even I think that was a stupid idea.

Me too sometimes, that said I'm aware that it's highly intimidating to make implied threats to a woman who is locked up with you in a vehicle which you control and she's relying on you to get her to safety.

OTOH I've said numerous idiotic things in my life so yeah I guess it's possible I've inadvertently done something similar without meaning too.

kraftcheese
2017-04-11, 07:41 PM
Context is a big thing here.

I've had to tell a few people that they were in my car and could either respect the other people in it, or get out and walk.

One dude, I had to follow through with the threat.
Context is definitely important, but taking context into account the original story is still creepy and threatening.

Mr Beer
2017-04-11, 07:45 PM
Also, Lanky sounds like a huge douche, flirting with not one but two girls while his GF seethes in the kitchen. Not in a stabbing offence way, but a 'rethink this relationship' way.

EDIT

Yes stabbing a douche is worse than being a douche.

GPS
2017-04-11, 09:53 PM
Did I also get this correctly... he roundhouse kicked her?

Ngl...even with that one-sided retelling Lanky did seem like the creep in that situation; actively flirting with other people when you know it makes your partner uncomfortable, belittling your partner when they call you out, the ROUNDHOUSE KICK, assuming that wasn't metaphorical...

Doesn't excuse his partner stabbing him but I don't think we're even getting a shadow of the real story.


Nah, his friend Steve roundhouse kicked her, which was arguably justified as he just saw his pal get shanked. If I wasn't a ball of flab, I'd do the same for one of my friends. It's just the right thing to do, defending a friend in need. Don't blame poor Steve for Lanky being a douche, a roundhouse kick is a measured response to a stabbed friend. If I shanked one of you guys, would you want your buff friend to back down because it "wasn't that deep"?

I wish this thread could get back on topic. I love "Worst Gamer" threads, and I've seen so many of them ruined by the Lanky tales and the old RPGnet Jake story. Too many to count. A pity, I thought this one was going to last after it got past the Jake story relatively unscathed, but Lanky proved too strong.

Quertus
2017-04-11, 10:28 PM
Nah, his friend Steve roundhouse kicked her, which was arguably justified as he just saw his pal get shanked. If I wasn't a ball of flab, I'd do the same for one of my friends. It's just the right thing to do, defending a friend in need. Don't blame poor Steve for Lanky being a douche, a roundhouse kick is a measured response to a stabbed friend. If I shanked one of you guys, would you want your buff friend to back down because it "wasn't that deep"?

IIRC, Lanky was stabbed, bleeding, and collapsed. As you said, it was his (ex-military?) buff friend who did the kicking of his former gf as she was saying, "sorry".

Lanky being Canadian, the big stick by his front door was apparently considered dangerous weapon. In a culture that wasn't the inspiration for (WH) dark elves, I can see someone taking a knife attack a little more seriously than a more violence-hardened culture. And, as a member of said Dark-Elf-inspiring culture, let me just say, I would take someone being stabbed pretty seriously.

But, still, this is all even assuming the second poster really was the same person as the original Lanky - a dubious stance, at best.

GPS
2017-04-11, 10:32 PM
IIRC, Lanky was stabbed, bleeding, and collapsed. As you said, it was his (ex-military?) buff friend who did the kicking of his former gf as she was saying, "sorry".

Lanky being Canadian, the big stick by his front door was apparently considered dangerous weapon. In a culture that wasn't the inspiration for (WH) dark elves, I can see someone taking a knife attack a little more seriously than a more violence-hardened culture. And, as a member of said Dark-Elf-inspiring culture, let me just say, I would take someone being stabbed pretty seriously.

But, still, this is all even assuming the second poster really was the same person as the original Lanky - a dubious stance, at best.
Very true my friend. The name was all too suspicious. The whole thing may well have been made up by a clever spinster with a googled picture of a bandaged stab wound, trying to capitalize off of the Lanky brand. It's happened before. The romantic inside me wants this story to be an authentic Lanky, but the realist refuses to yield. Seriously though, enough Lanky, we've established that the author of the story is a douche and that it's bad to stab people, now can we get back to the creepy gamer stories?

(Also, not that it makes any difference, but she's his girlfriend, not his wife or even his fiance. He was thinking of making her his fiance, but didn't get the chance. Just a nitpicking thing, it was bothering me and I had to point it out.)

oudeis
2017-04-11, 11:08 PM
From the post it appears to be a punch, which given the height and weight disparity between Steve and the girlfriend- 6 inches and about 80 pounds- is arguably worse than a kick. As for TLB's behavior, there's a lot of indignant rhetoric being thrown around that doesn't accord with the description of events:


His friendship with one of the girls predated his current relationship by several years and his girlfriend had witnessed their flirtatious gaming conduct before and more-or-less understood that nothing would ever come of it.
The new girl piggybacked on top of this dynamic and took things too far.
TLB handled his girlfriend's reaction with stunning self-centeredness, tactlesness, and insensitivity, but I don't think it qualifies as a "Shuddup and go fix me a turkey pot-pie!" moment.


Back on topic, I never really played with any creepy types, but there were a couple guys in my high-school era group whose severe self-esteem issues manifested themselvis in annoying table behavior and some intense fixation on certain character types (my own issues were every bit as severe as theirs, but I think I was more successful at keeping them out of the game). More recently, I did play a Roll20 campaign with one guy who took the 'Lone Wolf McQuade'/Special snowflake archetype pretty far. His character was this ultra-Darwinist, dual-wielding survivalist ranger with black hair and yellow eyes who was willing to sit and watch the whole party get killed rather than compromise his 'only the strong deserve to survive' beliefs by, you know, helping us. I later found out the poor guy had some severe, even life-threatening medical conditions and was living in near-poverty on government aid. It made me more sympathetic to what was almost literally an escapist character for him, but it was still a jerk move on his part.

souridealist
2017-04-11, 11:17 PM
Context is a big thing here.

I've had to tell a few people that they were in my car and could either respect the other people in it, or get out and walk.

One dude, I had to follow through with the threat.


Context is definitely important, but taking context into account the original story is still creepy and threatening.

Potentially unnecessary clarification: it wasn't the threat to make me get out and walk that made me resolve never to be alone with this guy ever, ever again. If he'd said "I'm not giving you a ride home, you called me creepy," while we were still at the house, I would have said "oh, sorry, I didn't realize I hit a nerve" and found another way home. It was that he basically said, "hey, don't you regret saying something that might annoy me now that I have power over you?"

Most people in the thread seem to get that, but there've been various social conventions that were obvious to other people but that I didn't get until someone explained them in detail, so I figure I might as well. (Also, I'm procrastinating.)

Vinyadan
2017-04-12, 04:07 AM
as she was saying, "sorry".

Lanky being Canadian, the

Canadians are always polite, they'll say "sorry" even when they stab you :biggrin:

(Sorry for bringing the story up again, I couldn't resist).

Kalmageddon
2017-04-12, 07:43 AM
Ok I got one for you: at the time we were all in our late teens/ early 20's, except for one 15 years old kid.
Now, there was a 40 something man, let's call him P, that almost lived in our local gaming store. Every single time I was there, he was there. But I've never seen him with any other adults, rather, he was always with some fairly young kids. One time, he stumbles upon the room where were hosting our current D&D campaign and just hangs around, chatting with us during downtime and generally being friendly.
Turns out he's an old D&D player and he really wants to join us. We don't see the harm in it and next session he shows up to play.
At this point, it becomes fairly apparent that the guy wasn't at all interested in the game. He made some sort of stereotypical joke character/ murderhobo, I think it was either a dwarf or a halfling, and spends most of the game talking to the 15 years old kid, let's call him J. Mostly making jokes about what was happening at the table, offering him potato chips, that sort of things.
The session goes on for a while and so we order pizza. P insists to order beer for J as well*. Needless to say, J can't hold his alcohol and gets tipsy very quickly. At this point it's running late and P offers to give us a ride home. Some of us were within walking distance but some, including J, accepted.
I didn't go with them, but later that evening I get a phone call from J's mother that says the kid didn't come home. I make a few calls, J's phone is dead but I find out P took him to a pub, I get in touch with him and say that J's mother wanted her son back asap.
P gets really defensive and angry, probably also due to my "WTF are you doing with a 15 years old in a pub?" and leaves the pub saying J can find his way back on his own and that he "didn't want to be compromised".
I get in contact with a friend of mine and we drive to the pub to bring J home, only to find him completely wasted. He complained that he felt sick so we brought him to the hospital.
There, J's mother met with us and, understandably upset, asked who the hell P was. We told her what we know and went home.
P never showed up at the gaming store again. Few weeks later, we find out he got arrested for "incriminating pornographic material".

* bit of a clarification, in Italy underage drinking isn't a big deal. We normally have wine at the table and around J's age it's not that strange to have a glass of wine or beer while eating. It's not encouraged but it's not a taboo as in the US, either.

Anonymouswizard
2017-04-12, 08:15 AM
Interesting story, and it shows a lot that you went out of your way to help your friend. Yeah, unfortunately there's nothing you could have done to stop it, and I feel sorry for J because it cannot be a good experience.


* bit of a clarification, in Italy underage drinking isn't a big deal. We normally have wine at the table and around J's age it's not that strange to have a glass of wine or beer while eating. It's not encouraged but it's not a taboo as in the US, either.

Here in the UK it's weird, there's basically two schools of thought. The one I see the most often is 'children shouldn't drink before they're 18' (they do anyway, I was very weird in sixth form for having never been drunk*), but the other is 'kids should be taught to treat alcohol responsibly by the time they're 18. The earliest I had alcohol was when I was about 10 on new years day (not illegal over here as long as it's in my parents house), then when I was 14ish I was allowed to have a glass of wine with meals, and then allowed the occasional beer when I was 16. It had a massive effect in my early years of uni, I got drunk once, hated the aftereffects and taught myself to pace, as was the case for a couple of my friends, although it doesn't help some people. Most people I know who weren't allowed alcohol before they're 18 ended up getting drunk semiregular and all the associated things, although some managed to balance it.

It's interesting, we generally go to great lengths to ignore that the other side exists. I personally agree with the 'let them learn to drink it' faction, although it's uncommon for my family not to open a bottle of wine on a special occasion so I'm entirely biased.

Yeah, it's another case of 'not encouraged but not taboo', with a big case of 'you don't buy someone else's kid a drink without their parent's permission'.

* Ant this was a really good school with no major bullying or teenage pregnancy problems, everyone I knew they tended to drink socially at 16/17.

Max_Killjoy
2017-04-12, 08:20 AM
Potentially unnecessary clarification: it wasn't the threat to make me get out and walk that made me resolve never to be alone with this guy ever, ever again. If he'd said "I'm not giving you a ride home, you called me creepy," while we were still at the house, I would have said "oh, sorry, I didn't realize I hit a nerve" and found another way home. It was that he basically said, "hey, don't you regret saying something that might annoy me now that I have power over you?"

Most people in the thread seem to get that, but there've been various social conventions that were obvious to other people but that I didn't get until someone explained them in detail, so I figure I might as well. (Also, I'm procrastinating.)

I get your reaction to the actual incident, but subsequent commentary seemed to be drifting into "it's always creepy and wrong to tell someone to get out of your car" without consideration for the specific context.

Kalmageddon
2017-04-12, 08:53 AM
Interesting story, and it shows a lot that you went out of your way to help your friend. Yeah, unfortunately there's nothing you could have done to stop it, and I feel sorry for J because it cannot be a good experience.



Here in the UK it's weird, there's basically two schools of thought. The one I see the most often is 'children shouldn't drink before they're 18' (they do anyway, I was very weird in sixth form for having never been drunk*), but the other is 'kids should be taught to treat alcohol responsibly by the time they're 18. The earliest I had alcohol was when I was about 10 on new years day (not illegal over here as long as it's in my parents house), then when I was 14ish I was allowed to have a glass of wine with meals, and then allowed the occasional beer when I was 16. It had a massive effect in my early years of uni, I got drunk once, hated the aftereffects and taught myself to pace, as was the case for a couple of my friends, although it doesn't help some people. Most people I know who weren't allowed alcohol before they're 18 ended up getting drunk semiregular and all the associated things, although some managed to balance it.

It's interesting, we generally go to great lengths to ignore that the other side exists. I personally agree with the 'let them learn to drink it' faction, although it's uncommon for my family not to open a bottle of wine on a special occasion so I'm entirely biased.

Yeah, it's another case of 'not encouraged but not taboo', with a big case of 'you don't buy someone else's kid a drink without their parent's permission'.

* Ant this was a really good school with no major bullying or teenage pregnancy problems, everyone I knew they tended to drink socially at 16/17.
On the subject of underage drinking:
Honestly, I feel it's much better to grow accustomed to alcohol consumption in your teens, rather than treating it as some cool forbidden thing and be guaranteed to exceed in its consumption whenever you manage to get your hands on it. Learning to drink responsably from a young age should be a thing in every culture where alcohol consumption is the norm.

Vinyadan
2017-04-12, 09:44 AM
To remain off topic, I think it's also a matter of social pressure. If you grow up drinking moderately while eating, under your parents' eye, you pretty much understand that that's the way you are supposed to drink, and the imprinting remains when drinking in a group of similarly educated friends. But if you start drinking when away from home and your drinking mentors are inexperienced friends, trying to show how daring and inhinibited they are by getting drunk and pressuring you more or less directly to do the same, you can't expect to easily develop a healthy attitude towards alcohol.

bovinelightfoot
2017-04-12, 11:11 AM
I played a campaign that turned into a one shot game. One of the guys i was playing with insisted on raping everything. I mean everything. Battled goblins to start. Tried to rape it. Thought he was joking so whatever kept going. Got to town tried to rape the first npc he saw. Shortly after that i got a "text" and left. ****ing creep.

Bohandas
2017-04-12, 11:57 AM
I have been unfortunate enough to mistake an invitation to an RP chat for an invitation to an RPG chat. And to be fair, there were fantastical creatures (that is, anthropomorphic animals) and fantastical weapons (eternally laughable osmium katanas katanae).
However, there was little die rolling and far, far too much... not just sex, but terribly unpleasant sex.
I wished to bleach my computer and also my brain.

Wasn't there a scene like that in an episode of Family Guy?

cobaltstarfire
2017-04-12, 11:58 AM
A guy that regularly tried to impress one of the other players (who worked at a juvenile detention center) by trying to have his characters/ideas be darker than what the other player had to hear about and deal with on a daily basis. On top of telling people out of game that they disgust him because we were playing good aligned characters.

He was harmless, but it was a rather creepy the way he put general evilness up on a pedestal.

Grod_The_Giant
2017-04-12, 02:19 PM
I've been pretty lucky, I guess, especially compared to these horror tales. Except for one session recently, the only one I've ever actually walked out of.

One of my oldest friends recently moved back into town from the suburbs, and recruited me for an upcoming 3.5 game. I've had mixed experiences with his games before-- he's a good guy, but I don't get along with some of his friends-- but it's been a long time since I got to play 3.5, and the pitch sounds fun. As things go on I start chatting online with another player, who seems real cool as well, and I'm having fun building characters and making plans at all. (Had to go through a few concepts, due to changing opinions on magic and how strong I should actually make myself; I wound up with a basic god wizard)

Finally, game day. The player I'd been chatting with isn't there. The three that are immediately make a beeline for the beer, one of them-- let's call him D***-- mocking my friend the DM for having "*** beer" (apple cider). I wince a lot, both for the homophobia and because I happen to prefer cider, but I bite my tongue. I don't want to get in a fight. I don't have anything to drink, because it's just past noon, but whatever, it's just a beer; everyone else gets a drink and settles down.

We start playing. I'm a native of the setting, apparently, to explain my magic; most other people have recently been swept here from the real world, with their real-world gear still intact... including D***'s character, who's an OSS officer from WW2, complete with some sort of automatic rifle (which is statted out with no regards for sanity-- I think he could shoot up to 5 times, each shot doing 3d10; I was assured it would run out of bullets and cease being an issue shortly). Whatever. There's also a Paladin straight out of the crusades, who was I think new to RPGs, and some sort of sneaky-type from I don't remember when.

The strangers go into the tavern; I cast Tongues and follow. I try to interact a bit to get things rolling, but are sort of brushed off and wind up talking a bit to an NPC about the local bandit problem. The paladin sits around; D*** spots someone with a big important-looking ledger and two armed guards. He tries to snatch the book, it doesn't work, and so our good from D*** whips out his gun and BANG. One dead... tax collector? Local reeve? Something like that. The guards naturally object. BANG. BANG. Two dead guards. NPCs start screaming and running; D grabs the book, and he and the Rogue loot the bodies. I watch in mild horror, held in place largely by PVP-is-bad traditions. The DM mentions one of the guards had a relic from a local group of mages on him, and I try to get in the on events, but D*** rushes out the window with the Rogue and trailing the Paladin.

They sneak out of town; I sneak away from the scene of the mysterious murders. Soon bandits start pouring into town, setting up out back of the inn. Well, I'm not fond of that idea, and they're all nicely clustered... one Fireball later, they're all busy screaming or fleeing. I follow and catch two of them with a Web spell; one gets into the trees where my "allies" are hiding and is promptly shot. D*** and the others sneak back into town, somehow acquire my prisoners-- I'm not sure how-- and wind up with them in what I assume to be an abandoned structure of some sort while I'm busy talking to the mayor.

D then begins torturing the prisoners. Gleefully. In detail. He's not really asking questions, giving them a chance to reply, anything, he just goes straight for "how many of them can I drive into mental breakdowns?" (Two of them, very quickly, it turns out). He repeatedly points out that this is the sort of thing the OSS actually did. I'm just sitting there, absolutely horrified and disgusted, as all this is going on. The Rogue is happily assisting; the Paladin puts in a token objection, after some prompting, but backs down when D puts a gun to his head. The DM doesn't look to happy, but isn't doing anything to stop it. Eventually he manages to work in some actual information around the screaming, and D*** asks what I think.

"What?" I say. "I'm not in the building. I don't know any of this."
"What building?" he asks. "We're just outside."

...:smallannoyed:...:smalleek:...:smallfurious:

I declare I couldn't have been near this mess, but we decide they find me and inform me that the bandits are probably coming back. Time to fortify the town. I offer to knock down the only bridge, buying us some time while they ford the river. D*** starts to make plans for carving insults into heads and nailing them up by the rubble.

I sigh. I tell the DM that my character is riding for the bridge, but that I'm out. I say something to the effect of "I'm sorry, but I can't play in such a ****ed up game," and walk out the door. As it slams behind me, I hear D*** saying something to the effect of "f****t."

The DM later apologized to me, saying "that was f***ed," and promised to invite me back to any games or sessions without the guy, and noted that he'd probably be hunted down by paladins soon for his action. I still haven't gone back; instead, I kicked off a new game with the DM, the player I actually liked (who's turned out to be a pretty cool dude), and some other friends. So at least something good came out of all it.

And that's the story of the only game I've ever walked out of.

(And hey, fun postscript! Apparently D*** found me through the DM's facebook, because later that night, I got a message informing me in no uncertain terms that I was "no true super sand virginia.")

ComaVision
2017-04-12, 03:05 PM
(And hey, fun postscript! Apparently D*** found me through the DM's facebook, because later that night, I got a message informing me in no uncertain terms that I was "no true super sand virginia.")

I'm confused, are you making the reference or is that a direct quote?

Cluedrew
2017-04-12, 03:10 PM
That seems more pathetic than anything else. Not sure why.

This is an aside, but I don't understand why guns tend to have such high damage in games compared to fantasy weapons. Guns overtook other types of weapons because of range, fire-rate and (most importantly) they require the least amount of training of almost any weapon of war. I think they should probably be comparable to, perhaps slightly better than, daggers in terms of damage dealt.

Grod_The_Giant
2017-04-12, 03:18 PM
I'm confused, are you making the reference or is that a direct quote?
Direct quote

Vinyadan
2017-04-12, 03:41 PM
That seems more pathetic than anything else. Not sure why.

This is an aside, but I don't understand why guns tend to have such high damage in games compared to fantasy weapons. Guns overtook other types of weapons because of range, fire-rate and (most importantly) they require the least amount of training of almost any weapon of war. I think they should probably be comparable to, perhaps slightly better than, daggers in terms of damage dealt.

I think it's also a matter of dodgeability and penetration, especially of hard tissue like bones. There's a lot of energy in a bullet: about 50 times more than a stab (assuming a stab at 40 joule and an AK 47 which, at point blank, shot at about 2000 joule).

The heck does super sand Virginia mean?

Grod_The_Giant
2017-04-12, 03:50 PM
I think it's also a matter of dodgeability and penetration, especially of hard tissue like bones. There's a lot of energy in a bullet: about 50 times more than a stab (assuming a stab at 40 joule and an AK 47 which, at point blank, shot at about 2000 joule).

The heck does super sand Virginia mean?
That said, I think you're a lot more likely to survive getting shot than, say, smacked in the face with a ten-pound battleaxe.

Guizonde
2017-04-12, 03:50 PM
@grod: as much as i enjoy being the token lunatic in games, i tend to reign back in when i feel i'm going overboard. in the few instances where i had to torture people, i tended to gloss over it, unless it led to an intimidation check and had to rp it. too many times my friends (who don't study medieval history and are a bit less jaded than i am to human cruelty) called me out for making them uncomfortable. i apologized, felt like a monster, and we moved on. this happened a grand total of 2 times, which frankly was three times too many for me.

you clearly entered a game with that guy, he who is an idiot sandwich wrapped in oblivious pastry. one question, though. what the hell is a "true super sand virginia"?

Grod_The_Giant
2017-04-12, 03:58 PM
you clearly entered a game with that guy, he who is an idiot sandwich wrapped in oblivious pastry. one question, though. what the hell is a "true super sand virginia"?
I think it was supposed to be "no true super sayan" ... something, probably either "virgin" or "vagina."

Max_Killjoy
2017-04-12, 03:59 PM
I don't think the word was actually "virginia". :frown:

Vinyadan
2017-04-12, 04:33 PM
...Vegeta?

Anonymouswizard
2017-04-12, 04:35 PM
As a random note, am I the only person here who has had their character railroaded into condoning torture? (\granted I should have done more reading on my character's religion pre-game.) Although I suppose the fact that I had access to almost every major healing spell in the game made it even worse (we can break every bone in your body one by one unless you tell me the information, and in 20 minutes I can do it again in reverse).

Also put my vote down for 'he meant "super sayin' vegan"'.

ComaVision
2017-04-12, 04:38 PM
(And hey, fun postscript! Apparently D*** found me through the DM's facebook, because later that night, I got a message informing me in no uncertain terms that I was "no true super sand virginia.")


Direct quote


The heck does super sand Virginia mean?


what the hell is a "true super sand virginia"?


...Vegeta?

It's from an old Dragonball Z parody. You can easily find it by just googling the phrase. It's a discussion between Virginia (Vegeta) and Kakakakakakarrot Cake (Goku/Kakarot).

Vinyadan
2017-04-12, 04:42 PM
That said, I think you're a lot more likely to survive getting shot than, say, smacked in the face with a ten-pound battleaxe.

Alas, poor Trotsky. (Killed with an ice pick to the head.)

Cluedrew
2017-04-12, 05:02 PM
As a random note, am I the only person here who has had their character railroaded into condoning torture? (\granted I should have done more reading on my character's religion pre-game.)Also, was your character supposed to be a model member of the religion, or did the GM just assume that ever member of a religion agrees on every matter?


I think it's also a matter of dodgeability and penetration, especially of hard tissue like bones. There's a lot of energy in a bullet: about 50 times more than a stab (assuming a stab at 40 joule and an AK 47 which, at point blank, shot at about 2000 joule).If we fold armour piecing into damage than maybe. But my metric was really "both can kill you, both are far from guarantied to" and trying to guess at the amount of physical damage each would to.

Of course that does depend on how we model damage (do we track meat damage, luck damage, damage tags) in the game, the level of abstraction in the combat system, other assorted system details and of course, what gun and what blade are we talking about.

Anonymouswizard
2017-04-12, 05:17 PM
Also, was your character supposed to be a model member of the religion, or did the GM just assume that ever member of a religion agrees on every matter?

Something something ordained priest of the Empire's largest religion. I was actually acting OOC, but just didn't have the info I should have had.

Honest Tiefling
2017-04-12, 07:00 PM
Something something ordained priest of the Empire's largest religion. I was actually acting OOC, but just didn't have the info I should have had.

Admittedly, I don't think many empires were founded on a non-torture basis, so I get the feeling that there was a huge miscommunication in this event. But if torture is common enough, it might be a little strange that an ordained priest would be so vocal with such opinions.

That's like joining a demon summoning cult and trying to replace the cannibalism with tofu. Probably not going to fly.

Arbane
2017-04-12, 07:22 PM
Usual D&D horror stories get old. So here's another story from RPGnet. :smallsmile:

As long as you're posting the truly great horror stories from RPGnet, look for the Fecamancer and the Identity Thief. Those are also deeply unsettling. :D

J-H
2017-04-12, 08:53 PM
Ok I got one for you: at the time we were all in our late teens/ early 20's, except for one 15 years old kid.
Now, there was a 40 something man, let's call him P, that almost lived in our local gaming store. Every single time I was there, he was there. But I've never seen him with any other adults, rather, he was always with some fairly young kids. One time, he stumbles upon the room where were hosting our current D&D campaign and just hangs around, chatting with us during downtime and generally being friendly.
Turns out he's an old D&D player and he really wants to join us. We don't see the harm in it and next session he shows up to play.
At this point, it becomes fairly apparent that the guy wasn't at all interested in the game. He made some sort of stereotypical joke character/ murderhobo, I think it was either a dwarf or a halfling, and spends most of the game talking to the 15 years old kid, let's call him J. Mostly making jokes about what was happening at the table, offering him potato chips, that sort of things.
The session goes on for a while and so we order pizza. P insists to order beer for J as well*. Needless to say, J can't hold his alcohol and gets tipsy very quickly. At this point it's running late and P offers to give us a ride home. Some of us were within walking distance but some, including J, accepted.
I didn't go with them, but later that evening I get a phone call from J's mother that says the kid didn't come home. I make a few calls, J's phone is dead but I find out P took him to a pub, I get in touch with him and say that J's mother wanted her son back asap.
P gets really defensive and angry, probably also due to my "WTF are you doing with a 15 years old in a pub?" and leaves the pub saying J can find his way back on his own and that he "didn't want to be compromised".
I get in contact with a friend of mine and we drive to the pub to bring J home, only to find him completely wasted. He complained that he felt sick so we brought him to the hospital.
There, J's mother met with us and, understandably upset, asked who the hell P was. We told her what we know and went home.
P never showed up at the gaming store again. Few weeks later, we find out he got arrested for "incriminating pornographic material".

* bit of a clarification, in Italy underage drinking isn't a big deal. We normally have wine at the table and around J's age it's not that strange to have a glass of wine or beer while eating. It's not encouraged but it's not a taboo as in the US, either.

Just in case anyone didn't pick up on it, this looks like pedophile grooming behavior to me. Had to go through some training recently at church (required for everyone who volunteers in childcare). A lot of people let stuff slip because "he seems nice" or "surely someone would have caught it." The average number of victims before someone goes to jail is scarily high, like often into 3 digits and 20 years of offending.

sktarq
2017-04-12, 10:58 PM
As a random note, am I the only person here who has had their character railroaded into condoning torture?

Nope.

Which brings me to the time I was that creepy player who scared people off the game.

So when I was 16 I met a guy who wanted to play a system I had never heard of but he was willing to run it. I was in. It was called Rifts. He got a couple other players who were new to all sorts of RPG's and we were 13-17. Because I had been playing D&D for years at that point I had a huge leg up on my fellow players. To the point it was kinda unfair. A couple even called me the "other brain cell" when they needed help. Mostly it was a combination of youth and inexperience but it was a thing. So the ST decided to nerf my characters to help bring me in line and prevent me from overtaking the table. I actually ended up loving this for the first two characters he did this with (our games generally lasted 3-8 sessions) but the third. The other players had been bothering him to play and "evil" campaign. I had experimented with a couple of LE dark honorable sorts and the first of my sineater CE types at this point but never had a full on evil-for-the-lulz character so figured I could do it. . . This time he just flat out made my character from start to finish rather than work with me to create a weaker one. . . .
The we all had one shots to get into character and meet up at a rally point.
So yeah. I went by what he told me and ran with it. Torture, practice of carving runes into still living innocents so they will correct in spite of squirming, murder to resell cyborg parts and on it went. He was a total nutso - said so right on the page. And it seemed a challenge to play-to turn him into a human character with his own very very messed up moral code.
my character was too violent and evil for the ST apparently.
I freaked out the ST
He called the game off
He stopped playing Rifts
He stopped being my friend.

I was sad
I became far far more sensitive about how other people handle horror and evil at the table.
I got the whole - evil-for-the-lulz out of my system having found it kinda hollow.

In terms of OTHER players two minor ones

The guy who really really needed to find a way to vent his sexual energy not at the RPG club table. He would try to hump anything. His girl chasing was distracting mostly but really went too far to be funny. I think it was gender checking a bullette or ankeng or something that got my limit. But he was very certain he didn't want to hump a rump. Even a female rump. He was one of the guys who played a game of FATAL at the club too. . . glad I wasn't at that table.

and the very very serious tacticool guy (human) who always played ninjas or special forces types (characters). Who were always badass and tended to share his initials. He couldn't seem to separate the fates of the PC's from his own during the game sessions. Which was problematic. Was really the only guy I've ever though I may have to get in a fight with to protect the other players (he liked me so that was unlikely to be a direct issue). He was also misogynist as all get out on game days and only game days. He also had a sense of humour on not-game days.

Pauly
2017-04-13, 03:07 AM
I used to work with a guy, we'll call him S. At first glance S was a bit of a slacker but since I grew up near a military base and a lot of my friends were from military families and/or ended up in the military I picked up he was ex-military. So after 2 or 3 months from little things he had said I had worked out that (a) he had been on the two way rifle range and (b) he had been inside other countries before the shooting war officially started. S liked computer RPGs so I talked him into trying TTRPGs.

I had been busy so I had been away from my regular gaming group for a about 6 months. I teed it up with the GM and S and I came to the next session.

What I didn't know is that another ... acquaintance ... R had joined the group. R looks like the comic book guy from the Simpsons, only with much worse personal hygiene. R always dated young (18 or 19 year old) girls because no woman with any experience would put up with him. R had been kicked out the table top wargaming club I'm not sure why and he had been invited to leave the 19th century re-enactors group after suggesting another re-enactor's girlfriend could join up as a camp follower.

Anyway R's particular fantasy was that he was going to be a 'black ops' operative. So he had knew all the finest techniques one could acquire from intense study of "soldier of fortune" and would tell anyone all about three round groups, how to stab people without making noise, how to avoid patrols, how to capture, immobilize, silence, and transport a high value target etc.

So S and I get to the game and I end up sitting between S and R. We're playing D&D and our mission for the session is to capture one of the BBEG's foreign allies so our rogue can go undercover in the BBEG's Fortress of Doom (tm).

Things were going well untill about 2 hours in R starts pontificating about how he would do the mission "in real life". S is a super chill guy, but I felt him getting tense. S says real flat "it doesn't work like that". At this point everybody else picks up that S knows what he's talking about and try to shift the conversation back to the game. R on the other hand is oblivious and keeps sharing his wisdom with the table. S then explained in explicit detail how R's throat cutting technique was wrong and the correct way to do it and why getting your clothes soaked in blood is a bad thing when you're on an extended missilon.

Until then I hadn't realized just how creepy the "I'm gunna be a black ops" is.

Anonymouswizard
2017-04-13, 03:27 AM
Admittedly, I don't think many empires were founded on a non-torture basis, so I get the feeling that there was a huge miscommunication in this event. But if torture is common enough, it might be a little strange that an ordained priest would be so vocal with such opinions.

That's like joining a demon summoning cult and trying to replace the cannibalism with tofu. Probably not going to fly.

I'll be honest, the information was out there and the GM was using an established setting, and he'd essentially been raised by the church. The church also specifically condoned torture as a way to get information so yeah, as soon as I had five minutes to look it up it was effectively all sorted.


Nope.

Which brings me to the time I was that creepy player who scared people off the game.

So when I was 16 I met a guy who wanted to play a system I had never heard of but he was willing to run it. I was in. It was called Rifts. He got a couple other players who were new to all sorts of RPG's and we were 13-17. Because I had been playing D&D for years at that point I had a huge leg up on my fellow players. To the point it was kinda unfair. A couple even called me the "other brain cell" when they needed help. Mostly it was a combination of youth and inexperience but it was a thing. So the ST decided to nerf my characters to help bring me in line and prevent me from overtaking the table. I actually ended up loving this for the first two characters he did this with (our games generally lasted 3-8 sessions) but the third. The other players had been bothering him to play and "evil" campaign. I had experimented with a couple of LE dark honorable sorts and the first of my sineater CE types at this point but never had a full on evil-for-the-lulz character so figured I could do it. . . This time he just flat out made my character from start to finish rather than work with me to create a weaker one. . . .
The we all had one shots to get into character and meet up at a rally point.
So yeah. I went by what he told me and ran with it. Torture, practice of carving runes into still living innocents so they will correct in spite of squirming, murder to resell cyborg parts and on it went. He was a total nutso - said so right on the page. And it seemed a challenge to play-to turn him into a human character with his own very very messed up moral code.
my character was too violent and evil for the ST apparently.
I freaked out the ST
He called the game off
He stopped playing Rifts
He stopped being my friend.

I was sad
I became far far more sensitive about how other people handle horror and evil at the table.
I got the whole - evil-for-the-lulz out of my system having found it kinda hollow.

Interesting story. I think this is the reason that evil 4 te lolz characters should not be used the people who can do it effectively.


In terms of OTHER players two minor ones

The guy who really really needed to find a way to vent his sexual energy not at the RPG club table. He would try to hump anything. His girl chasing was distracting mostly but really went too far to be funny. I think it was gender checking a bullette or ankeng or something that got my limit. But he was very certain he didn't want to hump a rump. Even a female rump. He was one of the guys who played a game of FATAL at the club too. . . glad I wasn't at that table.

God, at least I'm not that bad. I feel sorry for the other guys who played FATAL (what happened when they discovered the XP rules? The 'random grappling position' table?)

Kalmageddon
2017-04-13, 05:47 AM
Just in case anyone didn't pick up on it, this looks like pedophile grooming behavior to me. Had to go through some training recently at church (required for everyone who volunteers in childcare). A lot of people let stuff slip because "he seems nice" or "surely someone would have caught it." The average number of victims before someone goes to jail is scarily high, like often into 3 digits and 20 years of offending.

That was the point, yes.
I don't know if there's an actual lesson to be taken out of that story, personally I was fine after it and J too didn't get anything more than a talk by his mother and a really bad hangover. But still, what could have happened is... really, really bad.

Glorthindel
2017-04-13, 06:08 AM
There was one guy in the group I played in at university (we'll call him R). The first time I ran in to him was at the RP society meeting at the start of the year to break us up into smaller groups. R and a girl across the room kept exchanging subtle barbs and put-downs, that got slowly less subtle over the evening. I was sat next to R, and I gleaned out of him that they had both grown up locally, and that they had some past "history". So I wrote it off as a slightly amusing diversion, and thought no more (As an aside - I came to get to know the girl in later years, and discovered things were a bit different, and quite a bit darker, but by then R was no longer on the scene). We divided up in to groups, and I was put in the same group as R.

To be fair, I kinda liked the guy at the start - I had him down as the typically socially-awkward, sexually-frustrated sort of nerd that I could kinda sympathise with (at the time I was certainly a bit of both myself). Our group had one girl in it, a German student who was doing research work at the university. Fortunately she was tough, fiery, and took no **** from anyone, and over the first few months, she put him firmly (and quite brutally) in his place when he started to up the creep factor. And he did, both in and out of game he came off as a little creepy and lecherous, with most girls we knew outside the game taking an immediate dislike to him, and us having quite a few WTF moments when his character went a bit off the creepy end in game. But it was first year at university, and one way or another, most of us were struggling with finding ourselves, and often alcohol and "other substances" intruded in to the latter-part of the sessions, which often caused "that got a bit weird" retcon moments. So, in all, we probably gave him a bit more lee-way than we should.

The one thing that most caught me by surprise was during the campaign, my character suffered an unfortunate "gender realignment" (I drank an unidentified potion when in a tough spot, and it turned out to be of gender changing). It was almost like a switch had been flipped in his head, and he started hitting on me. Despite the fact I am male, and although my character was now female, it was originally male, still felt and acted male (barring the change in "bits"), and R's character knew him as a male, it was like I had transformed to him. For the start I thought he was just messing with me, but until my character got cured (I think the DM had a bit of a WTF moment, and inserted the fix as fast as he could!), he treated me exactly like I was female. Seriously wierd.

Dappershire
2017-04-13, 07:23 AM
That post was made by Jake, role playing as his own ex-wife.

Oh Gods, I have never busted out laughing in real life while at work, like I just did. Top kek my friend.


Now I have to actually volunteer something.

8th grade. Just a few of us. The DM, his best friend, his girlfriend, one off and on guy, and myself; the recent transfer.
It was actually the DM who started to creep me out. Don't get me wrong, he was good. Imaginative, fair, really a fine DM. Impressive, considering we really didn't stat out. Only played during school breaks, so everything was mental landscape type of stuff. I'd never tried it that way, but it wasn't hard to catch on. What began to creep me out was when I realized he was subtly, almost casually, trying to set my character up with his GF's.
I'd find myself in a social interaction, and i'd just be gently reminded of certain mind control powers i'd have. And what they could do. My directed expletives might turn literal (always a DM gag to pull, so not too obvious what was going on.) I'd be placed with the perfect opportunity to go distressed damsel saving. I mean, her characters were tough in and of themselves, but somehow I'd always end up taking lead roles. Almost being forced to show off. And when my character's personality, or the roleplaying, demanded a romantic response from me; he would just stare blankly at me, with an "Is that all you got" kind of look on his face.
Now, I wasn't exactly anti-social when it came to girls. No Casanova, more of the f***boy type of comfortable with girls. Sure, immature, but 13's the year to be it. But I was constantly being challenged to cross wherever I thought the last line was.
It never really leveled off. I would just get a reprieve whenever we TPKd or attained Godhood or whatever, and would start anew. Sometimes I even tried to backstory in my own relationships, but somehow he was always able to come up with some really clever, imaginative way, to hook me up with her again. It was surreal.
Really fun campaigns though.

Fiery Diamond
2017-04-13, 10:07 AM
Oh Gods, I have never busted out laughing in real life while at work, like I just did. Top kek my friend.


Now I have to actually volunteer something.

8th grade. Just a few of us. The DM, his best friend, his girlfriend, one off and on guy, and myself; the recent transfer.
It was actually the DM who started to creep me out. Don't get me wrong, he was good. Imaginative, fair, really a fine DM. Impressive, considering we really didn't stat out. Only played during school breaks, so everything was mental landscape type of stuff. I'd never tried it that way, but it wasn't hard to catch on. What began to creep me out was when I realized he was subtly, almost casually, trying to set my character up with his GF's.
I'd find myself in a social interaction, and i'd just be gently reminded of certain mind control powers i'd have. And what they could do. My directed expletives might turn literal (always a DM gag to pull, so not too obvious what was going on.) I'd be placed with the perfect opportunity to go distressed damsel saving. I mean, her characters were tough in and of themselves, but somehow I'd always end up taking lead roles. Almost being forced to show off. And when my character's personality, or the roleplaying, demanded a romantic response from me; he would just stare blankly at me, with an "Is that all you got" kind of look on his face.
Now, I wasn't exactly anti-social when it came to girls. No Casanova, more of the f***boy type of comfortable with girls. Sure, immature, but 13's the year to be it. But I was constantly being challenged to cross wherever I thought the last line was.
It never really leveled off. I would just get a reprieve whenever we TPKd or attained Godhood or whatever, and would start anew. Sometimes I even tried to backstory in my own relationships, but somehow he was always able to come up with some really clever, imaginative way, to hook me up with her again. It was surreal.
Really fun campaigns though.

That's...really weird. How long did this go on? Maybe he wanted an excuse to break up with his girlfriend? Kids are weird.

arclance
2017-04-13, 01:35 PM
The creepiest gamer I ever played with was a self proclaimed "Vegan" who made "exceptions" for things that "looked good" like Bacon Cheese Burgers and Deer Chili.
He once played a Elf Bard who was a cannibal because it was "normal in his culture" for the character.
That by itself would not have been necessarily creepy just very weird, the way he role-played it was however.
I was introduced to this part of the character by him "cracking a rib off and sucking out the marrow" during the looting phase after combat with some assassins in a back alley.
This resulted in a long argument in the local game store where the game ran about the morality of cannibalism as a everyday thing as opposed to a survival tactic.
The Store Manager added a "No discussion or role-playing of Cannibalism" rule for the store to preempt the player starting the argument again on a different day.
I think he was aware he might have gone too far because he downplayed the cannibalism part of that character afterwards.

This was the first game I encountered him in but I came to know later that he was well know for cheating in games he played in.
He tried to play it off as not knowing the rules well enough but it happened too many times for anyone to believe that.
He also was fond of over powered DMPCs (Celestial Lion Mount for a Paladin at level 3 in 3.5/Pathfinder) when he tried to run games.
He was oddly a good DM other than his thing for DMPCs, the players actually had a lot of player agency and he was open to creative solutions which surprised me.

This was somehow creepier than the player who role-played, with gestures, having sex with a Hut (while playing a human) to attempt to negotiate a better price during a business negotiation.

Anonymouswizard
2017-04-13, 04:03 PM
This was somehow creepier than the player who role-played, with gestures, having sex with a Hut (while playing a human) to attempt to negotiate a better price during a business negotiation.

Eh, I'd go for the Cannibalism one as weirder, I actually know people willing to roleplay sex (that was a good group actually, and the sex RP wasn't done in front of the other players).

Plus there's that age old rule, make the GM uncomfortable enough and he might give you want you want to shut you up (I don't recommend it, smart GMs either just ask you to cut it out now or boot you from the table).

Guizonde
2017-04-14, 06:32 AM
Eh, I'd go for the Cannibalism one as weirder, I actually know people willing to roleplay sex (that was a good group actually, and the sex RP wasn't done in front of the other players).

Plus there's that age old rule, make the GM uncomfortable enough and he might give you want you want to shut you up (I don't recommend it, smart GMs either just ask you to cut it out now or boot you from the table).

frankly, if it fits in the universe, i've no problem with cannibalism and anthropophagy if it's done as one would talk about food. if it's done in an unsettling manner, then it gets weird quickly. the universe i play in has a tribe of cannibals. swell guys who eat their dead and worthy enemies. made us laugh when our dialogue went something like:" pass the parsley'd brains, please." "oh sure, want some kidney salad? it's really good." "don't mind if i do". please note, we were eating our deceased allied npc's as a sign of respect for having given their lives to save ours, and there's precedents both in-universe and out of universe that it's a debatable point, ie, some people are ok with it, others are weirded out, and other others think it's savage and barbaric. just like circumcision or veganism.

i've been in groups where cannibalism was roleplayed like a neckbeard eats cheetos. messily, tactlessly, and often. those got old fast and showed signs of immaturity, like playing sex-fiends, sociopaths, or stupid-evil characters. can be done well, rarely is (since it's hard to roleplay seriously). roleplaying cannibalism well: "failing to find enough food for the group, i cook, serve and eat the bard." now, done badly:"i eat the bard so he'll shut up. yes, in the middle of combat, why do you ask? is there a problem? i haven't mentionned i'm a cannibal in like, 20 minutes! what do you mean he fights back? no fair!"

i usually am the token lunatic at the table, so i'm the one weirding people out. it usually involves rubber chickens, live goats in funny hats, clowns, and/or atomic bombs. it's rarely distateful, and usually has a point. once, some idiot tried to out-weird my character during a one-shot. i believe i was playing a chaotic evil bard using exclusively bagpipes and vuvuzelas (apparently, vuvuzelas cause an alignment change to "evil". he was a swell guy, really!). because i played CE, that meant another rolled up a rogue halfling who tried to see up the skirts of every girl he passed and stole their underwear. see how "weird" became "creepy" quickly? it doesn't help that the guy playing said rogue was a slovenly creep who tended to prey on barely legal girls and on top of that was a notorious cheater (cooked dice, munchkinry, bad math... the works). why roll up a CE bard? fear spells and demoralizing the enemy, since i've never been a support like that. why roll up another halfling rogue with a panty fetish? no, seriously, i wanna know, because "to be a creep" is my only solution. plus, apparently it's a habit of his when he rolls up halfling rogues to make them be icky.

that guy is a serious offender, too. he's not in the top 10 creepiest of the thread, but he's definitely a "that guy", with a lot of creepy moments. his roleplay tends to be mary sue clichés and not so creepy, but he's definitely a creepy person, like getting a girl drunk to seduce her. he also steals dice and rulebooks while boasting he got them free from the author himself. did i mention he's a compulsive liar? against group judgement, i've made it one of my goals to ruin his day whenever i see him, mostly destroying his reputation or blatantly showing others he lies to their face. it's like setting fire to an orphanage: easy, petty, hard to resist and satisfying. it's mean on my part, but after seeing too many people getting their money and stuff stolen or girls getting felt up without their consent, i like to warn others.

Yuki Akuma
2017-04-14, 06:36 AM
I'm not sure many people see veganism as barbaric.

CharonsHelper
2017-04-14, 07:19 AM
I'm not sure many people see veganism as barbaric.

What if they use their vegan powers to punch a hole in the moon?

Cazero
2017-04-14, 07:44 AM
I'm not sure many people see veganism as barbaric.
You monster. (http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=3105)

Beleriphon
2017-04-14, 09:32 AM
:smallannoyed:

Or his attempt to put the het boys at ease, seeing as they always seem to be talking/thinking about breasts?

I've known a number of gay men that have a fascination with breasts. Not necessarily in a sexual way either, they just like them.

Anonymouswizard
2017-04-14, 09:32 AM
frankly, if it fits in the universe, i've no problem with cannibalism and anthropophagy if it's done as one would talk about food. if it's done in an unsettling manner, then it gets weird quickly. the universe i play in has a tribe of cannibals. swell guys who eat their dead and worthy enemies. made us laugh when our dialogue went something like:" pass the parsley'd brains, please." "oh sure, want some kidney salad? it's really good." "don't mind if i do". please note, we were eating our deceased allied npc's as a sign of respect for having given their lives to save ours, and there's precedents both in-universe and out of universe that it's a debatable point, ie, some people are ok with it, others are weirded out, and other others think it's savage and barbaric. just like circumcision or veganism.

i've been in groups where cannibalism was roleplayed like a neckbeard eats cheetos. messily, tactlessly, and often. those got old fast and showed signs of immaturity, like playing sex-fiends, sociopaths, or stupid-evil characters. can be done well, rarely is (since it's hard to roleplay seriously). roleplaying cannibalism well: "failing to find enough food for the group, i cook, serve and eat the bard." now, done badly:"i eat the bard so he'll shut up. yes, in the middle of combat, why do you ask? is there a problem? i haven't mentionned i'm a cannibal in like, 20 minutes! what do you mean he fights back? no fair!"

i usually am the token lunatic at the table, so i'm the one weirding people out. it usually involves rubber chickens, live goats in funny hats, clowns, and/or atomic bombs. it's rarely distateful, and usually has a point. once, some idiot tried to out-weird my character during a one-shot. i believe i was playing a chaotic evil bard using exclusively bagpipes and vuvuzelas (apparently, vuvuzelas cause an alignment change to "evil". he was a swell guy, really!). because i played CE, that meant another rolled up a rogue halfling who tried to see up the skirts of every girl he passed and stole their underwear. see how "weird" became "creepy" quickly? it doesn't help that the guy playing said rogue was a slovenly creep who tended to prey on barely legal girls and on top of that was a notorious cheater (cooked dice, munchkinry, bad math... the works). why roll up a CE bard? fear spells and demoralizing the enemy, since i've never been a support like that. why roll up another halfling rogue with a panty fetish? no, seriously, i wanna know, because "to be a creep" is my only solution. plus, apparently it's a habit of his when he rolls up halfling rogues to make them be icky.

that guy is a serious offender, too. he's not in the top 10 creepiest of the thread, but he's definitely a "that guy", with a lot of creepy moments. his roleplay tends to be mary sue clichés and not so creepy, but he's definitely a creepy person, like getting a girl drunk to seduce her. he also steals dice and rulebooks while boasting he got them free from the author himself. did i mention he's a compulsive liar? against group judgement, i've made it one of my goals to ruin his day whenever i see him, mostly destroying his reputation or blatantly showing others he lies to their face. it's like setting fire to an orphanage: easy, petty, hard to resist and satisfying. it's mean on my part, but after seeing too many people getting their money and stuff stolen or girls getting felt up without their consent, i like to warn others.

To summarise my actual thoughts: I have no problem with cannibalism as an in setting cultural or religious custom (in real life they're more complex due to organ donations), as long as they're tested like that. I'd never add it to a setting myself, but if a designer or GM does I wouldn't shy away from those cultures or religions.

There's a difference between 'I crack off a rib and suck the marrow' and 'I participate in this custom that my culture believes hours the dead'. Heck, I already eat stuff a lot of my friends find disgusting (animal hearts are very tasty, as it's most offal).

CharonsHelper
2017-04-14, 09:39 AM
'I participate in this custom that my culture believes hours the dead'. Heck, I already eat stuff a lot of my friends find disgusting (animal hearts are very tasty, as it's most offal).

I will say - I don't think that cannibalism ever had to do with honoring the dead. It was more to do with reminding yourself of your enemies and the intimidation factor. I've heard historians compare it to the custom of the Scythians (forerunners of the Huns/Mongols) of making the skulls of their enemies into cups.

Beleriphon
2017-04-14, 10:31 AM
I will say - I don't think that cannibalism ever had to do with honoring the dead. It was more to do with reminding yourself of your enemies and the intimidation factor. I've heard historians compare it to the custom of the Scythians (forerunners of the Huns/Mongols) of making the skulls of their enemies into cups.

Current research suggests it has nothing to do with food actually. At least in so far as people are actually pretty calorie poor for the amount of effort it takes to kill and eat one compared to say a cow, never mind a mammoth. So honouring the dead, by taking part of them into your quite literally, is possible.

Max_Killjoy
2017-04-14, 10:51 AM
Endocannibalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocannibalism).

Cluedrew
2017-04-14, 11:51 AM
So honouring the dead, by taking part of them into your quite literally, is possible.I'm not an expert on it, but I have heard tales of cultures (really old cultures) that as part of ancestor worship would eat their dead parents/grandparents. And I've also heard that in some "feast on the flesh of your enemy" it was only the strongest enemies who where eaten. Perhaps not "honouring" but there is definitely some respect in that.

Still makes me a little squeamish but I'm not from those cultures. Even if you want to represent a culture like that I would avoid going into detail.

Arbane
2017-04-14, 01:17 PM
roleplaying cannibalism well: "failing to find enough food for the group, i cook, serve and eat the bard."


And was there much rejoicing?

CharonsHelper
2017-04-14, 02:13 PM
And was there much rejoicing?

Only in 3.0.

sktarq
2017-04-14, 04:00 PM
Interesting story. I think this is the reason that evil 4 te lolz characters should not be used the people who can do it effectively.



God, at least I'm not that bad. I feel sorry for the other guys who played FATAL (what happened when they discovered the XP rules? The 'random grappling position' table?)

Part I: yeah, it was a bad thing. I learned that the ability to see the world from a different enough point of view as to be a villain or monster is a better trait as a DM/ST than a player. So many people identify with their PC's that playing a really out there one can imply that the player is really out there. It shouldn't be this way but it is.

Part II: The FATAL game(s) at the club were a different story. The first included the guy I mentioned and a couple of guys who I didn't like playing with as they were very -See-Kill-Loot-Repeat players. They swore up and down that they could play the game "seriously" This led to a challenge of the artsy "roleplay" types in the group (at an engineering college artsy is a very relative term here) to show them how it could really be done. Mostly two of my pals but I joined in. It can be done but VERY slowly and we didn't stop to be outraged at the things on the tables we didn't roll-mostly I have forgotten the game itself-bleached it but nothing much untoward happened-which I actually would have remembered I think.
Their reaction to the XP rules, any else totally stupid, etc was to crow that it could be done well if you god enough roleplayers. Which egged us at the other table on to waste three weeks of meetup on this deeply deeply boring game-I vaguely remember diagrammed sentences to try and figure out what the hell the rules ment. . . But basically I joined in a pretentious game of one-upmanship that was no fun for anyone involved. Not one of my finer moments but it was a horrible time in my life so FATAL fit right in.
I can't believe any of the newbies actually got into the hobby during that time. Though that first table included a bevy of bad D&D stereotypes that I didn't know existed in real life. Including people who were basically taken from the whole "where's the mountain dew" thing that defined gamers for awhile. And most were creepy-ish and just annoying. Including the whole sexual harassment of female players (which didn't fly there I'm glad to say so it stayed pretty mild) But that one guy took the cake.

Honestly I hate to think what it would have been like if a couple of the moderating influences where not there. Or what it would have grown into with time. Like some of the horror stories above probably.

Anonymouswizard
2017-04-14, 04:41 PM
Part I: yeah, it was a bad thing. I learned that the ability to see the world from a different enough point of view as to be a villain or monster is a better trait as a DM/ST than a player. So many people identify with their PC's that playing a really out there one can imply that the player is really out there. It shouldn't be this way but it is.

True, I believe my entire group woyuld now betray me in the prisoner's dilemma due to the characters I've played (I only meant to betray the party once! I just slipped a bug into one character's coat due to her being less forthcoming with information than the rest of us). I seem to get stuck into two modes with my PCs, too suspicious or 'how are they alive' (I don't take Overconfident as a disadvantage anymore because it just propels me to idoicy).

Never had the chance to do really out there characters, but I really want to play a lawful evil character at some point (probably a corporate-type in a sci-fi game, base the character around having a lot of resources and contacts over being particularly skilled). I just do lawful neutral well enough that I think I could pull off 'organised evil' very well (I plan to actually a Boskone style evil empire in my next science fiction game because I just find that sort of stuff to be so cool).


Part II: The FATAL game(s) at the club were a different story. The first included the guy I mentioned and a couple of guys who I didn't like playing with as they were very -See-Kill-Loot-Repeat players. They swore up and down that they could play the game "seriously" This led to a challenge of the artsy "roleplay" types in the group (at an engineering college artsy is a very relative term here) to show them how it could really be done. Mostly two of my pals but I joined in. It can be done but VERY slowly and we didn't stop to be outraged at the things on the tables we didn't roll-mostly I have forgotten the game itself-bleached it but nothing much untoward happened-which I actually would have remembered I think.
Their reaction to the XP rules, any else totally stupid, etc was to crow that it could be done well if you god enough roleplayers. Which egged us at the other table on to waste three weeks of meetup on this deeply deeply boring game-I vaguely remember diagrammed sentences to try and figure out what the hell the rules ment. . . But basically I joined in a pretentious game of one-upmanship that was no fun for anyone involved. Not one of my finer moments but it was a horrible time in my life so FATAL fit right in.
I can't believe any of the newbies actually got into the hobby during that time. Though that first table included a bevy of bad D&D stereotypes that I didn't know existed in real life. Including people who were basically taken from the whole "where's the mountain dew" thing that defined gamers for awhile. And most were creepy-ish and just annoying. Including the whole sexual harassment of female players (which didn't fly there I'm glad to say so it stayed pretty mild) But that one guy took the cake.

Honestly I hate to think what it would have been like if a couple of the moderating influences where not there. Or what it would have grown into with time. Like some of the horror stories above probably.

Eh, I realise now that my university's lack of a roleplaying club has been a boon, allowing me to get into a great game with good friends because someone's husband wanted to do a game of Unknown Armies. Everyone in the group is some breed of crazy, but of the minor kind and nobody quite hits gamer stereotypes.

Velaryon
2017-04-14, 09:41 PM
I wish this thread could get back on topic. I love "Worst Gamer" threads, and I've seen so many of them ruined by the Lanky tales and the old RPGnet Jake story. Too many to count. A pity, I thought this one was going to last after it got past the Jake story relatively unscathed, but Lanky proved too strong.

Agreed. They were fascinating stories the first time or two, but I've found that they always get trotted out eventually in threads like these and they tend to sidetrack or shut down discussion. I'm pleased to see that this thread has recovered, and so I'll say no more on the subject. :smallsmile:



Oh Gods, I have never busted out laughing in real life while at work, like I just did. Top kek my friend.


Now I have to actually volunteer something.

8th grade. Just a few of us. The DM, his best friend, his girlfriend, one off and on guy, and myself; the recent transfer.
It was actually the DM who started to creep me out. Don't get me wrong, he was good. Imaginative, fair, really a fine DM. Impressive, considering we really didn't stat out. Only played during school breaks, so everything was mental landscape type of stuff. I'd never tried it that way, but it wasn't hard to catch on. What began to creep me out was when I realized he was subtly, almost casually, trying to set my character up with his GF's.
I'd find myself in a social interaction, and i'd just be gently reminded of certain mind control powers i'd have. And what they could do. My directed expletives might turn literal (always a DM gag to pull, so not too obvious what was going on.) I'd be placed with the perfect opportunity to go distressed damsel saving. I mean, her characters were tough in and of themselves, but somehow I'd always end up taking lead roles. Almost being forced to show off. And when my character's personality, or the roleplaying, demanded a romantic response from me; he would just stare blankly at me, with an "Is that all you got" kind of look on his face.
Now, I wasn't exactly anti-social when it came to girls. No Casanova, more of the f***boy type of comfortable with girls. Sure, immature, but 13's the year to be it. But I was constantly being challenged to cross wherever I thought the last line was.
It never really leveled off. I would just get a reprieve whenever we TPKd or attained Godhood or whatever, and would start anew. Sometimes I even tried to backstory in my own relationships, but somehow he was always able to come up with some really clever, imaginative way, to hook me up with her again. It was surreal.
Really fun campaigns though.

Maybe he has a fetish and this is the closest he can bring himself to telling her about it/acting on it? That verges into topics inappropriate for this board, but it was my first thought on seeing how much the DM was trying to set you up with his GF's characters.

Inevitability
2017-04-15, 08:44 AM
Only in 3.0.

The 3.5 bard has diplomancied a few dozen people into being his bodyguards whose weapons are all on fire for some reason now and OH GOD HE'S GOT SLIPPERS OF BATTLEDANCING.

Fey
2017-04-15, 03:23 PM
The worst I had was a teenage guy (which described most of the group at that point, because I was GMing for friends and siblings of friends and I was about 15 at the time) who decided to play a lesbian nymphomaniac, and who played it exactly as well as the first part of the sentence suggested. It's not much, and it's especially not much compared to that nightmare story upthread.

I think I used to play with that exact same guy!

I also once played a pixie in an online group. She was playful and joked around a lot, and she liked to cast the "Attraction" power on people in order to make them be her friend.

One player took "attraction" a little too literally and said he grabbed my pixie and started humping her leg...

Max_Killjoy
2017-04-15, 03:24 PM
I think I used to play with that exact same guy!

I also once played a pixie in an online group. She was playful and joked around a lot, and she liked to cast the "Attraction" power on people in order to make them be her friend.

One player took "attraction" a little too literally and said he grabbed my pixie and started humping her leg...


Who hasn't?

Anonymouswizard
2017-04-15, 04:19 PM
Who hasn't?

Me. It was a woman in her mid twenties for my first experience with the LesbianBisexual Stripper NinjaSorceress. Actually worked out quite well as it was obviously just to have fun, like my planned bishonen 'martian ice god' (he's always in as few clothes as possible because earth is hot), the right player can make any character work.

Max_Killjoy
2017-04-15, 11:48 PM
Me. It was a woman in her mid twenties for my first experience with the LesbianBisexual Stripper NinjaSorceress.


Then she was "that guy". Being "that guy" is gender inclusive. :smalltongue:

Ninja-Radish
2017-04-17, 08:16 PM
I've known a number of gay men that have a fascination with breasts. Not necessarily in a sexual way either, they just like them.

That's quite true. My wife's best friend is gay and he's completely fascinated with her breasts. I thought it was bizarre at the time but I've seen that a few times since, so I guess it might be more common than people realize.

sktarq
2017-04-17, 09:38 PM
I do wonder it there are stereotype some people have to try once for some weird developmental reasons.

Evil-4-the-lulz
Lesbian-stripper-Ninja/Bard/Sorcerer
Black Ops
Letch

That are prone to be seen as creepy.

Anonymouswizard
2017-04-18, 05:34 AM
Then she was "that guy". Being "that guy" is gender inclusive. :smalltongue:

Sorry, my point was despite the character she was not 'that guy', partially because of the group. The character concept isn't limited to 'that guy', just tends to be played by him.

Braininthejar2
2017-04-18, 05:42 AM
Not me, but my player - her former GM was a great gamer with a lot of creativity, but also a certified sociopath (as in, had a doctor's papers for it) He once broke a street fight by holding a guy's head on the rail in front of oncoming tram to make him surrender.

90,000
2017-04-18, 05:48 AM
A fairly competitive category right there.

Competitive enough that I've had to implement strict standards to get into my games.

Standards that have caused many people to label me elitist.

Quertus
2017-04-18, 07:41 AM
A fairly competitive category right there.

Competitive enough that I've had to implement strict standards to get into my games.

Standards that have caused many people to label me elitist.

And these standards are? A doctor's note saying you aren't a sociopath? :smalltongue:

Grod_The_Giant
2017-04-18, 08:12 AM
Not me, but my player - her former GM was a great gamer with a lot of creativity, but also a certified sociopath (as in, had a doctor's papers for it) He once broke a street fight by holding a guy's head on the rail in front of oncoming tram to make him surrender.
In-game or out-of-game? I know I've had characters do much worse...

90,000
2017-04-18, 08:18 AM
And these standards are?

Difficult to define.

I know a problem when I see it.

Since I'm the DM, that's all that really matters.

Yuki Akuma
2017-04-18, 09:31 AM
Difficult to define.

I know a problem when I see it.

Since I'm the DM, that's all that really matters.

The creepiest DMs I've ever played with are the ones who say this sort of thing.

sengmeng
2017-04-18, 10:03 AM
I think I was the creepy one. I'm a big hairy dude who played as a teen girl with the minimum height and weight and age allowed in the rules. She dual wielded bastard swords and my whole character concept was "tiny girl, big swords" but I may have creeped some other players out. Specifically, she told the halfling PC that he was her teddy bear when they camped for the night. Kind of cringeworthy now.

Beleriphon
2017-04-18, 01:25 PM
In-game or out-of-game? I know I've had characters do much worse...

Sounds like out.

Piedmon_Sama
2017-04-18, 01:29 PM
I do wonder it there are stereotype some people have to try once for some weird developmental reasons.

Evil-4-the-lulz
Lesbian-stripper-Ninja/Bard/Sorcerer
Black Ops
Letch

That are prone to be seen as creepy.

Wait what's "Black-Ops?"

Yuki Akuma
2017-04-18, 01:32 PM
Wait what's "Black-Ops?"

Like spec-ops, but 'grittier'.

After all, RPG protagonists are usually special operatives, even if they're not called that. So you have to sound cooler than them! And black is the coolest colour, donchaknow.

Guizonde
2017-04-18, 03:14 PM
Wait what's "Black-Ops?"

basically, black-ops are kill-teams. you send them in to do an evil deed (kill a vip, sabotage a well, destroy a power relay...) in a very "off the books" manner. can be used to save a hostage, take somebody hostage, search and destroy, false flag operations...

i'm guessing that this is included because of the potential for torture and sociopathy, nevermind to actually be part of a black ops outfit you need to be really level-headed.

Max_Killjoy
2017-04-18, 03:46 PM
Wait what's "Black-Ops?"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_operation

Winter_Wolf
2017-04-18, 03:50 PM
Not me, but my player - her former GM was a great gamer with a lot of creativity, but also a certified sociopath (as in, had a doctor's papers for it) He once broke a street fight by holding a guy's head on the rail in front of oncoming tram to make him surrender.

Guy sounds like a problem solver to me. He figured out a very effective way to end the fight and had a very persuasive argument in his favor.

Street fights don't have MMA style rules after all. When the opponent yells "stop!" and you let up, that's when the sucker punch comes, y'know?

sktarq
2017-04-18, 03:55 PM
Actually "black-ops" comes from those special ops missions that were never acknowledged by system that did them. But it kinda grew after that (merging with the similar Black Flag operations who did not what to identified the source). But the basic core idea are things that are not just classified but we don't even want records because we know this isn't okay stuff.

So yeah - assassinations, killing innocents, torture etc.

But in gamer terms they those who have seen and done the worst things in war declared and undeclared.

90,000
2017-04-18, 05:43 PM
The creepiest DMs I've ever played with are the ones who say this sort of thing.

Seems like our not playing together would be to our mutual benefit, then.

big teej
2017-04-19, 12:38 PM
I've got two, one I can go into detail about, and one that I could, but won't.


The one I can talk about? it's me. :smalltongue:

the one I won't? in short: I booted a guy from the group for sexually assaulting another player. (not at a game session). We ended up losing both players over it anyway.

/2 bits.

ComaVision
2017-04-19, 01:01 PM
I've got two, one I can go into detail about, and one that I could, but won't.


The one I can talk about? it's me. :smalltongue:

the one I won't? in short: I booted a guy from the group for sexually assaulting another player. (not at a game session). We ended up losing both players over it anyway.

/2 bits.

You went into greater detail over the one you can't go into detail about.

GungHo
2017-04-19, 01:19 PM
You went into greater detail over the one you can't go into detail about.

Maybe that's what makes him creepy.

90,000
2017-04-19, 06:10 PM
/2 bits.

Shave and a haircut

Vknight
2017-04-27, 09:01 PM
Man the themes and reoccurring things here.

So a few

Allen(not his first name;I believe his middle or last actually) : But what made him so gosh darn creepy?
-Super controlling about what others played in the sessions and would actively attempt too exclude you if you didn't play an idea he didn't like
-Constantly attempted too make Love Triangles even when the players didn't want romance
-When other players tried too start In Characters romances he actively tried to sabotage them.
-He has the creepy way of trying too implement his politics into every game. And if your not willing too agree mind control especially from NPCs. He has a whole campaign set in Russia about how great communism(set in 2010 area) was and the players were forcibly recruited too do government black ops.
-All female characters were sexually active as young as well... yeah lets put it this way it was not comfortable and half of us are from states with age of consent being 16.
-All female character were abused most often physically, and developed unhealthy relationships with older males. Either in the backstory or part of the game
-He only played females which is part of it not that cross play is bad mind you
-Mix in there unhealthy obsessions with knives, or other things often times phallic and well yeah

That is the creepy stuff. The guy had a whole lot wrong with him outside of that and well just was not in the right head-space.
Tried too talk but well he shut me down despite being friends for several years and then I was kicked from the group.
And though I still talk with and am ok with most of the group after that they haven't exactly been open or inclusive.
Though now that he has left that has started too change. Seems he decided too start a rather bad rumor among other things.

CharonsHelper
2017-04-28, 01:53 PM
He only played females which is part of it not that cross play is bad mind you

Cross-playing doesn't inherently make you a creeper, but a disproportionately high number of creepers like to cross-play. :roach:

ArendK
2017-04-28, 03:51 PM
Cross-playing doesn't inherently make you a creeper, but a disproportionately high number of creepers like to cross-play. :roach:

Amen. I don't think of myself as a creeper as I frequently cross-play; if I see a character in my head and it's just missing that certain Je ne sais quoi, I'll switch the gender without a second thought and see if that fills in the flow. The backstory and everything else can be identical, but just that one mental change can put it all together.

Hell, I'm looking forward to playing my gothic teenage hacker girl in Shadowrun in the next few weeks. Tried a male version as far as personality, reactions, and mannerisms, and drew a blank.

That being said, worst experience with creepers I've had;
A straight up narcissist in game that bled over completely (character and player were convinced all women loved him...think Howard from Big Bang Theory...)
Guy had an obvious crush on another players GF (who was at the table as well); hardcore trying to use charm person/poisons to knock her out/use "diplomacy/bluff" to seduce her character.
A woman player who would flirt with the guys at the table, but absolutely freak the frag out if there was any physical contact, even accidental (ala, I accidentally graze her arm/shoulder/leg sitting down next to her and she's immediately hostile/yelling).- I get if people don't like physical contact, but shot happens. A difference between being touchy-feely and "oops"
Another woman player who would conspire with the other players (especially female players) to ostracize anyone within the group she had even the slightest perceived grudge against (both in and out of game too....and my genius self thought it was a good idea to marry this psycho...).

And of course, I've had my fair share of the corpse-humpers/defilers who swore it was for the lulz. They usually got phased out PDQ.

CharonsHelper
2017-04-28, 07:33 PM
and my genius self thought it was a good idea to marry this psycho...

I sense that you may not still be happily married.

Hagashager
2017-05-01, 09:43 PM
Whether I like it or not I seem to attract at least one player who will always want to play something deeply disturbing or demented. It no longer phases me. The...unsettling creativity some of my old college buddies have in their "less than good characters" can get a bit much though. In my most current game, thankfully, only one of them has crossed a moral line to which the players just rolled their eyes. He, thankfully, can be a bit of a flake so it's rare he actually shows up. I have also completely given up on expecting any kind of altruism from my players with regards to their conduct in the game-world. God-forbid my players could just slay the dragon for once instead of trying to bargain the town-drunk's soul for his horde. It doesn't help that most of my players are all college-mates who went into the same field of study as me (Business) so any chance they get they WILL turn DnD into "Fantasy Business Simulator 2017".

Joking aside, my current players are a good lot. Nothing too crazy, they're all nice, clean, employed, and respect boundaries. I'm thankful to have a group that's as dedicated to playing as I am to GMing. I've managed to keep my current group going for a year and a half now with a monthly session lasting roughly 6-8 hours.

In past groups though there are two that stand out:

In early college I was part of a group who had one player that was aggressively uncooperative. He would always play characters that were wacked-out insane and deliberately bog down the session with needless questions so he could "Roleplay" how crazy his character would react. It eventually became offensive and insensitive as he'd role play a character with serious mental illnesses and start joking about real-world conditions like depression, autism, and PTSD. We drew the line at him pitching to the GM to role a rapist. We never invited him back again.

A few years back I was part of a Rogue Trader group who's protagonist was played by a girl who had a...perverse sense of humor. I'm not sure if she was actually trying to antagonize the other players, or if she honestly thought she was role-playing properly, but she consistently brought the session to a grinding halt by making our GM act out perverted and inappropriate scenes. What did not help was our Rogue Trader actually pretended to do the act to the actual player in real life. The other players gritted their teeth and just ignored her invasion of personal space because we didn't want to hurt her feelings, but she eventually got bored of the game, and when that happened we all sighed, scrapped the party and rolled new characters.

I've actually never had a problem with cross-players. In my current group I have a woman who's playing a man just fine and one of my male players' first character was a woman. (Sadly she thought it was a good idea to 1v1 a Death Knight)

In previous groups I had male players taking on female roles and were perfectly respectful and mature about it.

Vknight
2017-05-02, 03:51 AM
Cross-playing doesn't inherently make you a creeper, but a disproportionately high number of creepers like to cross-play. :roach:

Yeah I know and I certainly agree

Guizonde
2017-05-02, 06:44 AM
does it count if it's the universe's mechanics that creep out the players? using a homebrew between whfrp and dark heresy, we have a sanity system. mess up a roll too many, and you'll wind up with an insanity. this is always something bad. it goes from ptsd (a big handicap in combat), to pyromania, to bipolar disorder, to depression to... you get the idea. the first time my group got hit by that, they were truly unsettled. the player himself became unsettled by the insanity of his character. i believe he was hit by "macabre fascination". his inspiration for his medic was doctor mengele. after that session, he was quoted,:"dude may be the greatest doctor in the world but he's a monster! i love playing him but he's gonna give me nightmares!"

there are ways to counter-act and heal those things, but most of the time, we just take our lumps and it makes for great roleplay. "delusions of grandeur" and "kleptomania" actually wound up for making good sessions great due to the trouble they generated.

... but who the hell steals a goddamn used underwear off the town mayor? seriously?! (randomly generated theft by the dm) it created a political scandal that the face turned to our advantage after several bluff checks.

Griffith!
2017-05-02, 07:29 AM
To be fair, I'm pretty creepy. I won't go into details, but apparently I can make people uncomfortable. Probably doesn't help that I'm very open about my own psychological issues.

But the creepiest person I've ever played with? I don't remember the guy's name because in my head he's always been "Chet". Chet was that kind of guy who gave off that "fast food worker for life" vibe - listless, no ambition, no real skills or desire to improve his lot in life. And as someone who has spent more than a few years working in fast food, I think I'm qualified to call the type.

Chet was misogynistic, and he'd treat any women in the group as though they were little girls - you know, talking down to them, treating them as though they didn't know anything on any subject outside of My Little Pony, the usual crap. And yeah, like many creepy players, he'd often cross-play. But all the women he'd role-play as were hardened, tough amazonian warriors in skimpy armor with backstories filled - literally filled - with rapes and dead lovers and other terrible things. No matter what we were playing.

He would insist on trying to pepper in references to female anatomy when playing these characters. Not in a sexual context, but apparently just to remind everyone that his characters had them.

And he had a real staring problem. He'd look you in the face and just stare, for long periods of time, even if nothing was going on. Creepier when he did it to our younger members - including a seventeen year old girl who worked at the same greasy wrapper he did. Which would later turn out to be a big flashing warning light.

And of course, he would often go into long stories about his "military training" and how he was up to be special forces but they drummed him out for "liking the killing too much". He was a few years older than me, but based on his doughy physique and the size of his pot-belly alone, I call bull on those stories. He also suffered from "explosive rage syndrome", or claimed to anyway. Mostly he just threw temper tantrums and stomped around the table.

For awhile he was just a vaguely unwelcome presence at our hobbyshop games, but after awhile he started to get really unbearable. He'd sidle up next to me and say things like "Ugh, these young girls, man. It's like you're hot but get away from me, right?" And ask for intimate details about practically every girl I knew - including my then girlfriend. Or speculating on their personal grooming habits.

We didn't have to kick him out though. The cops did that for us. I'm sure you see where this is going. Apparently, there was an open warrant for his arrest a couple states over. The rumor is it was for statutory rape, and he'd been dating a fifteen year old girl over the internet for months.

But I don't know if that's true. I was just glad he was gone. We don't play at the hobbyshop anymore.

Bohandas
2017-05-02, 10:34 AM
... but who the hell steals a goddamn used underwear off the town mayor? seriously?!

Potentially any number of things. Pranksters, those gnomes from South Park, some kind of blackmarket burusera shop if the mayor's a woman, any number of things.

Kalmageddon
2017-05-02, 11:58 AM
Coming to think of it, I have another contender for creepiest gamer ever. But to make this tale forum appropriate I would have to basically post only the beginning and end.
So there was this guy, lived with his wife after a shotgun wedding imposed by her gang boss father...
... and they never found him again, though the family of the deceased went to great lengths to find out where he was.

(The jist of it is that this guy had massively inappropriate and criminal kinks which he injected into his campaigns times and times again. His wife tried to help him make them reality. Didn't end well.)

Lvl 2 Expert
2017-05-02, 03:11 PM
Are you saying he manslaughtered his wife because it's what his character would do?
You know what, never mind, I'm going to act like I didn't read that.

kyoryu
2017-05-02, 03:12 PM
Yeah I know and I certainly agree

Yuuuuup.

My creepiest guy was a jerk in other ways, too, but I remember a backstory he wrote for a (female) character of his which basically boiled down to his character's familiar pleasuring himself while watching the character bathe.

GPS
2017-05-02, 04:22 PM
Are you saying he manslaughtered his wife because it's what his character would do?
You know what, never mind, I'm going to act like I didn't read that.
The less we know, the less legal trouble we have.

sktarq
2017-05-02, 05:07 PM
So there was this guy, lived with his wife after a shotgun wedding imposed by her gang boss father...
... and they never found him again, though the family of the deceased went to great lengths to find out where he was.

The manner in which you present this story make me deeply amused. Thankyou.

:smallsmile::smalleek:

Fach
2017-05-03, 02:04 PM
Once had a new player join an existing game. Things went fine for a while. After a few sessions he invited only the female players to a game he would DM. According to them it was a game where the female players had to create female characters who were head over heels in love with the DMPC, with lots of mildly sexual situations. Think To-Love-Ru, or any other generic harem anime.

The session ended with him rage quitting because the players kept asking for more explicit sexual scenes like tentacle monsters, mind control, and gang rapes by orcs.

Honest Tiefling
2017-05-03, 03:06 PM
The session ended with him rage quitting because the players kept asking for more explicit sexual scenes like tentacle monsters, mind control, and gang rapes by orcs.

Towards their own characters, or towards the DMPC? Either way, that probably was a humorous way to shut that down, which is what I assume they were attempting to do.

Lvl 2 Expert
2017-05-04, 12:11 AM
That's what you ("a person" you of course, not you you) get for not telling your players what kind of game it's going to be. If they're aiming for slapstick while you're aiming for "subtly testing which ones might be down to do me", they're going to have their way.

Dappershire
2017-05-04, 05:32 AM
The session ended with him rage quitting because the players kept asking for more explicit sexual scenes like tentacle monsters, mind control, and gang rapes by orcs.


Bah, pansy. It is a DM's duty to give the players a delvable world they want to explore. I'd have had gangs of Orcs, mind controlled -by- tentacles (just tentacles, attached to nothing but orc orifices [orcifices?]), rolled up before the first session was even over.


....Damn. Am I -that- gamer?

Inevitability
2017-05-04, 06:21 AM
I'd have had gangs of Orcs, mind controlled -by- tentacles (just tentacles, attached to nothing but orc orifices [orcifices?]), rolled up before the first session was even over.

So something like this (https://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m96kaodlx41qzv4gao1_500.jpg)?

Anonymouswizard
2017-05-04, 06:28 AM
I dunno, considering I've come this close to having consentual tentacle sex be a thing in one of my games (a side effect of intelligent octopodes with full citizenship rights) it really depends on the group.

weckar
2017-05-04, 06:29 AM
Once had a new player join an existing game. Things went fine for a while. After a few sessions he invited only the female players to a game he would DM. According to them it was a game where the female players had to create female characters who were head over heels in love with the DMPC, with lots of mildly sexual situations. Think To-Love-Ru, or any other generic harem anime.

The session ended with him rage quitting because the players kept asking for more explicit sexual scenes like tentacle monsters, mind control, and gang rapes by orcs.Wait, they were playing into the game and he quit? I don't get this. This genuinely sounds like it could be a fun one-shot, to me.

BeerMug Paladin
2017-05-04, 01:28 PM
Once had a new player join an existing game. Things went fine for a while. After a few sessions he invited only the female players to a game he would DM. According to them it was a game where the female players had to create female characters who were head over heels in love with the DMPC, with lots of mildly sexual situations. Think To-Love-Ru, or any other generic harem anime.

The session ended with him rage quitting because the players kept asking for more explicit sexual scenes like tentacle monsters, mind control, and gang rapes by orcs.

This is funny, both in that the person apparently thought the females would like playing in a harem anime and how their attempt to roll with the punches and at least get something out of it they would enjoy upset him. I can't really picture any female seriously requesting such things for a game (you know, in the presence of others), but maybe that's indicative of my limited experience with lots of different roleplayers. After all, the BoEF was created.

I'm a bit puzzled why the DM didn't go with the requests, maybe he had some actual story in mind that he wanted to play out and regarded those requests as derails? But then, if there was an actual story motivation, why have only the female players..?

Velaryon
2017-05-04, 02:37 PM
This is funny, both in that the person apparently thought the females would like playing in a harem anime and how their attempt to roll with the punches and at least get something out of it they would enjoy upset him. I can't really picture any female seriously requesting such things for a game (you know, in the presence of others), but maybe that's indicative of my limited experience with lots of different roleplayers. After all, the BoEF was created.

I'm a bit puzzled why the DM didn't go with the requests, maybe he had some actual story in mind that he wanted to play out and regarded those requests as derails? But then, if there was an actual story motivation, why have only the female players..?

It sounds to me like he wanted a harem game around his DM-insert character, while likely also hoping that it would lead to an opportunity for sex with at least one of the women. The women clearly saw right through it and decided, rather than walking out, to mess with him by seeing how far they could push him with the extreme stuff before he quit, and succeeded in finding his breaking point.

I mean, it's either that or they really were strongly interested in the tentacle sex, but for the sake of my sanity I'm going to assume the former.

Vknight
2017-05-04, 02:47 PM
I have a few other creepy people.
None of them beat the earlier guy I personally feel.

There was a military guy who has this creepy stuff going on combine with an overprotective and threatening nature around his girlfriend(cause only he the military vet could have a girlfriend and the rest of us nerds were too pathetic too have one) and other things made it feel unsafe too be around him and that is just the dangerous and not the creepy stuff.

Ellora
2017-05-04, 03:19 PM
A guy in his early 20's from a local hobby shop who invited me into a game via the internet . He seemed nice, but presumed I was "arrogant" 'caus of my english accent on the first session. Gaming went on well for a while, but he generally had this tendancy of refusing to let people play anything other than what he wanted them to play, or change characters, or he generally tried to screw characters over unless he was bribed with food or gifts. He had this whole system going with his friends, and I never quite figured out what it was (and was somewhat ignorant about 4e back then). He had this feeling like.. I don't know, that sword lilacor from balder's gate.. deliberately dramatic and generally a pain in the ass if things weren't going the way he envisioned. Things came to a head when I tried to change characters and just generally decided he was immature, and that I'd had enough of him..


I know, small potatoes, right :) ?

Wierdly enough creeps tended to get drummed out of Vampire the Masquerade back in the day - but it was a very goth social game, we all knew what we were doing with consent and the themes, and we stuck together, and excluded wierdos, and passed rumors around.

The story of the guy who wanted to make some maid-harem game and found that the female players were secretly total perverts (or just terrible, old school VTM'ers like myself) is hilarity itself. Be careful what you wish for :)

People playing characters of different genders doesn't bother me if it's done in a sensitive, and realistic way. Perverts - oh , GOD, NO - the above player leaned a BIT towards doing that, but it was mostly a big joke to nuke a campaign (messing around with age of conan), and not really anything serious.

Ellora
2017-05-04, 03:25 PM
As a random note, am I the only person here who has had their character railroaded into condoning torture? (\granted I should have done more reading on my character's religion pre-game.) Although I suppose the fact that I had access to almost every major healing spell in the game made it even worse (we can break every bone in your body one by one unless you tell me the information, and in 20 minutes I can do it again in reverse).

Also put my vote down for 'he meant "super sayin' vegan"'.

///

I will not use this co-ersion attempt as an excuse to create a feminist dark avenger. I will not use this coersion attempt as an excuse to create a feminist dark avenger :)

Quertus
2017-05-04, 03:30 PM
Once had a new player join an existing game. Things went fine for a while. After a few sessions he invited only the female players to a game he would DM. According to them it was a game where the female players had to create female characters who were head over heels in love with the DMPC, with lots of mildly sexual situations. Think To-Love-Ru, or any other generic harem anime.

The session ended with him rage quitting because the players kept asking for more explicit sexual scenes like tentacle monsters, mind control, and gang rapes by orcs.


Wait, they were playing into the game and he quit? I don't get this. This genuinely sounds like it could be a fun one-shot, to me.


This is funny, both in that the person apparently thought the females would like playing in a harem anime and how their attempt to roll with the punches and at least get something out of it they would enjoy upset him. I can't really picture any female seriously requesting such things for a game (you know, in the presence of others), but maybe that's indicative of my limited experience with lots of different roleplayers. After all, the BoEF was created.

I'm a bit puzzled why the DM didn't go with the requests, maybe he had some actual story in mind that he wanted to play out and regarded those requests as derails? But then, if there was an actual story motivation, why have only the female players..?

... Hard as it may be to imagine, some of us don't like the beautiful female player(s) getting naked and offering to do everything to/with everyone at the table. Not that I've had that happen before. Certainly not in multiple games with different players. Nope, nope.

So, maybe this guy didn't consider what they were doing "getting into the game" so much as derailing the game, or moving it outside his comfort zone or something.

Ellora
2017-05-04, 03:34 PM
... Hard as it may be to imagine, some of us don't like the beautiful female player(s) getting naked and offering to do everything to/with everyone at the table. Not that I've had that happen before. Certainly not in multiple games with different players. Nope, nope.

So, maybe this guy didn't consider what they were doing "getting into the game" so much as derailing the game, or moving it outside his comfort zone or something.

The hilarity in my current vampire game is that we basically have this phone number, for call girls, or boys. The funny bit is that the social vampires NEVER used it, being too proud/and or quite capable of hunting on their own. It's really only the combat heavy types or socially inept (like myself, the "dark avenger" who'd rather kill than chat, and who's heavily physically oriented). We call up "food", pretend to be a human for a few hours, which always results in hilarous antics, and then get back to our scheming, plotting and killing of things. Who'd have thunk it, cannon VTM vampires are far more interested in feeding than sex but will fake the former when they're hungry, and don't quite have the time/social "permission" of other vampires for the old "taser in a back alley" solution.

Anonymouswizard
2017-05-04, 03:46 PM
I mean, it's either that or they really were strongly interested in the tentacle sex, but for the sake of my sanity I'm going to assume the former.

Considering some off... Considering most of the women I've met, I wouldn't put it past at least one of them, if not all of them.


A guy in his early 20's from a local hobby shop who invited me into a game via the internet . He seemed nice, but presumed I was "arrogant" 'caus of my english accent on the first session.

As someone who's accent is slightly RP (I had to have speech therapy as a child), this makes me mad. Why are English accents linked to arrogance? It's not like the national hobby is trying to refound the empire for goodness sake.


Gaming went on well for a while, but he generally had this tendancy of refusing to let people play anything other than what he wanted them to play, or change characters, or he generally tried to screw characters over unless he was bribed with food or gifts. He had this whole system going with his friends, and I never quite figured out what it was (and was somewhat ignorant about 4e back then). He had this feeling like.. I don't know, that sword lilacor from balder's gate.. deliberately dramatic and generally a pain in the ass if things weren't going the way he envisioned. Things came to a head when I tried to change characters and just generally decided he was immature, and that I'd had enough of him..

I don't understand why his refusal of people playing their own characters didn't get you to leave entirely. While I agree with limiting concepts to fit in the campaign (in the case where I've previously limited professions that wouldn't exist in setting, or had a specific mixture of ethnicities that worked with the climate at one point) as long as the character fits in the world the GM should allow the player to play it.

EDIT: I'm now worried about one of the last cross-play ideas I had, which was a female witch from what was essentially an African tribe, complete with standard getup when she could get away with it (essentially when she wouldn't be braking the law and changing wouldn't be inconvenient, so mainly in the wilderness). Never did all of the research needed to create the customs because it just didn't fit with the campaign, but I loved the concept and the party already had a lesbianstrippersorceress (played by a women, as I've previously mentioned). Most of my crossplay concepts don't get further then 'I just think this character would make more sense or be more fun as a women' and tend to rarely wear less than 'jeans and t-shirt', fairly often more.

Guizonde
2017-05-04, 04:05 PM
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As someone who's accent is slightly RP (I had to have speech therapy as a child), this makes me mad. Why are English accents linked to arrogance? It's not like the national hobby is trying to refound the empire for goodness sake.


i got the reverse going. i grew up in yorkshire, so i've got some archaic turns of phrases. i lived in the usa for 5 years. never managed to kick the twang in my accent, making people assume i'm an idiot trying to sound "smart". nope, love. i've just got an accent.

Honest Tiefling
2017-05-04, 04:10 PM
Wierdly enough creeps tended to get drummed out of Vampire the Masquerade back in the day - but it was a very goth social game, we all knew what we were doing with consent and the themes, and we stuck together, and excluded wierdos, and passed rumors around.

Weird. When I was at the FLGS many years back, the VTM players were the worst and made the hack and slashy DnD players look downright gentlemany in comparsion since they just wanted to whack things upside the head and didn't care if character or player had boobies.


...Considering most of the women I've met, I wouldn't put it past at least one of them, if not all of them.

Considering some of the men and women I've met, they're lucky that one didn't backfire admittedly.


As someone who's accent is slightly RP (I had to have speech therapy as a child), this makes me mad. Why are English accents linked to arrogance? It's not like the national hobby is trying to refound the empire for goodness sake.

I dunno. After reading this thread it might be a solid improvement.

Mr Beer
2017-05-04, 06:21 PM
As someone who's accent is slightly RP (I had to have speech therapy as a child), this makes me mad. Why are English accents linked to arrogance? It's not like the national hobby is trying to refound the empire for goodness sake.

Probably the same kind of stereotyping that links American accents to 'ignorant gun-toting redneck'.

To be fair, I think the standard stereotyping of English accents in the US is not limited to 'pompous snob', it also includes 'chirpily criminal Cockney'. If we include Britain you also have Scottish which means 'utterly unintelligible and probably dangerous'.

CharonsHelper
2017-05-04, 06:58 PM
If we include Britain you also have Scottish which means 'utterly unintelligible and probably dangerous'.

As my boss is Scottish, I will say say that the dangerous half makes me chuckle, but the unintelligible half is a bit true. :smalltongue:

Anonymouswizard
2017-05-04, 07:03 PM
Probably the same kind of stereotyping that links American accents to 'ignorant gun-toting redneck'.

To be fair, us English (not sure about the other countries) seem to have two general stereotypes of Americans, 'Ima gonna shoot you with my gun' and 'he's a great guy, though might have weird ideas about politics'. Without fail the latter category will include every American we happen to meet, leading to a joke among me and me friends that the English 'hate America but love Americans'.

Redneck isn't really an idea over here, I assume most British people, like me, won't be able to parse it without several seconds of thinking. Although I suppose that it's just like how if I started talking about the Home Counties the majority of Americans wouldn't have a clue what I'm talking about.


To be fair, I think the standard stereotyping of English accents in the US is not limited to 'pompous snob', it also includes 'chirpily criminal Cockney'. If we include Britain you also have Scottish which means 'utterly unintelligible and probably dangerous'.

Hey! You forgot 'dastardly villain'! I know it's close to pompous snob, but there's a distinct difference!

Anyway, I tend to be far more offended at the 'pompous snob' stereotype literally because the accent is closer to my own (and most of my immediate family's for that matter, but less so). It's also far, far more common in the American media I've seen, and not one we share ('chirpily criminal Cockney' isn't overly common in British media, but it's there).

Ninja-Radish
2017-05-04, 08:55 PM
You guys do realize that there's more than one "English accent" and more than one "American accent" right? There are several regional accents that are very different depending on where you come from in those countries.

A New York accent is different from a Boston accent which is different from a Texan accent which is different from a Midwestern accent. Same with accents in the UK.

Mr Beer
2017-05-04, 09:47 PM
You guys do realize that there's more than one "English accent" and more than one "American accent" right?

Yes. We're discussing people's preconceived notions concerning accents, rather than describing the plethora of accents that exist in real life.

Ninja-Radish
2017-05-05, 05:22 PM
Yes. We're discussing people's preconceived notions concerning accents, rather than describing the plethora of accents that exist in real life.

Understood, but each of those accents has a preconceived notion attached to it that the other regional accents may not have. For example, people tend to associate Southern accents with ignorance and poverty. Meanwhile, New York accents tend to be associated with wealth and cosmopolitan sophistication. While both are "American accents", they're viewed very differently.

I really like your sig, btw.

The Glyphstone
2017-05-05, 05:37 PM
Understood, but each of those accents has a preconceived notion attached to it that the other regional accents may not have. For example, people tend to associate Southern accents with ignorance and poverty. Meanwhile, New York accents tend to be associated with wealth and cosmopolitan sophistication. While both are "American accents", they're viewed very differently.

I really like your sig, btw.

Don't forget California accents (drug-smoking surfer/beach bum), and Texas accents (gun-toting crazy cowboy).

CharonsHelper
2017-05-05, 05:47 PM
Don't forget California accents (drug-smoking surfer/beach bum), and Texas accents (gun-toting crazy cowboy).

Chicago gangster is still around as an archetype

Anonymouswizard
2017-05-05, 05:52 PM
Understood, but each of those accents has a preconceived notion attached to it that the other regional accents may not have. For example, people tend to associate Southern accents with ignorance and poverty. Meanwhile, New York accents tend to be associated with wealth and cosmopolitan sophistication. While both are "American accents", they're viewed very differently.

I really like your sig, btw.

Please, Southern accents are generally associated with being relatively posh and well off.

Anyway, we were specifically going for international accent stereotypes, and so going for the 'most well known' accent(s) of a nation. There's a majority of in-country accent stereotypes that literally change where you are in the country, and many that don't. I can't hear a Brummie accent without thinking 'uneducated' even though I know several highly intelligent people from Birmingham, while if I hear a Yorkshire accent I'll think of someone who's hardworking but just likes very different stuff to me.

However, as far as I'm concerned, there are two American accents I tend to hear in media, generic 'American' and 'Southern American', despite having known several Americans in my lifetime it's about the same number as Chinese people, and significantly less than the British people I've met, so I haven't had a real chance to determine stereotypes of various accents (then again, America is also far enough away that I just mentally lump it as 'over there').

To put it another way, we talk about stereotyping the 'American' or 'English' accents (really more of an accent range, but that's annoying to talk about in some ways) in the same way we would a 'German', 'French', 'Chinese', or 'Indian' accent. We're not saying that there's not many accents within those groups, but we're more concerned about the view of those groups rather than the views within those groups.

And yes, people do group accents together in real life. I've been identified with everything from 'Home Counties' to 'London' by my fellow Englishmen, and 'London' itself is grouping a bunch of accents together (I can reliably identify two or three 'London' accents without getting into Cockney), as is for that matter 'Yorkshire'. However it's much easier and in some ways more useful here to talk about stereotypes of broad 'foreign' accents, if only because that's what started the conversation.

(Heck, I originally described my accent as 'slightly RP', I can also use 'stereotypically British', 'Southern', and 'Home Counties' to give various people ideas of what I sound like, it's just not overly useful in this situation)

Honest Tiefling
2017-05-05, 06:19 PM
Please, Southern accents are generally associated with being relatively posh and well off.

Southern...England? Because as a native Californian American Southern accents are more associated with screwing your siblings then actually knowing how to count above 5. So if a Southern accent is associated with wealth and class in England something definitely diverged.

The 'Generic' American accent you hear is probably California, due to California, well, having Hollywood and a lot of TV studios.

Mordar
2017-05-05, 06:26 PM
The 'Generic' American accent you hear is probably California, due to California, well, having Hollywood and a lot of TV studios.

"General" American is attributed to the Northern non-coastal states and the "midwestern" (note for anyone outside the US: "Midwest" is a stupid regional name, stupidly applied) states, and has become accepted as media standard - not because Cali has Hollywood, but because huge numbers of newscasters went to schools that teach accent reduction and mainstream marketability.

Dan Rather rather than Spicoli.

- M

Koo Rehtorb
2017-05-05, 06:35 PM
The wealthy/posh Southern American accents are generally along the lines of the Georgian plantation owner.

Why I do declare.

The Glyphstone
2017-05-05, 06:38 PM
Yeah, Posh Southern and 'Redneck Southern' are distinctly different as well.

CharonsHelper
2017-05-05, 06:55 PM
The wealthy/posh Southern American accents are generally along the lines of the Georgian plantation owner.

Why I do declare.

Interestingly, I heard on a documentary about accents that the high class southern accent is actually the closest remaining accent to the older English nobility accent. Because they talked the same as the English nobility, but then the upper crust in England artificially changed their accent in the late 18th & early 19th centuries to be more like Latin. Wealthy southerners didn't.


"General" American is attributed to the Northern non-coastal states and the "midwestern" (note for anyone outside the US: "Midwest" is a stupid regional name, stupidly applied) states, and has become accepted as media standard - not because Cali has Hollywood, but because huge numbers of newscasters went to schools that teach accent reduction and mainstream marketability.

It's leftover from the early US - when anywhere west of the original 13 colonies was "west". So they needed to differentiate between the far west (California/Colorado etc.) and the "Midwest". Plus - much of it was the "Northwest Territories".

It's basically the northern states between the two mountain ranges.

Anonymouswizard
2017-05-05, 06:56 PM
Southern...England? Because as a native Californian American Southern accents are more associated with screwing your siblings then actually knowing how to count above 5. So if a Southern accent is associated with wealth and class in England something definitely diverged.

Of course Southern English! If i meant Southern American I would have said so! (Heck, the idea of an 'American gentleman' feels a bit weird, like it would always be an exception to the rule with a nation we stereotype as overly rude, even though I know there's a very firm idea of what it is over the pond)

This is my point (and was in my post you quoted), ask any Englishman to tell you their stereotype of people who speak with a 'southern' accent and they'll default to the south of England, because that's where we live. The fact you continue to call it a 'Southern' accent, while completely legitimate sure to it just being that where you are, always makes me pause because I immediately think of London and the surrounding counties.

This is exactly why my location line says I'm in England, to let people know that if what I've written could have separate American and English (as well as potential Scottish, Wish, Northern Irish, or any other nation) interpretations I probably mean the British one. I expect most of what I read on this forum to be from an American viewpoint and read it accordingly, but find it difficult to write it in such a fashion.

I mean it's bad enough when you Americans use the wrong word for crisps or misspell armour. :smalltongue:


The 'Generic' American accent you hear is probably California, due to California, well, having Hollywood and a lot of TV studios.

I'm not saying it isn't Californian for whatever reason, but at the end of the day I'm doing what Americans do when they assume all English accents are RP (which definitely used to be the most common accent in British media, I'd say current 'British media English' it's more generic London) or Cockney. There's nothing wrong with it, but yeah don't get offended when I do exactly the same thing with American accents for exactly the same reasons.

Ellora
2017-05-06, 12:27 AM
[QUOTE=Honest Tiefling;21981652]Weird. When I was at the FLGS many years back, the VTM players were the worst and made the hack and slashy DnD players look downright gentlemany in comparsion since they just wanted to whack things upside the head and didn't care if character or player had boobies.

I played LARP a lot - it tended to attract a more mature/professional croud. I'm in an ongoing long distance game that has somewhat of the same...

Ellora
2017-05-06, 12:36 AM
As someone who's accent is slightly RP (I had to have speech therapy as a child), this makes me mad. Why are English accents linked to arrogance? It's not like the national hobby is trying to refound the empire for goodness sake.

- I don't know. In real life I can come across as legal and logical at times. I think it was an age difference to be honest. I didn't have a good group to game with at the time and he was in my area, so I put up with it for a while. I'm in with a wonderful Stradh group now, younger than me but with an amazing laid back GM.

I don't understand why his refusal of people playing their own characters didn't get you to leave entirely. While I agree with limiting concepts to fit in the campaign (in the case where I've previously limited professions that wouldn't exist in setting, or had a specific mixture of ethnicities that worked with the climate at one point) as long as the character fits in the world the GM should allow the player to play it.

* AL is such a plus that way. There are hard rules about what you can and cannot play and how, and it's not left to GM whim. Ok, YES, you can play drow..

EDIT: I'm now worried about one of the last cross-play ideas I had, which was a female witch from what was essentially an African tribe, complete with standard getup when she could get away with it (essentially when she wouldn't be braking the law and changing wouldn't be inconvenient, so mainly in the wilderness). Never did all of the research needed to create the customs because it just didn't fit with the campaign, but I loved the concept and the party already had a lesbianstrippersorceress (played by a women, as I've previously mentioned). Most of my crossplay concepts don't get further then 'I just think this character would make more sense or be more fun as a women' and tend to rarely wear less than 'jeans and t-shirt', fairly often more.

.. my Eilstraeean has totally gone to town, well she did once. They have a habit of running around the woods naked to celebrate dancing and life.. and so , once we'd totally fk'd up and pissed off the Burgomeister of Valaki, I totally had her striptease to distract everyone while we ran away. But to be honest, she's incredibly innocent and pure of heart. She has that "beauty of spirit, and hand out pamphlets" Eilistraeean hippie goodness going - that doesn't actually intend to go off and "fade to black" with anyone, more part of the "Love the Goddess! Beauty ! Song, Dance ! " fun :) Of course I'm going to have her get darkened a bit by ravenloft, but..

Mr Blobby
2017-05-06, 05:23 AM
The accent issue is one of my pet peeves; to the extent that I PM any player in a pbp game who says 'speaks with a British accent' etc to point out that such a thing does not actually exist.

I don't really crossplay much, to be honest; though the times that I have is when the concept I've come up with actually sits better with a female PC. In each case, the fact their reproductive organs were on the inside was a minor detail when compared to their goals, personality, class etc. Though I've never played a female outside of a modern setting - and none of them were physically attractive either.

But... come on, more horror stories! The best ones I've got are a) predictable, b) boring and c) only mildly annoying.

Guizonde
2017-05-06, 09:28 AM
But... come on, more horror stories! The best ones I've got are a) predictable, b) boring and c) only mildly annoying.

ask and ye shall receive... by the emperor i'm wondering what in the nine hells i'm doing reading this trainwreck, but for your suffering, here it is:

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Luke

it is... filthy, atrocious, and so horrible it's probably not exaggerated. (and that's just the prologue, i haven't gotten into the meat of the story yet).

Anonymouswizard
2017-05-06, 10:23 AM
ask and ye shall receive... by the emperor i'm wondering what in the nine hells i'm doing reading this trainwreck, but for your suffering, here it is:

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Luke

it is... filthy, atrocious, and so horrible it's probably not exaggerated. (and that's just the prologue, i haven't gotten into the meat of the story yet).

Ah man, that's a blast from the past. It's one of those stories I only believe because I've met people almost that bad (and been the person almost that bad, at least with regards to personal hygiene). Okay, not quite almost that bad in every single category, but one person who reaches halfway in every single category (assuming I can count myself). Heck, at university I have a reputation for being the local neckbeard (mainly because I have one when I forget to shave [often], like tribies and really wish I hadn't lost my last one, and have a lot of nerdy interests as well as problems with social skills*).

But yes, Luke is like every negative nerd stereotype rolled into one and turned up to 1116. While I do think the story relayed is biased due to mainly being from one perspective, I think that's more to do with the author not elaborating much on their own flaws (sort of an inverse SUE Files in that respect). It's well worth a read, but everyone who hasn't gone through it, bring a sick bucket or two.

* Yeah, it's at least partially due to my autism, but I won't pretend I'm actually good at social situations, merely a decent enough person so that people tend to like me.

EDIT: I can't believe that I forgot that the Luke story includes 'skin colour: normal'. That is the stuff you literally cannot make up. I mean, I've used 'skin colour: ambiguously brown' in the past, but that was a joke that just stuck as it fit the character (literally came from the future, I decided he had at least three ethnicities in his 'genetic background' and then in the first session made the joke that you couldn't tell which ones based on his looks. Never bothered to establish which ethnicities were in there apart from some form of Middle Eastern or Asian).

Max_Killjoy
2017-05-06, 02:28 PM
Yeah, Posh Southern and 'Redneck Southern' are distinctly different as well.

"I do declare!" vs "hey, y'all!" :smallwink:

Max_Killjoy
2017-05-06, 02:35 PM
The 'Generic' American accent you hear is probably California, due to California, well, having Hollywood and a lot of TV studios.


Not really.

If that accent is common in CA, it's because of the melange of people moving there from other areas and the "unaccent" so common in broadcast media, which doesn't come from CA at all.

TrinculoLives
2017-05-06, 07:00 PM
Ugh.

She was right to leave him, and he was creepy as heck from that description, and I'm not going down "two sides to every story" lane.

But... I also feel some human pity for "Jake" too. Sounds like he had some serious stuff wrong in his brain that could have used some help, that he probably never got.

That story has an incredibly fabricated quality to it.

GPS
2017-05-07, 09:44 AM
That story has an incredibly fabricated quality to it.
I was just about to say that. I've never believed in the whole, "details make fabrication unlikely," thing. Some writers are good at what they do.

Knaight
2017-05-07, 11:33 AM
I was just about to say that. I've never believed in the whole, "details make fabrication unlikely," thing. Some writers are good at what they do.

Sure, but there's also the matter of how people like that Jake described absolutely exist. I've met some - none were in RPG contexts and thus for this thread, but my sketchiest friend's sketchiest friend turned into one of these, and ended up cutting off a good chunk of his friend group (not least my sketchiest friend) by doing so.

Eldan
2017-05-07, 02:29 PM
I've seen people removed from game stores for their hygiene, student rooms so bad that you had to back away from the smell when the door was opened and people who really did sleep on piles of game books, so I don't disbelieve those stories based on the more extreme details.

Honest Tiefling
2017-05-07, 03:14 PM
I've seen people removed from game stores for their hygiene, student rooms so bad that you had to back away from the smell when the door was opened and people who really did sleep on piles of game books, so I don't disbelieve those stories based on the more extreme details.

Yeah, I knew a guy who got banned from the FLGS for BO. I approved of this measure. Especially after the other one had the DUNGEONS OF DOOM, or a really smell basement.

As for the accent, I stand corrected. It was what I have heard, but maybe not. Through I would like to point out that Evil Dastardly Brits might be losing out to Scandinavian and Russian accents in recent years.

Liquor Box
2017-05-07, 11:54 PM
Reposting this:



Post stolen from RPGnet (https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?369229-Necro-Creepiest-Person-You-ve-Ever-Gamed-With-Part-Deux).

Does this strike anyone else as probably an invention?

Solaris
2017-05-08, 12:34 AM
I'm not sure many people see veganism as barbaric.

Well, what else would you call someone who fails to appreciate the culinary splendor that is the animal kingdom?


I've known a number of gay men that have a fascination with breasts. Not necessarily in a sexual way either, they just like them.

Well, yeah. Breasts are great.
Especially pan-fried in butter with rosemary, lemongrass, and dill.


Once had a new player join an existing game. Things went fine for a while. After a few sessions he invited only the female players to a game he would DM. According to them it was a game where the female players had to create female characters who were head over heels in love with the DMPC, with lots of mildly sexual situations. Think To-Love-Ru, or any other generic harem anime.

The session ended with him rage quitting because the players kept asking for more explicit sexual scenes like tentacle monsters, mind control, and gang rapes by orcs.

"When the gods wish to be cruel, they grant our wishes."


I have a few other creepy people.
None of them beat the earlier guy I personally feel.

There was a military guy who has this creepy stuff going on combine with an overprotective and threatening nature around his girlfriend(cause only he the military vet could have a girlfriend and the rest of us nerds were too pathetic too have one) and other things made it feel unsafe too be around him and that is just the dangerous and not the creepy stuff.

It's been my experience that there's a direct relationship between how creepy someone is and how quickly after meeting you/how frequently they put out that they were in the military.

The creeper may or may not have actually been in the military, as was the case with a decidedly unsettling fellow who was an acquaintance of my then-girlfriend-now-wife (hereafter referred to as TGFNW). His creepiness was rather tame by the standards of these threads, unfortunately for you readers, but looking back on it still makes my skin crawl and a part of me regret having grown out of the punch-first-ask-questions-later mentality. He had a crush on her, you see, something I may have been a bit more sympathetic towards if he hadn't been trying to move on in while I was dating her - and, y'know, he wasn't a creeper. I picked up on it, but she was rather (blissfully) oblivious as to this cretin's intentions.

He wasn't the only one, either; she's a genuinely nice and sweet person. I'm only half teasing when I call her the leading cause of diabeetus. Certain types tend to mistake that for an interest of an entirely different nature, or try and take advantage of it to try and manipulate her into a relationship with them (as her ex did). She's also perhaps a bit too subtle about when she doesn't want physical affections; most people pick up on demurring and avoidance as a "No", but not so much this guy.
This guy managed to, among other things, grope and even kiss her despite her protests while I was there. The fact that she was getting ready to model for a swimsuit shoot does not help matters.
... In my defense, I didn't want to spend that Sunday talking to cops and the next Monday explaining to my commander why I was roughing up civilians. I wasn't in the sort of unit that would have been cool with "He had it comin'" as justification.

I'd go into lurid detail, but this is understandably not a cherished memory and does bad things to my blood pressure. The scene ended with us leaving (the photographer cancelled, one of several cancellations that led to them breaking off the working relationship) and us finding excuses to avoid her being around him or his barely-medicated pedophile of a girlfriend until he finally realized my TGFNW was out of his reach.

On the plus side, though, he's not the worst of that little circle. Remember how I called his girlfriend a pedophile? The chick he was dating while creeping on my TGFNW got hemmed up for doing naughty things with minors. The guy only just barely avoided prosecution, from what I understand (which suggests certain things about why he was interested in my rather petite and slender TGFNW...). Their relationship was a football bat, too; textbook mutually emotionally abusive. I, not exactly someone in a position to be discriminating in his company, was uncomfortable being around them.

As for the military thing... well, I don't think he actually expected anyone he encountered to not only have read about the vehicles he was discussing, but driven them and ridden in them in unpleasantly exotic locales (fun fact: I was not legally licensed to drive in America when I went on my excursions into the sandbox). He certainly hadn't expected anyone listening to him brag to pay attention to minor details. I couldn't help it; he was talking about doing my day job, so I had something of a professional interest. Lacking an intimate knowledge of the vehicles was odd for someone claiming to be in the combat arms, although certain details being absent were understandably natural; I tend to gloss over a few details, myself, when I start in on my stories starting with "No s***, there I was..." as they slow down the narrative and are really only interesting to tacticool dweebs. Stuff stuck out, though, and got my ears perked up for all the wrong reasons. Few people tell stories where they were the cool guys or the heroes; I've only done it for a job interview to demonstrate my ability to keep calm under pressure and bring hostile and stressful situations to a peaceful resolution. It's simply not done, even in the general population, as there is something of a taboo against self-aggrandizement. Every one of his stories were of him being Big Billy Badass and saving the day... despite being of such a soggy constitution at a young enough age that, to give him the benefit of the doubt I sincerely doubted he had ever scored above 200 on an APFT. For those of you not in the know, getting anything below a 250 is shameful if you're combat arms - and in some units, 270 is considered the minimum.
When stuff like who he claimed to work for in-country kept changing (first it was SF, then it was Rangers, then it was Regular Army, then it was one contractor company, then it was another...), I rapidly sussed him out for a fraud. Not being one to dictate someone else's social circles, though, I privately informed my TGFNW of my suspicions and she waited until the bad touch incident before cutting off contact.

TL;DR: If you get the creeper vibe and the guy starts bragging about being ex-military with the slightest excuse, you won't regret running away screaming.

Mr Beer
2017-05-08, 01:07 AM
Every one of his stories were of him being Big Billy Badass and saving the day...

Fun fact, the only guy I ever met who made a huge deal about having served in the military and talked about gunning people down like it was a pretty cool deal, turned out to be a colossal fraud. His lies and bush league con artistry extended so far, that when he was eventually outed as a BS artist, it actually made the newspapers.

I'd like to claim I always knew from the start that he was a liar, but I didn't. I was 100% sure that he was a total tool for numerous reasons and probably either a narcissist (if lying) or a sociopath (if not lying), because who boasts about killing people?

Anonymouswizard
2017-05-08, 09:53 AM
He had a crush on her, you see, something I may have been a bit more sympathetic towards if he hadn't been trying to move on in while I was dating her - and, y'know, he wasn't a creeper.

Yeah, I mean I had a crush on a friend's TGFNW a few years back (I still find her amazingly attractive, but I've put a lot of effort into trying to not actually having a crush on her), but at least I didn't try anything. Well, apart from trying to work out of they were actually in a bloody relationship (kept that one very quiet). I'm sure if I'd actually tried anything I'd no longer be friends with either of them, but as it is they're great people and we've been able to stay friends even after I straight up admitted it.

Heck, I think admitting it might has helped. It's not like I was actually flirting with her or anything, and it just allowed everyone to freak with it.

CharonsHelper
2017-05-08, 10:07 AM
Fun fact, the only guy I ever met who made a huge deal about having served in the military and talked about gunning people down like it was a pretty cool deal, turned out to be a colossal fraud. His lies and bush league con artistry extended so far, that when he was eventually outed as a BS artist, it actually made the newspapers.

I'd like to claim I always knew from the start that he was a liar, but I didn't. I was 100% sure that he was a total tool for numerous reasons and probably either a narcissist (if lying) or a sociopath (if not lying), because who boasts about killing people?

Actually - I've read that such bogus claims are surprisingly common. Sometimes just people who want to seem like a badass, and sometimes people who are trying to cash in on their veteran status.

A surprisingly high number of homeless "veterans" are nothing of the sort, and it's just their panhandling shtick.

I heard of one case where a school paid for a "veteran" to speak at an event - only to later discover he'd bought the uniform as military surplus.

Max_Killjoy
2017-05-08, 10:16 AM
On the subject of gamers and hygiene... I've always struggled to understand why lack thereof is so common.

Back in college, registered campus groups could register to use classrooms in one of the buildings for activities on the weekends. There was one room that was used by the players of a certain wildly popular collectible-card-game on Friday nights... and was STILL rank on Sunday afternoons.

We'd walk in, and immediately open the windows, regardless of the weather outside. People would come in and make a face like they'd be slapped, or do a sort of "smell doubletake".

Inevitably, someone would say "Ugh... smells like magic."

CharonsHelper
2017-05-08, 10:24 AM
On the subject of gamers and hygiene... I've always struggled to understand why lack thereof is so common.

My theory? It's because there are several types of people that get involved in the nerdy gaming subculture.

One of these types is the kind that has trouble making friends etc., and sometimes the reason for that is a total lack of hygiene.

While there are many exceptions, I never feel more athletic, well groomed, and good looking than when I'm in line for the first day of a gaming convention. (Less so on the weekend.)

Mikemical
2017-05-08, 10:50 AM
I've got one for you. This is from an ERP, so considering that, you can imagine how creepy someone has to be in one of those to get kicked out.

It's 5 players flung into a world with monstergirls and such. Think Monstergirl Quest and add Final Fantasy Tactics. So far, so good. There are male monsters too, because hey, we don't discriminate. One guy says he wants to be a satyr rogue, DM gives him the clear. I'm thinking "cool, satyrs have a lot of bonuses and that flute of theirs".

The guy had only two modes. One was getting angry at everything anyone else did, the other was creepily hovering around the other people who were getting stuff done(setting up a camp to keep out goblins and imps, talking to an NPC to get some quest hook thrown at us, etc). He couldn't compromise even in the minimum and would bitch and moan whenever he felt anyone was outshining him.

One example: "I caught some rabbits in one of my traps.", "Cool, I'm making a stew with the veggies I grew in this planter I made. If you skin them I could add them and we could have rabbit stew.", "I didn't say I would share them with you guys. Catch your own game.", "Well, okay, then we're just gonna eat the vegetable stew I made. Enjoy eating alone.", "WHY ARE YOU PUSHING ME AWAY AND RUBBING IT IN MY FACE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO EAT THE VEGETABLES YOU GREW?!"

There was one point in game where he found a critical plot hook, and tried to bargain having another of the 4 PCs become his slave in exchange for the information. We told him to go blow himself, and he destroyed the note in a fire just so nobody else would know what it said but him. The DM eventually gave us a workaround and we dealt with the problem, and he bitched and moaned that we didn't invite him to the quest.

There was even a time we all took a short break from the game and set up a minecraft server for all six of us to play, and after our base was built, he immediately took off to build a lookout tower away from us, but with windows that would allow him a clear view of our base. He even cut out all the trees near his tower to prevent us from hiding under the trees if we were to go near his tower. He even set up a lava trap that would separate his tower from the ground if someone other than him tried to climb it.

Like, he wanted to be an edgy loner who didn't need anyone and got angry and surprised when nobody wanted to hang out with him because he was a huge jackass. He genuinely couldn't understand how his antisocial behaviour pushed everyone away from him and became convinced that we were all conspiring against him.

At one point, he had his character's wishes fulfilled(his own moving home/base, a couple NPCs head over heels for him, got buff like a minotaur, etc) and he kind of became dormant. Like the moment he achieved his in-game goal, he completely stopped interacting with anyone else, because he didn't want his perfection ruined, and we all believed he had left the game, not that it mattered much, since we had advanced the main plot ourselves.

But suddenly he came back angry that nobody would come visit him or talk to him, and we were very blunt with him: "Because you're an unapproachable a'hole who hates everyone who doesn't bend over backwards for your character, and the few times we've tried talking with you, you always get mad over the smallest thing and cannot hold an actual conversation without it needing it to be rewritten because you're socially retarded."

There was a time I tried to have my character converse with his over a couple beer mugs, mine made a joke about him being akin to Red Riding Hood's Big Bad Wolf, and his response was to smash a glass of ale into the barbarian's face. When the greatsword cut off his legs, he was angry saying that the DM wasn't being impartial and siding with me when he was the victim. The conversation had to be rewritten up to the pint before the glassing to allow him to keep his legs and prevent an all-out tavern massacre that'd get my character jailed, but he spent the rest of the conversation after the joke being surly and edgily looking outside the window, barely addressing my character and I ended up talking to myself until the end of the scene.

He left the game shortly after, but not before trying to delete everything and failing miserably because you can just load up a previous state in google docs.

Duncadile
2017-05-16, 01:28 AM
Well, since everyone is sharing around their deepest darkest tabletop secrets, let me go with the story how I met roleplaying and my first DM ever.

I was always leaning towards roleplaying even as a kid (forum based RP-s, etc, etc), and when I was around 14, I met a girl ( she was around 20 at the time?), who told me she would like to DM. So I got introduced to m.a.g.u.s, a system widely known and played in my country. The first session was kinda okay, until she introduced me to her first npc: A nice, stereotypically beautiful girl, who, naturally I had to play explicit scenes with. The npc just killed my character after the scene, and turned out to be some occult witch after. O-kay... that was the first red flag, but tell that to a 14 year old boy back then. After that, every npc she thrown at me turned out to be a bit different, but a witch I could only do kinky things with, and after that the npc would always kill or injure my character depending how the DM liked it. She obviously had known the system well, but refused to play anything but these little fantasies of hers. Surely I played along for a while since again, 14 year old boy at that time, and also the hope that she might even tell a normal story one day.

Luckily, soon after I met new gamers I could normally play with, and this experience did not do wrong to my roleplaying style, except that I developed an irrational hate against any witch-y npc-s and my love for witch hunter based characters :D

90sMusic
2017-05-16, 02:42 AM
I've had a lot of games with players I didn't particularly care for, but I can only really think of one "creepy" person off the top of my head.

This guy was just so bizarre... It was the DM of the campaign and he was a man with a fairly deep voice but he never used it. Instead he always tried his best to sound like a woman, which he couldn't really do well because his voice was too deep, and he insisted everyone call him a girl and use female pronouns and things like that. And I don't mean the character he was playing, I mean while he was just doing general DMing.

The creepiest part was he kept doing this horrible, cringey attempt at giggling like a schoolgirl. And again, i'm referring to while he was DMing, not when he was acting out a character.

He had all of these almost naked anime girl stickers all over everything he owned. A few times he spoke in his normal voice and things went along faster and smoother and it was fine, but then it was like he suddenly forgot he wasn't using that creepy voice anymore and he'd switch back. Then he'd also occasionally say his throat was too sore or tired from talking like that so he couldn't speak anymore and instead wrote everything all the characters were saying.

He also made almost all of his NPCs act like sexual deviants to the point of almost being sexual predators. All the NPCs acted like they were super attracted to the players and very aggressive about it.

On the third session, he tossed some of his stuff on the table and a drawing of some hardcore furry porn flew out from the stack of things and I had just hit my uncomfortable limit and I got the hell out of there and never went back. That guy was the biggest creeper/weirdo i'd ever met in my entire life.

I was going to leave after the very first session but I ultimately decided that maybe I was being too rash or hasty and gave him a second shot. Second session made me just as uncomfortable, I think the reason I didn't leave after that one was because the actual players had pretty good chemistry with each other and we were having fun as a team. But on the third session with all that furry porn he brought with him, I just couldn't handle it anymore.

Guizonde
2017-05-16, 08:08 AM
On the subject of gamers and hygiene... I've always struggled to understand why lack thereof is so common.


a friend of mine whom i've been gaming with for nigh on 7 years landed a seasonal job of picking up onion seeds. he needed backup and called me and two other friends in (both part of the dnd game we were all a part of). two days in the blistering sun doing agri-work will leave you smelling pretty ripe and sunburnt. on sunday evening after picking up a hectare's worth of onion seeds in two days, we had to play in my homebrew game. first thing my friend and i did was drink a well-earned cup of tea. second was hit the showers. we scrubbed out all traces of sweat, dirt and onion, and i lent him clothes for the game. it was obvious to us to do that as much for us as the other players (and yet our hands still smelled of onions despite all the washing up).

one of the others of the onion-party we later learned did not wash for 4 days after coming back home. moral of the story? some people are slobs with no nose for personnal hygiene.