Persistent Metamagic question

[alex1g]

Can you have multiple persistent spells at one time. I got a player who has 4 different persisted spells. I thought you could only have 1 persistent spell on yourself at a time.

[Technetium43]

Yes, you can. You might be confusing it with Contingent spells.

[ATHATH]

Yes, you can. You might be confusing it with Contingent spells.
This guy's right.

Is this player a Cleric, by any chance?

[Uncle Pine]

Yes, you can have as many persisted spell as you can cast. However, having multiple persisted spells in your daily routine generally requires decent investment. Note that persisted spell can be dispelled (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/dispelMagic.htm) as usual.


Yes, you can. You might be confusing it with Contingent spells.
Note that this applies only to spells made contingent through the Contingency (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/contingency.htm) spell or effects based on it. Other sources of contingent spell may have different limits. For example, Craft Contingent Spell (Complete Arcane) allows a number of contingent spells up to your HD.

[CasualViking]

Can you have multiple persistent spells at one time. I got a player who has 4 different persisted spells. I thought you could only have 1 persistent spell on yourself at a time.

Banning metamagic cost reduction in general, and Divine Metamagic in particular, is a common and sensible house rule.

[Uncle Pine]

Banning metamagic cost reduction in general, and Divine Metamagic in particular, is a common and sensible house rule.
Even then, it would still be possible to have as many 0th level spells persisted on a given character as she has 6th level slot, 1st level spells persisted as she has 7th level slots, 2nd level spells persisted as she has 8th level slots and 3rd level spells persisted as she has 9th level slots. Such a number is higher than 1.

[KillianHawkeye]

Even then, it would still be possible to have as many 0th level spells persisted on a given character as she has 6th level slot, 1st level spells persisted as she has 7th level slots, 2nd level spells persisted as she has 8th level slots and 3rd level spells persisted as she has 9th level slots. Such a number is higher than 1.

True, but if your Cleric is using all their high-level spell slots to Persist low-level spells, they're not exactly living up to their full potential. :smallamused:

[ATHATH]

Do keep in mind that the Contingency spell, the Persistent spell metamagic feat, and the Permanency spell are all different things with their own mechanics.

[sleepyphoenixx]

Banning metamagic cost reduction in general, and Divine Metamagic in particular, is a common and sensible house rule.

Most of that is actually fine. Some builds (primary blasters) need metamagic cost reduction to function, and with most metamagic feats it's strong to varying degrees but not overpowered.
If your casters running around with persisted spells annoys you what you should be banning is Persistent Spell, not metamagic cost reducers.

[flappeercraft]

If Persistent spell is a recurring problem by unbalancing encounters make the next Boss villain prepare the spell Magical Backlash from DotU. It deals 2 points of damage per spell level affecting the target so if he has 3 1st level spells persisted and 2 6th levels then (12+3)x2 it deals 30 damage. It has a fort save for half but it is still basically the bane of persistomancers.

[sleepyphoenixx]

If Persistent spell is a recurring problem by unbalancing encounters make the next Boss villain prepare the spell Magical Backlash from DotU. It deals 2 points of damage per spell level affecting the target so if he has 3 1st level spells persisted and 2 6th levels then (12+3)x2 it deals 30 damage. It has a fort save for half but it is still basically the bane of persistomancers.

That's less damage than a basic Fireball, and it's single target.

If buffs (persisted or otherwise) are a problem you're better off dispelling them. Unless there's a large difference between CL a targeted Dispel will always at least strip something.
A chained Dispel (or Chain Dispel at high level) even more so, while also suppressing magic items.

Unless we're talking about people running around with 10+ high level spells all Magical Backlash is the bane of is efficient action and spell slot usage.

[John Longarrow]

Warlock with voracious dispelling is the bane to these people. Dispel magic at will AND it causes damage when it works. In all not the best incantation but for some NPCs its gold.

[Mordaedil]

True, but if your Cleric is using all their high-level spell slots to Persist low-level spells, they're not exactly living up to their full potential. :smallamused:

Cleric and druid spells above 7th level are actually tacked on. 2nd edition casters only went up to 7th level unless you are playing a mage (or illusionist) and that's why those spells are mostly rehashed lower level variants and kinda lackluster.