Half-Ogre without the size-increased-attributes, still worth it?

[SangoProduction]

OK, ignoring Half-Ogre's explicit statement to add +8 strength/+4 Con/etc, from advancing in size (which makes it exceedingly powerful), it has a modest +2 improvement to your natural armor, a +4 strength for -2 to 2 mental stats that a strength user probably couldn't care about, and becomes large size with +10 speed.

That seems all-in-all fairly modest, but potentially acceptable, what with becoming large and all. Is it worth it though? What if the bonuses from advancing in size were halved?

[emeraldstreak]

OK, ignoring Half-Ogre's explicit statement to add +8 strength/+4 Con/etc, from advancing in size (which makes it exceedingly powerful), it has a modest +2 improvement to your natural armor, a +4 strength for -2 to 2 mental stats that a strength user probably couldn't care about, and becomes large size with +10 speed.

That seems all-in-all fairly modest, but potentially acceptable, what with becoming large and all. Is it worth it though? What if the bonuses from advancing in size were halved?

A +1 template that makes a humanoid race large (plus some added bonuses) while retaining said humanoid race has value for certain builds.

[Pugwampy]

Is this Half Ogre from PF Tome of secrets ?

I find him not too shabby and a great idea foundation for a butt kicker . My only problem is there is nothing that makes you feel like you are playing an ogre . Its just AB points being tweaked .

A half orc has access to lots and lots of racial feats and has distinct racial features .

[Necroticplague]

Is this Half Ogre from PF Tome of secrets ?

I find him not too shabby and a great idea foundation for a butt kicker . My only problem is there is nothing that makes you feel like you are playing an ogre . Its just AB points being tweaked .

A half orc has access to lots and lots of racial feats and has distinct racial features .
No, it's a template from Dragon Magazine.

[RedWarlock]

In a compare/contrast to the Savage Species/Races of Destiny Half-Ogre, the size increase with stat boosts for size is much stronger for +1. (Too much, IMO.)

Orc + Half-Ogre is comparable to SS HOgre, but add on size stat boosts and it goes thru the roof.

[The Viscount]

Races of Destiny updated it to LA +2. Its stats are +6 Str, -2 Dex, +2 Con, -2 Int, -2 Cha. Because it's a race there's no adjustment for size, and you definitely pay for what you get. That being said, I'm a big fan of pairing it with the Primordial Giant template, which is LA +0 and gives at will invisibility (or invisibility purge or levitate), and with those stat adjustment rolled in you're at +2 Str, -2 Dex, +2 Int, +2 Cha, which is very workable.

[Jopustopin]

Races of Ansalon has a half ogre that's medium.

[Rebel7284]

Just to be clear, you mean without the extra attributes you get for changing in size, but you still DO become large?

In which case, if you are going for a melee focused build, it's totally worth it. Large size is amazing for melee.
- Increased reach is always very helpful.
- Bonuses to trip/grapple/etc are great and central to some builds.
- Some free damage for using a bigger weapon doesn't hurt, especially if you stack size increases further.
- Some feats and classes are only open to large characters, Knockback feat is great, and a Warhulk can be made very deadly.

So yeah, just the change in size is worth the +1 LA for the right build.

[SangoProduction]

Just to be clear, you mean without the extra attributes you get for changing in size, but you still DO become large?

In which case, if you are going for a melee focused build, it's totally worth it. Large size is amazing for melee.
- Increased reach is always very helpful.
- Bonuses to trip/grapple/etc are great and central to some builds.
- Some free damage for using a bigger weapon doesn't hurt, especially if you stack size increases further.
- Some feats and classes are only open to large characters, Knockback feat is great, and a Warhulk can be made very deadly.

So yeah, just the change in size is worth the +1 LA for the right build.

Cool. OK. Thanks.