OOTS #333 - The Discussion Thread

[The Giant]

New comic is up.

[The_Logic_Ninja]

Skör!

[Kish]

Well, that answers why Roy and Durkon used both pronouns for the Oracle before.

And Vaarsuvius, of course, doesn't see what difference it makes. Sometimes I like Vaarsuvius a lot.

[Ing]

sniffle...so sweet

[Kaerou]

Awwwww....

i cant think of anything else to say.. this comic was touching ;_;

[RyanL330]

I lol'ed!! Goota luv da fuzzy guy!

[Hoseki]

Yay, all of them are WRONG!

"You are a very strange little bearded man, Durkon."
*snort*

^^ Loved it.

[Moebius]

'An' sure as Thor don't own shaving cream'....*snerk*

And the last panel is wonderful on so many levels. Aye, he's a very strange little bearded man indeed.

[Flabbicus]

I liked them pointing out the thought that most oracles are female.

"Sure as Thor don't own shavin' cream..."

^ Hey! *Grumble*Simu-post*Simu-post*

[Asoon]

I think the oracle was a bearded lady with blue hair and a second nose in her armpit.


oh, and in stead of the obligatory "Woot, First page!!111" post, i'll note that we are now half way to the dreaded comic number 666.... (feel the dread)

[Coldwin]

LOL It doesnt take much to make a dorf happy.

Funniest comic ever!

The Oracle was clearly a tri horned fleet helmet Commander from Doom (Im an 80s geak)

First post
First page

[DaMullet]

1st page'd!

Great comic.

[Kish]

I'd like to propose the radical idea that the Oracle was in fact a kobold.

[The Vorpal Tribble]

*guffaws*

"Aye, lad, aye."

This comic was a winner.

[Coldwin]

I'd like to propose the radical idea that the Oracle was in fact a kobold.


That's crazy talk, if it was a kobold Belkar would have wanted to kill it ;)

[endoperez]

Greatness!

;D ;D ;D

[TreesOfDeath]

dammit it didn't think it would be that easy.
Oh well,
SECOND PAGE

[Kish]

That's crazy talk, if it was a kobold Belkar would have wanted to kill it ;)
Must I point out that for Belkar not to have wanted to kill the Oracle, the Oracle would have to have been undead? :P

[Flabbicus]

But then Durkon would have killed it! :P ;D

[Coldwin]

Must I point out that for Belkar not to have wanted to kill the Oracle, the Oracle would have to have been undead? :P

I'm not sure the small detail of a preexisting death would stop him.

[The_Logic_Ninja]

dammit it didn't think it would be that easy.
Oh well,
SECOND PAGE

I... uh... what is this obsession with first post/page stuff? Whaddaheck?

[blackfox]

Hehe... I really don't understand dwarves, do I?

[Dark_Warrior]

Nice one
Poor Durkon...

[Flyerfye]

HAHA First Pa... What? Second... AAAARRGGHH! Well second page is now the best... Cause its cooler and stuff... and I LOVE YOU ELAN, even though Im a gay and its strictly platonic.

[Sorcha_Ravenlock]

awww, that was sweet. Just very sweet :)

[The_Logic_Ninja]

I LOVE YOU ELAN, even though Im a gay and its strictly platonic.

Irony... senses... TINGLING!

[NEO|Phyte]

I... uh... what is this obsession with first post/page stuff? Whaddaheck?
...didn't you know that getting on the first page makes your e-penis bigger?

[The_Logic_Ninja]

But my penis is already so large, I use it to shatter the earth's crust and crush all those who oppose me.

[Ing]

HAHA First Pa... What? Second... AAAARRGGHH! Well second page is now the best... Cause its cooler and stuff... and I LOVE YOU ELAN, even though Im a gay and its strictly platonic.


hey boys and girls, can you spot the fruedian slip in the above post?

[SumGuy]

Congradulations Rich,

I think this is the absolute best comic. Ever. Durkon's reaction to his answer shows an amazing amount of his character to us. Thanks.

[Lord_Oni]

As always absolutely amazing, WOOT 3rd page

[Pocal]

Durkon's reaction was great. Death doesnt matter to him, just the honor of being buried with his family.


Great comic Rich.

[Thomar_of_Uointer]

"As sure as Thor doesn't own shaving cream..."

Heh. Fat chance. He may not use it, but still...

This doesn't change my hypothesis that Durkon's going to return to the dwarven lands as a zombie in Xylon's thrall.

[cleric_of_BANJO]

heh.. "sure as thor dont own shaving cream" *snort* I bet he hasnt seen his own chin for ages!

the oracle is ouvbiously a duck with the face of a wolf... and 5 horns.

EDIT: w00t, 3rd page!

[Alsadius]

Rich, you're awesome.

Third page, you're slightly less awesome, but still pretty good.

Thomar, you scare me, but that'd still be pretty cool if it was done right.

Belkar, you sadden me - why won't you realize that there had to be some reason you wanted to kill the Oracle as much as you wanted to kill any of the others?

[charik]

This comic be a good 'un, as sure as Thor don't own shavin' cream! Hmm, only Elan would be more likely than Durkon to see the silver lining in that prophecy.

[Dawnstrider_Moogle]

Congradulations Rich,

I think this is the absolute best comic. Ever. Durkon's reaction to his answer shows an amazing amount of his character to us. Thanks.

Dunno about "absolute best" but otherwise I agree!

[Varian7]

I really enjoyed this comic and what it showed us about Durkon's character.

[pendejochy]

Heh, I liked how Elan, Belkar, and V-(wo)man thought the Oracle was a member of their own race. Plus, V not seeing why it mattered.

I suppose we'll be getting char reactions to their fates over the next few comics. Such as Haly talking to her inner selves again, debating what their foretold fate ment.

[Sundog]

Now that was just beautiful.

[Player_of_Games]

It's nice to see Durkon in a role besides straight-man for the first time in a while. A nice comic for character development, although not as funny as some of the earlier ones.

[martyboy74]

The members of those team discussing the prophecies with their inner demons would be interesting, although would Elan's be angels?

[xyzchyx]

Aw, crap... my hypothesis about Haley was way off base.

Oh well...

What're the chances that Elan brings it up again?

I'm thinking somewhere in the sub 1% range.....

[Dugray]

Well at least he's happy..

[EmeraldFire]

I gotta say, this was a really touching strip.

"an' sure as Thor don't own shaving cream" :)

[Stick_Assassin]

You are a very strange little bearded man, Durkon

I laughed so hard my sides split ... I wonder if my insurance covers humor related injury.

*fourth page DOH*

[warmachine]

If I were Roy, I'd be concerned about Durkon. Durkon is laughing that he's
been spared a cruel fate by by joining friends and family in death, rather than in life? Also that he'll never achieve anything in the mission to teach
about humans he believes he's assigned to.

To me, it looks like he's in denial.

[Flyerfye]

Kay, so on page two, clearin it up... not gay... thought I put the 'not' there... and no, no freudian slip... Although all of you have to admit, seeing elan 'on his adventure' or even with 'super hiding skills' does turn some things on

[Leo_Forestclaw]

Hehe... I really don't understand dwarves, do I?

None of us really do... none of us really do.
;-)

[ref]

hey, low-single-digit page! (yeah, it's hard to get better). Anyway, on topic...

Well, dwarf is about duty... It's good he took it that well...

V's comment on how she doesn't see the difference is clever... made me laugh.

The oracle looks like Rich, I'd say... :P

[phoenixineohp]

Such a good one. I love V's comment on the gender. And I am so glad Durkon is happy. Burried with honor... not bad.
The pose in the last panal is a little odd to me though. But still cute. :)

[Ing]

Kay, so on page two, clearin it up... not gay... thought I put the 'not' there... and no, no freudian slip... Although all of you have to admit, seeing elan 'on his adventure' or even with 'super hiding skills' does turn some things on


Keep telling yourself that....You can't hide from who you are inside ;)

[Winged One]

"Sure as Thor don't own shaving cream" ;D
Durkon character insight :)

Wonderful comic.

Oh, and W00T, I don't care which page I get on.

[HypnoticMonk]

When the drawings on a page change from mere joke/plot devices to characters that can evoke a real emotional response beyond just laughter, then the creator is doing something right.

There is something amazingly right about this whole series.

Edit: Ok I was so stunned at how badly the gate question was handled that I forgot they were going to head back to Azure City to "mooch a Teleport" to get to the right gate. Duh on me...

[Flak_Razorwill]

So, if he returns...will it matter if he's alive or dead?

Maybe he'll destroy the place all zombified and such.

[TheLamentation]

This is quite possibly the best character development I've seen in OotS in a while, which is saying something.

Awesome job, Rich.

[Felinoid]

If I were Roy, I'd be concerned about Durkon. Durkon is laughing that he's been spared a cruel fate by by joining friends and family in death, rather than in life? Also that he'll never achieve anything in the mission to teach
about humans he believes he's assigned to.

To me, it looks like he's in denial.

Eh. I get the feeling that he had completely given up on being allowed to return home. And remember that his question was "finally", so that says absolutely nothing about when he next gets to go home. So he may very well visit home on more than a few occasions before his final return. (Unfortunately, we know that's a bad thing. :-/ )

[infiniteviking]

Aaaawwwwwwwww. Score one for multiculturalism, one for V's oracle ("I fail to see what difference it makes"? ;D ;D ;D), one for Elan's mommy, and a couple more for Roy's big heart. He acts all tough, but he really cares about his team.

Meant to post about the previous comic -- even though Haley can't join in the conversation, I notice she's leading the party. This makes the little 'Haley Rules!' imp in my head very happy indeed.

And they're off to Azure City, where the plot will advance, and all manner of things will go down. Great work, Giant!

The Oracle, of course, was a chicken. Awk!

[manic]

I gotta say, this was a really touching strip.

"an' sure as Thor don't own shaving cream" :)


Indeed it was. On a nitpicking, nerdy point, however, I find myself wondering why the flames of chaos are perfectly symmetrical.

[RDarken]

And they're off to Azure City, where the plot will advance, and all manner of things will go down. Great work, Giant!

Hahaha I was just about to make a post that said "No one has even mentioned that they'll be back to Azure City" and you had sneak that one in there at the LAST SECOND! Oh well. So, will they be around for Xykon or not? All signs point to maybe!

[Martok]

Great strip Rich. The last panel made chuckle and tear up at the same time--it's been years since a comic strip did that to me!

[JessmanCA]

I loved how V said "I fail to see what difference it makes" when they were discussing gender. Subtle, very subtle :D

[Kamakazee_Gnome]

Sounds like just about every cleric I've ever played -- better an honorable death than a foolish life, and such. But that's mostly my newly-redeemed cleric of Thor (Yes, another cleric of Thor) talking.

[roguemomof7]

This strip shows why I keep coming back to OOTS when all other webcomics I read get forgotten at once. Truly great writing, characters, and story every time. Center-field fence again, Rich!

[Haggis_McCrablice]

"Because it doesn't mean 'after something funny' ".

Y'know, it does sort of look like it should have something to do with humor, doesn't it? But then, "passed on" always makes me think of the dead farting. Maybe that's how souls escape: when the muscles relax, the body gives up the ghost through the back door...along with something a bit more--ahem--solid.... :-[

I guess to dwarves one's remains being interred in the family mausoleum is a high honor. It's like our Arlington, or Forest Lawn. Beats being incinerated by some unspeakable magic or dissolving in some beast's guts, I wot....

[Cardel]

Another thing that makes me love this comic so much is the incredible amount of character development it offers us. Barely any other webcomics do that

Now, as for Thor's shaving cream, has anyone ever known Thor to be clean-shaven without his magestic beard? He might have shaving cream as Durkon says, but the question is, does he ever use the stuff? So many questions... so little time in unreality...

[Illsbane]

Ah, Durkon ... ^^ Dwarven culture is not my own, obviously, and I'd rather see him return home alive and happy so he could see his mum and grandad at least one more time, naturally ... But I'm glad he's so happy.

[sugarmouse121]

Durkon's gone a little bit hyper...

Great comic, yet again!

(Yay, now I'm a Dwarf in the Playground!)

[Ronald_saveloy]

Great Comic! Good Jokes and a great one-liner!

"An' shure that Thor don't own shaving cream..."

[Lauren]

Roy/Durkon is my new OTP.

[GeeVee]

I feel dirty looking at that last panel. Does that make me a complete and utter pervert? :P

[Sir_Norbert]

Y'know, it does sort of look like it should have something to do with humor
I noticed in the #331 discussion thread that more people spelled it "posthumorously" than correctly.

[gallow]

First reactions:
"Aww aww aww!"

I love Durkon.
And Vaarsuvius.

[Yellow]

I feel dirty looking at that last panel. Does that make me a complete and utter pervert? :P
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Warubou/th_ootsporn.png

I don't see it. There is absolutely nothing unusual about this panel. I think you're just looking for things that aren't there.

You pervert.

[Aiani]

I actually said awww outloud when I read this strip. Man I am such a girl. That was really sweet though and I am glad that Durkon is happy just cause he's cool and it seems like he deserves to be happy.

[oowatie]

Fantastic comic, Mr. Giant- an amazing bit of character development, there.

And I'm so happy for Durkon! What a great little bearded man, hehe.

[Ulicus]

I feel dirty looking at that last panel. Does that make me a complete and utter pervert? :P

I'm so glad I wasn't the only one who thought along those lines...

It was strangely erotic. :P

It was nice to see Durkon crying with happiness though - and there was a reference to Elan's "hot momma" too.

[Kanashimi]

wow.. awesome. just awesome. I actually got chills from that one. The potency with which Durkon wants to go home to be honourably buried with his ancestors is touching. Really a wonderful insight into that "very strange bearded man"

[Tawkis]

Now, as for Thor's shaving cream, has anyone ever known Thor to be clean-shaven without his magestic beard? He might have shaving cream as Durkon says, but the question is, does he ever use the stuff? So many questions... so little time in unreality...

Marvel comics Thor.....
http://www.superherodb.com/hero/Thor
Really this doesn't count AT ALL but I like to be nitpicky when my roomates Girlfriend wakes me up at 9 am with a how are you phone call...

[RDarken]

Marvel comics Thor.....
http://www.superherodb.com/hero/Thor
Really this doesn't count AT ALL but I like to be nitpicky when my roomates Girlfriend wakes me up at 9 am with a how are you phone call...





I'm kind of confused. Durkon says "as sure as Thor don't own shaving cream..."

[silverleaf]

one of the most touching strips i can remember.. strange little bearded guy.. :)

[Cabolch]

/I'm kind of confused. Durkon says "as sure as Thor don't own shaving cream..."/

You might want to notice that our little dwarf allies are not the masters of grammar... ::)

[Eldritch Knight]

Yet another brilliant comic. Look forward to the next one.

[Cardel]

/I'm kind of confused. Durkon says "as sure as Thor don't own shaving cream..."/

You might want to notice that our little dwarf allies are not the masters of grammar... ::)

Hmm... Well that makes more sence... See Thor as far as anyone knows has never had a clean-shaven face, always a beard, so therefore he wouldnt need shaving cream.... ? uhh... come back to me on that one...

[efi]

Awwww

Sweet one!

:D ;)

[JONJONAUG]

I'm thinking Durkon might have gone a little crazy there...

[humanpylon]

But then, "passed on" always makes me think of the dead farting. Maybe that's how souls escape: when the muscles relax, the body gives up the ghost through the back door...along with something a bit more--ahem--solid.... :-[


Ew. Now that is an image I could have happily gone the rest of my life without visualising. Thanks so much. :P

[Steward]

Hmm... Well that makes more sence... See Thor as far as anyone knows has never had a clean-shaven face, always a beard, so therefore he wouldnt need shaving cream.... ? uhh... come back to me on that one...

I'll try to explain it.

Durkon believes that the assertions, "He will be buried with his ancestor," and "Thor does not own shaving cream," are both 100% true.

[Lightman]

New comic is up.
Awesome comic. "What difference does it make?" Hilarious!

[Monzz]

Awesome comic. I love Durkon even more now. :)

[smellie_hippie]

Most things have already been ponted out, so I'll just add my $.02 and say "Great Comic".

I hope Durkon is anxious to shuffle off the mortal coil...

smellie_hippie

[EmeraldFire]

Indeed it was. On a nitpicking, nerdy point, however, I find myself wondering why the flames of chaos are perfectly symmetrical.

It's a mysterious irony that I fear we may never discover...

well, i know for a fact that they eyes are not symmetrical, i couldnt get them perfectly lined up when i made them.

[Wiggle]

Kudos where it's due Rich. You've been flamed in the last few weeks by DnD fanboys who've been grumbling at the lack of gaming related humour and alleged slow plot speed .

Today, you've produced a strip that is remarkably touching and human (dare I say demi-human!), which I thought would be torched by the miserable masses. A top notch effort to portray such pathos with something as apparently simple as a comic. We care for these guys, and are with them every step. Am very pleasantly surprised that it has elicited the strongest positive response on these boards for weeks. This strip is proof of why I'm an OOTSer regardless of perceived lack of humour/speed/whatever. Rich is an artist and a storyteller - the sum is worth more than all its parts.

A big 4 thumbs up (am borrowing my girlfriend's thumbs without her permission) 8)

[5tephen]

Aw!

Hugs for Durkon!

(Literary commentary to follow- )

And might I say that this is evidence, yet again, that The Giant knows what he is doing, as a writer? Really really knows what he is doing.

There were a lot of posts two comics ago feeling sorry for the strange furry little man. But remember, folks- writers always hurt the characters they love the most, the most. See, it's from the pain that the true growth comes, and the writers want to see their characters become all they can.

Sometimes they hurt them a LOT.

But then, of course, writers also always have characters do the thing you least expect. But when it happens, it makes perfect sense, for that character.

Hats off, Rich. Really nice work.

[grimdirge]

sniff. a very touching strip.

[Thanatos]

I... uh... what is this obsession with first post/page stuff? Whaddaheck?

Immaturity.

[Krytha]

Most short furry men ARE bizarre...

[saraswati]

Great comic.

I like how this comic turns all our assumptions around. We spent so much of the bandwidth of the #332 discussion saying how horrible it was for Durkon and how sorry we felt for him. Turns out we were very wrong.

Also...funny jokes.

[Saithis Bladewing]

Awwwwww. ^^;

[theswarm]

Awwwww, so sweet :)
Great job on finaly getting a touching comic

[Miraqariftsky]

Great comic...former frames give an insight into the characters' psyches and..... last frame---kinda creepy...

[Liliedhe]

Very touching. I liked it a lot.

And once again - a self fullfilling prophecy. Wondered if the Oracle would make one of those. Because, if it hadn't foretold that Durkon would return home when he is dead, Roy wouldn't have understood how important this was to Durkon - and he probably wouldn't have felt obliged to bring Durkon's Body home after his death. Hope I didn't confuse anyone by now... :)

[carais]

And once againHope I didn't confuse anyone by now... :)

Nope, signal is perfectly clear here. Interesting thought, by the way, and it even makes sense *g*. Now that was a nice one, I like what it shows us about the 'standard party cleric'.

[GKBeetle]

I'm so happy for Durkon! He got exactly what answer he wanted to from the Oracle. It's just too bad that Roy got the exact answer he wanted as well.

[Elcaz]

Brilliant. Absolutely, positively brilliant.

God dammit you're making care about stick figures, Giant! STICK FIGURES!

[KaosDevice]

Good'un, thanks!

[Korta]

Aww, that was the best! I'm so happy for Durkon! Thank you Giant!!!!

Hugs all around!
:D

[Nowingsforbalrog]

You are all wrong, the oracle is the dreaded ducksnake. :o

[UtherSRG]

You are all wrong, the oracle is the dreaded ducksnake. :o
No, he was a Githzerai and I don't believe he gave any correct information!

[sakusha]

Am I the only one who thought of Guild Wars II - Dark Legacy (I think?) when V mentioned an "elf with a blindfold"?

Edit: and while I loved the strip for many of the reasons already mentioned, I think the comments about the last frame are completely bogus.

[Leatherman]

For starters, Again great comic Giant. Loved the V comment about gender not being significant. Wonder what fuel that will add to the V gender debate.

To all those that think the last panel is something, get a life. If you are seeing something there, then that says something about yourself. If durkon was kneeling, then I might start thinking the Giant was taking us somewhere very weird. Durkon and Roy are good freinds and have been through lots together. Nothing wrong with a hug durung an emotional moment.

For all those "W00t I'm on page whatever" posts. Please get a life. We know what page you are on, its highlighted at the top AND the botton of the page.

/rant

[Kesnit]

Very touching. I liked it a lot.

And once again - a self fullfilling prophecy. Wondered if the Oracle would make one of those. Because, if it hadn't foretold that Durkon would return home when he is dead, Roy wouldn't have understood how important this was to Durkon - and he probably wouldn't have felt obliged to bring Durkon's Body home after his death. Hope I didn't confuse anyone by now... :)

I understand what you are saying, and you may have a point.

[Jevanyn]

"You are a very strange little bearded man, Durkon."
*snort*


What, no *ding!* for role-playing XP for Durkon? Or is that going to be awarded posthumously, too?

[xyzchyx]

What, no *ding!* for role-playing XP for Durkon? Or is that going to be awarded posthumously, too?You don't get XP posthumously in 3rd ed D&D, you lose XP.

[lunar]

[Spoiler having to do with OtOPCs]

Durkon's corpse returning to his homeland will cause much destruction because he will be in the gut of a monster. This carnivorous tree will eventually be slain by the combined effort of the dwarves. At which point Durkon will be burried with his ancestors.

Well that's what I think, based on all the foreshadowing.

[Evik]

Yea! happy momment for Durkon!
He may even face the trees now that he knows he will be sent home :)

[StarWidget]

Most short furry men ARE bizarre...


I know, I'm dating one. ;) And the comic was awesome - it's great to see Durkon get singled out every once in a while, he's such a good character. Brings the group together a lot of the time, I think.

[RecklessFable]

I remember... a ship...

[saraswati]

Am I the only one who thought of Guild Wars II - Dark Legacy (I think?) when V mentioned an "elf with a blindfold"?

.

Hmmm, I assumed that was a reference to Tiresias, from the myth/play Oedipus Rex. But the Tiresias character has spawned a billion knock-offs over the past 2400 years, so it also could be a reference to any one of those.

[The Glitter Ninja]

To all those that think the last panel is something, get a life. If you are seeing something there, then that says something about yourself. [ ... ]

For all those "W00t I'm on page whatever" posts. Please get a life. We know what page you are on, its highlighted at the top AND the botton of the page.

/rant

There's not many "all those" comments you mention. Just a few, really. We're on teh intarnetz, we're lucky we haven't been inundated with comments like that. Maybe they were joking, anyway.

And the "first page" thing is a long standing tradition around here. It's a bit impolite to ask people to change their posting habits to suit you, and to insult people with the "get a life" stuff. JM2C.

[Steward]

And the "first page" thing is a long standing tradition around here. It's a bit impolite to ask people to change their posting habits to suit you, and to insult people with the "get a life" stuff. JM2C.

I agree. The first page stuff is stupid. Very stupid, and tiresome, especially when we all know that there's nothing inherently special about being the fourth person to post on the third page. However, it's some kind of religion around here and nothing short of a declaration from the Giant himself would stop it.



Hmmm, I assumed that was a reference to Tiresias, from the myth/play Oedipus Rex. But the Tiresias character has spawned a billion knock-offs over the past 2400 years, so it also could be a reference to any one of those.

Tiresias was blind, but I don't think that he wore a blindfold.


And might I say that this is evidence, yet again, that The Giant knows what he is doing, as a writer? Really really knows what he is doing.

It is, isn't it?

[cleric_of_BANJO]

well, I do agree that the first page stuff is a little dumb, but the people in the forum have probably been doing that since the comic first started.

As for the "get a life" part, leatherman, I think you shouldnt be talking, because if you do have more of a life than everyone in the forum, then you wouldn't even be posting here, and you wouldn't write /rant at the end of your rant. God, you should seriously get a life! ;)

[Felinoid]

/me starts handing out lives to everybody posting on the subject
"Remember, folks, if you don't feed them, they'll starve!" :D

[Joseph_Awesome]

This comic was so AWESOME that I made a mess in my pants!!

I give it the official AWESOME label.

ps - no one else can use the AWESOME label, or you'll regret it but you can use 'awesome' or even 'Awesome' I don't like to be a **** but it's a copyright thing i have to abide by

[The Glyphstone]

Wow...that's really AWESOME that you can copyright ordinary words like AWESOME....in fact, it's so AWESOME that I'm going to go see what else besides AWESOME isn't copyrighted....maybe THE or IT is available.... :D ;D :)

[Sir_Norbert]

What, no *ding!* for role-playing XP for Durkon? Or is that going to be awarded posthumously, too?
He just didn't get enough to go up a level.

From cleric_of_BANJO (haven't worked out how to get the author's name to appear in multiple quotes, sorry):


As for the "get a life" part, leatherman, I think you shouldnt be talking, because if you do have more of a life than everyone in the forum, then you wouldn't even be posting here
Excuse me. There is no contradiction between loving OOTS and having a life. It's people who think there is such a contradiction, and so criticise others for giving a little time of their day to nourishment of the soul, who really need to think about their life.

[Blaznak]

Cheers!

This was a fun strip. I liked the way the magic adjusted each person's memory...

Its neat to read these strips having just read the NEW book. Seeing all those strips at once has a different gestalt to it. Very nifty work!

Later!

[Cathrindir]

Wow, a (kind of) happy ending for Durkon. An idea: What if he gets ressurected while at the Dwarven Homelands?

[larnman2]

Yeah, the fact that so many people are scripted to die does not bode well

[belboz]

Yeah, the fact that so many people are scripted to die does not bode well

Well, we don't really know that, say, Belkar's going to die. The oracle wasn't really speaking ex cathedra when he/she said that, so it might have been more a kobold/halfling thing (or a person-forced-to-spend-time-with-Belkar/Belkar thing) than an oracular thing.

Well, I suppose we do more or less know that Belkar's going to die, unless Rick decides to (shudder) give him divine rank. But we don't know he's going to die during the story arc.

For that matter, we don't even know that Durkon's going to die during the story arc; the Oracle might have been talking about 50 years in the future.

[larnman2]

but we know that vaarsuvius, miko, or miko's horse will die as well as several death knolls

[Kish]

but we know that vaarsuvius, miko, or miko's horse will die as well as several death knolls
Two names appear to have been dropped from your candidates' list.

[Bilbo27]

it;s good to make a dwarf happy every now and then. Keeps morale up.

[Joseph_Awesome]

Wow...that's really AWESOME that you can copyright ordinary words like AWESOME....in fact, it's so AWESOME that I'm going to go see what else besides AWESOME isn't copyrighted....maybe THE or IT is available.... :D ;D :)

listen fool, such things happen all the time for example COKE is an ordinary word but it is owned by someone. however if you ask nicely you can receive written permission from yours truly to use AWESOME in certain situations, and as I have already stated (though not to YOUR knowledge) that my copyright of AWESOME is in fact, AWESOME, then such a use can be acceptable

[Elcaz]

Contrary to some, I have absolutely no problem with people expressig their delight on being in the first page. It's damn hard to get there, since it only lasts for a few minutes twice a week and takes a little luck and perseverance, so when you see your post there it must feel like a small (very small, almost infinitesimal) victory of sorts.

Fact of the matter is, if you want to jump to "content", just skip the first page.

[Spiky]

Cheers!

This was a fun strip. I liked the way the magic adjusted each person's memory...

Actually, the magic just erased memory. Their personalities, assumptions and experiences filled in the missing details.

Excellent comic, as usual.

[loial77]

listen fool, such things happen all the time for example COKE is an ordinary word but it is owned by someone. however if you ask nicely you can receive written permission from yours truly to use AWESOME in certain situations, and as I have already stated (though not to YOUR knowledge) that my copyright of AWESOME is in fact, AWESOME, then such a use can be acceptable

Actually, no one could own a copyright on the work Coke, the word Coca-Cola or any other brand name. Some companies do own trademarks that are ordinary words, but trademarks merely prevent the use of the term as a source identifier for a similar or related product. The question is, is it possible establish the "AWESOME label" as a service or trade mark serving as a source identifier for your posts and commentary? That would be AWESOME.

[HypnoticMonk]

I'm so glad I wasn't the only one who thought along those lines...

It was strangely erotic. :P

yes this is a VERY late reply(relatively) but at work today, I finally figured out why it was "strangly erotic" to some....


"Roy has boobies"

[Krytha]

Now that I think about it, I think this is the first time I've ever seen Roy do the concerned/compassionate/sad face. Usually it's the bored/sarcastic or goddamlivid face.

[Joseph_Awesome]

Actually, no one could own a copyright on the work Coke, the word Coca-Cola or any other brand name. Some companies do own trademarks that are ordinary words, but trademarks merely prevent the use of the term as a source identifier for a similar or related product. The question is, is it possible establish the "AWESOME label" as a service or trade mark serving as a source identifier for your posts and commentary? That would be AWESOME.


please to forgive, the differential in various english words is not the place where I show strength.

I see that you are correct and that my use of copyright was illegal and punishable. I was put into enrage as after reading the person's words the only dynamic conclusion available was that their use of AWESOME was not habitual in the past and done only to provoke my enraged.

however I will state that any discussions of my trademark will have my future permission to use AWESOME in a positive fashion. This is to mean that you can say it is AWESOME but to deny that it is AWESOME would be in penalty.

[kabbor]

Actually, no one could own a copyright on the work Coke, the word Coca-Cola or any other brand name. Some companies do own trademarks that are ordinary words, but trademarks merely prevent the use of the term as a source identifier for a similar or related product. The question is, is it possible establish the "AWESOME label" as a service or trade mark serving as a source identifier for your posts and commentary? That would be AWESOME.


Actually, No one owns trademarks. Use of the words 'own' or 'property' with regard to trademarks, copyrights or patents is a conspiricy of the borgeois proletariat to increase their power.

Trademarks, copyrights and patents are worlds apart from property rights in law. Just as they are very different from each other.

Just thought you'd like to know....

[Joseph_Awesome]

Actually, No one owns trademarks. Use of the words 'own' or 'property' with regard to trademarks, copyrights or patents is a conspiricy of the borgeois proletariat to increase their power.

Trademarks, copyrights and patents are worlds apart from property rights in law. Just as they are very different from each other.

Just thought you'd like to know....

I attempt to use large words in my English to impress the speakers with my hold of their home tongue. But not to be fooled, I am easily confused. I am of the impression that some of the words which you have used are not English because they are not in my dictionary.

You are saying my trademark is most likely in false claim?

[Zeb The Troll]

Actually, No one owns trademarks. Use of the words 'own' or 'property' with regard to trademarks, copyrights or patents is a conspiricy of the borgeois proletariat to increase their power.

Trademarks, copyrights and patents are worlds apart from property rights in law. Just as they are very different from each other.

Just thought you'd like to know....

Hmmm, maybe my grasp of my native English isn't as good as I thought. Isn't "bourgeois proletariat" a contradiction in terms?

Bourgeois = a powerful caste whose wealth was gained through commercial activities such as trade and manufacturing as opposed to inheritance.

Proletariat = the lower or working class.

The bourgeoisie are the people who pay the wages of the proletariat. Unless I've somehow got this wrong.

Not that this has anything to do with the comic any more...

Zeb

[The Glyphstone]

I attempt to use large words in my English to impress the speakers with my hold of their home tongue. But not to be fooled, I am easily confused. I am of the impression that some of the words which you have used are not English because they are not in my dictionary.

You are saying my trademark is most likely in false claim?


Pretty much, yes.

You can't copyright words, and then prevent people from saying them (well, licensed songs and such) - but you can copyright products, ideas, that sort of thing. Let's take a comic-related joke, to keep this thread on topic:

Mind Flayer. Yes, I said it. The Mind Flayer is a creature created and copyrighted by WotC, the "spooooooky wizard". I can't sell anything featuring a Mind Flayer, share details on the stats or abilities of a Mind Flayer, or create my own tentacle-headed, brain-eating purple-pink monster that's exactly the same as a Mind Flayer and sell that, BECAUSE the Mind Flayer is a copyrighted, patented concept and idea, and a trademark. However, the words "Mind Flayer" themselves are not copyrighted - and they can't be. I can say (or type) "Mind Flayer" all day long (though that might become spamming, if that's all I do), without any reprisal, since language isn't private property.*

Basically, trying to claim that you own a word, such as AWESOME, will just get people mocking or making fun of you and your claim - like I did. Not aiming to enrage, but definitely mocking.



*Note: None of the above is based on an actual study of copyright law, just what I know about it.

Oh yeah:
Mind Flayer. :D

EDIT: And aren't both "borguois" and "proletariat" French words? Or maybe Russian?

[Maelin]

Woohoo, 10th page! ;D :o ;D

Actually, this is a poke at those folks who seem to think that being among the first fifteen people to post "I like this one" is more important than actually having something to say.

[chibibar]

Ironically.. didn't DC/Marvel group was trying to copyright the word

Superheroes and super-heroes?

[The Glyphstone]

I thought I remember hearing something about that....I think they failed miserably, too. Might just be my imagination, though.

[loial77]

Actually, No one owns trademarks. Use of the words 'own' or 'property' with regard to trademarks, copyrights or patents is a conspiricy of the borgeois proletariat to increase their power.

Trademarks, copyrights and patents are worlds apart from property rights in law. Just as they are very different from each other.

Just thought you'd like to know....

I disagree, as they share a number of characteristics of other personal property, but I don't want my first venture into the Comics forum to be a IP law threadjack, so let's agree to disagree.

The_Glyphstone: Nice summary. If I were inclines to nitpick, I would say that the actual description and any images are is copyrighted, as opposed to the concept. The actual effect is exactly as you describe, however.

Chibibar: Try? Apparently, they succeeded.

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=bmhj0b.3.84

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=bmhj0b.3.79

As I recall, they also tried to shut down City of Heroes because the character creation system could be used to recreate their copyrighted works. No wonder people are skeptical about IP law. Anyway, I am ending my part in this threadjack now.

Update: The links won't work, but you can search "Super Heroes" on the USPTO cite to find the two live registrations that I listed above.

[Krytha]

And aren't both "bourgeois" and "proletariat" French words? Or maybe Russian?

It's french.