hitting somebody with the butt end of your crossbow

[krunchyfrogg]

I saw somebody in an AL game try to argue he's still using a missile weapon when he tried to hit somebody with a crossbow in AL. He was trying to get the +2 to hit from the fighting style (it says ranged weapons, and he argued the crossbow is still a ranged weapon, even if he's using it in melee).

DM didn't allow it.

Would you?

[Dudewithknives]

I saw somebody in an AL game try to argue he's still using a missile weapon when he tried to hit somebody with a crossbow in AL. He was trying to get the +2 to hit from the fighting style (it says ranged weapons, and he argued the crossbow is still a ranged weapon, even if he's using it in melee).

DM didn't allow it.

Would you?

No, because that is not a ranged weapon. It is an improvised weapon.

If he wants to do that in a reliable basis take tavern brawler.

It would still not be a ranged weapon though.

[KorvinStarmast]

No.
At that point it's an improvised weapon.
DM called that one right.

[Nefariis]

Absolutely not, that doesn't even make sense.

[Klorox]

I saw somebody in an AL game try to argue he's still using a missile weapon when he tried to hit somebody with a crossbow in AL. He was trying to get the +2 to hit from the fighting style (it says ranged weapons, and he argued the crossbow is still a ranged weapon, even if he's using it in melee).

DM didn't allow it.

Would you?
LMAO, I already know who this is. Hahahhaha


Krunchy and I play together sometimes.

[Laserlight]

I saw somebody in an AL game try to argue he's still using a missile weapon when he tried to hit somebody with a crossbow in AL. He was trying to get the +2 to hit from the fighting style (it says ranged weapons, and he argued the crossbow is still a ranged weapon, even if he's using it in melee).

DM didn't allow it.

Would you?

No, of course not.

[MeeposFire]

As an aside remember that by RAW using a thrown dagger is not using a ranged weapon even though you are using a weapon at range so the idea is oddly not out of the question. That being said declaring that as an improvised weapon is a fair ruling I think.

[Slipperychicken]

Nope. I'd call it 1d4 bludgeoning, improvised club, no bonus.

[Finback]

I saw somebody in an AL game try to argue he's still using a missile weapon when he tried to hit somebody with a crossbow in AL. He was trying to get the +2 to hit from the fighting style (it says ranged weapons, and he argued the crossbow is still a ranged weapon, even if he's using it in melee).

DM didn't allow it.

Would you?

Using that logic, they shouldn't ever get XP from using a crossbow, because they didn't kill the goblin, the *bolt* did.

[Potato_Priest]

Using that logic, they shouldn't ever get XP from using a crossbow, because they didn't kill the goblin, the *bolt* did.

People don't kill people, crossbows kill people.

I don't see how you can make that extension logically.

Additionally, I often make logically inconsistent rulings that make the game work more the way that it should, and that doesn't mean they are bad rulings.

Back end of a crossbow is an improvised weapon, not a ranged weapon.

[JBPuffin]

I admire their bravado...but yeah, that's just silly. Tavern Brawler situation, not Archery Style.

[Finback]

Back end of a crossbow is an improvised weapon, not a ranged weapon.

I agree; I was saying that if that player wants to push the specifics to that level of inanity (that a ranged weapon used as a club is still a ranged weapon) couldn't argue with the premise that a crossbow bolt did the killing, therefore they don't get the XP. It's taking RAW to a very forced conclusion, and completely ignoring the obvious RAI.

[Malifice]

Improvised weapon - deals 1d4 plus strength bludgeoning damage.

No, archery style doesn't apply.

[Madbox]

Not as a club, but I might allow it if the crossbow itself were hurled as a projectile.

I'm willing to meet you halfway if you wanna do the whole "Out of bullets, throw the gun" joke.

[krunchyfrogg]

LMAO, I already know who this is. Hahahhaha


Krunchy and I play together sometimes.

You know it! lol

I hope you can still make some games. Good luck in Jersey City!

[Mandragola]

By their bizarre logic, shouldn't they have disadvantage to hit, due to using a ranged weapon in melee?

[krunchyfrogg]

By their bizarre logic, shouldn't they have disadvantage to hit, due to using a ranged weapon in melee?

He argued that he had crossbow mastery feat. :smalltongue:

It's a game that happens at a store. I am pretty sure nobody likes him, but even the DM can't tell him to leave the game since it's in a public place.

[Arial Black]

Hey DM! I don't have proficiency with lockpicks, but if I use my crossbow to pick the lock then I'll get +3 from my proficiency with crossbows and another +2 from ranged weapon fighting style, right?

Right?

DM?

I'm right, right?

[Knaight]

It's an improvised weapon, and that's without getting into how the GM would have been totally within their rights to have another ruling where using it like that damaged the crossbow.

[ThurlRavenscrof]

Hey DM! I don't have proficiency with lockpicks, but if I use my crossbow to pick the lock then I'll get +3 from my proficiency with crossbows and another +2 from ranged weapon fighting style, right?

Right?

DM?

I'm right, right?

Yeah this is how I feel haha that player is crazy

[Laserlight]

He argued that he had crossbow mastery feat. :smalltongue:

It's a game that happens at a store. I am pretty sure nobody likes him, but even the DM can't tell him to leave the game since it's in a public place.

"Oh look, a cloud giant has taken offense at you personally. What's your AC...never mind, it's a crit. Squish. So hey, feel free to bring back yet another new character again next week. Starting at L1, of course."

[suplee215]

He argued that he had crossbow mastery feat. :smalltongue:

It's a game that happens at a store. I am pretty sure nobody likes him, but even the DM can't tell him to leave the game since it's in a public place.

If he had crossbow mastery then why not just shoot?

[ZorroGames]

If he had crossbow mastery then why not just shoot?

This.

Exactly.

First I act, then I try and justify it.

I love his argument but... no.

[suplee215]

This.

Exactly.

First I act, then I try and justify it.

I love his argument but... no.

Yea. Unless he ran out of bolts but if you are an archer who runs out of ammo just accept you are ****ed.