Continual item of Glibness?

[danielxcutter]

How much would one cost? Also, how good would it be, and what level should it become viable WBL-wise?

[Lazymancer]

Short answer: No.

Long answer: this costs 90,000 gp and is called "item that gives +30 to Bluff".

[danielxcutter]

Short answer: No.

Long answer: this costs 90,000 gp and is called "item that gives +30 to Bluff".

So it works RAW-wise?

[fire_insideout]

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/creatingMagicItems.htm#creatingWondrousItems

Skill bonus squared * 100 gp.

EDIT: "Works by RAW" sure, then it'd be 30.000 (3 * 5 * 2000) for a continuous Glibness effect with CL 5. The magic item creation rules are wonky.

[Zanos]

So it works RAW-wise?
The table for estimating the cost of items is for DMs to use to estimate the cost of magic items. It's not a license for players to make any item you want that fits those guidelines. The first thing you're supposed to do is compare the potential item against existing items.

So 90,000 gp is in fact the estimated cost of a +30 competence item, but Glibness isn't a competence bonus. It doesn't apply to other uses of bluff but those are not used very often, and it gives you a defence against magical lie detection.

The estimated cost for a continuous item of a 7th CL, 3rd SL, 10min/CL spell is 7*3*2000*1.5 = 63000. But this disagrees with existing formulas for other things, where a skill bonus item that gives +30 competence costs 90k. And glibness gives an untyped bonus, which typically makes it twice as valuable. It doesn't apply to all uses of bluff, but it does apply to the one being used 95% of the time, and has an extra effect, so I'm comfortable costing it at 180k. Any DM can just say that it doesn't exist though.

[Lazymancer]

So it works RAW-wise?
Nope. RAW all custom items require GM's approval. RAW you don't get automatic approval on everything.

And GMs are not supposed to price custom items based on spells with numerical bonuses already covered by other entries on the pricing table. So no gauntlets of continuous True Strike or cloak of Glibness or what-have-you.

You want skill boost - you get regular price for skill boost item.

[Deophaun]

Long answer: this costs 90,000 gp and is called "item that gives +30 to Bluff".
Your pricing is probably correct, but your reasoning is off.

An "item that gives +30 to Bluff" would likely be 180,000 gp, because the bonus is untyped. It may even be more than that. But...

Glibness does not give you "+30 to Bluff." It gives you +30 to only a subset of Bluff checks. Granted, these are the subset that you likely most want, but going by other items as precedent, that will result in a 50% discount. Take a look at the gauntlets of minute seeing, which I'm pretty sure covers about 95% of the Search checks a player will ever make, but still gets that unstated 50% modifier to its price.

[Lazymancer]

I congratulate people in this thread for proving that me being wrong means that I'm right.

[Segev]

On the other hand, if you are a bard, a Pearl of Power III is only 9,000 gp. So you can buy 'extra' castings of glibness for 9,000 gp each.

A Ring of Wizardry III is 35,000 gp, which will double your third level spells for a day. So if you have 5+ third level spell slots, this becomes more efficient than a Pearl of Power III.

Bards get third level spells at 7th level, so your minimum duration is 70 minutes. Six castings would cover a 7-hour day.

One Ring of Wizardry III or 4 Pearls of Power III (and two of your native spell slots) devoted to it would probably keep you going pretty much whenever you wanted, for 34,000 gp to 35,000 gp. at level 7, I'd just start buying the Pearls. More efficient and affordable at that level for the number of spell slots you have.

[Lazymancer]

A Ring of Wizardry III is 35,000 gp
Unfortunately, that's crafting cost, not price.

[Zanos]

On the other hand, if you are a bard, a Pearl of Power III is only 9,000 gp. So you can buy 'extra' castings of glibness for 9,000 gp each.

A Ring of Wizardry III is 35,000 gp, which will double your third level spells for a day. So if you have 5+ third level spell slots, this becomes more efficient than a Pearl of Power III.

Bards get third level spells at 7th level, so your minimum duration is 70 minutes. Six castings would cover a 7-hour day.

One Ring of Wizardry III or 4 Pearls of Power III (and two of your native spell slots) devoted to it would probably keep you going pretty much whenever you wanted, for 34,000 gp to 35,000 gp. at level 7, I'd just start buying the Pearls. More efficient and affordable at that level for the number of spell slots you have.
Lesser Rod of Extend would probably be the cheapest option if you're just looking for time coverage.

[Deophaun]

I congratulate people in this thread for proving that me being wrong means that I'm right.
You're like the Columbus of RAW! :smallbiggrin:

[Gildedragon]

An eternal wand of (extended) glibness isn't terribly expensive... nor a minor schema of the same.

[danielxcutter]

Oooh, wait. Glibness is a 3rd level spell, right? Then a high-level Sublime Chord could Persist it!

[atemu1234]

Oooh, wait. Glibness is a 3rd level spell, right? Then a high-level Sublime Chord could Persist it!

Sublime Chord Incantatrix, anybody?

[lbuttitta]

Alternatively, a bard with Lyric Spell and Persist Spell could accomplish the same.

[Lazymancer]

People, you don't need Bard to persist Glibness. You just need to "devote your miserable, worthless lifes to learning but a few of the Whispered One’s secrets" (I'm quoting). Vecna's initiate feat (RoD) adds Glibness to cleric's spell list (or just get Commerce domain). I sincerely hope I don't need to elaborate any further.

[Gildedragon]

Initiate of Ollidamara also gets one Glibness... along with all SRD bard spells 0-3