Beguiler and Bard - Need ideas

[khaldorgas]

Hello guys!

I've been playing as a beguiler, and at the last game, The first act of the campaign was over.

The act came to an end when we were able to recover some power items, The Game Returns, after spending some time in history.

Each was trained by a mentor to learn and received powers and abilities related to what he did during the first act.

Anyway, I gained some soulmelds (and I use them all maximized with 3 points)
Blink shirt
Illusion Veil
Luck Dice

All very cool, and I also won the bard class as a gestalt.
Then I have doubts. My group is small, and the buffs are really crap for them, they will hardly make a difference.

I thought about taking the archetype of dervish of dawn, but I would not be a good fighter either.

Do you recommend me some archetype or something to not have a useless ability?

PS: D&d3.5 and pathfinder material allowed


Thank you all!

[Rebel7284]

I mean, yes, there is plenty of overlap between beguiler and bard making it a less than optimal gestalt. With that said, a slightly better chassis and more spells can't hurt. About the most powerful thing a bard can do is enter Sublime Chord.

[Gildedragon]

what is the rest of the party composition?

Bard + Beguiler is a bit... redundant

Now you could focus on being a debuffer bard; there's acfs that go for fear escalation and the like...

[Long_shanks]

How about the Magician (PF bard archetype). You replace inspire courage with a song that boosts caster level. It would help you with your spells, but also your party. If there are a few casters in your party, speaking from experience, they are going to love you. You only need lingering song to make it work all day (unless your DM throws 20 encounters per day at you). I especially liked to use it in the morning when the party was casting it's buffs for the day. Greater magic weapon? Lasts a couple hours longer and you get a better bonus two levels early.

[khaldorgas]

I mean, yes, there is plenty of overlap between beguiler and bard making it a less than optimal gestalt. With that said, a slightly better chassis and more spells can't hurt. About the most powerful thing a bard can do is enter Sublime Chord.

Yes, but i didnt chosen xD.
the great spells are very similar! but i think sublime chord will be my future, spells are always good as u said


what is the rest of the party composition?

Bard + Beguiler is a bit... redundant

Now you could focus on being a debuffer bard; there's acfs that go for fear escalation and the like...

We have a Warpriest//Barbarian, very strong at melee (self buffer) and a sorcerer//idk, but he is specialist in damage spells


How about the Magician (PF bard archetype). You replace inspire courage with a song that boosts caster level. It would help you with your spells, but also your party. If there are a few casters in your party, speaking from experience, they are going to love you. You only need lingering song to make it work all day (unless your DM throws 20 encounters per day at you). I especially liked to use it in the morning when the party was casting it's buffs for the day. Greater magic weapon? Lasts a couple hours longer and you get a better bonus two levels early.

I saw this archetype now, and its totally amazing!! a lot of nice features, thanks for your suggestion!!
i was thinking to take Sandman (PF bard archetype too), but now i'm think magician is better!

[ottdmk]

Anyway, I gained some soulmelds (and I use them all maximized with 3 points)
Blink shirt
Illusion Veil
Luck DiceSorry to go off on a tangent, but this caught my attention. How'd you end up with nine points of Essentia? Was that part of the reward as well? Just curious. :smallsmile:

[khaldorgas]

Sorry to go off on a tangent, but this caught my attention. How'd you end up with nine points of Essentia? Was that part of the reward as well? Just curious. :smallsmile:


Sorry for the delay!
In the game story, we find powerful magical artifacts, receiving the points of essentia and soulmelds :smallbiggrin: