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Zen
2017-06-28, 05:55 PM
Characters models such as Scorpion from mortal kombat have this piece of cloth that falls in the frontal and back part of their tunics, does that thing has a name? Or does this type of tunic has a name? I think it looks very cool.

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GAAD
2017-06-28, 06:02 PM
I believe that would be a tabard.

Anxe
2017-06-28, 07:18 PM
Tabard more often refers to a rectangular piece of cloth with a hole cut in it for your head. It's more complicated than that, but I don't think tabards get thinner below the waist as you've depicted.

I looked around a bit and the closest words I could find to describe what you want are tasset and fauld. They more often refer to armor than clothing and they are also more inclusive than just the center bit of clothing that descends below the waist. If you want to be accurate it would be better to specific something like, "woolen central tasset," or something along those lines.

EDIT: Apparently someone asked almost this exact question on Quora two years ago and got two answers: https://www.quora.com/Does-the-decorative-long-piece-of-fabric-that-hangs-off-from-a-belt-on-an-armor-or-other-costumes-have-a-name-What-is-it-called
Apron or Belt Favor. That's more specifically referring to a piece of cloth that's attached to the belt instead of to the shirt though.

Winter_Wolf
2017-06-28, 09:45 PM
Not knowing what that part would actually be called, I submit "modesty cloth." Because really that's the least rude thing I could think of. Because despite my age I can still be immature if I want.

Dappershire
2017-06-29, 02:17 AM
Tabard more often refers to a rectangular piece of cloth with a hole cut in it for your head. It's more complicated than that, but I don't think tabards get thinner below the waist as you've depicted.
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It is almost certainly a Tabard. And while your correct, that tabards usually used right angles in their cuts, that was more out of style preference. Those worn by peasants and monks (which ninja certainly qualify for, even if they had different clothing options) were far less likely to be tailored, being hand stitched by their own hand, usually.

As for the lower left image, that would be a Loin cloth, and entirely different form of garment.

Anxe
2017-06-29, 10:10 AM
It is almost certainly a Tabard. And while your correct, that tabards usually used right angles in their cuts, that was more out of style preference. Those worn by peasants and monks (which ninja certainly qualify for, even if they had different clothing options) were far less likely to be tailored, being hand stitched by their own hand, usually.

As for the lower left image, that would be a Loin cloth, and entirely different form of garment.

Would we call it a tapered tabard then?

I'm not really understanding that argument either. Wouldn't peasants and monks, having less time to stitch their tabards, do a simpler design that didn't taper in the center?

The Vanishing Hitchhiker
2017-06-29, 10:48 AM
I'm not really understanding that argument either. Wouldn't peasants and monks, having less time to stitch their tabards, do a simpler design that didn't taper in the center?

If they hate doing corners, that'd be two corners instead of four. Plus certain fabrics cut on the bias (diagonally, rather than following the threads of the weave) don't fray as easily so they might be able to avoid hemming that bit at all. I'm just spitballing based on what I know about sewing, though. The biggest reason to have squared ends would be to avoid fabric waste from cutting bits off for fashion's sake, but I'm sure a use could be found for the remnants. Maybe if a squared tabard's looking a little beat up at the extremities you could give it a trim rather than a proper mend, though.

John Campbell
2017-06-29, 10:53 AM
Not all of those pictures are the same thing. In some of them, that flap of cloth is the bottom of a tabard (a simple garment that goes over the shoulders, hangs down in front and back, has open sides, and is usually secured by a belt of some sort). In some, it's a loincloth or breechclout (a garment that goes between the thighs, hangs down in front and back, and is secured by a belt or wrap of its own material around the waist). In some, it's an apron (a flap of material that hangs down from a belt). In some, it's just a flap on a tunic or surcoat. In some of them, it's not entirely clear what the thing is or how it stays on.

ed: And in no case is it a belt favor, which is not a garment.

John Campbell
2017-06-29, 11:13 AM
If they hate doing corners, that'd be two corners instead of four. Plus certain fabrics cut on the bias (diagonally, rather than following the threads of the weave) don't fray as easily so they might be able to avoid hemming that bit at all. I'm just spitballing based on what I know about sewing, though. The biggest reason to have squared ends would be to avoid fabric waste from cutting bits off for fashion's sake, but I'm sure a use could be found for the remnants. Maybe if a squared tabard's looking a little beat up at the extremities you could give it a trim rather than a proper mend, though.

The simplest method, and least wasteful of cloth (which is the big concern in medieval society; spinning and weaving by hand is time-consuming work, far more so than hand-sewing), is to just use a rectangular strip of cloth that came off the loom at the width desired, so the only hems need to be the neck-hole and bottom ends. The sides don't need hemming, because they're selvedge (the natural edge of the cloth, where the weft thread loops around the edgemost warp thread to go back the other direction), and have no loose ends.

Corsair14
2017-06-29, 12:17 PM
Why would peasants be wearing tabards? Tabards were a means of showing ones chivalric colors and device for identification purposes. Peasants would wear a tunic, maybe pants in a cooler environment, when working or going about their daily business. Ninja definitely would not be wearing anything that identified them or made them look out of place. But yes, the piece of clothing worn by those characters in Mortal Kombat were tabards although the only reason they would wear them was for artistic license so you had something of color to tell the two apart. I think it changed in more recent games but in the old game they were graphically identical except for the colored tabards.

Dappershire
2017-06-30, 01:42 AM
Why would peasants be wearing tabards? Tabards were a means of showing ones chivalric colors and device for identification purposes. Peasants would wear a tunic, maybe pants in a cooler environment, when working or going about their daily business. Ninja definitely would not be wearing anything that identified them or made them look out of place. But yes, the piece of clothing worn by those characters in Mortal Kombat were tabards although the only reason they would wear them was for artistic license so you had something of color to tell the two apart. I think it changed in more recent games but in the old game they were graphically identical except for the colored tabards.

They were worn by peasants long before their use in knight's livery. Likely due to the simplicity of design. Sleeves were far too fancy for simple men, so the Tabard was the jacket for most people of lesser means.
Later, they were opened up along the sides, and often marked with the arms of knights and officers, It was more an overcoat, though still with the sleeveless design. Its simplicity, but ease of marking, allowed knights to spend less having their armor crafted with their mark, instead, hiring a simple seamstress.


Would we call it a tapered tabard then?

I'm not really understanding that argument either. Wouldn't peasants and monks, having less time to stitch their tabards, do a simpler design that didn't taper in the center?

Tabards are pretty much ponchos, and served the same function. A tapered tabard would be fine as a name. And while you (and whoever else mentioned it) are correct in that it would be simpler to cut it at a straight angle off the loom, they could make more tabards from less cloth, by cutting the cloth apart at an angle. The tapered angle would only be on one side, but peasants cant be choosers. It would serve duel duty in conserving cloth, and also making it so the all the cloth bunched below the belt wouldn't interfere with ones ability to walk.

Corsair14
2017-06-30, 12:47 PM
Sleeveless tunics were common in Rome and in many of the barbarian cultures of the time. A tabard was always a relatively simple rectangular-ish piece of cloth with a hole for the head usually belted and open sided. Technically a tabard is a form of tunic however so we are probably just picking at straws.

Anxe
2017-06-30, 04:05 PM
Not all of those pictures are the same thing. In some of them, that flap of cloth is the bottom of a tabard (a simple garment that goes over the shoulders, hangs down in front and back, has open sides, and is usually secured by a belt of some sort). In some, it's a loincloth or breechclout (a garment that goes between the thighs, hangs down in front and back, and is secured by a belt or wrap of its own material around the waist). In some, it's an apron (a flap of material that hangs down from a belt). In some, it's just a flap on a tunic or surcoat. In some of them, it's not entirely clear what the thing is or how it stays on.

ed: And in no case is it a belt favor, which is not a garment.

The guy with the spear looked like he might be wearing a belt favor.