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flameboy1042
2007-08-06, 12:33 PM
I wonder what class levels or features the redcloak goblin has b/c i know for sure that if he is a cleric( which i have believed him to be) he would have had destruction mem'd and not disintegrate.
...there my 2 cents on the matter for what it worth...

Porthos
2007-08-06, 12:39 PM
I wonder what class levels or features the redcloak goblin has b/c i know for sure that if he is a cleric( which i have believed him to be) he would have had destruction mem'd and not disintegrate.
...there my 2 cents on the matter for what it worth...

He did have Destruction (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0456.html) memorized. :smallsmile: Disintergrate is his Domain spell for 7th level.

Elurindel
2007-08-06, 12:41 PM
He has the Destruction Domain, which can be observed by

reading Start of Darkness, in which he uses a Smite ability to shatter a humans head with his bare hand

And therefore, Disintegrate can be chosen as his Domain spell for that level.

Jasdoif
2007-08-06, 01:13 PM
Without breaking into SoD spoilers, Redcloak's domains are Law and Destruction, in the absence of anything homebrewed.

You have to prepare a domain spell in the domain spell slot, making his seventh-level spell choice for that slot...dictum (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/dictum.htm), or disintegrate (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/disintegrate.htm). And preparing a spell that doesn't affect lawful creatures is pretty silly when your primary opposition for the day is paladins.

Aquillion
2007-08-06, 01:19 PM
Without breaking into SoD spoilers, Redcloak's domains are Law and Destruction, in the absence of anything homebrewed.He can't have Law, though. He was surprised that the high cleric of Azure City got Hold Monster (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0456.html). Either he has something homebrewed, or something obscure (there's a LOT of domains out there.)

The Demented One
2007-08-06, 01:24 PM
He can't have Law, though. He was surprised that the high cleric of Azure City got Hold Monster (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0456.html). Either he has something homebrewed, or something obscure (there's a LOT of domains out there.)
He was surprised about it before he learned the cleric had the Law domain. No reason he can't have it himself.

Jasdoif
2007-08-06, 01:26 PM
He can't have Law, though. He was surprised that the high cleric of Azure City got Hold Monster (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0456.html). Either he has something homebrewed, or something obscure (there's a LOT of domains out there.)I guess I'll have to get into spoilers then.

In SoD Redcloak casts Hold Monster, at the circus manticore.

Yes, it makes that strip a little odd looking...but as Hold Monster isn't a standard cleric spell, it would be a bit surprising to encounter from a (supposed) cleric, even if you have the spell yourself. For all Redcloak might have known, the high priest could've been a mystic theurge and picked up the spell through arcane casting.

Quikngruvn
2007-08-06, 02:18 PM
So Redcloak's 8th-level domain options are Shield of Law (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/shieldOfLaw.htm) and Earthquake (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/earthquake.htm). Hmm. Looks like we may see more tremors in the near future....

BardicLasher
2007-08-06, 02:44 PM
He might prep Shield of Law. Half the order is Chaotic, and the AC and Resistance Bonuses are both useful against all opponents.

Kurald Galain
2007-08-06, 03:22 PM
He might prep Shield of Law. Half the order is Chaotic, and the AC and Resistance Bonuses are both useful against all opponents.

I don't think Redcloak was aware that the Order was in Azure City. Indeed I don't think he's even aware of that at this very moment.

Studoku
2007-08-06, 03:30 PM
I don't think Redcloak was aware that the Order was in Azure City. Indeed I don't think he's even aware of that at this very moment.
He found out here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0426.html). He didn't know before the battle though.

Porthos
2007-08-06, 03:35 PM
So Redcloak's 8th-level domain options are Shield of Law (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/shieldOfLaw.htm) and Earthquake (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/earthquake.htm). Hmm. Looks like we may see more tremors in the near future....

I believe he could use Disintegrate in that Domain slot if he wanted to. It just comes down to whether he thinks Disintegrate is a better option than either of those two spells.

Chronos
2007-08-06, 03:54 PM
He might prep Shield of Law. Half the order is Chaotic, and the AC and Resistance Bonuses are both useful against all opponents.Shield of Law maybe isn't as useless as Dictum, but I don't think he was expecting to find the Order of the Stick there, and in a large-scale battle of thousands, Earthquake is likely to be much more useful. If significant numbers of Azurites had ended up out on the battlefield, then a single Earthquake could potentially kill thousands of them, compared to Shield of Law giving bonuses to one person.

As it happened, though, the right circumstances to use Earthquake didn't come up (since the defenders mostly stayed inside the city, and he wanted to capture the place, not destroy it), so it's now a wasted spell slot for the day.

the_tick_rules
2007-08-07, 02:51 AM
i dunno if earthquake would be helpful here, so shield probably.

SPoD
2007-08-07, 08:49 AM
More likely a metamagic version of a lower domain spell, actually.

Though I for one would vote for "something homebrew" for Redcloak's other domain. Law just doesn't seem like a fit for the Dark One as he's portrayed in SoD.

Chronos
2007-08-07, 09:55 AM
Law just doesn't seem like a fit for the Dark One as he's portrayed in SoD.You don't think so?He organized all of the goblinoids under him. His ultimate goal for them was a great goblin civilization, on a par with the humans and other PC races. Once his armies put him in a position to do so, he preferred to achieve this goal through negotiation with the other races. Even once he gets the ultimate weapon as a god, he still plans to achieve his goal through negotiation with the other gods. And if that doesn't work, either, he intends to work together with the other gods to create World, Mark III.All of that sounds pretty lawful, to me. And if the Dark One and Redcloak are both lawful (and remember, a deity always has all domains corresponding to his alignment), and Redcloak casts a spell which, per core, is only available to clerics via the Law domain, and there's no evidence for Redcloak having any other two domains, then I think it's safe to conclude that Redcloak has the Law domain.

Miraqariftsky
2007-08-07, 11:23 AM
Ah, all hail Lhesh Redcloak, then.

Didn't he expend his Destruction when he fought the Azuritre High Priest?

Don't remember if I said it elsewhere but maybe he did dip into an arcane class sometime back, I don't know...

factotum
2007-08-07, 11:36 AM
What's that got to do with anything? Destruction is a normal cleric spell, not a domain spell. (Well, OK, you also get it as part of the Death domain, but it's possible to cast it without having that domain).