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sorwrith
2007-08-06, 02:16 PM
ok i have a question about use magice device that my gaming group has discussed for a while now... Can you use UMD to emulate the warlocks Eldritch Blast Invocation to make items like the warlock can make a wand of Eldritch Blast

Aximili
2007-08-06, 02:27 PM
You cannot use UMD tu emmulate spells or spell-like abilities when creating items. The skill works for the specific purpose of using magic items.

Unless you are warlock, then I suppose you could. But a warlock wouldn't need to emulate his Eldritch blast, would he? =P

sorwrith
2007-08-06, 02:35 PM
well thats the thing in the artificer item creation feature, an artificer can emulate a spell that he doesn't have on his spell list to create a magic item... ie "he would have to make a umd check + caster level to emulate each spell normally required to create the item. Thus to make a 1st level Wand of Magic Missle, an artifice would need a UMD check result of 21 or higher"

Dausuul
2007-08-06, 02:38 PM
well thats the thing in the artificer item creation feature, an artificer can emulate a spell that he doesn't have on his spell list to create a magic item... ie "he would have to make a umd check + caster level to emulate each spell normally required to create the item. Thus to make a 1st level Wand of Magic Missle, an artifice would need a UMD check result of 21 or higher"

It depends on the exact wording. Assuming you quoted it exactly, then no, you cannot emulate eldritch blast, because eldritch blast is a spell-like ability rather than an actual spell.

And even if you could emulate eldritch blast, you couldn't make a wand out of it for the same reason--you can only make wands out of actual spells, not spell-like abilities.

Rumda
2007-08-06, 02:50 PM
artificers can also make umd checks to emulate non-spell requirements, including alignment and race
It doesn't matter that Eldrich blast is a SLA. The general rule of thumb for artificers is that if it can be crafted, an artificer can craft it, as long as it makes the UMD checks

Aximili
2007-08-06, 02:55 PM
Actually, they can't cast psionic items as far as I know.
And I think that the wand the OP wants can't be crafted at all.:smallconfused:

Rumda
2007-08-06, 03:02 PM
well unless you can make a UMD check to emulate ranks in use psionic device in order to make a UPD check in order to emulate a manifester level and powers, then the rule of thumb is if it can be crafted magically then an artificer can make it with enough UMD checks

Aximili
2007-08-06, 03:07 PM
You can't:smallwink:
UMD emmulates class features, ability scores, races, and alignments; but not skill ranks.

Starbuck_II
2007-08-06, 08:49 PM
Actually, they can't cast psionic items as far as I know.
And I think that the wand the OP wants can't be crafted at all.:smallconfused:

Magic Item Comprehendruim disagrees. Both are create-able. Psionic characters can create magic items and vice versa. Just need a Power similiar to a spell and vice versa.

Just Alex
2007-08-06, 08:51 PM
I've got another UMD question. Can a Specialist Wizard UMD to cast a banned school spell out of a wand/staff/scroll/fluffy bunny?

Gralamin
2007-08-06, 08:52 PM
Magic Item Comprehendruim disagrees. Both are create-able. Psionic characters can create magic items and vice versa. Just need a Power similiar to a spell and vice versa.

Actually, in this case I believe the Expanded Psionics Handbook trumps the Magic Item compendium.

edit: Nevermind. It depends if the Psionics is different rule is in effect.

Jasdoif
2007-08-06, 08:53 PM
I've got another UMD question. Can a Specialist Wizard UMD to cast a banned school spell out of a wand/staff/scroll/fluffy bunny?Yes, with the possible exception of the fluffy bunny. Basically, spells from the banned school aren't on the specialist's class spell list; nothing prevents said specialist from activating such an item through UMD.

Dareon
2007-08-07, 06:25 AM
Hmm, a Bunny of Fireball. Do you throw it? Squeeze it? Talk to it gently/menacingly? Rub cheese on its knees as easily as you please while freezing its fleas?

Just off the top of my head, it seems like you should be able to use a wand/scroll of a spell from a prohibited school via UMD. Which seems pretty handy until you realize UMD isn't on the Wizard list, meaning you'd need to cross-class, with the associated cap, on a skill that's not based on your casting stat, or dip into Rogue/Bard/Warlock or something. Still, pretty cool idea.

Evil DM Mark3
2007-08-07, 06:52 AM
Recall however that UMD is not a class skill for wizards.

Why that is I just don't know seeing as the skill is rather risky, particularly at low levels.

Aximili
2007-08-07, 05:36 PM
Magic Item Comprehendruim disagrees. Both are create-able. Psionic characters can create magic items and vice versa. Just need a Power similiar to a spell and vice versa.

What page does it say that? I couldn't find it. Also where is the wand that shoots eldritch rays?
(I'm not doubting you, just couldn't find them)