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Porthos

2017-07-07, 03:44 AM

It is a world ruled by Mad Science! Things happen. Usually, they happen to other people. This is entertainment. That's when the front door gets blown in- And you belatedly realize that, once again, you are doomed to be the entertainment in another exciting installment of: GIRL GENIUS (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20071228)!

Many elegant, finely-crafted, and vintage links follow:

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Girl Genius! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4818) (thread)
Girl Genius II (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80718)
Girl Genius III: Nize Thread! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92541)
Girl Genius IV: Because SCIENCE! is my mistress (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102230)
Girl Genius V: Madre de Diodes! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112305)
Girl Genius VI: Der Pestle in Der Kestle (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128538)
Girl Genius VII: Get on the Slab, I Want to Get to Work! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143909)
Girl Genius: VIII Will Show Them All! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159600)
Girl Genius IX: The Unstoppable Thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173582)
Girl Genius X: The Othar Shoe Drops (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189632)
Girl Genius XI: Ding Dong, the Baron's Dead! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207223)
Girl Genius XII: For Doom The Bell Tolls (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227697)
Girl Genius XIII: "Gott's Leedle Feesh in Trousers!" (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245508)
Girl Genius XIV: A Lightning Arc in All But Speed! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266978)
Girl Genius XV: The Weasel, the Spark, and the Wardrobe (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=287759)
Girl Genius XVI: The Wrath of Klaus (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?322309)
Girl Genius XVII: And Then He Had Pie (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?365866)
Girl Genius XVIII: Invisible Hand of the Legendary Smoke Knights (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?412897)
Girl Genius XIX: Worth a Third of Your Grade (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?458545)
Girl Genius XX: Endothermic Life Forms Are Inherently Heretical (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?488904)
Girl Genius XXI: Cancel the Jugglers (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?510316)

Comic Links
Link to current comic (http://girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php) and link to the beginning of the strip. (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20021104) (Updates MWF, usually after Midnight [Eastern Time])
The Continuing Adventures of Othar Tryggvassen, Gentleman Adventurer! (http://twitter.com/Othar) (back on hiatus, may update in the future)
A compilation (and much easier to read if you're just catching up) of the first three chapters can be found here at the GG website (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/fun/twitter_othar_01.php).
And if one goes to snapbird.org (http://snapbird.org/) and types in "Othar" in the 'Who?' field, all of Othar's adventures can be read on one page (albiet in reverse order of posting - Now must have a Twitter account to use).
Mirror of the comic found on LiveJournal (http://girlgeniuscomic.livejournal.com/) (No longer being updated as of Mid-May, 2017)
Mirror of the comic found on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Girl-Genius-Webcomic/28371352860?ref=nf) (Will occasionally have Girl Genius related news)
And one can find mirrors of Girl Genius on deviantArt as well (http://girlgeniuscomic.deviantart.com/). (Occasionally Kaja will put up or link to interesting GG related art that is found on dA)

Reference Links
Wiki Project devoted to to Girl Genius (http://girlgenius.wikia.com/wiki/The_Department_of_Almost_Certainly_True_History)
Wikipedia entry on Girl Genius. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_Genius)
TV Tropes page on Girl Genius. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GirlGenius)
The Secret Blueprints (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4272360&postcount=1478) (NOTE: Contains background information on the GG Universe, so it should probably be read after "catching up" to the newest comic, as it contains many spoilers.)

Social Media and News Links
Phil Foglio's new Wordpress art, news, and blogging website. (http://girlgeniusadventures.com/)
Kaja Foglio's LJ Page (http://kajafoglio.livejournal.com/) and Studio Foglio News LJ Page (http://studiofoglio.livejournal.com/) (Not currently being updated)
Kaja & Phil's Personal Facebook Page (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kaja-Phil-Foglio/196305144555) (Not currently being updated)
A twitter account that basically is a catch-all feed for Girl Genius related news. (http://twitter.com/girlgenius)
Cheyenne Wright's Twitter (http://twitter.com/CheyenneWright) and LiveJournal Accounts (http://cheyennewright.livejournal.com/) (The colorist's twitter and LJ pages)
And finally,
Phil's old LJ page. (http://philfoglio.livejournal.com/) (Occasionally contains crossposts from the Wordpress website)

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Q: What is this "Sneaky Gate" y'alls go on about?

Sneaky gate: Named from this hidden gate in comic (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20071219), it has become a name for viewing new comics early. Remember, if you're going to discuss the new comic, put it in spoiler boxes until the release time (12am EST).

Sneaky Gate 101:

Right click the comic image.
Select view image or copy paste the image location into the address bar.
Modify the date to be the day you're trying to look at. (ex. 20120111 -> 20120113)
Go to the modified url.
Be disappointed when there's no early comic to read.
Alternately, enjoy the comic!

Kantaki

2017-07-07, 05:19 AM

Oneris

2017-07-07, 05:50 AM

The coloring on this page looks weird, like some of the line art ended up on the wrong layer or was left transparent. The Lady Curator in the middle panel looks especially odd.

eee

2017-07-07, 07:01 AM

New comic

Is Red Monocle someone I should remember?
He seems to be funny if ge thinks the Library could have stopped the Heterodyne without sustaining inacceptable losses.
All the beautiful books that would have been destroyed...

That and the wonderful summary of Agatha's accomblishments in the City of Light so far are exellent reasons why the librarians „let“ her leave.

He's the head of security there. He had a fit when Agatha first arrived, and now he's having a fit because she's left. I suspect it is his position that she should have never been let in, in the first place.

I see Aldin is wearing clothes again.

No mention yet of whatever it was he and Larana went to such pains to get. Maybe it's too secret for the head of security.

Shining Wrath

2017-07-07, 07:03 AM

I think the sepia tone is a "flashback" by the Lady Curator.
I don't recall seeing the guy, evidently a member of the library staff since he calls them "our secrets", who dislikes Agatha so.

He has a very "I set up the Lord High Conservator to be killed and I'm working for someone, possibly Grandma Sturmvaraous" vibe to me.

stsasser

2017-07-07, 07:03 AM

The coloring on this page looks weird, like some of the line art ended up on the wrong layer or was left transparent. The Lady Curator in the middle panel looks especially odd.

I can't see anything past van Rijn's ridiculous grin. :smallbiggrin:

Traab

2017-07-07, 08:38 AM

And as per usual agatha leaves behind strongly split opinions because she does good work, but trouble is always around her.

Shining Wrath

2017-07-07, 09:03 AM

And as per usual agatha leaves behind strongly split opinions because she does good work, but trouble is always around her.

It's almost as though she's the protagonist in an adventure story.

Agatha is in roughly the same position as Jessica in "Murder, She Wrote" - she never murders anyone, but everywhere she goes, death follows.

Rogar Demonblud

2017-07-07, 11:13 AM

You can make a better argument for Jessica Fletcher being the murderer, and the criminal-of-the-week being a patsy, than you can that she just happens to be around for all those murders. Plus, Cabot Cove has a per capita murder rate that makes the Mexican Drug War look sedate.

Anyone else expecting a newly minted wasp eater to suddenly show up and go "SHREEEEE!!!" at that guy?

eschmenk

2017-07-07, 12:31 PM

Anyone else expecting a newly minted wasp eater to suddenly show up and go "SHREEEEE!!!" at that guy?

Agatha's didn't react to him. (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20160125) He could have been wasped since then, but I don't particularly expect it.

Shining Wrath

2017-07-07, 03:28 PM

Agatha's didn't react to him. (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20160125) He could have been wasped since then, but I don't particularly expect it.

To be fair, he's looking at a Slaver Wasp Engine from about 10 inches away in the last panel. :smallbiggrin:

eschmenk

2017-07-07, 05:48 PM

To be fair, he's looking at a Slaver Wasp Engine from about 10 inches away in the last panel. :smallbiggrin:

Yeah, but he would have been safe enough if Larana hadn't smacked the globe down on its "Activate" button.

Scarlet Knight

2017-07-08, 04:57 AM

It's almost as though she's the protagonist in an adventure story.

Agatha is in roughly the same position as Jessica in "Murder, She Wrote" - she never murders anyone, but everywhere she goes, death follows.

Agatha Stormcrow?

geoduck

2017-07-08, 06:23 AM

He's the head of security there. He had a fit when Agatha first arrived, and now he's having a fit because she's left. I suspect it is his position that she should have never been let in, in the first place.

I see Aldin is wearing clothes again.

No mention yet of whatever it was he and Larana went to such pains to get. Maybe it's too secret for the head of security.

While he's obviously concerned about security, I don't think at any point it's said it's officially his job.

I do hope this is where we learn what Aldin and Larana were looking for in the crypts.

eschmenk

2017-07-08, 08:01 AM

While he's obviously concerned about security, I don't think at any point it's said it's officially his job.

Yes, he is just referred to as the "Deputy Archivist," AFAIK.

I do hope this is where we learn what Aldin and Larana were looking for in the crypts.

Me, too, in part because that led to Jiminez doubting Larana's love for him. Some readers complained that the romantic subplot seemed fake and superfluous. I wasn't bothered that much, but I would like to see it supported better.

eee

2017-07-10, 07:25 AM

stsasser

2017-07-10, 09:56 AM

It looks like a Big Reveal coming tomorrow when we finally learn what Aldin got. But probably not what it does.

And that's a fair summery of how things have hit the fan. Although technically, Agatha / Lucrezia ARE responsible for a lot of it.

It looks like a hiatus/intemission/side story coming.. We do know that Aldin got the Heart of the Muse, but don't know what it is/does.

As the Kickstarter has already tripled it's goal amount of $50,000, playing a new video game may be exactly what Katja plans on doing for the next week or so.

Shining Wrath

2017-07-10, 10:56 AM

It looks as though the Heart of the Muse is either above them, or really big. But it was something that could be casually picked up, so I'm guessing it floats due to its Immense Sparky Power that is going to cause Something to Happen.

geoduck

2017-07-10, 04:53 PM

Divayth Fyr

2017-07-10, 05:02 PM

I'd guess it's been plugged into/is powering some larger structure or object.
The Muse of War, a battle clank so powerful it was turned off and its power source was hidden.

eschmenk

2017-07-10, 09:01 PM

It looks like a hiatus/intemission/side story coming.

If you are referring to the extra panels at the bottom, they are old. They are originally from Revenge of the Weasel Queen (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070827). It can be a lot of fun when Kaja publishes alternate versions of panels.

stsasser

2017-07-10, 10:13 PM

If you are referring to the extra panels at the bottom, they are old. They are originally from Revenge of the Weasel Queen (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070827). It can be a lot of fun when Kaja publishes alternate versions of panels.

Nice recycling there, Fogllios. :smallsmile:

Its previous use does reinforce my sense that a break in the main story will appear Wednesday.

Ellen

2017-07-11, 11:15 PM

Well, that's not remotely ominous. . . .

Speaking of, which, if any, lords are still alive/not entirely dead who might return who could decide to use a Muse of Vengeance?

keybounce

2017-07-11, 11:36 PM

120 pages, a splash page, and we just had a summary. I think we've reached the end of Part 2 Vol 4.

Douglas

2017-07-11, 11:46 PM

Well, that's not remotely ominous. . . .

Speaking of, which, if any, lords are still alive/not entirely dead who might return who could decide to use a Muse of Vengeance?
I would guess the Lord High Conservator, top leader of the Library, is who she's referring to.

JavaScribe

2017-07-11, 11:53 PM

Did whoever built that cage make a spelling error?

Kantaki

2017-07-11, 11:56 PM

The Muse of Vengeance:smalleek:
Even without the name activating that thing seems like a bad idea.
That design promises she will leave nothing in her wake.

If she is activated I would recommend some activity that keeps you far away and safe, library staff.
Something like a expedition to the Americas.:smallamused:

Lethologica

2017-07-12, 03:11 AM

It's going to be awkward when the Library discovers what happened to said Lord High Conservator.

Scaleybob

2017-07-12, 03:39 AM

Looking at the page number (#120) and the very ominous, and Cliffhangery end to this, is this the end of Book 4?

Did Gil have any story time at all in this volume? I can't remember seeing him for ages.

Shining Wrath

2017-07-12, 10:21 AM

So, that needs a label that says "Break glass in case of very, very, very serious emergency".
Also, the Library has not yet learned the Lord High Conservator is dead at the hands of Sturmvaraous Smoke Knights, working for Grandma.

Tyrrell

2017-07-12, 10:27 AM

I don't believe that he did. The last I recall he had figured out that Tarvek had not been taken underground.

found it, September 5 2015, http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20160905#.WWY_noTyuM9 so just before the first page of act 2 book four.

Divayth Fyr

2017-07-12, 03:54 PM

Seems I wasn't that far off... No way this could lead to more troubles, no way indeed ;)

The Muse of War, a battle clank so powerful it was turned off and its power source was hidden.

Ellen

2017-07-12, 11:37 PM

The problem in a world inhabited by Sparks is that the "Godzilla Option" (something enough like Godzilla that you only use it if things are so bad a monster that destroys Tokyo in ten minutes cannot possibly make things worse and actually could make them better) gets used when someone says, "Wow, this would be COOL."

Rockphed

2017-07-13, 12:30 AM

Douglas

2017-07-13, 01:46 AM

I just noticed, this is not the Muse of Vengeance, but rather the Muse of Vengance. Anyone care to guess what "vengance" means? Is it a name, maybe? Yes, I know, almost certainly just a typo.

Celestia

2017-07-13, 02:38 AM

Hey all. I recently refund this webcomic. I'd read it many years ago, but then I stopped for a reason I can't recall. Anyways, I binged the archives and got caught up again. In this reading, I have developed a fan theory. I have no idea of anyone else has stated it before, but whatever.

Agatha is not, as she claims, the daughter of Bill. Why? Well, the main reason is that when she first got to Mechanicsburg, no one believed her. More than that, they were surprised by her being a her. Plus, we even saw the grave of Bill's kid, so how could that be Agatha?

Now, the castle has genetically confirmed that she is a Heterodyne, and Lucrezia, herself, has confirmed that Agatha is her daughter. So, if Bill isn't the father, who is? Well, Barry. We already know that he and Agatha have a relationship. Sure, she called him "Uncle," but she also called Punch and Judy "Dad" and "Mom." Her perspective of her childhood is unreliable.

Lastly, Agatha is too old to be a second child of Bill's from after the attack on the castle, and we are told that Bill basically went crazy after that, anyways. However, her being a secret child from Barry would work just fine. And we know that Lucrezia isn't really into that "monogamy" thing as she slept with Klaus while engaged to Bill.

So, my theory is that Lucrezia was having an affair with Barry and had a kid with him shortly after the kid with Bill. Agatha was kept secret from everyone, and after the attack on the castle, Barry escaped with her, gave her to Punch and Judy, and then played the role of "uncle."

halfeye

2017-07-13, 09:34 AM

Rockphed

2017-07-13, 09:35 AM

Lastly, Agatha is too old to be a second child of Bill's from after the attack on the castle, and we are told that Bill basically went crazy after that, anyways. However, her being a secret child from Barry would work just fine. And we know that Lucrezia isn't really into that "monogamy" thing as she slept with Klaus while engaged to Bill.

I hate to break it to you, but women have much smaller windows of fertility than men (often on the order of 20 - 30 years for women compared to 50 - 60 years for men). And while Lucrezia isn't in to the whole monogamy thing, I think Barry was a) a serial monogamist, and b) unlikely to help his best friend's wife cheat on her husband. Also, while Bill's reaction to the destruction of Castle Heterodyne was more hysterical, he and Barry were constantly in the center of the action afterwards. I don't think Bill looks out-of-it crazy. (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070817#.WWeFDTVvCSo)

eschmenk

2017-07-13, 12:01 PM

The internal chronology on the GG wiki (http://girlgenius.wikia.com/wiki/Internal_Chronology) assumes that Lucrezia was already pregnant with Lucrezia Agatha when Castle Heterodyne was damaged. I've made the same assumption. That doesn't seem to cause a problem with Agatha's age. Presumably, Bill really is Agatha's father.

I don't believe that he did. The last I recall he had figured out that Tarvek had not been taken underground.

found it, September 5 2015, http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20160905#.WWY_noTyuM9 so just before the first page of act 2 book four.

Additionally, the GG wiki lists each page in the chapter (http://girlgenius.wikia.com/wiki/Chronology_-_Volume_2-4) and includes which characters appeared on each page. Gil is only listed as appearing in some non-canonical pages.

Rogar Demonblud

2017-07-13, 12:24 PM

The internal chronology on the GG wiki (http://girlgenius.wikia.com/wiki/Internal_Chronology) assumes that Lucrezia was already pregnant with Lucrezia when Castle Heterodyne was damaged. I've made the same assumption. That doesn't seem to cause a problem with Agatha's age. Presumably, Bill really is Agatha's father.

I think you mean Lucrezia was pregnant with Agatha. Being pregnant with herself is excessive even for the timey-wimey mad science this comic specializes in.

The Glyphstone

2017-07-13, 01:11 PM

I think you mean Lucrezia was pregnant with Agatha. Being pregnant with herself is excessive even for the timey-wimey mad science this comic specializes in.

I mean with the personality transfer/copy in Agatha's head, it is technically accurate. The second Lucrezia just had a temporary occupant until she could take possession of 'her' body.

geoduck

2017-07-13, 07:14 PM

The Foglios have stated in real life, forcefully, that Agatha is Bill and Lucrezia's daughter. No cheating with anyone, no time-travel, no clones. Although that doesn't eliminate the possibility that Lucrezia somehow made sure Agatha was female..

Also, while on Castle Heterodyne, Klaus notes that it would be "a surprise" if Barry had any children.

And the Wiki is put together by fans, myself among them. As far as I am aware, the Foglios have never directly contributed anything to it, and nothing there should be taken as gospel.

Ellen

2017-07-13, 11:06 PM

Also, while on Castle Heterodyne, Klaus notes that it would be "a surprise" if Barry had any children.

Klaus actually asked if she were "a surprise on Barry's part". I understood that to mean an illegitimate child (the mom shows up with the baby: "Surprise!") or, at the very least, the child of a marriage Barry forgot to mention ("Nobody told me what the ceremony was till it was over! Or maybe they did, but I was still working the bugs out of the universal translator.")

The Muse of Vengeance is also the Muse of Autocorrect. An E has been added.

(Edited so "Must of Autocorrect" is "Muse of Autocorrect." This is also "Irony of Autocorrect" but that's another story)

Douglas

2017-07-13, 11:10 PM

the Must of Autocorrect
Muphry's Law strikes again.

The letters at and past that E look a little cramped to me. I'm guessing they tried to pack it in with minimum rearrangement of existing letters.

geoduck

2017-07-14, 12:08 AM

Klaus actually asked if she were "a surprise on Barry's part". I understood that to mean an illegitimate child (the mom shows up with the baby: "Surprise!") or, at the very least, the child of a marriage Barry forgot to mention ("Nobody told me what the ceremony was till it was over! Or maybe they did, but I was still working the bugs out of the universal translator.")

That would still indicate that as far as Klaus knew, Barry was, for whatever reason, not planning on having any children.

Giggling Ghast

2017-07-14, 01:56 AM

I wonder if Colette's arms are getting tired.

Kareasint

2017-07-14, 07:10 AM

Now those are body guards.

Ellen

2017-07-14, 09:56 AM

That would still indicate that as far as Klaus knew, Barry was, for whatever reason, not planning on having any children.

Europa's sexual ethics range from Victorian to modern to B-movie, but the take I have on them is that a child born outside of marriage would be treated as unexpected or a surprise to the family even when no was surprised at all. The Jager gernerals debated whether Agatha could be Bill or Barry's illegitimate child when they first met her and considered it possible if not likely, whether that was because they figured the boys would adhere to only-in-marriage rules or would use contraception.

Long story short: I think Klaus was using "surprise" as a euphemism.

Yes, I could be wrong. But, I need stronger evidence to move the idea of Barry being unable/unwilling to have children from "speculation" to "likely."

ElFi

2017-07-14, 08:42 PM

geoduck

2017-07-15, 09:30 PM

Anybody else noticing that woman in the center of the crowd who has a mane of red hair that bears a notable similarity to Zulenna's? We haven't seen her in hundreds of pages, sure, but Klaus was planning on reviving her at some point after she was killed by Bang.

(Also, hi, fellow GG fans. This is my first time on this particular part of the forum.)

I wouldn't read too much into crowd details, since there's no one who looks remotely like Tweedle. It should be noted, though, that Zulenna's home was mentioned a while back as one that has fallen to the Queen of the Dawn. (The public story being that she "brought peace" to it and its hostile neighbor.)

Rockphed

2017-07-16, 11:59 PM

Ah, missed title opportunities: "Ultimate Demimonde".

otakuryoga

2017-07-17, 01:06 AM

Ah, missed title opportunities: "Ultimate Demimonde".

no..i think that title is taken by the whole Kardashian family

i actually never heard of this word before..but it seems coined so perfectly for them....

multilis

2017-07-17, 01:38 AM

The Foglios have stated in real life, forcefully, that Agatha is Bill and Lucrezia's daughter. No cheating with anyone, no time-travel, no clones.
However if in future Agatha married Klaus and Gil married Lucrezia, then Agatha could end up being her own grandma.

Douglas

2017-07-17, 02:32 AM

However if in future Agatha married Klaus and Gil married Lucrezia, then Agatha could end up being her own grandma.
Yes, but it wouldn't be a blood relationship. Also, it's a technicality that could be true for any arbitrary combination of parent/child pairs, even in the real world and with no shenanigans besides the choice of marriages.

geoduck

2017-07-17, 05:13 AM

Yes, but it wouldn't be a blood relationship. Also, it's a technicality that could be true for any arbitrary combination of parent/child pairs, even in the real world and with no shenanigans besides the choice of marriages.

I'm My Own Grandpa. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3CvRC4fAmk)

Shining Wrath

2017-07-17, 06:21 AM

Could Martellus look more like an insincere scheming lout in the last panel? If he tried really hard?

Looks dubious.

"I owe you a debt and so I will not have you killed". LN power politics exemplified. In the meantime, Grandma is busy getting Zola out of Paris alive, and Tarvek and Mr. Obsidian are having a delightful conversation, no doubt.

eee

2017-07-17, 06:50 AM

Naw, go ahead and kill him, Colette; we'll all feel much better.

SlyGuyMcFly

2017-07-17, 07:43 AM

Could Martellus look more like an insincere scheming lout in the last panel? If he tried really hard?

Looks dubious.

I'm not sure, but it'd be easy to bait him into trying! :smalltongue:

BannedInSchool

2017-07-17, 08:13 AM

Being friends means you feint with friendliness before the dagger in the back. :smallwink:

stsasser

2017-07-17, 10:38 AM

Naw, go ahead and kill him, Colette; we'll all feel much better.

She can see and assess him. If she kills him, what unknown comes up in his place?

I thought Tarvek might still be a viable candidate, depending on who knows about his temporary death, but that is not going to be accepted as the default by the other potential claimants and intra-familial warfare at this time does not help Collette or Europe.

Porthos

2017-07-17, 01:39 PM

Naw, go ahead and kill him, Colette; we'll all feel much better.

It isn't worth jeopardizing Paris' neutrality and autonomy on this bug. Plus it sets a bad Hetrodyne-ish tone for a new ruler making sure continuity is being maintained.

Instead just prepare for the inevitable 'betrayal' and squish him like the bug he is then. :smallamused:

Shining Wrath

2017-07-17, 01:44 PM

It isn't worth jeopardizing Paris' neutrality and autonomy on this bug. Plus it sets a bad Hetrodyne-ish tone for a new ruler making sure continuity is being maintained.

Instead just prepare for the inevitable 'betrayal' and squish him like the bug he is then. :smallamused:

Colette may well believe that there's no way Tweedle can hold the throne without help, and she's better served negotiating with his Grandmother. For example, if the all-seeing Master of Paris saw Grandma helping Zola, and can prove it, that may give her a hold on Grandma, and therefore on both Tweedle and Tarvek.

We have a couple of plus-sized Chekov's guns incoming: Gil/Bang, and Higgs/Vole. It would seem to be a shame to have them show up just to talk about Agatha's next move.

Porthos

2017-07-17, 02:10 PM

Colette may well believe that there's no way Tweedle can hold the throne without help, and she's better served negotiating with his Grandmother. For example, if the all-seeing Master of Paris saw Grandma helping Zola, and can prove it, that may give her a hold on Grandma, and therefore on both Tweedle and Tarvek.

This dovetails nicely with Colette's background as a spy. She's suited for the cloak-and-dagger politics you describe here. Smashing her enemies and dancing on their graves just isn't her thing.

...

Not the season for it anyway. :smalltongue:

Shining Wrath

2017-07-17, 05:19 PM

This dovetails nicely with Colette's background as a spy. She's suited for the cloak-and-dagger politics you describe here. Smashing her enemies and dancing on their graves just isn't her thing.

...

Not the season for it anyway. :smalltongue:

Frightening thought: combine her father's absolute Sparky power over Paris and knowledge of what happens therein with a spy's devious cunning.

keybounce

2017-07-19, 12:16 AM

http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20170719

So Collette is not running Papa's Paris.

All of you must leave. Begone! You have proven yourself, but since I must close Paris to The Other and her agents, you must leave because I can't have friends help me.

I'm sorry, Collette is making no sense at all here. It might make sense if she could not trust these people -- better safe than sorry -- but I think that all of them are trustworthy.

I mean, what's wrong with Gil, Travek, a smoke knight, a couple of missing smoke knights, a trouble-magnet friend (yes, she'll help, but she'll attract trouble), that Grandmother, ...

Riiight. Ok, all of you out.

Rockphed

2017-07-19, 12:53 AM

I'm surprised Tarvek hasn't offered to help her with her wasp problem. Maybe Gil will.

geoduck

2017-07-19, 01:14 AM

I'm surprised Tarvek hasn't offered to help her with her wasp problem. Maybe Gil will.

I predict he's not even there, and that Mr. Obsidian dragged him away again involuntarily. There had to be some reason why Grandma's strong-arm kidnapping expert suddenly popped up again.

And Gil won't be allowed into the city. As Colette just said, the gates are sealed.

Douglas

2017-07-19, 01:21 AM

I mean, what's wrong with Gil, Travek, a smoke knight, a couple of missing smoke knights, a trouble-magnet friend (yes, she'll help, but she'll attract trouble), that Grandmother, ...

Riiight. Ok, all of you out.
Yeah, I think all of them are some combination of untrustworthy (Martellus and family) and/or trouble magnet (Agatha), and they're all so powerful that those traits make them very dangerous to have in the city. Also Agatha has The Other's voice, which brings up the possibility of her commanding the Revenants within Paris. Even if Colette trusts her, she might do it by accident or Lucrezia-in-Agatha might get temporary control, and that's a serious risk.

factotum

2017-07-19, 02:22 AM

I'm surprised Tarvek hasn't offered to help her with her wasp problem. Maybe Gil will.

Slaver wasps have been around for 20-odd years and nobody has yet figured out a way to get rid of the things--not even the Baron could do it. Why would Gil or Tarvek be in any better position to solve that problem than all the other Sparks who have presumably tried and failed?

Douglas

2017-07-19, 03:03 AM

Slaver wasps have been around for 20-odd years and nobody has yet figured out a way to get rid of the things--not even the Baron could do it. Why would Gil or Tarvek be in any better position to solve that problem than all the other Sparks who have presumably tried and failed?
Access to information passed through Tarvek's family from their original association with Lucrezia, which was never used to study un-wasping people before because they wanted to build better wasps instead? Such information has already been used by Gil (given to him by Tarvek) to develop a wasp-proofing formula which he used on Bang.

Dexam

2017-07-19, 03:17 AM

Yeah, I think all of them are some combination of untrustworthy (Martellus and family) and/or trouble magnet (Agatha), and they're all so powerful that those traits make them very dangerous to have in the city. Also Agatha has The Other's voice, which brings up the possibility of her commanding the Revenants within Paris. Even if Colette trusts her, she might do it by accident or Lucrezia-in-Agatha might get temporary control, and that's a serious risk.

The fact that they're so powerful also makes this a smart move by Colette - she's the new Master of Paris, and there's an immediate crisis affecting it; she needs to be seen to be the one acting on it and/or solving it if the populace are to have any faith in her ability to run the city. If the the Lady Heterodyne or the newly crowned Storm King are seen helping her, even tangentially, there will always be a level of doubt that Colette is just a puppet or figurehead.

Shining Wrath

2017-07-19, 06:46 AM

Well, this was necessary for the plot, so we'll let the competence of Colette's thinking slide. I wonder if this applies to the Deep Kingdoms? Is Paris closed vertically?

The Library is going to be peeved, no doubt.

I wonder what will happen when Gil/Band and Higgs/Vole arrive and are turned away?

eee

2017-07-19, 07:55 AM

Makes sense. It's harsh, but probably necessary for Paris' survival.

Access to information passed through Tarvek's family from their original association with Lucrezia, which was never used to study un-wasping people before because they wanted to build better wasps instead? Such information has already been used by Gil (given to him by Tarvek) to develop a wasp-proofing formula which he used on Bang.

Also, he worked with Lu-in-Agatha's-body in Strumhalten. He knows more about her technology than anyone else. That's how he was able to devise the wasp immunity potion, which Gil actually made and used (and is using). If anyone can figure out how to unwasp someone without killing them, it's probably him.

Rogar Demonblud

2017-07-19, 11:05 AM

Love the faces on the last panel. Completely and utterly gobsmacked.

And is that Oggie trying to eat the one guy's hat?

Hurkyl

2017-07-19, 01:07 PM

And is that Oggie trying to eat the one guy's hat?
That was my reaction too.

Oggie was noticeably eyeing the rather impressive hat in the previous strip, though; I imagine he was trying to steal it to replace his current placeholder hat.

eschmenk

2017-07-20, 08:37 AM

That was my reaction too.

Oggie was noticeably eyeing the rather impressive hat in the previous strip, though; I imagine he was trying to steal it to replace his current placeholder hat.

In the latest strip, maybe the guy was giving it to Oggie?

Shining Wrath

2017-07-21, 12:02 PM

Voluntary or not, Oggie has the hat.
And suddenly, <name forgotten> appears with a "You must go to England!" message, in the best let's-get-on-with-the-plot tradition.

Colette's "We're all friends but I'm exiling you from my city!" message makes a little more sense in the context of "The Other is everywhere!".

keybounce

2017-07-21, 02:38 PM

I'm sorry Agatha, but your Lantern is in another Continent.

... Just so ... Mario-ish :-)

Grey_Wolf_c

2017-07-21, 07:36 PM

I'm sorry Agatha, but your Lantern is in another Continent.

Point of order: despite what many in England seem to believe, they are not in a different continent from Paris.

GW

Traab

2017-07-21, 07:38 PM

Point of order: despite what many in England seem to believe, they are not in a different continent from Paris.

GW

Indeed, england is an island in the GGverse. Not even remotely large enough to be a continent.

stsasser

2017-07-21, 08:21 PM

Indeed, england is an island in the GGverse. Not even remotely large enough to be a continent.

To be fair, the English in the Late Victorian regarded BE as the entire world and everything else as mingy little bits clinging to it.

eschmenk

2017-07-21, 08:29 PM

Indeed, england is an island in the GGverse. Not even remotely large enough to be a continent.

Much of England is underwater according to an old map. There are a number of islands that poke out of the water that may still be considered to be part of England, but I think England is generally considered to be submerged.

Traab

2017-07-21, 08:56 PM

Much of England is underwater according to an old map. There are a number of islands that poke out of the water that may still be considered to be part of England, but I think England is generally considered to be submerged.

I suppose technically we could be dealing with a naboo run by an eternal vampire queen, underwater living gungans and all.

stsasser

2017-07-21, 09:26 PM

I suppose technically we could be dealing with a naboo run by an eternal vampire queen, underwater living gungans and all.

Summon Bigger Clank!

keybounce

2017-07-21, 10:07 PM

I suppose technically we could be dealing with a naboo run by an eternal vampire queen, underwater living gungans and all.

Summon Bigger Clank!

In this universe, this is very, very possible.

SlyGuyMcFly

2017-07-22, 05:20 AM

Summon Bigger Clank!

This is exactly how some of GG's battles play out.

petersohn

2017-07-22, 10:17 AM

This is exactly how somemost of GG's battles play out.

Corrected for you.

Porthos

2017-07-23, 10:51 PM

I swear, the Foglios are having them leave Paris now just to spite me and my prior comments. :smalltongue:

Sneaky Gate:

That poor poor Fourth Wall, though. :smallfrown: Not as abused as the one in OotSlandia, but still...

Also, dollars to doughnuts that we get to see what the Circus crew is up to. :smallsmile:

The Glyphstone

2017-07-23, 11:24 PM

Damage control parties to the fourth wall.

geoduck

2017-07-24, 12:12 AM

Sneaky Gate:

That poor poor Fourth Wall, though. :smallfrown: Not as abused as the one in OotSlandia, but still...

Also, dollars to doughnuts that we get to see what the Circus crew is up to. :smallsmile:

The Foglios announced at one point that after England Agatha and Co. are heading to Africa. if this is still true, I predict that circus member Embi will reveal something about his homeland that will prompt the journey. The most likely cause would be some sort of functioning portal.

factotum

2017-07-24, 02:16 AM

Maybe I is dumb, but I didn't see anything particularly fourth wall breaking in this strip?

Lethologica

2017-07-24, 02:33 AM

Maybe I is dumb, but I didn't see anything particularly fourth wall breaking in this strip?
Wooster has been trying to convince Agatha to go to England for years. Just not their years.

Douglas

2017-07-24, 03:14 AM

Wooster has been trying to convince Agatha to go to England for years. Just not their years.
Actually, as I recall he started before Klaus put his time bubble on Mechanicsburg, so if you count time outside the bubble he's been trying for over 2.5 years of in-comic time.

factotum

2017-07-24, 06:29 AM

Yeah, from Wooster's viewpoint it *is* years that he's been trying to get her over there, even if it isn't from Agatha's.

petersohn

2017-07-24, 07:44 AM

So it's Leaning on the Fourth Wall (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LeaningOnTheFourthWall), then.

Shining Wrath

2017-07-24, 09:28 AM

I find the concept of "licensed smuggler" interesting.
What's the point of meeting a Smoke Knight at the dock? She can hide herself, and presumably Zardilev, inside someone's shirt pocket.

eschmenk

2017-07-24, 09:41 AM

Yeah, from Wooster's viewpoint it *is* years that he's been trying to get her over there, even if it isn't from Agatha's.

But Agatha was the one doing the talking and the Foglios have made similar jokes before, so I think it was intended to be a joke.

I find the concept of "licensed smuggler" interesting.
What's the point of meeting a Smoke Knight at the dock? She can hide herself, and presumably Zardilev, inside someone's shirt pocket.

A licensed smuggler is probably somewhat analogous to a privateer. Regarding Madwa, I guess we'll just have to see how good the British are.

stsasser

2017-07-24, 10:07 AM

Heh. Nice wink to the audience.

eee

2017-07-24, 12:24 PM

I find the concept of "licensed smuggler" interesting.
What's the point of meeting a Smoke Knight at the dock? She can hide herself, and presumably Zardilev, inside someone's shirt pocket.

The British may have their own Smoke Knights.

They have have something BETTER than Smoke Knights.

Shining Wrath

2017-07-24, 01:44 PM

The British may have their own Smoke Knights.

They have have something BETTER than Smoke Knights.

The name is Bond. James Bond. Licensed to Capture Smoke Knights. :smallbiggrin:

Manga Shoggoth

2017-07-24, 03:18 PM

The name is Bond. James Bond. Licensed to Capture Smoke Knights. :smallbiggrin:

What? No love for Trelawney Thorpe, Spark of the Realm?

Rogar Demonblud

2017-07-24, 09:44 PM

A 'licensed smuggler' is, historically, someone who has bribed the right people so their activities will be ignored by the authorities. Governments (intelligence agencies especially) find them useful for making sure the right cargo goes to the right people in the right country (the Soviets got a lot of mileage out of smuggled caviar).

Aquillion

2017-07-24, 10:35 PM

Maybe I is dumb, but I didn't see anything particularly fourth wall breaking in this strip?From Agatha's perspective, his initial invitation to visit Paris happened roughly a week ago - maybe a few days more or less depending on the travel time to Mechanicsburg and between Mechanicsburg and Paris, but no more than a matter of days overall. Everything in Mechanicsburg happened over the course of two days, then she took a quick train ride to Paris with a brief (<1 day) interruption, and she's been in Paris for less than three days. Plus maybe another day when she was recovered after falling through the gate?

The joke is that years have passed in the real world. (Although also in comic due to the timeskip, but Agatha didn't experience that.)

keybounce

2017-07-25, 01:50 AM

Can you imagine the spark-nature of Q? At least, if we have a Bond?

petersohn

2017-07-25, 01:56 AM

Forget it.

eee

2017-07-25, 08:13 AM

Can you imagine the spark-nature of Q? At least, if we have a Bond?

He's not a Spark now? :smallconfused:

petersohn

2017-07-25, 01:34 PM

Wooster? He didn't seem very sparky so far. Though, who knows? Maybe he is one of the more level-headed ones.

...

Oh right. English.

Kantaki

2017-07-25, 02:26 PM

Wooster? He didn't seem very sparky so far. Though, who knows? Maybe he is one of the more level-headed ones.
...

Oh right. English.

Not Wooster. Q. The gadgeteer who builds 007's toys.

Shining Wrath

2017-07-25, 03:20 PM

Not Wooster. Q. The gadgeteer who builds 007's toys.

Now that it's come up, I shall be horribly disappointed in the Foglio's if Wooster doesn't have a Q-type Spark building gadgets for him.

petersohn

2017-07-25, 04:02 PM

Not Wooster. Q. The gadgeteer who builds 007's toys.
Q, or at least GG's equivalent of Q, is obviously a spark. We haven't seen him (or her?) yet, though. But I think we will, and soon (for some definition of soon, at least).

SZbNAhL

2017-07-25, 05:23 PM

Now that it's come up, I shall be horribly disappointed in the Foglio's if Wooster doesn't have a Q-type Spark building gadgets for him.

As fun as that would be, does Wooster actually have any gadgets? The only thing I can think of off-hand that even comes close is this propeller thingy (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20100830#.WXfESumQzIU), and unless I'm misreading that panel, it's just a convenient rope-cutting device.

schmunzel

2017-07-25, 06:44 PM

Rockphed

2017-07-25, 11:04 PM

New page is up.

Next Thread Title Watch: "Not Allowed to Talk to my Friends"
Alternatively: "Our Children Will Be Magnificent"
Or: "The Clothiers of Paris"

stsasser

2017-07-26, 01:22 AM

Shouldn't tha speech bubble be pointed toward Violetta?

factotum

2017-07-26, 01:36 AM

Shouldn't tha speech bubble be pointed toward Violetta?

Yeah, I noticed that too.

Kantaki

2017-07-26, 01:53 AM

„No exploding”.:smallbiggrin:
I'm not sure if that sign is a wise idea.
Some Sparks might consider it a challenge.:smallbiggrin:

And Seffie simply ignores it.:smallamused:

Shining Wrath

2017-07-26, 10:59 AM

I have not been able to find out who "Carla Hennes" might be.

It appears that Tarvek is no longer in Paris. Neither, I suspect, is Zola; nor Grandma. All three may be together, traveling to some hideout. If Grandma wanted Tarvek dead, he'd already be dead. If she doesn't, then she probably has a use for him - and if you think about it, Obsidian is a very fine bodyguard indeed.

geoduck

2017-07-26, 03:41 PM

I have not been able to find out who "Carla Hennes" might be.

There's a gal by that name who goes to scifi conventions and is/was a member of a Renaissance-themed singing group. I'm guessing she's a friend of the Foglios.

factotum

2017-07-26, 04:16 PM

It appears that Tarvek is no longer in Paris. Neither, I suspect, is Zola; nor Grandma. All three may be together, traveling to some hideout.

I think that unlikely, if only because we saw Tarvek a few strips ago (he was the one putting "pants on Paris", as the thread title says) and he seems throughout to have been working with Colette, whereas Zola and perhaps Grandma are both working against her. In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Tarvek is in the process of hiding aboard the airship so he can accompany Agatha to England without her knowledge.

Divayth Fyr

2017-07-26, 04:20 PM

I think that unlikely, if only because we saw Tarvek a few strips ago (he was the one putting "pants on Paris", as the thread title says) and he seems throughout to have been working with Colette, whereas Zola and perhaps Grandma are both working against her. In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Tarvek is in the process of hiding aboard the airship so he can accompany Agatha to England without her knowledge.

Considering a certain Mr. Obsidian appeared just as Tarvek was going to change clothes and go to meet Agatha, I'd imagine Grandma forcing him to do something for her (possibly involving Zola's safety) more likely.

eee

2017-07-26, 05:17 PM

It's kind of nice to see Seffie considers Agatha a friend, of sorts. Of sorts: If you parse what she says, she doesn't actually say she DOESN'T know where Tarvek is, just that there's no new news and that Collette can't find him.

Deceivers like to lie by telling the truth. It makes things more convenient.

(I wonder if anyone's stowed away in one of those trunks...)

There's a gal by that name who goes to scifi conventions and is/was a member of a Renaissance-themed singing group. I'm guessing she's a friend of the Foglios.

Her Twitter account is Carla Hennes @ tempesthennes, and the Tempest is the name of the airship in the dock. There are coincidences, and then there's non-coincidences.

eschmenk

2017-07-26, 06:55 PM

It's kind of nice to see Seffie considers Agatha a friend, of sorts. Of sorts: If you parse what she says, she doesn't actually say she DOESN'T know where Tarvek is, just that there's no new news and that Collette can't find him.

I think Seffie is thinking more of Agatha as a prospective sister in law. Martellus is allowed to talk with Agatha, but not to Seffie's friends, so that implies not a friend. But yes, you are right about what Seffie wasn't saying about what she knows or suspects regarding Tarvek. Also the advice about Agatha forgetting Tarvek may have been self serving.

I think that unlikely, if only because we saw Tarvek a few strips ago (he was the one putting "pants on Paris", as the thread title says) and he seems throughout to have been working with Colette, whereas Zola and perhaps Grandma are both working against her. In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Tarvek is in the process of hiding aboard the airship so he can accompany Agatha to England without her knowledge.

Why would Tarvek hide from Agatha and Colette? It couldn't have taken him very long to find decent clothing. I'm pretty sure that Mr. Obsidian kidnapped him again. If Tarvek managed to get away, he might have hidden himself so he could escape with Agatha, but I think that's a long shot.

Rogar Demonblud

2017-07-26, 08:04 PM

I think Seffie is thinking more of Agatha as a prospective sister in law. Martellus is allowed to talk with Agatha, but not to Seffie's friends, so that implies not a friend. But yes, you are right about what Seffie wasn't saying about what she knows or suspects regarding Tarvek. Also the advice about Agatha forgetting Tarvek may have been self serving.

I take it you don't have a little sister. Seffie's line about not talking to her friends actually says she likely considers Agatha a friend (as much as said concept exists between rival Spark families). The oafish remarks Tweedle keeps making (here, reducing Agatha to a brood mare) are why he's not allowed to speak to Seffie's friends--he's too embarrassing to have around. And he just embarrassed her in front of Agatha.

Plus, I'm pretty sure she's figured out that Agatha would much sooner gut Tweedle than marry him. Attempted strangulation aside, I don't think she wants anything bad to happen to her brother. But she needs to steer Agatha away from Tarvek to protect the position of her side of the family. Which unfortunately means implicitly giving the Heterodyne a steer back towards Gilgamesh Wulfenbach.

Dynastic politics are the only thing I know of that can compete with high school clique status wars.

multilis

2017-07-26, 08:55 PM

I take it you don't have a little sister. Seffie's line about not talking to her friends actually says she likely considers Agatha a friend (as much as said concept exists between rival Spark families). The oafish remarks Tweedle keeps making (here, reducing Agatha to a brood mare) are why he's not allowed to speak to Seffie's friends--he's too embarrassing to have around. And he just embarrassed her in front of Agatha.

Plus, I'm pretty sure she's figured out that Agatha would much sooner gut Tweedle than marry him. Attempted strangulation aside, I don't think she wants anything bad to happen to her brother. But she needs to steer Agatha away from Tarvek to protect the position of her side of the family. Which unfortunately means implicitly giving the Heterodyne a steer back towards Gilgamesh Wulfenbach.

Dynastic politics are the only thing I know of that can compete with high school clique status wars.
I think it goes back to beginning when Seffie left her brother while he was chasing Agatha because Tweedle was playing the brute and easier for Seffie to be diplomat that way... she wants to be good cop to Tweedles bad cop.

I think Seffie wants Gil, that means that Tweedle is good option for Agatha, and Tarvek is ok backup plan for Agatha, and Tweedle wants to kill Tarvek. Seffie is keeping her options open, and telling Tweedle he is hurting his chances. For the sake of "duty", "common good" she was already working on getting Gil to agree to marry her, she probably plans to stay on Agatha's good side to work out same "duty" with Tweedle+Agatha. Like Grandma she isn't just betting on one horse but trying to win no matter which of the 3 potential storm kings wins the race.

It is also possible that Seffie loves Gil unselfishly enough that she might actually help him get Agatha in the end so he his happy.

eschmenk

2017-07-26, 10:15 PM

I take it you don't have a little sister. Seffie's line about not talking to her friends actually says she likely considers Agatha a friend (as much as said concept exists between rival Spark families).
I have two younger sisters, actually. I have no idea why you would have thought I didn't.

Seffie is in love with Gil and is bitterly jealous of Agatha. Yes, she is afraid that Martellus might say something to her friends that would be as bad as what he said to Agatha, but she doesn't seem to consider Agatha to be a friend. Why would she?

It is also possible that Seffie loves Gil unselfishly enough that she might actually help him get Agatha in the end so he his happy.

I agreed with everything else you said, but I can't image Seffie being unselfish.

Wristlet Eater

2017-07-27, 07:55 AM

Seffie's line about not talking to her friends actually says she likely considers Agatha a friend (as much as said concept exists between rival Spark families).

I don't think they are really friends yet as in that case Seffie wouldn't let him talk to Agatha in the first place. Maybe almost there though as she is caring about him being embarrasing.

multilis

2017-07-27, 11:23 AM

I agreed with everything else you said, but I can't image Seffie being unselfish.
We already had Tarvek after all his scheming encourage Agatha and Gil to kiss so Gil had something to live for, so I can imagine Seffie being unselfish and helping Agatha getting Gil while secretly crying... not saying it is likely just possible, strong love can be a powerful influence.

Shining Wrath

2017-07-27, 11:51 AM

Tarvek seemed rather perturbed to find Mr. Obsidian a few feet away from him. I don't think he got to go where he wanted after that. It seems to be Obsidian's job to ensure that Tarvek goes where Grandma wants him to go.

When last seen, Grandma was taking Zola somewhere that Colette wouldn't be able to find her and crush her. Therefore, whether within Paris (doubtful) or without, Grandma can hide from Colette in all her Master of Paris glory. If Obsidian once again conveyed Tarvek to the tender mercies of his grandmother, that implies that Tarvek would likewise be unobservable by Colette.

I think it's simplest that the three are together; but simplicity is not a hallmark of Grandma's scheming.

Possible Grandma scheme: Force Zola and Tarvek to wed; thus making Tarvek also royalty (King of the Dawn) and a possible backup claimant as Storm King. Alternatively, if the Other wins via Zola, a Sturmvarous is now part of the ruling family of Europe. This takes Tarvek out of the running to be Agatha's consort as long as Zola lives .....

eee

2017-07-27, 12:05 PM

I have two younger sisters, actually. I have no idea why you would have thought I didn't.

Seffie is in love with Gil and is bitterly jealous of Agatha. Yes, she is afraid that Martellus might say something to her friends that would be as bad as what he said to Agatha, but she doesn't seem to consider Agatha to be a friend. Why would she?

I agreed with everything else you said, but I can't image Seffie being unselfish.

The trouble with trying to get Seffie's range is, we've never actually seen her innermost thoughts; and she is such a master deceiver we can't trust her public performance. We need a full blown unburdening of the heart, or her triumphant and dropping all guises, to figure her out. With Varpa her Smoke Knight MIA, we probably won't get the former; and I doubt we'll see the latter for a good long time.

geoduck

2017-07-27, 12:24 PM

The trouble with trying to get Seffie's range is, we've never actually seen her innermost thoughts; and she is such a master deceiver we can't trust her public performance. We need a full blown unburdening of the heart, or her triumphant and dropping all guises, to figure her out. With Varpa her Smoke Knight MIA, we probably won't get the former; and I doubt we'll see the latter for a good long time.

Yeah. The bit where she smashes her teacup in a rage is the closest we've come to seeing how she really feels about things. She has a deeply unhealthy romantic fixation on Gil. Everything else is guesswork.

eschmenk

2017-07-27, 02:01 PM

Yeah. The bit where she smashes her teacup in a rage is the closest we've come to seeing how she really feels about things. She has a deeply unhealthy romantic fixation on Gil. Everything else is guesswork.

It's not just her feelings for Gil; Seffie's feelings toward Agatha come across rather clearly on that page (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20151030), too. Unsurprisingly, it appears that Seffie is jealous of Agatha and wanted to make her look bad in front of Gil and everyone else. Seffie is overriding her emotions and acting more friendly toward Agatha than she feels.

eee

2017-07-28, 08:25 AM

THAT'S a good porter!

Aldin seems, very covertly and without getting into details like the Muse of Vengeance, to be trying to warn Agatha about the Library's failsafe plan. I wonder if she'll put two and two together.

It's nice to see Hoffmann and Larana have managed to overcome cluelessness and shyness so well...

Kantaki

2017-07-30, 05:22 AM

„I know. I had Madame Desmana send them explosives.”

To start the royal wedding with a assassination attempt under friends?:smallconfused:

Some Spark thing I guess.

Landis963

2017-07-30, 08:21 AM

„I know. I had Madame Desmana send them explosives.”

To start the royal wedding with a assassination attempt under friends?:smallconfused:

Some Spark thing I guess.

I was under the impression that these were not live explosives, i.e. Agatha sent them some C4 wrapped in ribbons as opposed to wires.

geoduck

2017-07-30, 11:34 AM

I was under the impression that these were not live explosives, i.e. Agatha sent them some C4 wrapped in ribbons as opposed to wires.

Yeah. Larana is an explosives expert. Or at least enthusiast.

Shining Wrath

2017-07-30, 06:47 PM

Yeah. Larana is an explosives expert. Or at least enthusiast.

Very hard to live long as an enthusiast without some expertise.

eschmenk

2017-07-31, 11:17 AM

New update (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20170731)

It feels kind of artificial to me. I'll guess it's the last page of the book.

Aldin was probably thinking of the Muse of Vengeance, which could be turned loose (thanks in part to Aldin) if Agatha acts like the old Heterodynes. I wonder if it will happen even if she doesn't. Lucrezia taking over Agatha could also trigger the library activating it. It seems a bit odd that it would be relevant if Agatha is leaving for England, though.

ADDED: Regarding a mistake a couple of pages ago:

Shouldn't tha speech bubble be pointed toward Violetta?

It's been fixed now. (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20170726)

halfeye

2017-07-31, 11:51 AM

Very hard to live long as an enthusiast without some expertise.

Yeah, but I think Miller counts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_10_from_Navarone_%28film%29

It's fiction of course.

Rogar Demonblud

2017-07-31, 12:36 PM

Actually, the character was based on someone MacLean knew who was an SBS veteran.

As always, the book is better than the movie, which is true of all the dozen or so movies based on his novels except Where Eagles Dare (the panoramic scenic shots being a blessing beyond compare).

keybounce

2017-08-01, 02:06 AM

Page 128, all plot lines at a stopping point, a full recap just happened, a big splash page showing the whole current cast ...

Yea, looks like an end of book page.

So new D&D, new GG, ...

factotum

2017-08-01, 02:18 AM

As always, the book is better than the movie, which is true of all the dozen or so movies based on his novels except Where Eagles Dare (the panoramic scenic shots being a blessing beyond compare).

Maybe that's because he wrote the novel and the screenplay for Where Eagles Dare at the same time, rather than the movie being adapted later from one of his novels?

Rogar Demonblud

2017-08-01, 05:14 PM

No, a big piece of it is how you can't get a lot of the twists from the book into a movie (caveat--they did a good job with the paranoia in Ice Station Zebra). And some things are probably completely unfilmable; HMS Ulysses and San Andreas are great stories, but no movie can express the element of time within them. There's a similar issue with some of Monsarrat's work, like HMS Marlborough Will Enter Harbour or The Kappilan of Malta.

factotum

2017-08-02, 02:07 AM

No, a big piece of it is how you can't get a lot of the twists from the book into a movie

Which would surely actually reinforce my point? Since he wrote the screenplay and the novel alongside each other he could make sure that he didn't include anything in the book that couldn't easily be transferred to the screen. I confess it's many, many years since I read the novel, though, so I'm probably not remembering any differences between it and the movie.

On an unrelated note, I notice the letterer listed for the filler strip today is M Lucie Chin. Is that the same M Lucie Chin who wrote "The Fairy of Ku-She"? It's a very unusual name so I'd be surprised if it was a different person...

Kantaki

2017-08-02, 08:12 AM

New comic (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20170802#.WYHH21i1KJs)

Well, ain't that a depressing thought...:smallbiggrin:

Rockphed

2017-08-02, 08:21 AM

New comic (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20170802#.WYHH21i1KJs)

Well, ain't that a depressing thought...:smallbiggrin:

This comic was penned in 1982 and has made the rounds on the internet before. Looks like it is about to be colored by Cheyenne the Mole King, so that will be new.

Grey_Wolf_c

2017-08-02, 08:22 AM

Well, ain't that a depressing thought...

Hi! I miss Buck Godot. May have to buy the stories, now they aren't online.

Kantaki

2017-08-02, 08:36 AM

This comic was penned in 1982 and has made the rounds on the internet before. Looks like it is about to be colored by Cheyenne the Mole King, so that will be new.

:smallsigh:„Old” comic then.:smalltongue:

Rodin

2017-08-02, 09:54 AM

This comic was penned in 1982 and has made the rounds on the internet before. Looks like it is about to be colored by Cheyenne the Mole King, so that will be new.

I thought it looked familiar. I had no idea it was THAT old though.

Dangit, now I want more Buck Godot.

eee

2017-08-02, 01:51 PM

Let us BASK in the glory of the Winslow! ALL HAIL HIS HOLY FUZZ!

GloatingSwine

2017-08-02, 02:18 PM

I'd settle for any Buck Godot, given that it's offline.

I'd possibly kill for a physical copy of The Gallimaufry, which is one of the best standalone comics. I mean someone I didn't like of course.

SZbNAhL

2017-08-02, 02:33 PM

I'd settle for any Buck Godot, given that it's offline.

This sort of thing is what the Wayback Machine (https://web.archive.org/web/20150906105614/http://www.airshipentertainment.com/buckcomic.php?date=20070111)was invented for.

keybounce

2017-08-02, 07:24 PM

OhMyGodThankYouSoMuchForThatWaybackLinkHowMuchOfTh eComicIsThereLetMeRefillMyCoffeeMug

<sip>

AhYes,TheTopLineHere:

https://web.archive.org/web/20110102062659/http://www.airshipentertainment.com/buckcomic.php?date=20070203

<sip>
Even What's New is there. Here is my second favorite (this and the next page): Fantasy vs Sci Fi:
https://web.archive.org/web/20110706134024/http://www.airshipentertainment.com/growfcomic.php?date=20070617

And my favorite:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140423074020/http://www.airshipentertainment.com/growfcomic.php?date=20071202

eschmenk

2017-08-02, 08:35 PM

Also, Phil's Myth Adventures, too. (https://web.archive.org/web/20150913023419/http://www.airshipentertainment.com/info/comics.php4)

keybounce

2017-08-04, 01:15 PM

I love how, in Myth Aventures, Ahz complains about being stranded and powerless, and suddenly changes 180 at the top of the next page.

factotum

2017-08-07, 06:30 AM

You can definitely tell we're into a hiatus between books, can't you? :smallwink:

keybounce

2017-08-07, 07:06 PM

We need to think of the next book when we name threads next time.

Rogar Demonblud

2017-08-07, 08:29 PM

That's a long ways down the road.

Rockphed

2017-08-07, 11:33 PM

We need to think of the next book when we name threads next time.

We could have gone with "Not in Paris, In Seine by Default".

Rogar Demonblud

2017-08-08, 09:56 AM

That's why a lot of us voted for that one. We aren't even 200 posts into the new thread and the title is already in the dust behind us.

eschmenk

2017-08-08, 10:28 AM

Paris will always need pants, won't it?

Rogar Demonblud

2017-08-08, 10:40 AM

Unless they man up and switch to kilts like proper warriors.

factotum

2017-08-08, 03:22 PM

Paris will always need pants, won't it?

Yeah, but by the time we get to page 50 (probably a year or two down the line, at the speed threads in this subforum usually develop) they won't be in Paris anymore, and thus anything referring to Paris will be irrelevant. I mean, you could call the next thread Girl Genius XXIII: Sky is Blue and it would definitely be *true*, but wouldn't necessarily be relevant to the comic or the thread itself.

Kantaki

2017-08-08, 03:30 PM

Girl Genius XXIII: Sky is Blue

I like it. Vote.:smalltongue:

keybounce

2017-08-08, 04:20 PM

Careful, we might be underwater by then -)

eschmenk

2017-08-08, 05:00 PM

Yeah, but by the time we get to page 50 (probably a year or two down the line, at the speed threads in this subforum usually develop) they won't be in Paris anymore, and thus anything referring to Paris will be irrelevant. I mean, you could call the next thread Girl Genius XXIII: Sky is Blue and it would definitely be *true*, but wouldn't necessarily be relevant to the comic or the thread itself.

GG is quicker than many many. The last thread lasted about six months. By then we should be more than half way into the next book and whatever happens will probably give us some ideas, like what usually happens.

I don't know if we will see much of Paris before then or not. Agatha looked very ready to go, but as far as we know Gil and Vol and Higgs are still en route, so Paris may still be relevant at least at times.

Careful, we might be underwater by then -)

Well, that would just make the sky color even more irrelevant. Kantaki might like the Sky is Blue title even better. :smalltongue:

That's why a lot of us voted for that one. We aren't even 200 posts into the new thread and the title is already in the dust behind us.
You aren't remembering correctly. That exact one wasn't even suggested. Perhaps you were thinking of this one instead:

Well, since it's likely we will be done with the Paris arc before our next thread, I've got an alternative to suggest:

Girl Genius XXII: No Longer In Paris, But Always In-Seine
'
That didn't have other people voting for it either, though, unless your comment was intended to be a vote. The original "Girl Genius XXII: In-Seine by Default" got a lot of votes, but not anything that said anything about not being in Paris anymore.

Kantaki

2017-08-08, 05:26 PM

Even under the waves the sky's still blue.:smalltongue:

keybounce

2017-08-08, 06:34 PM

Can an archive genius find the page where the Jaggers were saying something about "It's one of those plans. A plan where you have to kill everyone is not a good plan"?

Kantaki

2017-08-08, 06:43 PM

Can an archive genius find the page where the Jaggers were saying something about "It's one of those plans. A plan where you have to kill everyone is not a good plan"?

Do you mean this one (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20031017#.WYpMC1i1KJs)?

keybounce

2017-08-08, 07:26 PM

Yes; that was fast. Thank you.

eschmenk

2017-08-09, 12:50 PM

New update (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20170809): It looks as if the story title is given in the lower left corner, but I can't read it it very well. "Ivo Sharkteeth P.1" is the best I can come up with, but I doubt that's right.

Lethologica

2017-08-09, 01:52 PM

factotum

2017-08-09, 03:37 PM

Yeah, I get that as well.

keybounce

2017-08-10, 12:46 PM

Rockphed

2017-08-10, 02:00 PM

Is a snail race (taking months to reach the end) a reference to Mechanisburg being timelocked, and needing months (years) to do anything?

I mean, it's not like these will turn out to be mechanical clank snails that activate "Turbo" mode, right?

I suspect the snail race will take all day, but I don't think it will take months to end.

On the other hand, mechanical clank snails that have powerups and turbo mode sounds awesome. You just don't want to be the first one to activate (because then you are ahead and an easy target).

eschmenk

2017-08-10, 02:57 PM

There have been quite a few references regarding snails in Mechanicsburg, especially as food. The GG wiki has a page about them (http://girlgenius.wikia.com/wiki/Snails). I think snails were used in the race because of their association with Mechanicsburg and because of the obvious humor. I doubt there is any sort of metaphorical meaning.

ADDED: Come to think of it, in What's New, there was an evil snail that was ordered to deliver a message (https://web.archive.org/web/20150428205547/http://www.airshipentertainment.com/growfcomic.php?date=20090823) which spent quite a few updates crawling across the bottom of subsequent pages (https://web.archive.org/web/20150428205544/http://www.airshipentertainment.com/growfcomic.php?date=20090830).

Also notice that Agatha and Krosp made a guest appearance there, too. (That was second iteration of What's New, in 2000.)

Porthos

2017-08-11, 01:06 AM

Even in the future, Agatha hasn't learned not to ask certain questions. :smallamused:

SMDH.

...

That said, she has gotten quicker on the uptake when her staff is freaking out, so that's a plus. :smallbiggrin:

Rockphed

2017-08-11, 01:10 AM

Are we about to see Othar as a civil servant?

The Glyphstone

2017-08-11, 01:29 AM

I think we are about to meet the titular Ivo Sharktooth.

keybounce

2017-08-11, 01:59 AM

Are we about to see Othar as a civil servant?

Darn, wasn't fast enough :-)

===

WOW, thank you for that link to What's New. I did not know that there was life after Dragon. What new What's New comics will I read now?

And ... Wall of Mice? Was there really such a card?

EDIT: Magic cancelling out the trade deficit? ... Umm ...

rooster707

2017-08-11, 09:25 AM

Are we about to see Othar Tryggvassen, GENTLEMAN ADVENTURER! as a civil servant?

FTFY. /10chars

eschmenk

2017-08-11, 10:33 AM

Again, the title looks like Ivo Sharktooth PJ. I would have thought it would be Ivo Sharktooth PI for Private Investigator, but the last letter looks like a J, not an I. :smallconfused: What would PJ stand for?

Kantaki

2017-08-11, 11:13 AM

The Glyphstone

2017-08-11, 11:28 AM

That sounds like a safe guess.

Rogar Demonblud

2017-08-11, 11:37 AM

I hadn't realized how much I was missing Van.

eschmenk

2017-08-11, 11:55 AM

Private Jäger?

"OH NOOO!" As Van said.

Rockphed

2017-08-11, 02:14 PM

Private Jäger?

A Jäger PI? I am intrigued and repulsed by the idea. There is no way this can go right and so many ways it can go wrong. I can't bear to watch, but I cannot bear to look away.

eschmenk

2017-08-11, 03:28 PM

A Jäger PI? I am intrigued and repulsed by the idea. There is no way this can go right and so many ways it can go wrong. I can't bear to watch, but I cannot bear to look away.

Although it is more Othar's shtick, I could imagine things going right (in the end) for all the wrong reasons. But yeah, things would go very wrong first.

wingnutx

2017-08-11, 04:35 PM

My money is on Othar.

keybounce

2017-08-11, 05:25 PM

Tee hee ...

"Othar than that, how did you enjoy the play?" :-)

===

Is this thread acceptable for discussing "What's new", "Buck Godot", and "Myth Adventures" (All finished), or should new threads be made for those?

stsasser

2017-08-11, 05:35 PM

Did the jockey on the yellow snail ditch his saddle to reduce weight?? He had one to start the race, so perhaps it is required at the gate, but stuff can 'happen' in the heat of the front stretch...as long as the stewards don't see it... :smallwink:

Although Ivo Sharktooth sounds more like a Spark's name, I think that PJ is going to be 'Private Jager', a hard-boiled trenchcoat & fedora wearing disaster magnet. :smallbiggrin:

Rockphed

2017-08-11, 06:05 PM

It was quiet for a Thursday. The grey clouds hinted at rain the farmers desperately needed while the unrelenting heat forbode of continuing drought. I was in my office, dining on a day-old bug pie and glass of Winkles Old Peculiar when she walked in. She threw the door open like she owned the place (which, to be fair, she did), and glowered down at me like a vengeful valkyrie.

"Ivo, I have a job for you!" She bellowed like like a moose in pain. "Someone has stolen the Golden Snail!"

I took a drag on my cigar. I'm not sure what I rolled in it, but it wasn't nearly strong enough. With my luck, it was just rolled up paper. "Sorry Mistress, it's my day off. Hyu vill haff to come back tomorrow." Then I lowered my fedora over my eyes and tried to go to sleep.

Next thing I knew, I was slammed against a wall. "You can either take the job, or I can use you as parts to build a construct who will!"

keybounce

2017-08-11, 07:06 PM

stsasser

2017-08-11, 09:27 PM

Her face was inches from mine. She smelled verrry nize and I like a dame who puts her hips into it.

'WHUMP!'

Her poofster little lapdog Vanamonde peeked timidly around her

'WHUMP!'

and said 'You really have to learn what an 'INTERNAL' monologue is.

I was getting woozy. Either my cigar had something better than paper in it or the back of my skull was getting soft.
I felt old and worn, like boots stolen from one too many corpse. Boots that I was in fact wearing.

I pushed my hat back out of eyes and said that I would take the job.

Hurkyl

2017-08-12, 05:20 PM

Yes yes, Jager detectives are interesting, but what's really exciting is this snail race! It's just begin, but the blue snail is already plotting violence upon the green leader, and the purple snail is already eyeing the crowd, dare I say, hungrily?

Porthos

2017-08-13, 02:54 AM

So, over in https://web.archive.org/web/20150428205547/http://www.airshipentertainment.com/growfcomic.php?date=20090823, Agatha and Krosp are seen wandering around. We also see a snail given a message to deliver.

That same snail is seen moving across the bottom of the next dozen or so comics. Then, it disappears.

Now, we have Agatha, and snails. Will we finally get a resolution to this decade-(or so)-old setup? Will a prophecy show itself before the end of this short story? Do the Folios even read this forum? Tune in next time, for the next chapter of <urrk>.

NOTE: Re-editing this entire post since I don't know if you have finished the What's New strips there.

The Wayback Machine was acting up for me for a while, and it's getting very late here on the Left Coast so I don't have time to check them all out. So all I will say is, if it did disappear for a bit, that snail will be back throughout the second run of the Dragon Mag comics. :smallsmile:

hajo

2017-08-13, 02:02 PM

"Watch .. all sick from a batch of bad beer" is my favorite quote so far :smallbiggrin:

keybounce

2017-08-13, 07:12 PM

NOTE: Re-editing this entire post since I don't know if you have finished the What's New strips there.

The Wayback Machine was acting up for me for a while, and it's getting very late here on the Left Coast so I don't have time to check them all out. So all I will say is, if it did disappear for a bit, that snail will be back throughout the second run of the Dragon Mag comics. :smallsmile:

Nope, all the way to the end (this was in the second run of dragon ... I did not know that there was a second run until I read the wayback machine), and no sign of the snail's message, the prophecy, etc.

eschmenk

2017-08-13, 08:30 PM

Nope, all the way to the end (this was in the second run of dragon ... I did not know that there was a second run until I read the wayback machine), and no sign of the snail's message, the prophecy, etc.

But the snail is in the last panel of the very last page (https://web.archive.org/web/20150428205219/http://www.airshipentertainment.com/growfcomic.php?date=20100613), along with a joke lampshading the failure to resolve the loose ends.

stsasser

2017-08-13, 11:09 PM

I like where this is headed. Much better than The Weasel Queen or Paper Dolls. :smallbiggrin:

Kantaki

2017-08-13, 11:52 PM

The Royal Pardon is great.
Especially that he put it on display like some kind of certification/recommendation.:smallbiggrin:

Also:
OH NOOOOOO!
I called it.:smallamused:

Rockphed

2017-08-14, 01:22 AM

This is everything I didn't know I wanted and more. I hope there is lots more noir monologue to come.

Also, the title bar on this page says "GG Second Journey, Vol 5, Page 003".

Porthos

2017-08-14, 02:35 AM

DIS GONNA BE GOOD!

Oh, yes. Dis most certainly will be good. :smallamused:

eee

2017-08-14, 05:55 AM

This WILL be good, I think! Ivo seems smarter than your average Jager. Or perhaps more focused and world weary.

Is the photo on the wall of him and Bill and Barry? And a Royal Pardon, the thanks of the Empire, but can anyone figure out what the big award says? Something 'the city'...

Rogar Demonblud

2017-08-14, 09:57 AM

Nope, all the way to the end (this was in the second run of dragon ... I did not know that there was a second run until I read the wayback machine), and no sign of the snail's message, the prophecy, etc.

The snail was on the page beneath the comic itself, so I guess it wasn't part of the scan for the on-line archive or Wayback Machine.

eschmenk

2017-08-14, 11:01 AM

The snail was on the page beneath the comic itself, so I guess it wasn't part of the scan for the on-line archive or Wayback Machine.

like what we see here (https://web.archive.org/web/20150428205544/http://www.airshipentertainment.com/growfcomic.php?date=20090830) and on the next quite a few pages in the Wayback Machine? That seemed to stop just a few pages before the end of the run, after the snail had reached the other side of the page.

wingnutx

2017-08-14, 12:02 PM

Verra nize.

keybounce

2017-08-14, 01:11 PM

But the snail is in the last panel of the very last page (https://web.archive.org/web/20150428205219/http://www.airshipentertainment.com/growfcomic.php?date=20100613), along with a joke lampshading the failure to resolve the loose ends.

So that's what the joke was referencing, and what that ... thing is supposed to be? I thought the "snail" was normal size.

But, if we have giant snails racing here, and that was a giant snail ... then the guy that sent him on a mission in the first place must be some kind of giant.

Where does that guy play?

factotum

2017-08-14, 03:58 PM

So that's what the joke was referencing, and what that ... thing is supposed to be? I thought the "snail" was normal size.

It *is* normal size. It's just a lot closer to the "camera" than Phil or Dixie in that panel.

Kantaki

2017-08-14, 04:14 PM

It *is* normal size. It's just a lot closer to the "camera" than Phil or Dixie in that panel.

If that's a normal slug to you remind me to never visit the UK.:smalleek:

The hellish thing is large enough to fill out the entire doorway.
It's eyes are the larger than a human head.
If that's a normal slug to you I don't want to see what you consider a large one.

eschmenk

2017-08-14, 07:07 PM

So that's what the joke was referencing, and what that ... thing is supposed to be? I thought the "snail" was normal size.

Phil might have forgotten what size it was. There was something like a three year difference between the strips. Or Phil might not have cared. It's funnier if the snail is ridiculously huge and Phil might not have wanted continuity to stand in the way of a joke.

It *is* normal size. It's just a lot closer to the "camera" than Phil or Dixie in that panel.

I think it's probably in the hall poking its head through the door. Alternatively, it could be way in the foreground as you interpreted it.

stsasser

2017-08-14, 09:05 PM

Anybody know if the office number, 400A, means anything...other than a detective that has his office in a 4th floor walkup is hurting for business?

Dexam

2017-08-14, 10:32 PM

Is the photo on the wall of him and Bill and Barry? And a Royal Pardon, the thanks of the Empire, but can anyone figure out what the big award says? Something 'the city'...
My guess is "Gratitude of the City" - that looks like a Heterodyne Trilobite seal in the corner, so "the City" is probably Mechanicsburg.

Rodin

2017-08-15, 03:06 AM

The City Council thanks you for burning down only half the city while pursuing Baron Von Klanktoffen and his Murderous Monkeys.

HandofShadows

2017-08-15, 04:42 AM

The "Empire" one had the Wulfenbach emblem and signature on it.

Ellen

2017-08-15, 11:05 PM

You can hire him but you can't fire him. I wonder how that works?

Other than badly (assuming your definition of "bad" involves lots of collateral damage and explosions. Not everyone's in GG does).

Douglas

2017-08-15, 11:42 PM

Kantaki

2017-08-16, 12:31 AM

Sure they can fire you Ivo.
Out of a cannon.
Into the sun.

I would tread very carefully if I were you.:smallamused:

keybounce

2017-08-16, 12:41 AM

Getting all the way to the sun is kinda expensive. You'll just send him into a long period elliptical orbit, and when he returns, he'll finish the job.

... And look up what's left of you.

Darth Tom

2017-08-16, 06:30 AM

I always enjoy these random interludes, they tend to foreshadow the actual plot rather neatly.

A couple of things have been nagging at me since the end of the Paris arc:

1) Of the three major players talked about so far (Klaus, Voltaire and Albia), only Albia remains. Setting up a new generation of leaders or breaking down the world's defences?
2) The Storm King was driven mad due to "new friends" who were able to animate / control the dead. Seems a lot like revenants?
3) "Going against Albia's merest whim is literally unthinkable", says Gil. Sounds like even more complete mind control than that exerted by slaver wasps...

Anyone else get the feeling Agatha's going to be busy when she reaches England?

eee

2017-08-16, 07:40 AM

You can hire him but you can't fire him. I wonder how that works?

Other than badly (assuming your definition of "bad" involves lots of collateral damage and explosions. Not everyone's in GG does).

It's sort of the noir private detective manifesto. "Once I get hold of a mystery I can't stop. I gotta keep going, I gotta find out the answers, no matter how tough it is, no matter how rotten, no matter who tries to stop me. 'Cause that's the only way you can show the truth. And the truth is all that matters."

Think of Humphrey Bogart as Sam Spade saying that.

(I wonder if Ivo sounds like Bogart.)

Agatha keeps doing the poses that noir detective femme fatales do in the movies, but they don't really suit her. Especially not with that snail crown on her head. :smallbiggrin:

The crack pattern in panel four suggests somebody with bad aim has taken shots at Ivo in the past...

HandofShadows

2017-08-16, 09:12 AM

The crack pattern in panel four suggests somebody with bad aim has taken shots at Ivo in the past...

Or they hit. He IS a Jaeger and a few bullet holes would proably only make him annoyed. Where is his hat though? :smallconfused:

stsasser

2017-08-16, 11:06 AM

It's sort of the noir private detective manifesto. "Once I get hold of a mystery I can't stop. I gotta keep going, I gotta find out the answers, no matter how tough it is, no matter how rotten, no matter who tries to stop me. 'Cause that's the only way you can show the truth. And the truth is all that matters."

Think of Humphrey Bogart as Sam Spade saying that.

(I wonder if Ivo sounds like Bogart.)

It is very much Marlowe looking for Regan in The Big Sleep or Continental Op in Red Harvest - although how is Ivo going to exceed a stack of dead bodies, a gang war and Poisonville on fire as a 'bad thing'?

Note on office location, Marlowe's office is the seventh floor, so a 4th floor office is practically luxurious.

Kantaki

2017-08-16, 11:18 AM

Getting all the way to the sun is kinda expensive. You'll just send him into a long period elliptical orbit, and when he returns, he'll finish the job.

... And look up what's left of you.

Eh, it was a rubbish plan anyway.
I doubt hard vacuum would survive contact with a Jäger.

Or they hit. He IS a Jaeger and a few bullet holes would proably only make him annoyed. Where is his hat though? :smallconfused:

Might have lost it.
Would be telling regarding his planning skills though.:smallamused:

Lethologica

2017-08-16, 11:44 AM

The hat is probably on his coat rack. Whose existence I conjecture from the placement of what looks like a big red coat in the last panel of the previous comic.

Divayth Fyr

2017-08-16, 01:19 PM

Isn't the coat and hat visible in panel 2 behind Van?

Lethologica

2017-08-16, 01:22 PM

Isn't the coat and hat visible in panel 2 behind Van?
Ah, yes. Same coat.

JavaScribe

2017-08-18, 01:21 AM

The latest. (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20170818#.WZaG4xeQzCI)

He's right. I've never seen a Jager fight like that.

Rockphed

2017-08-18, 02:07 AM

I propose "Girl Genius XXIII: Look! A Monkey" as the next thread title.

factotum

2017-08-18, 02:13 AM

Yeah, that is definitely a manoeuvre you don't often see Jaegers doing. :smallsmile:

Porthos

2017-08-18, 02:55 AM

Oh, I like him. :smallbiggrin:

Kantaki

2017-08-18, 07:12 AM

He's a smart one...:smallamused:

eee

2017-08-18, 08:55 AM

Oh he is GOOD. I'm liking him more and more each episode.

It is very much Marlowe looking for Regan in The Big Sleep or Continental Op in Red Harvest - although how is Ivo going to exceed a stack of dead bodies, a gang war and Poisonville on fire as a 'bad thing'?

Note on office location, Marlowe's office is the seventh floor, so a 4th floor office is practically luxurious.

This is Girl Genius: I'm sure the destruction in Red Harvest can be topped with ease.

(It all started out with a simple murder. But the Op was so bent out of shape by the cesspool that was Poisonville he maneuvered things so as to clean it up. These noir private detectives / white knights are DANGEROUS once they get going...)

Rogar Demonblud

2017-08-18, 11:30 AM

He's a smart one...:smallamused:

I think you mean "Shmart vun".

keybounce

2017-08-18, 12:19 PM

The best use of a monkey in combat is to get you to pay attention to the monkey :)

Kantaki

2017-08-18, 12:48 PM

I think you mean "Shmart vun".

Schmot und schneaky.:smallamused:

Hurkyl

2017-08-18, 07:39 PM

Anybody know if the office number, 400A, means anything...other than a detective that has his office in a 4th floor walkup is hurting for business?
It's not as catchy as 221B, is it?

smuchmuch

2017-08-19, 10:45 AM

Running away from a fight ? I'm starting to see why he isn't hanging with other Jaegers.

The Glyphstone

2017-08-19, 11:16 AM

Most Jaegers are Cunningly Brutal. Ivo appears to be Brutally Cunning.

Rogar Demonblud

2017-08-19, 11:35 AM

He also appears to be one of those Jagers who've gotten old enough to dislike fighting for the sake of fighting.

Lethologica

2017-08-19, 12:40 PM

Missing general confirmed.

Manga Shoggoth

2017-08-20, 04:56 AM

There's always a bar in this sort of thing, isn't there. I get the feeling that Mama Gkika's is going to make an appearance.

geoduck

2017-08-20, 07:17 PM

Missing general confirmed.

I don't if you're being serious, but.. no. Higgs is the Hidden General. Maybe Ivo could have been a general, if he was more of a joining type.

eschmenk

2017-08-20, 09:03 PM

Also, these extra stories are supposed to be rather fanciful folk stories, similar to the Heterodyne stories. They won't necessarily be consistent with the main GG canon.

FWIW, in the main GG canon, General Zadipok was the "missing" general (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20120516), at least from the point of view of the other generals. They weren't worried about Higgs. (Lethologica said "missing," not "hidden.")

Ellen

2017-08-20, 11:23 PM

When you take on one Jager, you take on them all.

Probably true--in the same way that heroes always stand behind their friends when there's trouble and the not so hero-y always stand behind their friends.

keybounce

2017-08-21, 12:05 AM

Lethologica

2017-08-21, 12:48 AM

He's a general so secret even the other generals don't know about him, of course.

stsasser

2017-08-21, 11:21 AM

Schmot und schneaky.:smallamused:

I would follow Ivo's Twitter. Sorry, Othar. :smallamused:

petersohn

2017-08-21, 12:37 PM

He's a general so secret even the other generals don't know about him, of course.
I thought he was a private. :smallcool:

HandofShadows

2017-08-21, 01:42 PM

I would follow Ivo's Twitter. Sorry, Othar. :smallamused:

Well, if Othar would update every once in awhile....:smallfrown:

Lethologica

2017-08-21, 02:21 PM

I thought he was a private. :smallcool:
A very private general, yes.