Astral Projection for permanent buffs? Does it actually work? (3.5)

[flappeercraft]

So I heard of this trick a bit ago and I'm not sure if it would actually work so what better place to ask than to the playground. The trick consists of casting your buffs normally and then casting astral projetion, you then move your real body to the Astral Plane where due to the Timeless trait the buffs don't run out meaning you can just use your astral form and go anywhere with planeshift and similar magic while your regular body is in a Timeless plane and therefore the buffs stay in the real and astral form. Does that trick actually work or was the person who mentioned that trick just plain wrong

[Anthrowhale]

I see two flaws:

Your body is left on the material plane. This is traditionally ignored, at least sometimes, but if you want live by the RAW it can't be.
A copy of you does not have the buff spells you have. Astral projection creates "an astral copy of you". It would benefit from the buffs you have like a Simulacrum of you would benefit from the spells you have (i.e. not at all).

[flappeercraft]

1. can be solved with going back to your real body with the astral body and just plane shifting to the astral plane and leaving the body there

2. is why it seemed wrong to me and why I wanted to ask.

I'm thinking maybe replace Astral Projection with Planar Bubble and somehow manage to be native to the Astral Plane

[Crake]

So I heard of this trick a bit ago and I'm not sure if it would actually work so what better place to ask than to the playground. The trick consists of casting your buffs normally and then casting astral projetion, you then move your real body to the Astral Plane where due to the Timeless trait the buffs don't run out meaning you can just use your astral form and go anywhere with planeshift and similar magic while your regular body is in a Timeless plane and therefore the buffs stay in the real and astral form. Does that trick actually work or was the person who mentioned that trick just plain wrong

Citation on that? As far as I can tell timeless doesn't stop buff duration from ticking:


Timeless

On planes with this trait, time still passes, but the effects of time are diminished. How the timeless trait can affect certain activities or conditions such as hunger, thirst, aging, the effects of poison, and healing varies from plane to plane.

The danger of a timeless plane is that once one leaves such a plane for one where time flows normally, conditions such as hunger and aging do occur retroactively.

Emphasis mine. While the timeless trait's function varies from plane to plane, it seems that it's mostly only natural bodily processes that are affected. The astral plane however goes on to specify what exactly is affected:


The Astral Plane

The Astral Plane is the space between the planes. When a character moves through an interplanar portal or projects her spirit to a different plane of existence, she travels through the Astral Plane. Even spells that allow instantaneous movement across a plane briefly touch the Astral Plane.

The Astral Plane is a great, endless sphere of clear silvery sky, both above and below. Occasional bits of solid matter can be found here, but most of the Astral Plane is an endless, open domain.

Both planar travelers and refugees from other planes call the Astral Plane home.

The Astral Plane has the following traits.


Subjective directional gravity.
Timeless. Age, hunger, thirst, poison, and natural healing don’t function in the Astral Plane, though they resume functioning when the traveler leaves the Astral Plane.
Mildly neutral-aligned.
Enhanced magic. All spells and spell-like abilities used within the Astral Plane may be employed as if they were improved by the Quicken Spell feat. Already quickened spells and spell-like abilities are unaffected, as are spells from magic items. Spells so quickened are still prepared and cast at their unmodified level. As with the Quicken Spell feat, only one quickened spell can be cast per round.


So magical buffs are not affected at all by the astral plane's timeless trait.

[flappeercraft]

Citation on that? As far as I can tell timeless doesn't stop buff duration from ticking:



Emphasis mine. While the timeless trait's function varies from plane to plane, it seems that it's mostly only natural bodily processes that are affected. The astral plane however goes on to specify what exactly is affected:



So magical buffs are not affected at all by the astral plane's timeless trait.

SRD just below the table of Erratic time there is this text

"with respect to magic, any spell cast with a noninstantaneous duration is permanent until dispelled."

[Crake]

SRD just below the table of Erratic time there is this text

"with respect to magic, any spell cast with a noninstantaneous duration is permanent until dispelled."

You missed out a the first part of that sentence, which is pretty important for establishing context


If a plane is timeless with respect to magic, any spell cast with a noninstantaneous duration is permanent until dispelled.

The astral plane is not timeless with respect to magic, only, as stated, "Age, hunger, thirst, poison, and natural healing"

[flappeercraft]

You missed out a the first part of that sentence, which is pretty important for establishing context



The astral plane is not timeless with respect to magic, only, as stated, "Age, hunger, thirst, poison, and natural healing"

Well then it just doesn't work due to the plane itself. You could make a demiplane with that trait but even then the RAW is iffy as pointed out so I guess it just doesn't work.