Converting from 3.5, need Archivist advice! [Archive]

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OverdrivePrime

2017-07-10, 09:54 AM

Hi All,
I'm moving my long-running campaign into 5th edition. We started in 3.5, I eventually converted things to Pathfinder, and then (because Wisdom is my dump stat), I converted everything into my heavily modified version of Shadowrun 5. This went poorly (I'm sure you're shocked), and my players have agreed to pretend that I didn't actually do something that foolish. ANYWAY! We've played a few test games in 5th edition and really like it. So now I'm converting everything from the old 3.5/pathfinder game into 5th.

My big problem is our Archivist. She really likes the dark knowledge aspects, but will not - on pain of death - be convinced to play a re-fluffed bard. She also really loves the "get all the divine spells" aspect of things and generally plays her character like a battle librarian.

I know there are some homebrew versions of the Archivist out there for 5e, but I haven't seen any updates on them in the last year or two. Is there anything in Unearthed Arcana that would support it?

Or should I give her 2 levels of cleric, 10 levels of wizard and call it a day? All characters are 12th or 13th level.

Thanks in advance for any help you can lend! :smallsmile:

Aett_Thorn

2017-07-10, 10:05 AM

Maybe use the Theurge from this UA as a guide?

https://media.wizards.com/2016/dnd/downloads/UA%20Non-Divine%20Faithful%20SFG.pdf

Grod_The_Giant

2017-07-10, 10:31 AM

A Cleric with some mixed-and-matched domains might work. Take the Knowledge Domain features, plus the Nature Domain spells, and switch to Int-based casting. That gets you a clever, academic priest with a mix of Cleric and Druid spells-- pretty close to what's desired, I think. If you want to go farther, it should be okay to swap Channel Divinity for Bardic Inspiration. (Throw Font of Inspiration in at 6th, to replace that lost subclass feature)

toapat

2017-07-10, 10:37 AM

Maybe use the Theurge from this UA as a guide?

https://media.wizards.com/2016/dnd/downloads/UA%20Non-Divine%20Faithful%20SFG.pdf

I thought there was a more recent publishing of Theurge specialist wizard? Yep (https://media.wizards.com/2017/dnd/downloads/MJ320UAWizardVF2017.pdf)

anyway, this is literally the 5E Archivist, and if you want some "Mix n Match" domains, Planeshift Almondcat offers up Solidarity, Strength, Ambition, and Zeal (https://media.wizards.com/2017/downloads/magic/plane-shift_amonkhet.pdf)

OverdrivePrime

2017-07-10, 01:32 PM

Thanks! This is very helpful. Theurgy looks close enough to what she'd want, and I could probably re-spec it just a bit so that her battle librarian still feels right. I'll probably just strip out some of the wizard features and replace with some intelligence-check based advantage/disadvantage stuff against foes she makes her lore check on.

Cheers!

toapat

2017-07-10, 01:39 PM

OverdrivePrime

2017-07-17, 02:24 PM

1: you just decribed the Historian feat

2: You are not prepared (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gTX2tyZUIw) for anyone to have the historian feat

/re-reads Historian feat

O____O

... I was not prepared for that. That is a pile of awesome that scales.

toapat

2017-07-17, 02:37 PM

That is a pile of awesome that scales.

no, its a pile of ludicrously overpowered that can be combined into a bard to pave over Non-combat encounters

OverdrivePrime

2017-07-17, 02:43 PM

no, its a pile of ludicrously overpowered that can be combined into a bard to pave over Non-combat encounters

... yes, that. Sorry, still stuck in a 3.5 player mindset. :smallamused:

toapat

2017-07-17, 02:45 PM

... yes, that. Sorry, still stuck in a 3.5 player mindset. :smallamused:

ya, it looks alot more conservative when using 3.5 assumptions because a +11 is a piddly boost in 3.5, in 5E a +11 is backbreaking