Jaxter Gronaldi
2017-07-12, 02:29 PM
This is for tricks you can do to make your wizard seem like a GOD.
Insp by the earlier post:
Requirements
1.Mirror of Life Trapping
2.A lot of gold ( Also counting as material components )
3.Demiplane
4.Clone
5.Mordekainen's Private Sanctum
6.Magic Jar
7.Simulacrum
8.Sequester
9.A number of gems worth at least 500gp
10.A vessel worth 2,000gp
11. Sustenance for a year
12. Sending
13. A Korred imprisoned in a Gem, Golden Shears, Regeneration and Planar Binding ( Optional )
14. Contingency and Dispel Magic
15. Drawmij's Instant Summons and a whole lot of Sapphires worth 1,000gp ( Contentious )
Results
1.Immortality
2.Invincibility
3.Undetected
4.Your own infinite plane, although it's a bit foggy
5.Your own Divine Avatar ( Kind of )
Instructions
Cast Demiplane, and fill it with your accumulated gold, components, rations ( If even required ) and other items you wish, spend a year casting Mordekainen's Private Sanctum in there so it's permanent. Create a Simulacrum, and order it to hang the Mirror of Life Trapping on the wall of your now warded demiplane and activate it. Carry all the items into the spatially infinite extradimensional space, ordering your Simulacrum to free you after a certain amount of time in each incursion, until you add everything. In case "Your possessions" count as everything placed in the cell rather than just what you're wearing and carrying, then summon a familiar or other creature that you can kill ( with something like glyph of warding inside the cell ) once it transported along with the items, and summon a new creature to repeat the process. Or just pile up everything into some container and lift up with Telekinesis/Reverse Gravity and put it back down on you so it's carried, even though you could be extremely encumbered and take crushing damage depending on just what you put there, then look at the mirror one final time to get sucked inside. Once in, teleport underneath to somewhere else in the cell. Before looking for that final time though, order your Simulacrum to cast "Sequester" on the mirror after you have entered it with 5,000 remaining gold outside, just to be sure.
Once inside with enough of your gold and possessions ( There's no need for food or drink inside or much else really ), and a minute or two later during which your Simulacrum outside should've cast the Sequester on the Mirror, cast Simulacrum again, destroying the one outside, who is effectively the last being who could command the mirror or know of it's existence. Then Cast Clone on yourself and, waiting for it to mature 120 days in the vessel you brought. Finally, cast Magic Jar on your Simulacrum, as now both your inert living body, your Clone, and the Magic Jar with the Simulacrums "soul" ( ? ) in it remain inside the Mirror, while your soul inhabits the Simulacrum's body. Cast Banishment on yourself or any other Planar Travel spell to escape the extradimensional cell in the Mirror, and go to a location of your choosing. If your host Simulacrum dies while your soul inhabits it, both you and the creature ( Simulacrum ) dies, but your own soul returns to the Clone when you die. You can now start the process anew with the same Clone vessel, expending consumable gold only for a new Simulacrum and Clone, totalling 2,500 per casting, and 500gp for the new magic jar container.
On a final note, before venturing out, always cast contingency on yourself with Dispel Magic and your given circumstance ( When my soul/mind wants it/thinks about something, after a period of time etc.. ) which would immediately cut off the Magic Jar connection which you cast ( Against your spell so you can just do it automatically and you're incapacitated anyway ), or alternatively a spell like shatter centered on yourself to break the Magic Jar component. Can also be used through the Simulacrum to basically dispel your own form, killing yourself and returning to your Clone in the plane.
Optional: If you die a lot and want an indispensable supply of gold, you'd have to find a Korred ( Possibly through Conjure Fey at 7th level if you have access to a scroll and inverted magic circle ), cast Planar Binding on it, then Imprisonment into a gem, and carry the gem as you look the final time into the mirror, release the Korred once inside, and cut his hair with golden shears whenever you need gold. If his hair doesn't grow naturally ( Which it does, according to the MM and regains hit points ), just cast Regeneration. Renew Planar Binding every year or so.
Contentious: These few methods relate to the spell "Drawmij's Instant Summons" and they are contentious because they introduce a mental cluster**** of just what it means to be "You" while your soul inhabits a Simulacrum vessel through the Magic Jar while you inert body is elsewhere and then you have a Clone and.. well, it's basically all up to interpretation in order to work, I am unable to justify it utterly with RAW as I can with other things.
Under the assumption that "you" in the spell would refer to your soul or the body controlled by it at a given time, you can collect gold from the outside back into your plane by first, prior to using Magic Jar, casting "Drawmij's Instant Summons" on a sapphire ( We'll call it Retrieval Sapphire ), obviously using another Sapphire ( Known as Component Sapphire ), while still in the plane. Give "Retrieval Sapphire" to your Simulacrum and go Magic Jar, while component sapphire is with you on the plane. Once Simulacrum is somewhere else outside with his own sapphire, obtain a 10 pounds weighing bar of gold ( Platinum or Diamond would be better for value if you can ), cast the same spell on it using "Retrieval Sapphire" as the component, and then wait until the Simulacrum dies or something I guess. Once you reform within the Clone back in your plane, crush "Component Sapphire" to summon "Retrieval Sapphire" from wherever the now dead Simulacrum has carried it with him, then crush "Retrieval Sapphire" to summon the 10 pounds of matter ( Gold, Platinum ). The whole ordeal has cost about 2,000gp for the Sapphires while a recasting of Clone+Simulacrum will bring it to a total of 5,000gp, so in order to actually replenish your "cash" supply for spells on the plane, the 10 pounds bar of gold or better yet platinum would have to be worth more, which I'm pretty sure it is. Regardless, you can always create multiple pair of Retrieval/Component sapphires to bring more bars, each pair is 2,000gp, so I'm pretty sure another 10 pounds platinum bar compensates for that. And when you run out of sapphires, use the same method to mark some kind of gigantic Jewel or necklace embedded with tons of sapphires that you found while strolling about with your Avatar.
Again, this relies on "you" being your soul/the body it resides in currently rather than physical body, which actually seems the more appropriate definition since otherwise it brings up a lot of stupid scenarios such as what happens to an object you marked with the spell if you died and came back as a Clone and still possess the Sapphire, or what happens if you True Polymorph, or if you die and someone casts "Reincarnate" on you and you're now a Dwarf or whatever, but it's not guaranteed RAW.
RAW that applies
And now for that, as I'm sure there are many posters who may get confused and perhaps believe that there has been confusion in this thread
1.That "Demiplane" counts as a method of planar travel ( Creating a doorway on another plane to enter it ) and cannot be used by another creature to enter a demiplane warded with Mordekainen's Private Sanctum ( Through creating the doorway on it's stone wall )
2.That the spatially infinite, "Extradimensional" cells inside the Mirror of Life Trapping are not affected by the feet range of Mordekainen's Private Sanctum ( Would be interesting since otherwise since it would enable you to trap creatures there permanently with no escape at all ), although they are merely both in the same plane of existence ( The Demiplane )
2.1.Addendum, just because I know it's going to come up - "Isn't the Mirror on the stone wall itself still within the reach of Mordekainen's Private Sanctum, therefore also including the spatially infinite cells?", the answer is, they aren't. First of all, the item description informs us that the mirror has those cells, but never that they are "inside" of it or something of that nature. The mirror acts as the entrance and a "window" to these cells, which are spatially infinite spaces, we don't really have an idea of their actual position in the multiverse. But not only that, we do know that the cells are "extradimensional", which is not a scientific term but what the jargon means according to wikitionary (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/extradimensional) is the following, as you can see. So they're not just spatially infinite and in another dimension, but also outside the known physicality of the multiverse or "Coming from a dimension outside Einsteinian space-time.", and therefore are not in any way, shape or form within the confines of the 120 feet ( 3-dimensional by the way ) range of Mordekainen's Private Sanctum, despite being linked with the Mirror. Only the tangible mirror itself hanging on the wall is. That also makes it even more mind-boggling to infiltrate somehow, and the Mirror artifact is the only known way in there.
3.That being shunted into the Mirror's cells does not count as "Teleportation", which the artifact's description doesn't describe it as such, unlike other artifacts, nor is it any kind of teleportation spells, but I guess it could possibly be construed as such anyway, which isn't really an obstacle, if ruled as such, then the first step would be to create the Simulacrum, ask it to activate the Mirror, and order it to Sequester it immediately afterwards once you enter it by looking at it, then to do everything you were supposed to do ( Hauling things inside by creating it's own Simulacrum if need be ), and once done, that he should dispel/destroy his own simulacrum, hang the mirror with you already inside on it on the wall of the warded Demiplane, and inform you via "Sending" ( You're not actually on another plane, albeit on another distance, but ask it to send it 10 times just to be certain ) when all is accomplished. After that, you cast Simulacrum again to destroy the one in the Demiplane room, and continue regularly.
4.That your Simulacrum would not be shunted to a different cell upon being cast, which is really not contentious, but just bears mentioning for those who can't already read - The answer is no since the Mirror did not trap it through the reflection itself, nor are the 12 cells occupied. The same would go for a Korred trapped in a gem and being carried inside your bag, never seeing it's reflection, into the same cell, basically functioning the same as a Sentient artifact for example, as your "possession".
5.How the reincarnation works, from Magic Jar - "If the host body dies while you're in it, the creature dies, and you must make a Charisma saving throw against your own spellcasting DC. On a success, you return to the container if it is within 100 feet of you. Otherwise, you die.", in our case it is otherwise, since our container is still in the mirror's space if our Simulacrum host dies, therefore we die, and from Clone - "At any time after the clone matures, if the original creature dies, its soul transfers to the clone, provided that the soul is free and willing to return.", so there is no problem here.
6.Drawmij's Instant Summons - "The item instantly appears in your hand regardless of physical or planar distances", wherein the "physical" part is what really matters to us, since it means the item can cross into the extradimensional, spatially infinite mirror cell directly, which is within the plane of the Demiplane, without passing through the 30 feet stone room which is protected by Mordekainen's Private Sanctum.
Conclusion
Time to design a nice little divine portfolio for yourself, maybe an eye peering from within a mirror and spread it throughout the Prime Material with your avatar, and every time it dies to scream at your enemies minds back in the cell as you emerge from the clone that "I am a deity, you fool! I have all of eternity to extract my vengeance!" as you deploy another Simulacrum. Maybe spruce up your foggy domain a little bit with various spells or just brood endlessly without eating, drinking, sleeping or eating like mystery deities are prone to do.
Why the Mirror though?
"Creatures trapped in the mirror’s cells don’t age, and they don’t need to eat, drink, or sleep.", which as far as I know is only otherwise possible in the unprotected Astral Sea, and sure, you can make your Clone a younger version too for immortality at least ( Although it would still need to eat, drink and sleep ), but those other attributes and the infinite plane are the closest thing to divinity. Also nifty way of getting out of a warded demiplane due to being in the same plane but not in the range of the Sanctum spell, yet in a sequestered extradimensional space that nothing knows about nor could theoretically be accessed from anywhere except by looking at the mirror.
Why Simulacrum if you're already safeguarded with Clone?
When you're a deity, you're dealing with a whole scale of different threats, and trust me, you don't want your enemies to have access to your true remains or moreso, your true form. Believe me, you don't want an enemy to trap you in some Silenced or Anti-Magic zone and also preventing you from killing yourself, such that you can never escape. Bad. Really bad. A Simulacrum on the other hand can't be put in any anti-magic zones without being dispelled itself ( A disadvantage as well to be sure, so bring a lot of counterspells ), you have stipulations for any other attempt to trap it while your soul is within, and no remains are left when it hits 0 hit points as it turns to snow and melts instantly.
So you basically have the same Discorporation trait as Tiamat except better since that dumb bitch can be trapped with Planar Binding and then can't escape, but you always can. If you're feeling confident though, want to save costs, and really don't like having Dispel Magic or Antimagic Field cast on you, you can always ditch the Simulacrum in favor of just banishing yourself from the cell, while the Clone awaits there.
Who has so much time?
Someone who's planning on being a deity for all eternity, apparently.
Are spellcasters really OP?
Nah, martials are just as powerful. I mean, it's just nigh deity-hood, nothing special.
Insp by the earlier post:
Requirements
1.Mirror of Life Trapping
2.A lot of gold ( Also counting as material components )
3.Demiplane
4.Clone
5.Mordekainen's Private Sanctum
6.Magic Jar
7.Simulacrum
8.Sequester
9.A number of gems worth at least 500gp
10.A vessel worth 2,000gp
11. Sustenance for a year
12. Sending
13. A Korred imprisoned in a Gem, Golden Shears, Regeneration and Planar Binding ( Optional )
14. Contingency and Dispel Magic
15. Drawmij's Instant Summons and a whole lot of Sapphires worth 1,000gp ( Contentious )
Results
1.Immortality
2.Invincibility
3.Undetected
4.Your own infinite plane, although it's a bit foggy
5.Your own Divine Avatar ( Kind of )
Instructions
Cast Demiplane, and fill it with your accumulated gold, components, rations ( If even required ) and other items you wish, spend a year casting Mordekainen's Private Sanctum in there so it's permanent. Create a Simulacrum, and order it to hang the Mirror of Life Trapping on the wall of your now warded demiplane and activate it. Carry all the items into the spatially infinite extradimensional space, ordering your Simulacrum to free you after a certain amount of time in each incursion, until you add everything. In case "Your possessions" count as everything placed in the cell rather than just what you're wearing and carrying, then summon a familiar or other creature that you can kill ( with something like glyph of warding inside the cell ) once it transported along with the items, and summon a new creature to repeat the process. Or just pile up everything into some container and lift up with Telekinesis/Reverse Gravity and put it back down on you so it's carried, even though you could be extremely encumbered and take crushing damage depending on just what you put there, then look at the mirror one final time to get sucked inside. Once in, teleport underneath to somewhere else in the cell. Before looking for that final time though, order your Simulacrum to cast "Sequester" on the mirror after you have entered it with 5,000 remaining gold outside, just to be sure.
Once inside with enough of your gold and possessions ( There's no need for food or drink inside or much else really ), and a minute or two later during which your Simulacrum outside should've cast the Sequester on the Mirror, cast Simulacrum again, destroying the one outside, who is effectively the last being who could command the mirror or know of it's existence. Then Cast Clone on yourself and, waiting for it to mature 120 days in the vessel you brought. Finally, cast Magic Jar on your Simulacrum, as now both your inert living body, your Clone, and the Magic Jar with the Simulacrums "soul" ( ? ) in it remain inside the Mirror, while your soul inhabits the Simulacrum's body. Cast Banishment on yourself or any other Planar Travel spell to escape the extradimensional cell in the Mirror, and go to a location of your choosing. If your host Simulacrum dies while your soul inhabits it, both you and the creature ( Simulacrum ) dies, but your own soul returns to the Clone when you die. You can now start the process anew with the same Clone vessel, expending consumable gold only for a new Simulacrum and Clone, totalling 2,500 per casting, and 500gp for the new magic jar container.
On a final note, before venturing out, always cast contingency on yourself with Dispel Magic and your given circumstance ( When my soul/mind wants it/thinks about something, after a period of time etc.. ) which would immediately cut off the Magic Jar connection which you cast ( Against your spell so you can just do it automatically and you're incapacitated anyway ), or alternatively a spell like shatter centered on yourself to break the Magic Jar component. Can also be used through the Simulacrum to basically dispel your own form, killing yourself and returning to your Clone in the plane.
Optional: If you die a lot and want an indispensable supply of gold, you'd have to find a Korred ( Possibly through Conjure Fey at 7th level if you have access to a scroll and inverted magic circle ), cast Planar Binding on it, then Imprisonment into a gem, and carry the gem as you look the final time into the mirror, release the Korred once inside, and cut his hair with golden shears whenever you need gold. If his hair doesn't grow naturally ( Which it does, according to the MM and regains hit points ), just cast Regeneration. Renew Planar Binding every year or so.
Contentious: These few methods relate to the spell "Drawmij's Instant Summons" and they are contentious because they introduce a mental cluster**** of just what it means to be "You" while your soul inhabits a Simulacrum vessel through the Magic Jar while you inert body is elsewhere and then you have a Clone and.. well, it's basically all up to interpretation in order to work, I am unable to justify it utterly with RAW as I can with other things.
Under the assumption that "you" in the spell would refer to your soul or the body controlled by it at a given time, you can collect gold from the outside back into your plane by first, prior to using Magic Jar, casting "Drawmij's Instant Summons" on a sapphire ( We'll call it Retrieval Sapphire ), obviously using another Sapphire ( Known as Component Sapphire ), while still in the plane. Give "Retrieval Sapphire" to your Simulacrum and go Magic Jar, while component sapphire is with you on the plane. Once Simulacrum is somewhere else outside with his own sapphire, obtain a 10 pounds weighing bar of gold ( Platinum or Diamond would be better for value if you can ), cast the same spell on it using "Retrieval Sapphire" as the component, and then wait until the Simulacrum dies or something I guess. Once you reform within the Clone back in your plane, crush "Component Sapphire" to summon "Retrieval Sapphire" from wherever the now dead Simulacrum has carried it with him, then crush "Retrieval Sapphire" to summon the 10 pounds of matter ( Gold, Platinum ). The whole ordeal has cost about 2,000gp for the Sapphires while a recasting of Clone+Simulacrum will bring it to a total of 5,000gp, so in order to actually replenish your "cash" supply for spells on the plane, the 10 pounds bar of gold or better yet platinum would have to be worth more, which I'm pretty sure it is. Regardless, you can always create multiple pair of Retrieval/Component sapphires to bring more bars, each pair is 2,000gp, so I'm pretty sure another 10 pounds platinum bar compensates for that. And when you run out of sapphires, use the same method to mark some kind of gigantic Jewel or necklace embedded with tons of sapphires that you found while strolling about with your Avatar.
Again, this relies on "you" being your soul/the body it resides in currently rather than physical body, which actually seems the more appropriate definition since otherwise it brings up a lot of stupid scenarios such as what happens to an object you marked with the spell if you died and came back as a Clone and still possess the Sapphire, or what happens if you True Polymorph, or if you die and someone casts "Reincarnate" on you and you're now a Dwarf or whatever, but it's not guaranteed RAW.
RAW that applies
And now for that, as I'm sure there are many posters who may get confused and perhaps believe that there has been confusion in this thread
1.That "Demiplane" counts as a method of planar travel ( Creating a doorway on another plane to enter it ) and cannot be used by another creature to enter a demiplane warded with Mordekainen's Private Sanctum ( Through creating the doorway on it's stone wall )
2.That the spatially infinite, "Extradimensional" cells inside the Mirror of Life Trapping are not affected by the feet range of Mordekainen's Private Sanctum ( Would be interesting since otherwise since it would enable you to trap creatures there permanently with no escape at all ), although they are merely both in the same plane of existence ( The Demiplane )
2.1.Addendum, just because I know it's going to come up - "Isn't the Mirror on the stone wall itself still within the reach of Mordekainen's Private Sanctum, therefore also including the spatially infinite cells?", the answer is, they aren't. First of all, the item description informs us that the mirror has those cells, but never that they are "inside" of it or something of that nature. The mirror acts as the entrance and a "window" to these cells, which are spatially infinite spaces, we don't really have an idea of their actual position in the multiverse. But not only that, we do know that the cells are "extradimensional", which is not a scientific term but what the jargon means according to wikitionary (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/extradimensional) is the following, as you can see. So they're not just spatially infinite and in another dimension, but also outside the known physicality of the multiverse or "Coming from a dimension outside Einsteinian space-time.", and therefore are not in any way, shape or form within the confines of the 120 feet ( 3-dimensional by the way ) range of Mordekainen's Private Sanctum, despite being linked with the Mirror. Only the tangible mirror itself hanging on the wall is. That also makes it even more mind-boggling to infiltrate somehow, and the Mirror artifact is the only known way in there.
3.That being shunted into the Mirror's cells does not count as "Teleportation", which the artifact's description doesn't describe it as such, unlike other artifacts, nor is it any kind of teleportation spells, but I guess it could possibly be construed as such anyway, which isn't really an obstacle, if ruled as such, then the first step would be to create the Simulacrum, ask it to activate the Mirror, and order it to Sequester it immediately afterwards once you enter it by looking at it, then to do everything you were supposed to do ( Hauling things inside by creating it's own Simulacrum if need be ), and once done, that he should dispel/destroy his own simulacrum, hang the mirror with you already inside on it on the wall of the warded Demiplane, and inform you via "Sending" ( You're not actually on another plane, albeit on another distance, but ask it to send it 10 times just to be certain ) when all is accomplished. After that, you cast Simulacrum again to destroy the one in the Demiplane room, and continue regularly.
4.That your Simulacrum would not be shunted to a different cell upon being cast, which is really not contentious, but just bears mentioning for those who can't already read - The answer is no since the Mirror did not trap it through the reflection itself, nor are the 12 cells occupied. The same would go for a Korred trapped in a gem and being carried inside your bag, never seeing it's reflection, into the same cell, basically functioning the same as a Sentient artifact for example, as your "possession".
5.How the reincarnation works, from Magic Jar - "If the host body dies while you're in it, the creature dies, and you must make a Charisma saving throw against your own spellcasting DC. On a success, you return to the container if it is within 100 feet of you. Otherwise, you die.", in our case it is otherwise, since our container is still in the mirror's space if our Simulacrum host dies, therefore we die, and from Clone - "At any time after the clone matures, if the original creature dies, its soul transfers to the clone, provided that the soul is free and willing to return.", so there is no problem here.
6.Drawmij's Instant Summons - "The item instantly appears in your hand regardless of physical or planar distances", wherein the "physical" part is what really matters to us, since it means the item can cross into the extradimensional, spatially infinite mirror cell directly, which is within the plane of the Demiplane, without passing through the 30 feet stone room which is protected by Mordekainen's Private Sanctum.
Conclusion
Time to design a nice little divine portfolio for yourself, maybe an eye peering from within a mirror and spread it throughout the Prime Material with your avatar, and every time it dies to scream at your enemies minds back in the cell as you emerge from the clone that "I am a deity, you fool! I have all of eternity to extract my vengeance!" as you deploy another Simulacrum. Maybe spruce up your foggy domain a little bit with various spells or just brood endlessly without eating, drinking, sleeping or eating like mystery deities are prone to do.
Why the Mirror though?
"Creatures trapped in the mirror’s cells don’t age, and they don’t need to eat, drink, or sleep.", which as far as I know is only otherwise possible in the unprotected Astral Sea, and sure, you can make your Clone a younger version too for immortality at least ( Although it would still need to eat, drink and sleep ), but those other attributes and the infinite plane are the closest thing to divinity. Also nifty way of getting out of a warded demiplane due to being in the same plane but not in the range of the Sanctum spell, yet in a sequestered extradimensional space that nothing knows about nor could theoretically be accessed from anywhere except by looking at the mirror.
Why Simulacrum if you're already safeguarded with Clone?
When you're a deity, you're dealing with a whole scale of different threats, and trust me, you don't want your enemies to have access to your true remains or moreso, your true form. Believe me, you don't want an enemy to trap you in some Silenced or Anti-Magic zone and also preventing you from killing yourself, such that you can never escape. Bad. Really bad. A Simulacrum on the other hand can't be put in any anti-magic zones without being dispelled itself ( A disadvantage as well to be sure, so bring a lot of counterspells ), you have stipulations for any other attempt to trap it while your soul is within, and no remains are left when it hits 0 hit points as it turns to snow and melts instantly.
So you basically have the same Discorporation trait as Tiamat except better since that dumb bitch can be trapped with Planar Binding and then can't escape, but you always can. If you're feeling confident though, want to save costs, and really don't like having Dispel Magic or Antimagic Field cast on you, you can always ditch the Simulacrum in favor of just banishing yourself from the cell, while the Clone awaits there.
Who has so much time?
Someone who's planning on being a deity for all eternity, apparently.
Are spellcasters really OP?
Nah, martials are just as powerful. I mean, it's just nigh deity-hood, nothing special.