9th level slot Multiclass Wizard

[Senjou]

Hello, I was wondering:
If you multiclass you may lose the chances to have a 9th level spell, even if you have a slot for it, because you cannot learn any spell with most of the classes. But what about the wizard? Can he write a 9th level spell in his spell book and use it?

[djreynolds]

No, but he/she could upcast any spell

[DeTess]

If the wizard has a 9th level spell slot, he should be able to write and use the spell. I don't see how you're going to get 9th level spell slots without also getting the opportunity to learn a 9th level spell though.

[djreynolds]

If the wizard has a 9th level spell slot, he should be able to write and use the spell. I don't see how you're going to get 9th level spell slots without also getting the opportunity to learn a 9th level spell though.

A 16wizard/ 1 cleric might have a 9th level spell slot but no 9th level spell known/learned and until you get another level of wizard.

Only a 17th level wizard will have a 9th level spell, until then just upcast another spell

[Sariel Vailo]

Official mc wizard gets 9th level

[Lombra]

If the wizard has a 9th level spell slot, he should be able to write and use the spell. I don't see how you're going to get 9th level spell slots without also getting the opportunity to learn a 9th level spell though.

Wizard 16/any other caster 4 for example.

Edit: shadowmonk'd

[Drackolus]

I'm assuming it's multiclassing you're talking about, so - as it says in multiclassing;
"You determine what spells you know and can prepare for each class individually, as if you were a single-classed member of that class."
That, I think, prevemts you from learning higher level spells. Even if it doesn't, it does prevent you from preparing it.
But if you can learn them, even if you can't prepare them, you should be able to ritual cast them, making a 1-level wizard dip function like ritual caster: wizard.

[qube]

the way I interprete it:


taking 16 levels of cleric, and then 4 levels of another spellcaster

You prepare the list of cleric spells that are available for you to cast, choosing from the cleric spell list. When you do so, choose a number of cleric spells equal to your Wisdom modifier + your cleric level (minimum of one spell). The spells must be of a level for which you have spell slots.

All you need is a long rest to You can prepare a lvl 9 cleric spell - as you have a 9th level spellslot
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taking 16 levels of wizard, and then 4 levels of another spellcaster

Each time you gain a wizard level, you can add two wizard spells of your choice to your spellbook for free. Each of these spells must be of a level for which you have spell slots, as shown on the Wizard table.

The first sentence will not apply during lvl 17-20, so the only way to get 9th level spells is the second sentence
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taking 16 levels of sorcerer, and then 4 levels of another spellcaster

Additionally, when you gain a level in this class, you can choose one of the sorcerer spells you know and replace it with another spell from the sorcerer spell list, which also must be of a level for which you have spell slots.

As, beyond lvl 16, you don't take sorcerer levels, you can't exchange them anymore.

[Vaz]

You determine what spells you know and can prepare for each classindividually, as if you were a single.classed member of that class.

So, in other words, no.

[Finger6842]

A 16wizard/ 1 cleric might have a 9th level spell slot but no 9th level spell known/learned and until you get another level of wizard.

Only a 17th level wizard will have a 9th level spell, until then just upcast another spell

This is the correct answer.

[Byke]

If the wizard has a 9th level spell slot, he should be able to write and use the spell. I don't see how you're going to get 9th level spell slots without also getting the opportunity to learn a 9th level spell though.


An extreme example would be Wiz 1 / Cleric 19, it would be broken, highest level spell cast is based on individual level as has already been stated in other posts.

[tieren]

the way I interprete it:


taking 16 levels of cleric, and then 4 levels of another spellcaster

You prepare the list of cleric spells that are available for you to cast, choosing from the cleric spell list. When you do so, choose a number of cleric spells equal to your Wisdom modifier + your cleric level (minimum of one spell). The spells must be of a level for which you have spell slots.

All you need is a long rest to You can prepare a lvl 9 cleric spell - as you have a 9th level spellslot
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taking 16 levels of wizard, and then 4 levels of another spellcaster

Each time you gain a wizard level, you can add two wizard spells of your choice to your spellbook for free. Each of these spells must be of a level for which you have spell slots, as shown on the Wizard table.

The first sentence will not apply during lvl 17-20, so the only way to get 9th level spells is the second sentence
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taking 16 levels of sorcerer, and then 4 levels of another spellcaster

Additionally, when you gain a level in this class, you can choose one of the sorcerer spells you know and replace it with another spell from the sorcerer spell list, which also must be of a level for which you have spell slots.

As, beyond lvl 16, you don't take sorcerer levels, you can't exchange them anymore.

You are approaching this wrong. For the analysis as to what you can learn and prepare you look only at the single class tables.

A level 16 cleric does NOT have 9th level slots so can't learn 9th level spells. It doesn't matter that you actually have 9th level slots on the MC spell progression table for this purpose.

[Sariel Vailo]

But wasnt the op origional question about having a slot not a high level 9th level spell.also what about the part in the phb about multiclassing into or out of spell casters.or how a wizard can learn a new spell by writing it down by this logic just give them scrolls or other more powerful wizard books to copy out of.

[Rysto]

You may only copy spells into your spellbook that are of a level you can prepare. So a Wizard 16, Cleric 1 cannot copy a level 9 spell into his spellbook because he cannot prepare 9th-level spells.

[Vaz]

But wasnt the op origional question about having a slot not a high level 9th level spell.also what about the part in the phb about multiclassing into or out of spell casters.or how a wizard can learn a new spell by writing it down by this logic just give them scrolls or other more powerful wizard books to copy out of.

No. If you read the OP, it says what the OP says.

Crazy, hey?

[Sariel Vailo]

On reading the wizard section they can copy any wizard spell down of any level down in their spell book it just takes money and time. Just try to increase your spell casting atribute to twenty or higher for the preparing spells known.they can still learn the spells they would need time money. But in the end would they have to be a majority of levels in caster.14 as a caster or 17 to get a legitimate 9 th level spell for only one class or use the multiclass spellcaster spellslots per culmitive of both classes table like swordinger14 fighter ek 3 bard 3.
Looking at this table the character is already considered on the multiclass spellcaster table 17 as a bard and wizard combo for ek its only gona bumb ya one so 18 on the Multiclass Spellcaster.table. yes they cant get free 9th level wizard spells anymore and for cleric zero 9th level spells at all but they do get the slots.but thats in making the Eldritch Blade Dancer.

[Rysto]

On reading the wizard section they can copy any wizard spell down of any level down in their spell book it just takes money and time.

Er, not quite.


When you find a wizard spell of 1st level or higher, you can add it to your spellbook if it is of a spell level you can prepare and if you can spare the time to decipher and copy it.
(bolding mine)

[Sariel Vailo]

Spell level being debated by slot or factual class levels.
For in any case many dms even in al have debated wgat to do on this.even people who used to play Ad and d.
As i hope th op is reading it comes down to the almighty not raw but rai if the op doesnt know
RAw=rules as written Rai=rules as intended or interpreted. Difrent people see difrent things but the dm has final say for the rai.

[bid]

All you need is a long rest to You can prepare a lvl 9 cleric spell - as you have a 9th level spellslot
Nope.

p164, Spell Known and Prepared.

[Matrix_Walker]

Note that if your table allows UA multiclassing, the level 14 ability of the Lore Master Wizard solves this problem nicely...